Impossible to say for sure but Ace makes a compelling case. Skip ahead to the last quarter of the video and you’ll find him exercised by the possibility that she thinks dinosaurs roamed the land 4,000 years ago:
Update: Seixon e-mails to point out another appearance of the 4,000-years smear — in Maureen Dowd’s last column.
CLINTON: I’ve got a little news flash for you, Annie Oakley. Dinosaurs disappeared a lot longer than 4,000 years ago. I admit you’ve had a profound influence on America, and I’m not just talking about all the women wearing up-dos and rimless titanium $375 Kazuo Kawasaki designer frames.
Anyone want to do a little Google sleuthing and see if they can track down which highly respected left-wing media source is pushing this? My money’s on dKos.
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Sarah Palin was to walk out to the singing of Angels, but convention organizers thought it might come off as showing off.
Sarah Palin’s suit is made from 100% dead liberal skin.
Sarah Palin prepped for this speech with a ritual sacrifice of Susan Estrich.
Sarah Palin has actually travelled backwards in time from after the roll call to accept the nomination retroactively.
Sarah Palin doesn’t actually have an accent, it’s distortion from her telepathic broadcast directly into your brain.
In 2003, the US considered deploying Sarah Palin to Iraq as a 1-woman commando squad, but wanted to make it a fair fight.
As head of Alaska’s Nat’l Guard, Sarah Palin taught troops in a training exercise to scare a grenade into not exploding.
Sarah Palin drives herself to work everyday – in an M1A1 tank
Sarah Palin believes in change, too. She takes it from your pockets after striking you dead.
Sarah Palin wears three quarter length sleeves to keep from getting blood on her clothes when she kills liberals.
I am a young earth creationist. Mainly I believe this by the geological column, but also because a plain reading of the Bible and an understanding of historical narratives verses Hebrew poetry (as well as ancient writings from Sumerian and the like), I think demand at least a look by each person individually rather than simply deferring to scientists who have already come to their conclusion before the question is asked (speaking here of philosophical naturalism). I am not here to debate the issue on this site though. I have blogged on this topic once:
You may contact me if you are serious about investigating this topic. I have well over 3,500 books in my home library (politics, history, science, philosophy, theology, religions, etc). I have debated via forums and private letters (via e-mail) professors, graduate students, and others. I am in seminary getting a master of arts in theology with an emphasis in apologetics, a father of two teenage boys, blue-collar worker, and husband. In other words, I am busy, so I will be more than happy to respond to serious queries.
This is unreal. Below are some actual quotes by Governor Palin during a series of interviews by the Anchorage Daily News in 2006 when she was running for Governor…
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On oil exploration and drilling in the ANWR:
God made dinosaurs 4,000 years ago as ultimately flawed creatures, lizards of Satan really, so when they died and became petroleum products we, made in his perfect image, could use them in our pickup trucks, snow machines and fishing boats.
Did you? The bogus voiceover isn’t even synced with the speakers’ lips. And why on Earth would Ron Reagan be talking about paleontology?
Matt Damon wouldn’t even be convinced.
Cicero43 on September 11, 2008 at 7:23 PM
Well your ability to distinguish fake video is not so good because its real. Here’s the same story on the MSNBC website. Oh, I know, I faked the website…. right?
Snopes cleared it up: it originated in an August 30th blog and either someone lacking a sense of humor forwarded the quotes on as accurate or it was someone who would make Donald Segreti proud.
There used to be a small spot in the back of the A section our local newspaper where they would put a picture of a celebrity with a recent quote of them. I asked someone who worked at the paper why they bothered, using up that space saying, “Every quote makes it sound like they are all idiots.”
My friend said, “So you do know why we put them in there.”
Most often celebrities are covered for our interest and amusement, but sometimes it is as a reminder that they’re only celebrities and there’s a reason we shouldn’t take them seriously.
I take this interview as mostly the latter with just a pinch of the former, but I still prefer to see the monkeys in the zoo or the clowns at the circus.
Exit question: Given her devotion and the fact that many Americans buy into this general timeline, is it wise to get too outrageously outraged here?
Erroneous. First of all, it’s most Americans, not just many Americans. Secondly, the timeline doesn’t say anything about 4,000 years… it’s 6,000 years and possibly as much as 10,000. Noah’s flood is believed to have happened roughly 4,500 years ago though, which destroyed the dinosaurs… but no one alleges that they were created 500 years later. Clearly Damon read or heard about the parody, but believed it to be fact… otherwise we’re expected to believe that he, just by coincidence, pulled the same number out of his ass?
Well your ability to distinguish fake video is not so good because its real. Here’s the same story on the MSNBC website. Oh, I know, I faked the website…. right?
Oh, and news host talk about all kinds of things.
Maxx on September 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Maxx, if you want to believe that people and dinosaurs lived together, you’re welcome to it.
No Matt. A “really terrifying possibility” was having within a heartbeat of the presidency, a dope who thought he invented the Internet.
As for the nuclear football, your hero Bill Clinton once misplaced it – probably while checking out some babe’s legs.
Most atheists seem to think that if you believe in creation, you have to hold to the ~4,000 timeline espoused by what are known as “young-earth” creationists. There are many evangelicals, myself included, that believe in an old-earth timeline. That is, we believe that the universe really is billions of years old and that the dinos really were roaming millions of years ago.
I personally think that my young-earth brethren are misguided, but it’s not a make-or-break issue. We both believe that God actually created the joint.
Notably, I haven’t heard Palin ever state what she actually believed. I’m assuming she does believe in creation, given the oblique remark that she thought it was a fair discussion to have in schools (not taught!). I haven’t yet heard whether she subscribes to the 4,000-year timeline, though.
In addition to astronaut, janitor, CIA agent and jewel thief…Matt Demon is evidently a scientist too and has ended the debate about the age of the earth!
I must be missing something. I was under the impression that “Creationism” was the belief that however the world was made, it had God as it’s instigator. I am tired of hearing that “the human brain cannot grasp” the idea of how the universe was started or where the original scrap of material came from that was banged bigly. It seems simpler to me to acknowledge that God always existed, created time, and entered into it to create the universes.
But hey, that’s just me and what do I know in relation to such smart people.
Even in a water and/or oxygen free environment, background ionizing radiation will gradually erase DNA. The longest DNA could survive intact under the most ideal conditions is 50,000 years. (Lindahl, ‘Instability and Decay of the Primary Structure of DNA’; Nature #362 [1993])
That’s the oldest any recovered dinosaur DNA could feasably be. Sorry for blaspheming your religion.
Maxx, if you want to believe that people and dinosaurs lived together, you’re welcome to it.
Cicero43 on September 11, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Congratulations! You and Matt Daemon think exactly alike about this! You should be very proud of yourself.
Now make sure you disregard the fact that all cultures (on all seven continents) have numerous stories about DRAGONS living with man…..you wouldn’t want to lose your atheist intellectual superiority card.
The problem with believing the Earth is billions of years old of course, is that you have to also believe that God lied to us. He states the beginning with Adam and then gives us the age for the Patriarchs to the birth of Jesus. Doing the math it comes up to about 4,000 years from the beginning to the birth of Christ, so the Earth is about six-thousand years old.
And of course, there are many dating methods, in fact most dating methods that verify the Earth in not older than about ten thousand years. The only dating methods that indicate billions of year have to do with radiometric dating and these methods have been shown to be totally inaccurate. They are a joke really. For example, rocks of known age from Mt. Saint Helens have been tested and some come back with ages as much as 2.8 million years. Talk about being a “little” off. Radiometric/carbon 14 dating methods are totally devoid of any credibility.
Congratulations! You and Matt Daemon think exactly alike about this! You should be very proud of yourself.
Now make sure you disregard the fact that all cultures (on all seven continents) have numerous stories about DRAGONS living with man…..you wouldn’t want to lose your atheist intellectual superiority card.
I told Maxx he could believe anything he wants. Why so defensive? And does everyone who doesn’t take the Bible literally an atheist? Who has the closed mind here?
OMG. Pammy grew up just a few miles from me (she Ladysmith, me, Nanoose Bay) on Vancouver Island. After her grandparents recently died she inherited all kinds of pristine land and is now looking at developing it. Very upscale development. Not for the likes of yee and me. There goes the neighbourhood. Alot of locals are not impressed.
Could a Harvard grad be so stupid as to have read this and taken it at face value?
Harvard likes them stupid. It cuts down on the complaints about the asinine leftism that is pushed there.
The question of intelligence is better directed at those who worship a piece of Harvard sheepskin.
progressoverpeace on September 11, 2008 at 9:12 PM
When I was taking “exploring the Old Testament” in college, back in the 70’s, I remember the professor stating that it was possible, even likely, that the geneologies in the Bible were not all inclusive. That would indicate that the story of the primitive pair are a lot older than 4,000 years.
- Walker Texas Ranger never made a guest appearance in Alaska. Sarah Palin was already there.
– Sarah Palin was supposed to catch a chartered jet from Alaska to Ohio, but she just finished her morning run there instead.
– Sarah Palin is Chuck Norris’ stunt double.
– Sarah Palin’s parents moved to Alaska so she could be closer to her Fortress of Solitude (nobody recognizes her with her glasses on).
– Darth Sidious had to go to a galaxy far, far away because Sarah Palin was here protecting this one.
– Sarah Palin knows polar bears aren’t an endangered species because she hasn’t hunted them.
– Sarah Palin got Jack Bauer to tell her everything he knows.
– When the existence of Sarah Palin became public knowledge, Senator Obama was no longer the most popular politician in the world and Joe Biden admitted he wasn’t as qualified for the VP job for fear he’d have to face Palin in a debate.
Folks, Dinosaurs roam the earth to this day. They are called birds. The closest living thing to the mighty T-rex is the Chicken
jerryofva on September 11, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Well I’m a creationist so obviously I don’t buy into the dinosaurs to birds theory. But I would agree that dinosaurs might in fact still be around. Is this video real? Probably not, but then again…..
Imagine what kind of fun they would have had with Mitt’s Mormonism.
In creation, the chicken came first- not the egg. Things were created with inherent age. Adam and Eve were not babies in the hay, but fully functioning reproductive units. The rocks as part of the geological cycle were created to be millions of years old. It is not that hard to wrap your mind around it.
You’re nuts if you believe in young earth creationism. Let’s throw out all independent inquiry in favor of an ancient book full of scientific nonsense. Whatever.
Who is that blonde tranny in the second video ? Boy George ?
redrock on September 11, 2008 at 9:54 PM
That mess is the next generation of Joan Rivers.
She’s Joan Rivers if a high school sophomore boy invented her.
She’s a humanoid blow-up sex doll.
She’s gross and gooey.
I thought I read that Palin had a really reasonable stand on all this. She didn’t feel threatened by evolution being taught in schools and also thought it would be okay to discuss other possibilities including creationism if the discussion was student led.
I think that is fine. I basically don’t think it lessens anyone’s faith to be taught the current state of science. Science can and should be open always to new information. I think by pushing and pushign scientists with religous theories such as creationism pushes them into a corner. You invade their domain and they feel threaten by religon. And that actually makes it less likely they are able to keep the appropriate scientific distance. It makes the whole thing emotion driven.
I think if you want your kids to consider this other theory then teach it to them. Let school be for math, science and so forth.
I just don’t feel that it should be as big a deal as it is.
“They” want to believe the worst about Palin, and can’t help cheer-leading anything that paints her as a stump toothed, cousing humping chillbilly. Regardless how absurd it is. So far, this approach is not working to their advantage, which is fine by me…but if these charges, and ludicrous assertions go unanswered, they will eventually take root.
SP needs to spend more time in front of the camera, answering questions. Reality trumps delusional moonbat smears every time.
I thought I read that Palin had a really reasonable stand on all this. She didn’t feel threatened by evolution being taught in schools and also thought it would be okay to discuss other possibilities including creationism if the discussion was student led.
I think that is fine. I basically don’t think it lessens anyone’s faith to be taught the current state of science. Science can and should be open always to new information. I think by pushing and pushign scientists with religous theories such as creationism pushes them into a corner. You invade their domain and they feel threaten by religon. And that actually makes it less likely they are able to keep the appropriate scientific distance. It makes the whole thing emotion driven.
I think if you want your kids to consider this other theory then teach it to them. Let school be for math, science and so forth.
I just don’t feel that it should be as big a deal as it is.
petunia on September 11, 2008 at 11:05 PM
I’ve always been logic-minded as a general rule, it’s a part of who I am, and what I do.
But, scientists don’t just seek to wipe teachings of creationism away, they seek to wipe out religion with it. Scientists are threatened by creationism because the fact of the matter is that it’s obtuse to think that an invertebrate creature can grow a vertebrate bone structure out of nowhere.
The only scientific absolute in this existence is mathematics. There’s a much higher chance of intelligent design than there is of Darwinism-style evolution.
Imagine what kind of fun they would have had with Mitt’s Mormonism.
In creation, the chicken came first- not the egg. Things were created with inherent age. Adam and Eve were not babies in the hay, but fully functioning reproductive units. The rocks as part of the geological cycle were created to be millions of years old. It is not that hard to wrap your mind around it.
Valiant on September 11, 2008 at 9:21 PM
For your information Mormons don’t really see that much problem with evolution. If left alone science and religon will eventually come to the same conclusion. In fact they are both attempts to discover truth and there is only one truth. And only one Author of truth.
When it is time for us to know the exact ins and out of how the creation was accomplished it will be revealed–very likely through scientific investigation, of which the current theories are only a part. It actually maybe essential to our eventual understanding to understand the theory of evolution. Eternity is a long time we do not have to understand everything today.
Could a Harvard grad be so stupid as to have read this and taken it at face value?
On oil exploration and drilling in the ANWR: God made dinosaurs 4,000 years ago as ultimately flawed creatures, lizards of Satan really, so when they died and became petroleum products we, made in his perfect image, could use them in our pickup trucks, snow machines and fishing boats.
Hold on here, folks. Even though the above quote attributed to Palin (ie, that dinosaurs are “lizards of Satan”) sounds like somebody trying to make fun of her belief in creation, whether she made that comment or not, the Bible does teach that about 6,000 years ago God createdz^>vens and the earth, and about 4,400 years ago there was a flood. So I don’t think it’s so outrageous, okay. Fossils found in the rock strata do not indicate a time period (geological age) when the animals lived. The fossil record vividly shows the sequence of plant and animal death during that world-wide flood that occured 4400 years ago. Many plants, animals, and people, died in that flood — they were buried under the mud and rocks. That is where the oil came from — the flood caused it. So, yeah, some of the details in that quote are wrong and they sound funny, but there was a flood and the evidence backs it up! So next time you go to the gas station and fill your car full of gas just remember you’re pumping in all the plants, animals, dinosaurs, and all the people that died in the flood. The world was destroyed by a flood because of sin. It’s too bad, they should have gotten on the Ark, then they wouldn’t be having this problem right now.
“Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:” 2 Peter 3:6
The only scientific absolute in this existence is mathematics. There’s a much higher chance of intelligent design than there is of Darwinism-style evolution.
leetpriest on September 11, 2008 at 11:14 PM
I don’t know your theories of intelligent design but I did see that actor guy, I can’t think of his name… Big time in the Christian community… talk about it once and I found I agreed with him.
I don’t understand why we need to be so confrontational. There is not a scientist alive who can convince me that I am decended from an ape.
The power of God’s word speaks not only to my mind but also to my spirit and it tells me that I am a child of God created in his image. That is so much more powerful. It is not hard for me to tell what is true. And I trust my children to be able to tell the difference as well.
But science has such an important role to play in our age! It is wonderful to discover the way that God has organized and structured our world! Every part of science testifies of God! I am grateful for science and to people who devote their lives to discovery. They too are his children and he can and does guide them whether they know it is happening or not.
I was looking for a reason not to have to see another Damon movie. This is the perfect reason.
Liberal men soaked with the flop sweat that Sarah made. Sexism and anti-conservative hysteria has never been so easily identified.
I don’t know your theories of intelligent design but I did see that actor guy, I can’t think of his name… Big time in the Christian community… talk about it once and I found I agreed with him.
I don’t understand why we need to be so confrontational. There is not a scientist alive who can convince me that I am decended from an ape.
The power of God’s word speaks not only to my mind but also to my spirit and it tells me that I am a child of God created in his image. That is so much more powerful. It is not hard for me to tell what is true. And I trust my children to be able to tell the difference as well.
But science has such an important role to play in our age! It is wonderful to discover the way that God has organized and structured our world! Every part of science testifies of God! I am grateful for science and to people who devote their lives to discovery. They too are his children and he can and does guide them whether they know it is happening or not.
petunia on September 11, 2008 at 11:28 PM
I am a Christian and therefore believe in what the Book of Genesis outlines as the description of Earth’s creation.
And the Movie is called “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed”. It stars Ben Stein (who is Jewish). It is an excellent movie, and a great amount of work was put into the movie.
If I had children, I would see this as a dilemma. If I had a child that was anything like myself (may God never curse me in this way), it would be difficult to ask my child to differentiate between what they should, and should not believe coming from a teacher. If the child were like me, surely they would find this to be a prime opportunity to practice rebellion, and may gain the mindset that they have the permission to become belligerent with a teacher, or worse, may choose to ignore the teacher.
I want my future kids to understand evolution, but only so that they can understand the reason that it is so improbable and foolish. I don’t feel that an eighth grader could comprehend that.
As for the Pam-may-la clip I will say: she is pain in my bleep bleeps. Even Borat realized that she’s a ho-bag, slut-sack.
We hate you too ‘polythene’ Pam. (Beatle song).
Scientists are threatened by creationism because the fact of the matter is that it’s obtuse to think that an invertebrate creature can grow a vertebrate bone structure out of nowhere.
leetpriest on September 11, 2008 at 11:14 PM
I actually had an Anthropologist Professor from an Ivy league school that in a moment of reflection admit to me that the theory of human evolution was not built on very solid evidence and was mostly story making.
Now, I can’t even remember the guy’s name. And it was a long time ago. In the early 90s. But if you don’t start with a fight–about the study they have dedicated their life to–if you listen to them, they feel safe with you and can be honest.
He told me all the evidence could fit on the large table that was in the room we were in. Every bone they have found that supports the theory could fit on one table. He said he believed the theory but also believed in God. But some part of him realized that it could never be proven either way.
Then I had another scientist from the same Ivy league school. Try to pick a fight over evolution because he knew I was religous. It was at a cocktail party and he was drunk and wildly accusing me of bizzare beliefs, sort of like Matt Damon’s little speech.
Regarding Pamela Anderson – Can someone please explain this to me? She is a PETA spokesperson and yet her whole persona is comprised of cosmetic enhancements that have caused the suffering and death of many innocent animals. Why do people not realize this? Once these poor animals are used to study silicone, hepatitis treatments, tatoo inks, hair dye and cosmetics, they are killed. Once study and it’s lethal injection time. Dead. Murdered. What’s up wid dat?
The only scientific absolute in this existence is mathematics.
leetpriest on September 11, 2008 at 11:14 PM
And of that, Dedekind said, “G-d created the integers. The rest is the work of Man.”
progressoverpeace on September 12, 2008 at 12:03 AM
If the child were like me, surely they would find this to be a prime opportunity to practice rebellion, and may gain the mindset that they have the permission to become belligerent with a teacher, or worse, may choose to ignore the teacher.
I want my future kids to understand evolution, but only so that they can understand the reason that it is so improbable and foolish. I don’t feel that an eighth grader could comprehend that.
See why I don’t have kids?
leetpriest on September 11, 2008 at 11:38 PM
I have had discussions with my older kids about evolution. And I tell them my story. I took quite a few college anthropolgy classes, mostly cultural, and I was totally taught the most secular versions. And it didn’t shake my faith.
But my teenaged children seem to get more religous during those years not less. (I have six kids) And the truth is, people, even your own kids, have to make there own choice what to believe. But I can put aside the things that disagree with Scripture and wait for science to catch up. And I know that it will. Once Science believed the Earth was flat, and people haven’t been bled for a while now. It took awhile but they finally figured it out.
You can put your brain into science and learn it, recite it. But your faith has to be in God.
And Mormons are actually programed that we live by different rules than others. We don’t judge others by our health law for example, it is okay for them, not for us. So it isn’t that hard to apply that to science.
It sounds to me like you’d make a good parent. But are you a priest?
Hey Kasper, you might become the ghost of HotAir past if you keep on using that kind of language here. Be sure that the powers that be are not pleased with it.
And if John McCain and Sarah Palin go and screw this up by winning there are gonna be a lot of pissed off ignoramuses (ignorami???) out there demanding a recount.
I’ve always been logic-minded as a general rule, it’s a part of who I am, and what I do.
But, scientists don’t just seek to wipe teachings of creationism away, they seek to wipe out religion with it. Scientists are threatened by creationism because the fact of the matter is that it’s obtuse to think that an invertebrate creature can grow a vertebrate bone structure out of nowhere.
The only scientific absolute in this existence is mathematics. There’s a much higher chance of intelligent design than there is of Darwinism-style evolution.
leetpriest on September 11, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Actually some scientists, after studying life in detail, come to the conclusion that SOMETHING was behind it all. They rarely get tenure in Universities though.
Well, since there was a “day” or two before God seperated light from dark, and created the earth, there is no reason to think that a “day” in “God-Time” equates to a 24 hours day Earth time.
It could very well be 65 millon years, or 4,000 years, or several million billion years. No one knows the mind of God, and to prove or disprove a theorical timeline based on incomplete data from a several thousands year old text, which was written by someone with less education than a modern third grader, is going to be an impossible task.
Maxx, if you want to believe that people and dinosaurs lived together, you’re welcome to it.
I could be mistaken, but isn’t a “theory” by definition, something that can be tested? When people refer to the “theory” of Darwinian evolution they are incorrect. Neither Darwinism nor intelligent design (or “creationism”) are theories. They are rather, articles of faith in their respective belief systems.
I mean, really, I need to know if Barack Obama really thinks William Ayers is just a guy who lives in his neighborhood. Really, I need to know this before I vote. I want to know that, I really do. It’s scary that this guy could be president. It’s absurd. It’s totally absurd, it’s a really terrifying possibility. We can’t have that.
It even has a link to a CNN report of all things where they interview him and he debunks it.
Damon is an idiot.
Hawthorne on September 11, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Can we please note that this supposed comment was debunked by Snopes? That fact is getting buried in the dicussion on evolution ans creationsim. And has it occured to anyone that Damon and Dowd probably know this but figure their fans don’t, so it’s a good way to keep the rumor out there? Okay, so maybe Damon isn’t that smart, but Dowd is.
Oh no, Pam “petri dish” Anderson says Palin can suck it!!!! ALERT CNN and MSNBC. Dowd is the truly bitter American…she and the rest snarky liberal cocktail intelligencia. Bitter because they bought the Gloria Steinem hype, that being a strong successful woman meant forgoing relationships and families. News flash, many of the women who are attracted to the Palin selection have existed in the shadows, managing to have jobs, children and successful relationships. Yes, they can have it all Maureen, why can’t you? After all, you deserve it, you are entitled…wizened hag.
Can we please note that this supposed comment was debunked by Snopes? That fact is getting buried in the dicussion on evolution ans creationsim. And has it occured to anyone that Damon and Dowd probably know this but figure their fans don’t, so it’s a good way to keep the rumor out there? Okay, so maybe Damon isn’t that smart, but Dowd is.
Deanna on September 12, 2008 at 9:37 AM
I mean, really, I need to know if Barack Obama really thinks William Ayers is just a guy who lives in his neighborhood. Really, I need to know this before I vote. I want to know that, I really do. It’s scary that this guy could be president. It’s absurd. It’s totally absurd, it’s a really terrifying possibility. We can’t have that.
It’s like a bad Tim Robbins movie.
saint kansas on September 12, 2008 at 9:10 AM
Yes, this whole thing is what Obama once would have referred to as a “distraction”. Because anything to do with his religion, what is taught… even damaging, racist stuff, should be completely out of the race. But they can pull something pretty innocent from something Palin said in Church about prayng for guidence… and that is played prime time and misquoted by a respected journalist.
And on the other hand the only reason anyone would even know about Bill Ayers is Sean Hannity. No journalist would pursue it. It is a valid worry, and because they like the guy they won’t even look.
Yes it was a disinformation campaign. You might say a left-wing conspiracy.
Did you? The bogus voiceover isn’t even synced with the speakers’ lips. And why on Earth would Ron Reagan be talking about paleontology?
Cicero43 on September 11, 2008 at 7:23 PM
Voiceover? What are you talking about. No voiceover there. It’s true. Scientists found soft tissue in the leg bone of a T-Rex dinosaur. The discovery coincides quite nicely with the Biblical explanation — that most dinosaurs were destroyed in the flood 4400 years ago. All these fossils are animals that died in the flood. Fossils can only form under spectacular circumstances – ie, under tons of mud and rocks from a flood. Soft tissue does not survive for 70 million years. Dinosaurs did not live millions of years ago.
Not only does, Matt, put himself, on my Movies-to-Boycott list, dammit to hell, because I really liked the Bourne movies, but, I just heard about Pam Anderson’s “suck-it” comment, and will now have to boycott her movies too!
I responded to your post Maxx about abiogenic oil, but it had 4-5 links in it. I guess it didn’t go through. Maybe I’ll try again without as many links.
Agree with all of that except I like the Thomas Gold theory of abiogenic oil.
Maxx on September 11, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Hey, Maxx. Well, you won’t find me arguing with you on that, brother. We’ve got much better things to do with our time anyways like getting the truth out to the lost. We’re on the same team. No two people agree on everything anyways. So no way, I don’t want to debate. Not saying you do. Just saying I won’t (smiles). However, I’ll tell you what I think on this subject so you know. I’m convinced that the oil is down there as a result of the people and animals that drowned in the flood, and it has only been there for about 4,400 years. That is why it is still under pressure. They can take a ton of garbage in the lab and and squeeze it into a barrel of oil in about 20 minutes. All that oil, the coal, and the natural gas, it’s consistent with the devastation of Noah’s Flood, which would have uprooted everything on the planet and buried it with huge quantities of sand and mud. People don’t realize that today’s earth is completely different than before the flood. We are living in a destroyed world wrecked by a major catastrophe. I tend to agree with the Canopy Theory. There is evidence that before the flood there was more oxygen in the earth’s atmosphere like the hyperbaric oxygen chambers where athletes go for quicker healing. Scientists have drilled into petrified tree sap, the “Amber”, and they sometimes have air bubbles trapped in them. These air bubbles had 30% oxygen, compared to our current atmosphere of oxygen (20%). If there was more oxygen in the air it would help people live longer lives (less illness and quicker healing) before the flood (pre-flood life span 900 years, post-flood 400, Moses time 100, today 70-80, etc). An atmosphere of 30% oxygen and double air pressure would produce incredibly lush vegetation, and huge, gigantic, forests. It would also explain why everything was bigger before the flood of Noah. They’ve found giant fossilized oysters and clams, turtles, rats, frogs, insects, etc. I’d post the pics, but the filters keep eating my post. So I think it’s the best explanation for some of the things we find. That said, even if there wasn’t a water canopy around the earth (see Psalm 148:4) we still know everything was bigger before the flood of Noah, and all this matter would still result in all the fossil fuels we find. There’s something else as well. I think the oil is down there to remind us about the judgment of God on sin every time we use any oil or natural gas or drive down a black-top highway. Such a glaring reminder. Have a great day Maxx. May the Lord bless us in our searching and our questions.
Excellent post apocalyps!! And its amazing how much we think alike. You covered a lot of ground in that post and I’m in agreement on probably 98%. We must be reading much of the same materials. I read Walt Brown’s site, its my favorite for purely scientific answers to Biblical questions, amazing stuff.
I agree 100% with the points you made about Noah’s flood, no doubt the coal and natural gas is a result of enormous amounts of vegetation and carcases being rapidly buried about 4,400 years ago. The coalification process can be accomplished in a matter of weeks or months, it surely does not take millions of years like secular science tries to tell us. The number of flat out lies kids are taught in schools these days is very sad.
The evidence of Noah’s flood is everywhere but of course secular science tries to deny it. But the creation sites are beating the secular scientists to death on this issue and at some point they will have to acknowledge the truth of the matter and I don’t think its that far off.
I just read Psalm 148:4 and I was not aware of that verse, interesting. And of course Genesis 1:6 says something similar. But I don’t know how the water Canopy could have stayed up there, so if you have a link on that I would like to read it.
You are certainly right about the very long lifespans of the antediluvian Patriarchs and higher oxygen content and the giant size of everything.
One point on the oil and the reason I think Thomas Gold might be right is that we have to drill so deep to get at it. And the fact that wells pumped dry can sometimes be left alone for a decade or so and oil appears in the well again. So Gold says he thinks it some kind of chemical reaction between methane and water and some other things (I don’t recall) and that the Earth naturally produces oil. But I sure don’t know for sure its just an interesting theory.
I’m glad we are on the same team. God Bless and goodnight.
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Ummm, maybe not. But this douchebag isn’t a Harvard grad.
Jaibones on September 11, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Some of my faves:
Sarah Palin was to walk out to the singing of Angels, but convention organizers thought it might come off as showing off.
Sarah Palin’s suit is made from 100% dead liberal skin.
Sarah Palin prepped for this speech with a ritual sacrifice of Susan Estrich.
Sarah Palin has actually travelled backwards in time from after the roll call to accept the nomination retroactively.
Sarah Palin doesn’t actually have an accent, it’s distortion from her telepathic broadcast directly into your brain.
In 2003, the US considered deploying Sarah Palin to Iraq as a 1-woman commando squad, but wanted to make it a fair fight.
As head of Alaska’s Nat’l Guard, Sarah Palin taught troops in a training exercise to scare a grenade into not exploding.
Sarah Palin drives herself to work everyday – in an M1A1 tank
Sarah Palin believes in change, too. She takes it from your pockets after striking you dead.
Sarah Palin wears three quarter length sleeves to keep from getting blood on her clothes when she kills liberals.
bryan2369 on September 11, 2008 at 8:04 PM
I am a young earth creationist. Mainly I believe this by the geological column, but also because a plain reading of the Bible and an understanding of historical narratives verses Hebrew poetry (as well as ancient writings from Sumerian and the like), I think demand at least a look by each person individually rather than simply deferring to scientists who have already come to their conclusion before the question is asked (speaking here of philosophical naturalism). I am not here to debate the issue on this site though. I have blogged on this topic once:
http://religiopoliticaltalk.blogspot.com/2007/10/dinosaurs-bible-and-creation-proofs.html
You may contact me if you are serious about investigating this topic. I have well over 3,500 books in my home library (politics, history, science, philosophy, theology, religions, etc). I have debated via forums and private letters (via e-mail) professors, graduate students, and others. I am in seminary getting a master of arts in theology with an emphasis in apologetics, a father of two teenage boys, blue-collar worker, and husband. In other words, I am busy, so I will be more than happy to respond to serious queries.
seang200@hotmail.com
papa_giorgio on September 11, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Link here dated August 31st on MSNBC:
http://boards.msn.com/thread.aspx?threadid=765589&boardsparam=PostID=21742562
identifies the source as the Anchorage Daily News
Anybody having better luck with the search?
CyberCipher on September 11, 2008 at 8:09 PM
Matt, try and remember when the director says “cut”, you’re only pretending to be a smart guy in those movies.
Sumrica on September 11, 2008 at 8:09 PM
Well your ability to distinguish fake video is not so good because its real. Here’s the same story on the MSNBC website. Oh, I know, I faked the website…. right?
Oh, and news host talk about all kinds of things.
Maxx on September 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Shhhhhhhhhh He is thinking of what to say now. Please please someone give this pretty boy
guya script before he thinks again.I am sure it hurts his pretty little face. Isn’t Matt damon a pretty boy.
I would say something about dressing him up and putting lipstick on a ……oh why insult the pig.
DVPTexFla on September 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Huff Po (Gewitz) now says:
Now focusing on August 30th.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on September 11, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Palintology
carbon_footprint on September 11, 2008 at 8:20 PM
The fondest, of course, would be when his boat sank.
BobMbx on September 11, 2008 at 8:21 PM
So Damon is as informed as ABC/Gibson?
aikidoka on September 11, 2008 at 8:22 PM
There used to be a small spot in the back of the A section our local newspaper where they would put a picture of a celebrity with a recent quote of them. I asked someone who worked at the paper why they bothered, using up that space saying, “Every quote makes it sound like they are all idiots.”
My friend said, “So you do know why we put them in there.”
Most often celebrities are covered for our interest and amusement, but sometimes it is as a reminder that they’re only celebrities and there’s a reason we shouldn’t take them seriously.
I take this interview as mostly the latter with just a pinch of the former, but I still prefer to see the monkeys in the zoo or the clowns at the circus.
Dusty on September 11, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Erroneous. First of all, it’s most Americans, not just many Americans. Secondly, the timeline doesn’t say anything about 4,000 years… it’s 6,000 years and possibly as much as 10,000. Noah’s flood is believed to have happened roughly 4,500 years ago though, which destroyed the dinosaurs… but no one alleges that they were created 500 years later. Clearly Damon read or heard about the parody, but believed it to be fact… otherwise we’re expected to believe that he, just by coincidence, pulled the same number out of his ass?
RightWinged on September 11, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Maxx, if you want to believe that people and dinosaurs lived together, you’re welcome to it.
Cicero43 on September 11, 2008 at 8:28 PM
No Matt. A “really terrifying possibility” was having within a heartbeat of the presidency, a dope who thought he invented the Internet.
As for the nuclear football, your hero Bill Clinton once misplaced it – probably while checking out some babe’s legs.
As for Pam… She would know.
whitetop on September 11, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Bingo. Found the source of the quote.
(Snopes did indeed clear it up.)
It is here.
My collie says:
It wasn’t Daily KOS this time.
CyberCipher on September 11, 2008 at 8:30 PM
This is the original blog where the joke started:
http://unbearablebobness.typepad.com/
It even has a link to a CNN report of all things where they interview him and he debunks it.
Damon is an idiot.
Hawthorne on September 11, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Most atheists seem to think that if you believe in creation, you have to hold to the ~4,000 timeline espoused by what are known as “young-earth” creationists. There are many evangelicals, myself included, that believe in an old-earth timeline. That is, we believe that the universe really is billions of years old and that the dinos really were roaming millions of years ago.
I personally think that my young-earth brethren are misguided, but it’s not a make-or-break issue. We both believe that God actually created the joint.
Notably, I haven’t heard Palin ever state what she actually believed. I’m assuming she does believe in creation, given the oblique remark that she thought it was a fair discussion to have in schools (not taught!). I haven’t yet heard whether she subscribes to the 4,000-year timeline, though.
PersonalLiberty on September 11, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Can you really sucker a sucker, i.e., someone who has already been suckered?
Blake on September 11, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Lots of evidence for it. Open your mind a little, you might learn something.
Maxx on September 11, 2008 at 8:32 PM
In addition to astronaut, janitor, CIA agent and jewel thief…Matt Demon is evidently a scientist too and has ended the debate about the age of the earth!
Way to go Matt!
SaintOlaf on September 11, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Impressive. (Not sarcasm)
But, as I’m sure you have already experienced, most of “them” have made up their minds. Facts don’t interest them.
(And they get a bit testy when you say things like, “If evolution is true then you are no more significant than whale poop.”)
davidk on September 11, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Please enjoy, all of my friends at Hot Air:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWTzyU5MFgM
Squid Shark on September 11, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Folks, Dinosaurs roam the earth to this day. They are called birds. The closest living thing to the mighty T-rex is the Chicken
jerryofva on September 11, 2008 at 8:45 PM
I must be missing something. I was under the impression that “Creationism” was the belief that however the world was made, it had God as it’s instigator. I am tired of hearing that “the human brain cannot grasp” the idea of how the universe was started or where the original scrap of material came from that was banged bigly. It seems simpler to me to acknowledge that God always existed, created time, and entered into it to create the universes.
But hey, that’s just me and what do I know in relation to such smart people.
TimothyJ on September 11, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Even in a water and/or oxygen free environment, background ionizing radiation will gradually erase DNA. The longest DNA could survive intact under the most ideal conditions is 50,000 years. (Lindahl, ‘Instability and Decay of the Primary Structure of DNA’; Nature #362 [1993])
That’s the oldest any recovered dinosaur DNA could feasably be. Sorry for blaspheming your religion.
TMK on September 11, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Congratulations! You and Matt Daemon think exactly alike about this! You should be very proud of yourself.
Now make sure you disregard the fact that all cultures (on all seven continents) have numerous stories about DRAGONS living with man…..you wouldn’t want to lose your atheist intellectual superiority card.
SaintOlaf on September 11, 2008 at 8:56 PM
ummmmmm or not
Squid Shark on September 11, 2008 at 8:59 PM
The problem with believing the Earth is billions of years old of course, is that you have to also believe that God lied to us. He states the beginning with Adam and then gives us the age for the Patriarchs to the birth of Jesus. Doing the math it comes up to about 4,000 years from the beginning to the birth of Christ, so the Earth is about six-thousand years old.
And of course, there are many dating methods, in fact most dating methods that verify the Earth in not older than about ten thousand years. The only dating methods that indicate billions of year have to do with radiometric dating and these methods have been shown to be totally inaccurate. They are a joke really. For example, rocks of known age from Mt. Saint Helens have been tested and some come back with ages as much as 2.8 million years. Talk about being a “little” off. Radiometric/carbon 14 dating methods are totally devoid of any credibility.
Maxx on September 11, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Please show me ONE example of a lizard turning into a bird…
(And no….the archaeopteryx has already been proven to be just a bird, so don’t waste your time with that one)
SaintOlaf on September 11, 2008 at 9:05 PM
I told Maxx he could believe anything he wants. Why so defensive? And does everyone who doesn’t take the Bible literally an atheist? Who has the closed mind here?
Cicero43 on September 11, 2008 at 9:05 PM
OMG. Pammy grew up just a few miles from me (she Ladysmith, me, Nanoose Bay) on Vancouver Island. After her grandparents recently died she inherited all kinds of pristine land and is now looking at developing it. Very upscale development. Not for the likes of yee and me. There goes the neighbourhood. Alot of locals are not impressed.
kellyjane on September 11, 2008 at 9:06 PM
That’s as far as I got. Yes.
Jim Treacher on September 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Harvard likes them stupid. It cuts down on the complaints about the asinine leftism that is pushed there.
The question of intelligence is better directed at those who worship a piece of Harvard sheepskin.
progressoverpeace on September 11, 2008 at 9:12 PM
When I was taking “exploring the Old Testament” in college, back in the 70’s, I remember the professor stating that it was possible, even likely, that the geneologies in the Bible were not all inclusive. That would indicate that the story of the primitive pair are a lot older than 4,000 years.
TimothyJ on September 11, 2008 at 9:14 PM
- Walker Texas Ranger never made a guest appearance in Alaska. Sarah Palin was already there.
– Sarah Palin was supposed to catch a chartered jet from Alaska to Ohio, but she just finished her morning run there instead.
– Sarah Palin is Chuck Norris’ stunt double.
– Sarah Palin’s parents moved to Alaska so she could be closer to her Fortress of Solitude (nobody recognizes her with her glasses on).
– Darth Sidious had to go to a galaxy far, far away because Sarah Palin was here protecting this one.
– Sarah Palin knows polar bears aren’t an endangered species because she hasn’t hunted them.
– Sarah Palin got Jack Bauer to tell her everything he knows.
– When the existence of Sarah Palin became public knowledge, Senator Obama was no longer the most popular politician in the world and Joe Biden admitted he wasn’t as qualified for the VP job for fear he’d have to face Palin in a debate.
Geministorm on September 11, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Well I’m a creationist so obviously I don’t buy into the dinosaurs to birds theory. But I would agree that dinosaurs might in fact still be around. Is this video real? Probably not, but then again…..
Maxx on September 11, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Imagine what kind of fun they would have had with Mitt’s Mormonism.
In creation, the chicken came first- not the egg. Things were created with inherent age. Adam and Eve were not babies in the hay, but fully functioning reproductive units. The rocks as part of the geological cycle were created to be millions of years old. It is not that hard to wrap your mind around it.
Valiant on September 11, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Actually it was just another constructed fossil fraud.
Maxx on September 11, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Squid Shark: You Rock!
Maaaaatt Damon.
bryan2369 on September 11, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Who is that blonde tranny in the second video ? Boy George ?
redrock on September 11, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Living proof that most actors are really, really stupid.
Pelayo on September 11, 2008 at 10:05 PM
You’re nuts if you believe in young earth creationism. Let’s throw out all independent inquiry in favor of an ancient book full of scientific nonsense. Whatever.
Xolom on September 11, 2008 at 10:12 PM
That second clip is coming from a woman that has put things in her mouth that would make a rat choke.
Hening on September 11, 2008 at 10:22 PM
That mess is the next generation of Joan Rivers.
She’s Joan Rivers if a high school sophomore boy invented her.
She’s a humanoid blow-up sex doll.
She’s gross and gooey.
Jaibones on September 11, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Interesting how one of the most prolific “suckers” tells an dignified and gentrified woman to “suck it.”
Pam, look in the mirror.
Richard Romano on September 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Glen Beck played Matts little speech
this morning,such an idiot!
With Pam speaking,”suck it”!She
has quite the dirty little mouth,eh!
Notice the logic of the Lefty’s
insults and name calling,but no
substance!
That makes this a Dailey Double for
idiots!
canopfor on September 11, 2008 at 11:05 PM
I thought I read that Palin had a really reasonable stand on all this. She didn’t feel threatened by evolution being taught in schools and also thought it would be okay to discuss other possibilities including creationism if the discussion was student led.
I think that is fine. I basically don’t think it lessens anyone’s faith to be taught the current state of science. Science can and should be open always to new information. I think by pushing and pushign scientists with religous theories such as creationism pushes them into a corner. You invade their domain and they feel threaten by religon. And that actually makes it less likely they are able to keep the appropriate scientific distance. It makes the whole thing emotion driven.
I think if you want your kids to consider this other theory then teach it to them. Let school be for math, science and so forth.
I just don’t feel that it should be as big a deal as it is.
petunia on September 11, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Actually, Matt Damon dropped out of school 12 credits shy of graduation.
See Paragraph 2 on this page
Only a moron drops out of an ivy league school when he’s 3 or 4 classes shy of graduation.
Not much “Courage Under Fire” if you ask me. HAR HAR HAR!
leetpriest on September 11, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Too easy.
“They” want to believe the worst about Palin, and can’t help cheer-leading anything that paints her as a stump toothed, cousing humping chillbilly. Regardless how absurd it is. So far, this approach is not working to their advantage, which is fine by me…but if these charges, and ludicrous assertions go unanswered, they will eventually take root.
SP needs to spend more time in front of the camera, answering questions. Reality trumps delusional moonbat smears every time.
DngrMse on September 11, 2008 at 11:14 PM
I’ve always been logic-minded as a general rule, it’s a part of who I am, and what I do.
But, scientists don’t just seek to wipe teachings of creationism away, they seek to wipe out religion with it. Scientists are threatened by creationism because the fact of the matter is that it’s obtuse to think that an invertebrate creature can grow a vertebrate bone structure out of nowhere.
The only scientific absolute in this existence is mathematics. There’s a much higher chance of intelligent design than there is of Darwinism-style evolution.
leetpriest on September 11, 2008 at 11:14 PM
For your information Mormons don’t really see that much problem with evolution. If left alone science and religon will eventually come to the same conclusion. In fact they are both attempts to discover truth and there is only one truth. And only one Author of truth.
When it is time for us to know the exact ins and out of how the creation was accomplished it will be revealed–very likely through scientific investigation, of which the current theories are only a part. It actually maybe essential to our eventual understanding to understand the theory of evolution. Eternity is a long time we do not have to understand everything today.
petunia on September 11, 2008 at 11:14 PM
In Matt Damon’s defense,,,,he is a fucking idiot.
Kasper Hauser on September 11, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Pam,
You pampered, yet worn out old dish-rag. How’s that big decision about when to show the kids your awesome intertube movie with Tommy coming?
By the way, your advice to the Governor, I’m sure you could give many tips.
Whore!
hawkdriver on September 11, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Hold on here, folks. Even though the above quote attributed to Palin (ie, that dinosaurs are “lizards of Satan”) sounds like somebody trying to make fun of her belief in creation, whether she made that comment or not, the Bible does teach that about 6,000 years ago God createdz^>vens and the earth, and about 4,400 years ago there was a flood. So I don’t think it’s so outrageous, okay. Fossils found in the rock strata do not indicate a time period (geological age) when the animals lived. The fossil record vividly shows the sequence of plant and animal death during that world-wide flood that occured 4400 years ago. Many plants, animals, and people, died in that flood — they were buried under the mud and rocks. That is where the oil came from — the flood caused it. So, yeah, some of the details in that quote are wrong and they sound funny, but there was a flood and the evidence backs it up! So next time you go to the gas station and fill your car full of gas just remember you’re pumping in all the plants, animals, dinosaurs, and all the people that died in the flood. The world was destroyed by a flood because of sin. It’s too bad, they should have gotten on the Ark, then they wouldn’t be having this problem right now.
“Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:” 2 Peter 3:6
apacalyps on September 11, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Thanks for the link to the website. I glanced over it, it looks very interesting so I’ve bookmarked it and will read it over later.
Here’s one you that you might like, its my favorite on the web concerning young earth. Its a huge site with tons of information.
Maxx on September 11, 2008 at 11:25 PM
I don’t know your theories of intelligent design but I did see that actor guy, I can’t think of his name… Big time in the Christian community… talk about it once and I found I agreed with him.
I don’t understand why we need to be so confrontational. There is not a scientist alive who can convince me that I am decended from an ape.
The power of God’s word speaks not only to my mind but also to my spirit and it tells me that I am a child of God created in his image. That is so much more powerful. It is not hard for me to tell what is true. And I trust my children to be able to tell the difference as well.
But science has such an important role to play in our age! It is wonderful to discover the way that God has organized and structured our world! Every part of science testifies of God! I am grateful for science and to people who devote their lives to discovery. They too are his children and he can and does guide them whether they know it is happening or not.
petunia on September 11, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Can I be the first one to make the “throwing a hot dog down the hallway” remark?
leetpriest on September 11, 2008 at 11:29 PM
I was looking for a reason not to have to see another Damon movie. This is the perfect reason.
Liberal men soaked with the flop sweat that Sarah made. Sexism and anti-conservative hysteria has never been so easily identified.
Christine on September 11, 2008 at 11:35 PM
I am a Christian and therefore believe in what the Book of Genesis outlines as the description of Earth’s creation.
And the Movie is called “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed”. It stars Ben Stein (who is Jewish). It is an excellent movie, and a great amount of work was put into the movie.
If I had children, I would see this as a dilemma. If I had a child that was anything like myself (may God never curse me in this way), it would be difficult to ask my child to differentiate between what they should, and should not believe coming from a teacher. If the child were like me, surely they would find this to be a prime opportunity to practice rebellion, and may gain the mindset that they have the permission to become belligerent with a teacher, or worse, may choose to ignore the teacher.
I want my future kids to understand evolution, but only so that they can understand the reason that it is so improbable and foolish. I don’t feel that an eighth grader could comprehend that.
See why I don’t have kids?
leetpriest on September 11, 2008 at 11:38 PM
I cannot believe we are wasting blog time on this. Except to poke fun at Damon and Dowd. Falling for this like Rather fell.
Knuckleheads.
I can’t believe anybody here would even think of it.
Come on guys and gals, get a hold of yourselves.
Sapwolf on September 11, 2008 at 11:40 PM
apacalyps on September 11, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Agree with all of that except I like the Thomas Gold theory of abiogenic oil.
Maxx on September 11, 2008 at 11:41 PM
As for the Pam-may-la clip I will say: she is pain in my bleep bleeps. Even Borat realized that she’s a ho-bag, slut-sack.
We hate you too ‘polythene’ Pam. (Beatle song).
Christine on September 11, 2008 at 11:43 PM
I actually had an Anthropologist Professor from an Ivy league school that in a moment of reflection admit to me that the theory of human evolution was not built on very solid evidence and was mostly story making.
Now, I can’t even remember the guy’s name. And it was a long time ago. In the early 90s. But if you don’t start with a fight–about the study they have dedicated their life to–if you listen to them, they feel safe with you and can be honest.
He told me all the evidence could fit on the large table that was in the room we were in. Every bone they have found that supports the theory could fit on one table. He said he believed the theory but also believed in God. But some part of him realized that it could never be proven either way.
Then I had another scientist from the same Ivy league school. Try to pick a fight over evolution because he knew I was religous. It was at a cocktail party and he was drunk and wildly accusing me of bizzare beliefs, sort of like Matt Damon’s little speech.
petunia on September 11, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Regarding Pamela Anderson – Can someone please explain this to me? She is a PETA spokesperson and yet her whole persona is comprised of cosmetic enhancements that have caused the suffering and death of many innocent animals. Why do people not realize this? Once these poor animals are used to study silicone, hepatitis treatments, tatoo inks, hair dye and cosmetics, they are killed. Once study and it’s lethal injection time. Dead. Murdered. What’s up wid dat?
bloggless on September 12, 2008 at 12:01 AM
And of that, Dedekind said, “G-d created the integers. The rest is the work of Man.”
progressoverpeace on September 12, 2008 at 12:03 AM
I have had discussions with my older kids about evolution. And I tell them my story. I took quite a few college anthropolgy classes, mostly cultural, and I was totally taught the most secular versions. And it didn’t shake my faith.
But my teenaged children seem to get more religous during those years not less. (I have six kids) And the truth is, people, even your own kids, have to make there own choice what to believe. But I can put aside the things that disagree with Scripture and wait for science to catch up. And I know that it will. Once Science believed the Earth was flat, and people haven’t been bled for a while now. It took awhile but they finally figured it out.
You can put your brain into science and learn it, recite it. But your faith has to be in God.
And Mormons are actually programed that we live by different rules than others. We don’t judge others by our health law for example, it is okay for them, not for us. So it isn’t that hard to apply that to science.
It sounds to me like you’d make a good parent. But are you a priest?
petunia on September 12, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Kasper Hauser on September 11, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Hey Kasper, you might become the ghost of HotAir past if you keep on using that kind of language here. Be sure that the powers that be are not pleased with it.
Maxx on September 12, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Matt Damon? Who is this clown?
Kini on September 12, 2008 at 12:54 AM
As for Boobs Anderson, I’ve seen your work…. sucking that is
Kini on September 12, 2008 at 12:56 AM
When was the vice president put in charge of dinosaurs? Is this another McCain joke?
Ronnie on September 12, 2008 at 1:07 AM
Dammit! Didn’t you get the memo:
THIS IS OUR TIME!
And if John McCain and Sarah Palin go and screw this up by winning there are gonna be a lot of pissed off ignoramuses (ignorami???) out there demanding a recount.
rockhead on September 12, 2008 at 1:22 AM
The theme of many of Mat Damon’s movies has been anti-U.S. anyway.
Johan Klaus on September 12, 2008 at 1:29 AM
Maaattt Dammmmon.
Matttt Ddddaaaammmon.
Matt Damon.
You have to watch Team America to get the above…
Montana on September 12, 2008 at 1:43 AM
Actually some scientists, after studying life in detail, come to the conclusion that SOMETHING was behind it all. They rarely get tenure in Universities though.
Montana on September 12, 2008 at 1:44 AM
Good Lord, how does the bimbo keep her eyes open under the weight of those phoney lashes. Elite, asinine, trailer trash!
hopefloats on September 12, 2008 at 1:53 AM
Matt Damon is a pompus ass. As for Pam, she is nothing but scum. She knows how to suck. This we all know.
sheebe on September 12, 2008 at 2:42 AM
An actor pretends. It seems like they could pretend to be smart.
Johan Klaus on September 12, 2008 at 3:25 AM
Well, since there was a “day” or two before God seperated light from dark, and created the earth, there is no reason to think that a “day” in “God-Time” equates to a 24 hours day Earth time.
It could very well be 65 millon years, or 4,000 years, or several million billion years. No one knows the mind of God, and to prove or disprove a theorical timeline based on incomplete data from a several thousands year old text, which was written by someone with less education than a modern third grader, is going to be an impossible task.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on September 12, 2008 at 3:45 AM
“Durr, Matt Damon”
Cr4sh Dummy on September 12, 2008 at 4:08 AM
I could be mistaken, but isn’t a “theory” by definition, something that can be tested? When people refer to the “theory” of Darwinian evolution they are incorrect. Neither Darwinism nor intelligent design (or “creationism”) are theories. They are rather, articles of faith in their respective belief systems.
oldleprechaun on September 12, 2008 at 4:48 AM
Speaking of PETA, check out this thought-provoking street demonstration: Naked Beauties Shower on Street Corner.
If you didn’t eat meat, you could shower longer, with naked chicks. In public. Or something.
saint kansas on September 12, 2008 at 6:49 AM
I mean, really, I need to know if Barack Obama really thinks William Ayers is just a guy who lives in his neighborhood. Really, I need to know this before I vote. I want to know that, I really do. It’s scary that this guy could be president. It’s absurd. It’s totally absurd, it’s a really terrifying possibility. We can’t have that.
It’s like a bad Tim Robbins movie.
saint kansas on September 12, 2008 at 9:10 AM
If you guys want to argue about evolution you might try Darwin Central. Now back to the topic …
Can we please note that this supposed comment was debunked by Snopes? That fact is getting buried in the dicussion on evolution ans creationsim. And has it occured to anyone that Damon and Dowd probably know this but figure their fans don’t, so it’s a good way to keep the rumor out there? Okay, so maybe Damon isn’t that smart, but Dowd is.
Deanna on September 12, 2008 at 9:37 AM
Pam is a washed up slut who doesnt have a brain in her head.
Matt Damon should have finished college then maybe he wouldn’t believe everything he reads.
Erockk on September 12, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Oh no, Pam “petri dish” Anderson says Palin can suck it!!!! ALERT CNN and MSNBC. Dowd is the truly bitter American…she and the rest snarky liberal cocktail intelligencia. Bitter because they bought the Gloria Steinem hype, that being a strong successful woman meant forgoing relationships and families. News flash, many of the women who are attracted to the Palin selection have existed in the shadows, managing to have jobs, children and successful relationships. Yes, they can have it all Maureen, why can’t you? After all, you deserve it, you are entitled…wizened hag.
PatriotPete on September 12, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Yes, this whole thing is what Obama once would have referred to as a “distraction”. Because anything to do with his religion, what is taught… even damaging, racist stuff, should be completely out of the race. But they can pull something pretty innocent from something Palin said in Church about prayng for guidence… and that is played prime time and misquoted by a respected journalist.
And on the other hand the only reason anyone would even know about Bill Ayers is Sean Hannity. No journalist would pursue it. It is a valid worry, and because they like the guy they won’t even look.
Yes it was a disinformation campaign. You might say a left-wing conspiracy.
petunia on September 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Voiceover? What are you talking about. No voiceover there. It’s true. Scientists found soft tissue in the leg bone of a T-Rex dinosaur. The discovery coincides quite nicely with the Biblical explanation — that most dinosaurs were destroyed in the flood 4400 years ago. All these fossils are animals that died in the flood. Fossils can only form under spectacular circumstances – ie, under tons of mud and rocks from a flood. Soft tissue does not survive for 70 million years. Dinosaurs did not live millions of years ago.
apacalyps on September 12, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Not only does, Matt, put himself, on my Movies-to-Boycott list, dammit to hell, because I really liked the Bourne movies, but, I just heard about Pam Anderson’s “suck-it” comment, and will now have to boycott her movies too!
luvstotango on September 12, 2008 at 2:10 PM
I responded to your post Maxx about abiogenic oil, but it had 4-5 links in it. I guess it didn’t go through. Maybe I’ll try again without as many links.
apacalyps on September 12, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Nope. Tried again with only 3 links this time. It didn’t go through. What to do. Hmm. The links help make the point I want to get across.
apacalyps on September 12, 2008 at 4:40 PM
So Matt Damon has given us his credibility-evaluation of Palin?
Hmm, I think I’ll wait to make up my mind about her until that guy who played Mr. Drummond from Diff’rent Strokes weighs in with his opinion.
persuader on September 12, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Hey, Maxx. Well, you won’t find me arguing with you on that, brother. We’ve got much better things to do with our time anyways like getting the truth out to the lost. We’re on the same team. No two people agree on everything anyways. So no way, I don’t want to debate. Not saying you do. Just saying I won’t (smiles). However, I’ll tell you what I think on this subject so you know. I’m convinced that the oil is down there as a result of the people and animals that drowned in the flood, and it has only been there for about 4,400 years. That is why it is still under pressure. They can take a ton of garbage in the lab and and squeeze it into a barrel of oil in about 20 minutes. All that oil, the coal, and the natural gas, it’s consistent with the devastation of Noah’s Flood, which would have uprooted everything on the planet and buried it with huge quantities of sand and mud. People don’t realize that today’s earth is completely different than before the flood. We are living in a destroyed world wrecked by a major catastrophe. I tend to agree with the Canopy Theory. There is evidence that before the flood there was more oxygen in the earth’s atmosphere like the hyperbaric oxygen chambers where athletes go for quicker healing. Scientists have drilled into petrified tree sap, the “Amber”, and they sometimes have air bubbles trapped in them. These air bubbles had 30% oxygen, compared to our current atmosphere of oxygen (20%). If there was more oxygen in the air it would help people live longer lives (less illness and quicker healing) before the flood (pre-flood life span 900 years, post-flood 400, Moses time 100, today 70-80, etc). An atmosphere of 30% oxygen and double air pressure would produce incredibly lush vegetation, and huge, gigantic, forests. It would also explain why everything was bigger before the flood of Noah. They’ve found giant fossilized oysters and clams, turtles, rats, frogs, insects, etc. I’d post the pics, but the filters keep eating my post. So I think it’s the best explanation for some of the things we find. That said, even if there wasn’t a water canopy around the earth (see Psalm 148:4) we still know everything was bigger before the flood of Noah, and all this matter would still result in all the fossil fuels we find. There’s something else as well. I think the oil is down there to remind us about the judgment of God on sin every time we use any oil or natural gas or drive down a black-top highway. Such a glaring reminder. Have a great day Maxx. May the Lord bless us in our searching and our questions.
apacalyps on September 12, 2008 at 8:41 PM
apacalyps on September 12, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Excellent post apocalyps!! And its amazing how much we think alike. You covered a lot of ground in that post and I’m in agreement on probably 98%. We must be reading much of the same materials. I read Walt Brown’s site, its my favorite for purely scientific answers to Biblical questions, amazing stuff.
I agree 100% with the points you made about Noah’s flood, no doubt the coal and natural gas is a result of enormous amounts of vegetation and carcases being rapidly buried about 4,400 years ago. The coalification process can be accomplished in a matter of weeks or months, it surely does not take millions of years like secular science tries to tell us. The number of flat out lies kids are taught in schools these days is very sad.
The evidence of Noah’s flood is everywhere but of course secular science tries to deny it. But the creation sites are beating the secular scientists to death on this issue and at some point they will have to acknowledge the truth of the matter and I don’t think its that far off.
I just read Psalm 148:4 and I was not aware of that verse, interesting. And of course Genesis 1:6 says something similar. But I don’t know how the water Canopy could have stayed up there, so if you have a link on that I would like to read it.
You are certainly right about the very long lifespans of the antediluvian Patriarchs and higher oxygen content and the giant size of everything.
One point on the oil and the reason I think Thomas Gold might be right is that we have to drill so deep to get at it. And the fact that wells pumped dry can sometimes be left alone for a decade or so and oil appears in the well again. So Gold says he thinks it some kind of chemical reaction between methane and water and some other things (I don’t recall) and that the Earth naturally produces oil. But I sure don’t know for sure its just an interesting theory.
I’m glad we are on the same team. God Bless and goodnight.
Maxx on September 12, 2008 at 11:49 PM
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