With Obama reeling, Clintons not motivated to assist
posted at 10:30 am on September 10, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
The Clintons would appear to give Barack Obama everything he needs in surrogates — experience, a natural constituency, and in Hillary a strong female presence to counteract Sarah Palin. Thus far, though, the Clintons have remained on the sidelines, with Hillary expressly declining opportunities to attack Palin. This disconnect comes from unhealed divisions from the primaries, ironically in the same vein as the recent Palin meltdown for Team Obama, and is unlikely to be resolved soon:
With the McCain campaign running tactical circles every day around the Obama outfit—which has failed, somewhat unbelievably, to come up with even a semi-compelling response to the Palin selection—one might think Mrs. Clinton, to say nothing of her sidelined husband, would be a useful surrogate on the counterattack right about now. Apparently, the Obama campaign does not agree.
“My concern is that I see them as totally reactive right now as opposed to getting out there on their own and saying what the hell they are about,” said Leon Panetta, a former chief of staff to Bill Clinton who has advised Mr. Obama. “They seem to be intimidated by the Palin pick. They seem to be intimidated by how the Republicans are coming at them on change. And you cannot win if you are constantly on defense.”
Mr. Panetta added, “As president of the United States you are going to have to learn how to deal with people you may not particularly like, because if you are trying to get things done, you have got to use everything and everybody that you can to get it done. I do think that they absolutely in this race have got to make use of the Clintons in every possible way, because they need them. He has clearly got some problems out there.”
That’s the catch-22 for the Obama campaign. As much as he’d like to get a rescue from his present catastrophic nosedive, Obama knows that he can’t ask it of Hillary Clinton. To publicly acknowledge her as his last, desperate hope would be to admit that he shouldn’t have won the primaries in the first place, and that the superdelegates made a huge mistake in selecting him over Hillary. Also, it would look like the ultimate hypocrisy to demand that Hillary become his attack dog after ignoring her for the position of running mate.
Joe Biden has the job of attack dog, anyway. That supposedly was one of the reasons Obama picked him — because Biden would fight where Obama wanted to rise above the fray. So far, Biden’s made an absolute mess of it, insinuating yesterday that Palin didn’t really love her infant son because she didn’t back embryonic stem-cell research, without actually finding out what her position was first.
And why would Hillary feel like lending a hand? Jason Horowitz sums up the problem succinctly:
Either way, the fact that it has taken so long for this discussion about the Clintons’ role to occur—while polls show a sharp shift in support toward the Republican ticket—is a source of wonderment in Clintonland. The consensus there, based on conversations with present and former Clinton advisers, is that the Obama campaign has isolated itself both as a result of its desire to break with the Clintons and establish itself as the future of the Democratic Party, and out of primary-victory-inspired hubris.
Obama wanted nothing to do with the Clintons. He fought against them and beat them in the primaries, although only with the Deus ex Machina effect of the superdelegates. Obama made it clear that they were the past, and he was the party’s future. In fact, when pushing back against the perception that Democrats were weak on defense in his acceptance speech, Obama pointedly ignored Bill Clinton when listing strong Democratic presidents from the past. That was less than two weeks ago, and the Clintons remember slights for years.
Now Panetta wants Obama to hide behind Hillary’s skirts in response to the strong woman on the Republican ticket. Somehow, I doubt that Obama can bring himself to make the kind of admission that requires, which would all but tell voters he’s not ready for the office. And Hillary, with her eyes now on 2012, has little reason to volunteer.









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Obama is reeling?
That’s very funny.
Dave Rywall on September 10, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Say what you want about the Clintons, they know how to practice dirty politics without leaving fingerprints. This is payback that Obama decided he could take Hillary out and still win in November. It’s that arrogance that is costing him now.
highhopes on September 10, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Now if we just had a sex scandal….oh wait that’s right Rev Wright is having an affair….LOL….does it get better than this. Also heard on Hard Ball last night that Palin has met with Gen Petraus back over the summer. So much for the hope that Gov. Palin would not know anything about forgien policy. Looks like she has been studying for months… McCain looks like it had plans for Palin for months…. Makes you wonder if McCain camp can fool Obama and the media what would a real enemy like Putin do to Obama?
unseen on September 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Say what you want about the Clintons, they know how to practice dirty politics without leaving fingerprints. This is payback that Obama decided he could take Hillary out and still win in November. It’s that arrogance that is costing him now.
highhopes on September 10, 2008 at 11:27 AM
And don’t forget that one of clintons great friends is Gov Randell of PA. If the Clintons say so I would not be shock of low voter turn out on the dem side come NOV
unseen on September 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Voters meet Obama. Obama meets Reality. Game over.
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Well, let’s see. He had the entire media on his side. Their policies were so closely aligned that she couldn’t attack him on a whole range of things without attacking herself: higher taxes, drilling, abortion, social programs, earmarks, community-organizer (she was a disciple of Alinsky, who offered her a job). Add the race card used by surrogates such as JJ Jr. and various media flacks, the desertion of 90% of black voters, and you begin to see the picture — without even a nod to sexism.
I’d have to say that the reason he didn’t choose her for VP isn’t because of “change” or that they were the party’s past — it was because Michele Obama hates the Clinton’s guts — for all the wrong reasons. That opened the door for Palin, and Hillary’s not about to help dig him out. Not now, or ever, unless he dumps Biden and begs her to join the ticket. Fat chance.
Nichevo on September 10, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Ed Rendell already said, during the primary season, that the bitter clingers in his state would not vote for a black guy. He’s already called his own constituents racist.
BigD on September 10, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Yeah, that’s a pretty accurate defenition of TheOne!
Seven Percent Solution on September 10, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Oh, the irony…
Liberal Hillary Clinton’s best chance now for becoming president rests with a Conservative Sarah Palin paving the way through the VP’s office in this election.
A McCain/Palin win in November fully legitimizes women in our highest offices, actually legitimizes any woman in our highest office. And this is a very good thing for Hillary should she choose to run again in 4 years.
Lawrence on September 10, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Shrillary has done her part by towing the party line. She’s out. Barry is left on his own. What’s that old saying about influencing friends and enemies?
Here’s a couple of good quotes….
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 10, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Actually, Karma is s shade of lipstick. ;-)
Right_of_Attila on September 10, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Yeah, man, you don’t beard the gods in that party. The Clintons are the equivalent of flesh-eating bacteria. Obama’s cat is as good as dead.
whitetop on September 10, 2008 at 11:42 AM
I posted this on the wrong thread:
The Gloves Come Off
FAIRFAX, VA–At the McCain-Palin rally here in Northern Virginia, a former Hillary Clinton supporter, Lillith Long, just gave a speech in which she raised the issue of Obama’s anti-American former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. Obama and the Democrats were silent, she said, as “Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Father Pfleger openly mocked Sen. Clinton” at Trinity United Church of Christ.
As for Obama’s crowd-pleasing “lipstick on a pig” jab yesterday, the former Hillary supporter said:
Well Mr. Obama–MISTER Obama–calling girls names is something you do in fifth grade and I don’t want a fifth grader running my country.”
Fred Thompson is now hitting the same note: “I think Rev Wright was correct when he said [Obama's] just doing what politicians do” to get elected.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Weblogs/TWSFP/TWSFPView.asp
Cody1991 on September 10, 2008 at 11:46 AM
That’s the bottom line.
tgharris on September 10, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Sounds like Michelle’s kids better be looking at “Plan B”…
Wyznowski on September 10, 2008 at 11:52 AM
grdred:
It’s way too late to dump Biden:
(1) You don’t get do-overs as President. Swapping out Biden for Sibelius is actually an insult to women at this point. McCain/Palin would kill him on this as it would highlight more then anything his lack of experience.
(2) Joe Biden would walk away mighty ticked-off. Sure, he would make the appropriate bows to doing the right thing but he would be getting the word out that Obama is a bozo and that maybe the party would fair better in 2012 with McCain in the White House.
The Democrats have made their bed and now they must lie in it. Despite my earlier irreverent post, they can’t dump the top of the ticket because it would probably cost them the House and they can’t dump Biden. They can only hope for some catastrophe to befall the Country or the McCain ticket. I think is fairly obvious by now that Palin is both qualified and bullet proof. If nothing else, this shows the public which party has the wherewithal to run the country.
jerryofva on September 10, 2008 at 11:53 AM
You may be on to something there. The Republicans, while not always in complete unity and agreement, are not anywhere near as divided and at each others throats like the Dems are this year. I almost afraid to get too confident but if there’s anything that’ll win 2008 for the Republicans it will be the divided Democratic Party. Will that carry on to 2012 as well? Time will tell.
Yakko77 on September 10, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Clinton could not effectively attack Obama on experience, because she has so little her self. She could not attack him on corruption because of her past. She could not attack him on the issues because his stated positions are the same as hers.
And the paranoid anti-military types funded Obama and put him over the top, with the help of the network news.
Count to 10 on September 10, 2008 at 11:56 AM
What does she need to know? She’s running for VP. The only time she’d need to know a foreign leader’s name is when she leads the US delegation at the (leader’s) state funeral!
Seriously though, McCain’s people really need to tread lightly when claiming she has foreign policy creds because Alaska is right next to Russia or that she has national security creds because she’s the CINC of the Alaska National Guard.
highhopes on September 10, 2008 at 11:57 AM
…….. and if the Democratic Power bosses, MSM, and Government Elite Class strike a deal with Hillary to campaign for Obama, I see a new campaign add for McCain/Palin.
Seven Percent Solution on September 10, 2008 at 12:00 PM
…looking.
Count to 10 on September 10, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Oh yes, it’s the furthest thing from the truth.
Hussein bin Biden is at sea baby, at sea.
Akzed on September 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM
I’m not so sure they could legally do either at this point anyway. The conventions do have a business purpose beyond funny hats and boring speeches. The Democrats have essentially told the FEC who their candidates are and I’ve got to think that it takes more than low poll numbers to change that. After all, this close to the election all the states and local officials have to finalize their ballots, print them and get ready for November 4th. That would be impossible if a political party could run “Democrat to be named later” on the ticket!
All that being said, Democrats can’t dump Obama even if there was the political will to do so (there isn’t). Too much time and effort has been expended selling Obama as the best the Democrats have to offer. Short of some major reason like incapacitating illness, the Dems have to ride the Obama train all the way over the cliff.
highhopes on September 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Is that an insult against Virginians?
highhopes on September 10, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Obama… before doing business with the Clintons, you should have read “The Murder of Vice Foster,” by Michael Kellett.
Payback’s a bitch, ain’t it?
(But then, so is the payee!)
VastRightWingConspirator on September 10, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Buyer’s remorse-democrats?
Barack the terrorist or Barack the Presidential candidate?
Lipstick on a pig. Priceless.
eaglewingz08 on September 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM
What’s in it for Hillary to dump on a popular female candidate? Think she’s going to make any friends among females and independents?
Clark1 on September 10, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Stole my thunder. I don’t care what the New Pennsylvania polls say, Obama risked losing that state when he shoved Hillary out of the way.
Maybe Biden’s stance on gun control will help stanch the flow there.
Oh, wait…
GulfCoastBamaFan on September 10, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Yep, I’m hoping we can ride that “joke” all the way to Nov. 5
petunia on September 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Yep, a few more days like the past week, and he’ll be looking at an unprecedented 57-state landslide.
jon1979 on September 10, 2008 at 12:24 PM
If you don’t take out the polls, his bufoon VP and the upcoming debates, you’re right!
Chuck Schick on September 10, 2008 at 12:29 PM
The thing is Palin’s attention to General Patraus is genuine. And so so personal.
Her son is going to war under this man. What mother (or Aunt in my case) would miss the opportunity to look Patraus in the eye and say “the life of my child depends on your competence.”
That is true foreign policy experience.
petunia on September 10, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Would Hillery change her mind if Obama paid her primary bill.. the 20 million odd bucks.. (or close to..)
but then, Obama is kinda cash strapped…
every day an e-mail asking for money..
DaveC on September 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Cue sound…
Tzetzes on September 10, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Things would go much more smoothly if Barry would just write that check for $21 million.
GarandFan on September 10, 2008 at 2:07 PM
Actually, Karma is s shade of lipstick. ;-)
Right_of_Attila on September 10, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Not even gonna ask how you know that. :-)
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM
petunia on September 10, 2008 at 12:34 PM –
When my Marine son deployed to Fallujah, I wrote a short note to Gen Peter Pace, also a Marine, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and said pretty much the same thing.
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 2:29 PM
Because Barry burned that bridge during the primaries.
And that’s just the way we want it. Let’s not awaken a sleeping giant. My worst fear is for the coach to bring her off the bench and into the game.
RMCS_USN on September 10, 2008 at 2:37 PM
rotf lmao!!! So true!
jtpcamp on September 10, 2008 at 3:31 PM
“He’s not reeling. Maybe you’re the one who’s reeling. Ever think of that? Huh?”
Jim Treacher on September 10, 2008 at 3:36 PM
I don’t think this election cycle is anywhere near set in it’s players.
I can easily see Biden dropping out for “health reasons”, allowing for a sympathy bounce, lots of Dem-praising puff-pieces and a call out to Hillary to save the party. Setting up the Obama-Clinton ticket with Obama declaring “This isn’t just about one man. . . ” and “There’s no other person I can say I’d rather have on my side at this moment and under these circumstances.”
Would Hillary go for such a scenario over a 2012 slugfest vs. Palin? I dunno.
I would also expect the calls from the bleachers: “LOOK! Biden has to drop out becase at his age, he can’t handle the stress of the job. Now look at how REALLY OLD McCain is. After all, Matt Damon says there’s only a 1 in 3 that McCain will live through his first term and Palin thinks that Dinosaurs ate Adam’s first wife.”
Are we even out of the first act yet? That’s a semi-serious question.
Jason Coleman on September 10, 2008 at 3:40 PM
The pig that needs the lipstick has become the Obama-Biden ticket. But there’s not enough lipstick.
Aubrey on September 10, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Because Democrats cannot win without the black vote, not even in the primaries. And we all know who locked up the black vote, don’t we?
xblade on September 10, 2008 at 4:11 PM
This is too easy………
Watch your guy on TV the past two days, Drywall. (You have TV up there in Canada, right? ) Watch how he ‘uuhhhhs’ and ‘aaahhhhs’ and whines and pouts like a little girl
That–along with dropping like a stone in the polls–is ‘reeling’. When the Messian finally got some Real & Consistent opposition, he started to fold like a ratty deck chair
Janos Hunyadi on September 10, 2008 at 4:16 PM
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