Obama vows: Only I will deliver the nightmarish amnesty America neither wants nor needs
posted at 2:53 pm on September 11, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Speaking before the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute Gala, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., blasted Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., for not including comprehensive immigration reform in his party’s platform.
“And when it came time to write his party’s platform, comprehensive reform never made it in,” Obama said before the institution’s annual gala in Washington, D.C. “So, you’ve got to ask yourself: if Sen. McCain won’t stand up to opponents of reform at his own convention, how can you trust him to stand up for change in Washington?”…
“When he was running for his party’s nomination, he abandoned his stance, and said he wouldn’t even support his own legislation if it came up for a vote,” Obama said to the audience. “Well, I don’t know about you, but I think it’s time for a president who won’t walk away from comprehensive immigration reform when it becomes politically unpopular.”
Note how careful he is to stress that McCain only “abandoned” his stance (which he never quite did) during the primaries. Quite so; with the start of the general election, he was back onboard the amnesty bandwagon. Man, was he ever. Fully 69% of the public wants the borders secured before we turn to the important business of amnestizing tens of millions of violations of American immigration law — up from 63% in June, do note — but darned if both our candidates don’t have their hearts set on a comprehensive solution. The key difference between them, apparently? McCain will at least pay lip service to taking care of the borders first.
Awfully unsporting of Barry to knock him over the GOP’s platform, though. Doubtless it was only through Team Maverick’s intervention that a statement of opposition to comprehensive reform was omitted. Exit question one: Is Kaus right? A 50% chance of amnesty under McCain versus a 20% chance under Obama? And exit question two: What’s going to happen when Charlie Gibson asks Palin how she feels about amnesty and she looks in the camera and starts mouthing the old, stomach-churning Maverick-ian platitudes about what it means to be a “true friend” to Hispanics? Second look at Fred!
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Second look at ANYBODY, SOMEBODY.
xyzzy on September 11, 2008 at 2:55 PM
I, at this point, expect a fight – a big one – with either President over Amnesty. Palin’s stance on it, right now, to me, is totally irrelevent.
tickleddragon on September 11, 2008 at 2:56 PM
BO has finally found something he can be unequivocal about.
forest on September 11, 2008 at 2:56 PM
“You had me at hello” – LMAO
BuckNutty on September 11, 2008 at 2:56 PM
SECURE
THE
BORDER
pwetty pweeze?
Mr. Bingley on September 11, 2008 at 2:57 PM
McCain could cement the Election, by stateing that he will Veto ANY Amnesty in his first term… and then promise to push it in his second. If he said we need that much time to secure the borders due to National Security reasons, Hispanics would not balk…
This will give the American people time to secure the border, and then THAT election would be a referendum on immigration… when hopefully we have less International issues to deal with…
Romeo13 on September 11, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Don’t ignore the fact that Obama took absolutely NO PART in the massive complete comprehensive immigration reform bill that McCain almost succeeded in having passed into legislation.
Obama the weenie pirate. No effort at work. Stick-ups after hours. Obama’s pay scale: unemployed thug.
maverick muse on September 11, 2008 at 2:58 PM
Well, with amnesty and either of the two candidates, get ready for a patented Laura Ingraham “POWER TO THE PEOPLE” moment, because that’s what it’s going to take.
Matticus Finch on September 11, 2008 at 2:59 PM
Huh. Seems I read somewhere just this morning that Obama was a radical on illegals, and Kaus was nuts.
Jaibones on September 11, 2008 at 2:59 PM
Did you watch the Oreilly interview with O, how he quickly shied away from the comment about the illegals were dragging us down.
reshas1 on September 11, 2008 at 2:59 PM
Um, how is this a winner for Barry?
All McCain has to say is that he supports a secure border first; and that 70% of americans agree.
lorien1973 on September 11, 2008 at 2:59 PM
Why are so many conservatives (Mark Krikorian at NRO is a huge offender) so eager to undermine the McCain-Palin chances by trying to make immigration a big issue in the presidential campaign when thusfar it has not been?
People, the world isn’t perfect. McCain is not your ideal candidate in every respect. And there will be plenty of time for a public uproar if the comprehensive reform comes before the border is secured.
But, please, let’s have that particular debate after election day.
JudetheFossil on September 11, 2008 at 2:59 PM
IOW – vote for me and I will guarantee open borders and cement the primacy of the Democrat party for all time.
McCain needs to get off the amnesty bus, now.
DerKrieger on September 11, 2008 at 2:59 PM
69% of the nation is racist bigots? Heartache.
Ironically, McCain’s stance might help him in the general, but I think it’s so far down the list now it won’t shift any voters.
She disagrees with Mac on various points and hasn’t been afraid to state them (drilling most prominently). If she actually has a defined opinion, there’s no particular reason to think she would say something different then Cheney on this, ie, I will support the position of the ticket. That’s a good answer.
Spirit of 1776 on September 11, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Good news – I was afraid Bambi would suddenly take the Tancredo stance and beat McCain to death with it, since that probably would have worked.
But I guess Barry wants to make sure he gets 100% of all illegal immigrant votes instead of 98.8%.
Hey, John – you don’t need Juan Hernandez anymore. Time to save your campaign some money and dump him.
fiatboomer on September 11, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Out of curiosity, when Obama addressed the Hispanic Gala audience, did he feign a Hispanic accent?
maverick muse on September 11, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Agreed. Help McCain win and then deal with the issue.
DerKrieger on September 11, 2008 at 3:01 PM
I am a Latina and I want the border secure!
Obama is a panderer and an idiot.
jencab on September 11, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Ya know, those bitter clingers with their guns and bibles ain’t for amnesty. This is a losing issue for you Barry…but please feel free to continue.
Agent of the Cross on September 11, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Allah, go grab some Tums dude.
Why so pessimistic?
TheHat on September 11, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Honestly, think about it, Obama is being a genius right here. The Republican party is united behind a McCain-Palin ticket for the most part (more so than the Democratic party over their ticket). What is the best way to create division within the Republican party? Make McCain talk about immigration reform. Brilliant! That sneaky sneaky man.
DanStark on September 11, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Our current policy is amnesty. I’d say the odds of that policy continuing under either candidate is, conservatively, 100%.
RightOFLeft on September 11, 2008 at 3:04 PM
The Dems will never give up on amnesty because they see it as their ticket to perpetual power by diluting the white vote. It is the white vote after all that keeps the Dems out of the WH year after year. Even with 95% of the black vote Obama still might lose. What they need is more non-whites, especially Latinos who come from semi-socialist cultures and are accustomed to and expect big government solutions.
If only the WSJ types could understand the long term threat to business by supporting amnesty and uncontrolled immigration.
DerKrieger on September 11, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Mickey Kuas’s head just exploded.
Topsecretk9 on September 11, 2008 at 3:06 PM
yes Obama that’s what Americans want. amnesty across the board.
to bad illegals don’t get to vote……legally .
How many illegals have acorn registered????
Mojack420 on September 11, 2008 at 3:06 PM
I dunno… it would certainly hurt him in the boarder states. I live in TX and a new local city council person brought up the idea of checking I-9 documentation for all city contracted workers. It EXPLODED all of a sudden, every reporter and nut in the state descended on my town and boycotts sprung up everywhere. The city council quickly swept the issue under the rug by deciding that current contract language was sufficient (which essentially says that it’s the employer’s problem).
Texas is a gimme for McCain, but NM and CO are not looking good and could be the lynch pin for this election.
Obama was pretty slick in opening this can of worms by pushing it onto McCain without talking about his own policies. It’s weak ground for McCain, who can’t really respond without hurting himself.
I don’t like it, but it’s the best ju jitsu Obama has managed so far.
Damiano on September 11, 2008 at 3:06 PM
We have to accept that McCain is misguided about illegal immigration. I doubt the VP would affect that. McCain is from a state that is intimately familiar with immigration problems, but he still doesn’t get it. I doubt any set of intellectual arguments, whether they be delivered by Fred or someone else, would be able to change McCain’s mind.
I do think there is hope, however. McCain has reconsidered his positions on drilling in response to the popular “uprising” of regular Americans who are sick of Congress doing nothing while gas prices climb. I think a similar uprising will occur on immigration as sanctuary cities continue to protect illegals who commit horrendous crimes on our citizens and the costs to taxpayers in places like California continue to escalate. When Americans make it clear that they are fed up, McCain will come around.
Y-not on September 11, 2008 at 3:07 PM
He knows he has to pitch the Hispanics harder now, since he lost the white woman vote.
Patrick S on September 11, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Make this pitch the cornerstone of your campaign Barry….be sure to blitz it to your union guys and blue collar workers…..they’ll love it.
Come home blue ogs, come hme….we’ll at least Fight John.
sven10077 on September 11, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Wasn’t it just earlier this week that they announced higher than expected unemployment? And now we’re going to insist on adding MORE people to the job queue?
Am I the only one who sees a problem here?
darury on September 11, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Good point. Obama has a depressing history of leeching off others’ successes. His attempt to weasel himself into the immigration bill he had no part in and denigrate McCain’s part in pushing it and almost getting it passed (which thank God he didn’t succeed, but..) is really illuminating.
The arrogance is breathtaking.
amkun on September 11, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Allah you seriously want to be smacked. You have Google. Freaking Look into Palin Vrs Illegal Aliens… UGH! You are frustrating today!
upinak on September 11, 2008 at 3:09 PM
“As Vice President, I will support the position of our President.”
All those nay-sayers can chew on “as VP” when they contemplate their own ill will towards McCain.
Should they be so obtuse as to infer ill health upon McCain, Palin need only respond that McCain’s health may well out perform the journalists’ personal health conditions.
More than anything, I LOOK FORWARD to the day when there is a most effective non-response to squash ill meant questions. Silent treatment only works on civilized minds, not abusive radicals.
Palin’s effective messaging is her talent and sword in media battle. She knows herself. And she knows her world, the world that radicals thought they already smothered. My world.
maverick muse on September 11, 2008 at 3:09 PM
When President Obama proposes citizenship for illegals the GOP will fight against it. When President McCain propose citizenship for illegals the GOP will fight FOR it.
When 20+ million illegals get citizenship, the socialist votes of the new citizens will overwhelm the votes of the conservatives, probably forever.
Obama is worse than McCain on most issues, but McCain is the worst on the most important issue: voter demographics.
Oppose McCain! (no matter how great Palin is)
Thresher on September 11, 2008 at 3:10 PM
What that you say, Obama? McCain is backing off comprehensive immigration reform? That’s great news! He just earned my vote!
poljunkie on September 11, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Well gee Allah do you think that Kaus is still pushing the bullshit that it was Ann Coulter he was duking it out with? Do you think that Kaus is going to vote for Obama?
There is no doubt that we are going to have a big fight with McCain about amnesty. So what? We are going to have a bigger fight with Obama about virtually everything else. Yet some on the right cannot seem but to still throw the snark around.
Obama has hidden and lied about virtually everything he has ever done and we have fools like Kaus saying that Obama and McCain are equals? Is he smoking crack? Or just funning me?
PierreLegrand on September 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM
as is the BO aroma:
dead skunk in the middle of the road
stinkin’ to high heaven.
C’mon, stink!
maverick muse on September 11, 2008 at 3:13 PM
That’s great to hear!
Y-not on September 11, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Unconfirmed.
Spirit of 1776 on September 11, 2008 at 3:13 PM
McCain would do well to pit the open borders partisans against the environmentalists.
He could say something about the number of new power plants and refineries required to supoprt a growing populaiton. He could mention how much water would be required, how much “pristine” land would have to be bulldozed. paved, built over, and he could point out how much more CO2 all these people would be responsible for creating. How will we ever meet our emissions targets with more people?
DerKrieger on September 11, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Obama thinks that we republicans are stupid. We know where McCain stands on immigration and we will cross that bridge when we get there.
If he thinks this will cut votes away from McCain he is sorely mistaken.
jencab on September 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Don’t let the fact that Denver is a Sanctuary city fool ya… I live in Colorado and border security and immigration is a big deal here…
We just had another incident where an Illegal who had been arrested 15 times killed 3 people, including a 3 year old, in a Car wreck… the anger is simmering, but it is there.
Key is that McCain could have his cake, and eat it to, by telling Open border types that he’s for Amnesty, but this is just not the time to do it.
Romeo13 on September 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Good comment. (not just the “”‘d part)
Spirit of 1776 on September 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Barry-O doesn’t have the experience or the balls to deliver a pizza, much less any sort of reform or change.
AubieJon on September 11, 2008 at 3:15 PM
This could be an opportunity for McCain, if he sticks to his “secure the borders first” mantra.
Steve Schmidt, we need you to keep McCain on message about securing the borders first …
thirteen28 on September 11, 2008 at 3:15 PM
This coming from the man who said HE WILL REVERSE THE FENCE POLICY?!..(pppssst, even after AMERICANS flooded the phone lines saying NOOOOOOO)…See I was right, obamatheliar does want to sell out America…also..”Barack Obama is bringing his support of driver’s licenses for Illegals” remember that one? This one,”I will not support any bill that does not provide this earned path to citizenship for the undocumented population…” Obama, April 3, 2006…remember that one? Am I the only one who takes notes?….: o )
christene on September 11, 2008 at 3:15 PM
Yes! YES!! Take this issue as your own, Obama. Own it! Run with it! DO IT!
S. Weasel on September 11, 2008 at 3:15 PM
Touché
!
maverick muse on September 11, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Irony alert: Obama actually cast a deciding vote on the Dorgan amendments (sunsetting the guest-worker program) that effectively killed the McCain-Kennedy bill.
Obama will side with Big Labor over amnesty.
Karl on September 11, 2008 at 3:16 PM
If you didn’t watch any of the convention speeches, or the “great pander” at saddleback, then will you also not watch this Palin interview as well, and have to go on guessing and making answers up before she has had any opportunity to actually give an answer? I’m pessimistic of your abilities to accurately prognosticate what her answer is going to be, oh great nostradamus.
wise_man on September 11, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Here Allah… Opperation Jump Start via the Air National Guard of Alaska, sent by Gov. Palin to Mexico to start builing a wall.
http://www.176wg.ang.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/080227-F-1735C-176.JPG
http://www.176wg.ang.af.mil/
Give it up please, you thinking that Palin is a McCain bot is really getting annoying.
upinak on September 11, 2008 at 3:16 PM
When President McCain propose citizenship for illegals the GOP will fight FOR it.
And we stopped 3 attempts by a Republican President and his allies. Get a grip. We stopped him when he had a Republican Congress and we stopped him when he didn’t. Jesus has everyone gone absolutely insane? We are seriously talking about allowing Obama to win? Some of you geniuses think that is a good idea?
PierreLegrand on September 11, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Keep it up. You’re an asset.
Spirit of 1776 on September 11, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Interesting idea, but the problem with this is it plays into the zero population growth NARAL & Planned Parenthood crowd.
The border issue is national security issue – both military and economic. I’m in California, so I may be more tuned into this, but it is clearly killing this state’s economy.
Y-not on September 11, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Spirit of 1776, danke schön.
maverick muse on September 11, 2008 at 3:18 PM
PierreLegrand,
We barely beat the last amnesty attempt. We can’t blithely assume we can do it again. Voter demographics is more important than any other issue.
Oppose McCain! (no matter how great Palin is.)
Thresher on September 11, 2008 at 3:18 PM
I have freaking had is Spirit. Allah knows how to use google… the man isn’t dumb! But WTF is the deal? I don’t get it.
upinak on September 11, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Sure the majority of illegals are from Latin America, but this is about all illegal immigrants from everywhere. This is a national security issue. I don’t get what Obama and McCain don’t get about that?
Several hundred thousand people of Arab descent over the last 5 yrs. have been caught coming thru our southern border. Those are just what have been caught! This is not an issue about hispanics or latinos, for God sake.
I’m of Irish descent. I remember going to the beach on the east coast every summer and about every 5th person who watied on me in a restaurant or store had an Irish accent. Alot of these kids didn’t go back. They have continually overstayed their work visas. I don’t have any sympathy for them either.
This is not about bigotry. Kick all their *sses out! Sheesh!
JAM on September 11, 2008 at 3:19 PM
Yes. Some of them, absolutely. And here I thought this brilliant strategy would die down when McCain formally became the republican nominee and picked Palin.
Not to worry too much. As Cheney said, they are just ‘dead-enders.’ And the surge of votes on November will be their great awakening.
wise_man on September 11, 2008 at 3:20 PM
Tick, tick, tick. The inevitable moment Barack “Desperate Barry” Obama replaces Biden with Clinton is now 35 hours and counting.
miles on September 11, 2008 at 3:21 PM
I don’t know… maybe because he’s actually done it before?
taznar on September 11, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Yeah, just talked to my Mom out there in Cali… interesting that the Budget standoff is getting NO media attention… while Medicaid bills are not being paid to the hospitals… so no one is paying for the Medical benefits for the poor at all…
Hospitals are going to start going under soon… but its so much more important to worry about Palin’s kids pregnancy.
Romeo13 on September 11, 2008 at 3:24 PM
The other side of this is the refugee issue. Refeuee Resettlement Watch blog (can’t link from work) keeps a close eye on this. Catholilc Charities is responsible for nearly all the resettlement of the Muslim Somalis. Remember the taxi driver, Target pork handler, and Flying Imams issues? All Somalis. All probably brought here by CC. We need to kill the refugee resettlement programs. CC et al make money on each refugee they resettle so they have a lot of incentive to keep importing them.
DerKrieger on September 11, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Thresher on September 11, 2008 at 3:18 PM
You have to be a Moby…no one on the right can really be that crazy to allow a closet Marxist into the Oval office instead of an American Hero. And if anyone thinks that I love Amnesty think again. But the war is more important.
McCain will increase defense spending.
Obama will decrease defense spending.
McCain will fight till the enemy is gone or surrenders.
Obama will talk until bitchslapped into silence by one of our cities going up in a nuclear fireball.
McCain will cut spending.
Obama will vastly increase all spending EXCEPT defense.
McCain will cut taxes.
Obama will increase taxes.
People who think that its 6 of one half dozen of the other should stop having children…and start running around with scissors.
PierreLegrand on September 11, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Just got this action alert from NumbersUSA:
Are Pelosi’s allies chickening out on their 550,000 job giveaway?
. . . The House Judiciary Committee has found excuses to put off this awful visa increase till next week
–we can still beat it!
JAM on September 11, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Eh, well just have to take the bad with the good. I think many people don’t understand her or the connection she’s made with the people (as evidenced by Ed also who warns of Obama-like responses). My own opinion is that not experiencing that connection, perhaps due to regional influences, I don’t know, but the expectation is that the unknown will be ‘typical politician’. Her fans expect her to be typical American, not typical politician, so the expectations are completely different. Creates faulty assumptions. Just my guess.
Spirit of 1776 on September 11, 2008 at 3:27 PM
i will take 2 tacos and a coke, and throw me a burrito for the pitbull. gracias
custer on September 11, 2008 at 3:27 PM
huh, interesting.
upinak on September 11, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Why do you assume Palin will be weak on immigration? Do you have any evidence, almighty Allah?
t.ferg on September 11, 2008 at 3:27 PM
True. Also, many are giving the President too much credit. He can propose ideas to Congress and holds veto power, but if the Democrats are still holding the committee chairs after November, it really doesn’t matter what stance McCain has on immigration.
m064404 on September 11, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Your state is seriously starting to worry me. I’ve been watching some local sites and papers and, man, it does not look good for McCain there.
If McCain get’s in the White House, I am betting that comprehensive immigration policy will follow. Boarders first, then start digging into the rest of it.
This is a no-win issue for either party though. Obama bringing it up was clever, since he directed the whole discussion at the absence in the RNC platform without discussing his policies. It’s all pander without much potential for backlash.
McCain’s camp needs to get some smart people on this issue.
Damiano on September 11, 2008 at 3:27 PM
The difference is that with Obama shamnesty is probably mostly political, with Juan McCain it is at the very core of his being. Also Republicans would stand up to a democrat shamnesty pushing President, but to a fellow Republican shamnesty pushing President, not so much.
MB4 on September 11, 2008 at 3:28 PM
A President McCain would secure the border.
Once half of Mexico’s population is in the United States and either made legal citizens or legal z-visa serfs.
MB4 on September 11, 2008 at 3:31 PM
I live in the Burbs of Denver… and whats interesting is that I see less Obama bumper stickers out here than I see bumper stickers from OLD DEM candidates…
Press and Local Denver Gov is in the tank for the Dems, but I think Colorado is going to suprise some “pundits” this election.
Romeo13 on September 11, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Yep, I agree. First, he was pushing the Eagleton meme about Sarah. Now this. He can hide behind the “pessimism, it’s my shtick!” routine but it’s really just tiresome.
amkun on September 11, 2008 at 3:31 PM
All I freaking see are Obama signs and stickers. Trade me!
upinak on September 11, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Unless there’s some big wave of pro-amnesty Congresspeople voted into office this fall, neither Obama nor McCain is likely to get an amnesty bill passed by the House.
AZCoyote on September 11, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Reporter: Senator McCain, is it true that if you become President you will put a real fence along the border with Mexico rather than just some phony so called “virtual fence”? And a follow up question sir, if so what will the physical fence look like?
John McCain: That is a very good question and yes when I become el Presidente I will put up a physical fence. What will it look like? Well it will run the full length of the border and have special security gates every 100 feet.
All the security gates will have on them:
1) Press one for Spanish (with a response of “Welcome Amigos and God’s children, my country is your country and please take a free map to the wonderful plantation owner employer of your choice. Also please feel free to enroll you children in our schools and demand that they be taught in Spanish and please also feel free to avail yourself of all the free medical care that you want. If there are any Gringos in line in front of you, just go to the head of the line. If you want to fly any Mexican flags plese feel free to just take down an American one and use it’s flag pole”).
2) Press two for English (with a response of “#uck you! I know more than any of you damned bigoted nativist lazy madre fornicario gringos who do not want what is right for
my plantation owning campaign contributorsAmerica del Norte!!!”).MB4 on September 11, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Amnesty has to be won/lost at the legislative level. Local representatives/senators have to hear from their constituencies at a grass roots level. This is how it was turned back last year. It was stopped with Bush supporting it.
McCain’s stance is irrelevant if the Senate has enough votes to stop it.
jerseyman on September 11, 2008 at 3:38 PM
I think it’s more like don’t ask don’t tell.
JiangxiDad on September 11, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Why are you censoring me Allah?
PierreLegrand on September 11, 2008 at 3:43 PM
So some of you are actually ok with Obama winning? That is incredible.
McCain will cut earmarks.
Obama love them.
McCain will increase Defense Spending
Obama will lower it.
McCain will take the war against the Islamic Nutjobs to them till they are dead or surrender.
Obama will talk to our enemies until he is bitchslapped into silence by a nuclear fireball erupting over one of our cities.
McCain will nominate judges that don’t legislate from the bench.
Obama cannot wait to change the laws from the bench.
McCain has been straightforward on all of his positions and his beliefs.
Obama has lied about virtually everthing in his life.
PierreLegrand on September 11, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Just make sure that Colorado and Nevada require legal ID before voting and we can talk to President McCain about this next year.
Rovin on September 11, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Thanks for the links. It unusual to agree on every point, and they seem to disagree on such things as illegal immigration, and ANWR. I wonder if it’s not just best for Palin to say, when asked, that she and McCain don’t fully see eye-to-eye on everything, but have enough in common to complement each other wonderfully. That’s what I’d say anyway, and I suspect is very close to the truth.
JiangxiDad on September 11, 2008 at 3:47 PM
If McCain loses and Obama is dumb enough to put an amnesty bill before congress, which Republican senator is most likely to form a gang and hammer it through despite the objections of his own party?
Valiant on September 11, 2008 at 3:48 PM
I’m sure alot of you are already familiar w/NumbersUSA.com.
They are as grassroots as it gets and they give you all the info. and fax all your congresspeople and Senators for free on your behalf. Just fill in the fax w/whatever you want to say. They have many versions to choose from. Great organization.
I get immigration action alerts from them several times a week. Not too many emails, just the main items that need to be addressed at the legislative level.
JAM on September 11, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Especially since it is effectively a reform ticket now.
Spirit of 1776 on September 11, 2008 at 3:52 PM
you know who’s got evidence in spades? Why our very own MB4 and Valiant. Don’t believe them? Just ask them. They will recount many old stories and irrelevant factoids and kos worthy talking points as to how McCain and now Palin will bring about our complete destruction – so better vote Obama, if you know what’s good for you!!!
wise_man on September 11, 2008 at 3:53 PM
I think it’s a smart tactic for Obama. Every time McCain opens his mouth about amnesty it’s like pouring cold water on his base, and that’s just what Obama wants. He knows that many in his base feel the same way, but McCain has a similar position on the issue, so they can’t flop candidates.
Obama wants to reverse the Palin awakening, of conservatives, and this could work. McCain has little room to maneuver on this issue, as we have seen on these comments, almost anything he says about immigration results in a massive conservative groan. Will McCain take the bait and douse the conservative excitement generated by Palin, or will he pander to the base? If he does pander will it result in even greater conservative interest?
DFCtomm on September 11, 2008 at 3:55 PM
The change from McCain has been to acknowledge to Americans he gets the message on building the fence first. He has not to my knowledge changed his stance on amnesty other than committing to building the fence first. All this does is demonstrate how McCain is a Maverick, does buck his party and this only brings to mind the question of when has Obama in his 97% voting record bucked the DNC? If you begin seriously looking at the possible deviance from the DNC all you will discover is that yes, B. Hussein Obama did deviate from his party by going more to the Left than the majority of the Democrats in flyover America. I find it hard to believe most flyover Dems believe in infanticide, educating 5 year olds in sex education and higher taxes plus straight amnesty. So, Obama by bringing this up does not hurt McCain, but instead once again shoots himself in the foot. While 70% of Americans do not approve of amnesty, or the McCain-Kennedy bill, we do get the dangers Obama proposes for this country that go well beyond amnesty. Agreeing with Putin most of the time comes to mind, Iran, Iraq, no drilling, higher taxes, radical friends near the White House, China, trade, religious freedoms, right to life, etc., etc. Obama is the total destruction plan not Palin being near the button as some want to infer.
freeus on September 11, 2008 at 3:56 PM
See? No evidence that “Shamnesty” is the very core of McCain’s being, but he’ll regurgitate this same bile that he always has and always will. Also, no evidence that republicans will roll over and play dead if McCain wants to destroy America, also as is MB4’s fantasy. I wonder if he’ll still be around here after the election.
As PierreLegrand pointed out:
So it makes you wonder who’s script MB4, Valiant and others are following. It just makes you wonder.
wise_man on September 11, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Not if he keeps our troops stuck in
LodiIraq with his Iraqi centric view of things.“The more McCain talks — about wicked “speculators,” about how he reveres ANWR as much as the Grand Canyon, about adjusting the planet’s thermostat, etc. — the more conservatives cling to judicial nominees as a reason for supporting him. But now another portion of his signature legislation has been repudiated by the court as an affront to the First Amendment, and again Roberts and Alito have joined the repudiation. Yet McCain promises to nominate jurists like them. Is that believable?”
- George Will
lol.
MB4 on September 11, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Palin can be “mavericky” in a different way. If she truly believes in border enforcement first then she can say so. She doesn’t have to be 100% in sync with McCain. In fact, she’ll earn more street cred if she sticks to her own beliefs.
CliffHanger on September 11, 2008 at 4:02 PM
Much of that time we had a Republican house and senate, and since most people calling it to protest an amnesty would be Republican. A Democrat Congress might be less inclined to listen to us, and more inclined to assume their democrat constituents would support an amnesty.
DFCtomm on September 11, 2008 at 4:04 PM
You do seem to wonder a lot in between calling names and wanting to get people who don’t agree with you banned, although you have cooled down on that lately, although not voluntarily. And all your wondering never seems to get you any place though, other than to make you more paranoid.
MB4 on September 11, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Good point. Kinda defuses AP’s concerns. Let’s hope McCain sees it the same way :)
JiangxiDad on September 11, 2008 at 4:11 PM
JudetheFossil on September 11, 2008 at 2:59 PM
It’s the self-defeating self-indulgence of “principles” too common on the Right in America. They see political activism as something merely to express their own particular agenda, rather than as a long-term, calculated effort to move society and the community in the direction they believe it should go. They want instant gratification, and when it’s not forthcoming, they complain, and do so in ways counter to what they say they want done.
For some, expressing the ideas is more important to many of them actually getting any of them implemented. Short-sighted at best, but in reality, self-indulgent. For some, it’s a sense of conscience (which is why the Left has less of a problem with this–they have no conscience), and they honestly believe they have to make such statements in order to be honest. Nevermind we all suffer as a result.
Their actions may make things worse, but they’re content with themselves. They think they’re doing the Lord’s work in crying aloud and sparing not, but the Lord will hold them accountable for the people and communities they hurt.
Tommygun on September 11, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Did you once incur VinyFoxy’s “wrath” on another web site per chance?
KentAllard on September 11, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Resisting culture changing levels of immigration is, in my mind, a conservative concern, so I don’t assume that people with that opinion are KOS plants, but you do. After the November election rolls past, and people like MB4 and Valiant are still here, are you going to apologize for calling them plants, or are you just going to say they’re damn good plants?
DFCtomm on September 11, 2008 at 4:17 PM
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