Video: Particle physicists unleash secrets of the universe, phat beats
posted at 8:29 pm on September 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The switch was thrown this morning and everything’s jake. For the moment.
The only thing fresher than their approach to subatomic physics is their rhymes.
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Reagan wanted to build us one of them thar atom smashers in Texas.
D0WNT0WN on September 10, 2008 at 8:34 PM
And who said particle physicists don’t have a sense of humor.
I guess you got to do something waiting for the God particle.
I hope they learn new, fascinating things about how the universe works.
BacaDog on September 10, 2008 at 8:36 PM
D0WNT0WN on September 10, 2008 at 8:34 PM –
I remember that. The Republicans wanted a collider. The Dems wanted a colonic.
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 8:36 PM
I watched that entire thing. I couldn’t stop. I kept hoping the more they said, I might actually understand some of it. I feel like I should be really excited about what they discovered but I couldn’t actually put words to what it is. I kept hoping a terminator might drop out of a time bubble or something but no..just really bad dancing. Interesting stuff.
austinnelly on September 10, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Kate McAlpine is hot.
Purple Fury on September 10, 2008 at 8:37 PM
I’m glad we didn’t. It’s easier on my pocketbook.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on September 10, 2008 at 8:38 PM
What does Al Gore’s movie have to do with particle physics?
progressoverpeace on September 10, 2008 at 8:39 PM
They just ran a beam around clockwise and then one couterclockwise. The real fun won’t start until October.
Vatican Watcher on September 10, 2008 at 8:39 PM
On the more serious side. The CERN collider set in motion is huge. 100 meters below ground. 25+ kilometers in circumference. Massive amounts of energy to control the particle flow. Wonder if any electronic devices up topside shut down when this was turned on?
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Spend Spend Spend… – Learn Learn Learn…
WildBillK on September 10, 2008 at 8:40 PM
America needs to lead in science. Science, technology, math, innovation, education, etc. Our strength in these areas is just as important as military strength.
D0WNT0WN on September 10, 2008 at 8:40 PM
The site is about 25 miles from where I live.
carbon_footprint on September 10, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Hey, RapMaster Stephen Hawking! He rawks!
snickelfritz on September 10, 2008 at 8:42 PM
D0WNT0WN on September 10, 2008 at 8:40 PM –
This is where that fabled post-Coldwar “peace dividend” should have gone back in the 90’s.
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 8:42 PM
What is that second clip?!
Don’t be ridiculous. If a black hole was created that was large enough to sustain itself, it would only pull in matter close to it. The rest of the Earth would get blasted out into the cosmos by the radiation pressure.
Count to 10 on September 10, 2008 at 8:43 PM
http://www.hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com
Things are looking good.
Keljeck on September 10, 2008 at 8:44 PM
So,the next thing ya know there a beautiful ray of light
eminating out of the Indian ocean,and a gapeing abyss of
a black hole comin out the other end of the planet,and it
occurs to the scientist that somebody screwed up the math!
Over hearing one French scientist;
You know,how should I say,everthing is a perfect!
We have,how you would say in America,under control,
after all,do you think we are El Stupido!!!(Sarc!)
canopfor on September 10, 2008 at 8:44 PM
I forget who it was who said, “The peace dividend…..was PEACE” but that guy was pretty smart. America always needs to be building, growing, striving. America always needs a frontier. That’s part of what attracts people to Palin.
D0WNT0WN on September 10, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Regarding the rap song, see “Meet Evans the Atom, who will end the world on Wednesday,” by Jonathan Petre, the Daily Mail (UK), Sept. 7, 2008 -
I think it’s terrific.
ForNow on September 10, 2008 at 8:46 PM
How about CON-CERN!
canopfor on September 10, 2008 at 8:46 PM
The last thing I want to hear from any of the CERN/Hadron scientists right now is, “Oh, merde!”
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Dang. I was worried for a second!
fiatboomer on September 10, 2008 at 8:47 PM
And you hit on the problem. We’ve been spending all our money on the military, trying to serve as the world’s policeman, while the European countries and Japan have been getting a free ride. We simply don’t have the money to be the world’s superpower, lead in math and science, AND pay for all the Dhimmicraps social programs. We have to make some hard choices — instead of mortgaging the future of our children. It’s basic fiscal responsibility that we are lacking.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on September 10, 2008 at 8:47 PM
By the way, collisions much, much, much larger than what the LHC will do happen continuously in our atmosphere, where very high energy cosmic rays impact on air particles. If LHC had any chance of ending the world, it never would have survived until now.
Unless you believe that the Earth was created, say, yesterday.
Count to 10 on September 10, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Well, at least we don’t have to worry about global warming any more!
nukemhill on September 10, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Respectfully disagree, Cipher. Typically, Congress spent a couple of hundred million and then pulled the plug.
As a result, many science grads have opted for astrophysics or cosmology rather than particle physics as they can possibly have an impact on the science world sooner. Lots of talent in other fields now here in the US.
The collider at Fermi has made many discoveries, but lacks the capacity to carry it to the next level. CERN is the bomb!
Figuratively speaking, I hope.
BacaDog on September 10, 2008 at 8:49 PM
OT: Dennis Miller on Obama’s inability to react to the presence of Sarah Palin:
O’Reilly was speechless. Haven’t seen that happen much.
fiatboomer on September 10, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Bingo.
Spirit of 1776 on September 10, 2008 at 8:50 PM
“They violated my law.”
Heh. I was actually singing along with the chorus by the end of it.
Science is cool.
BadgerHawk on September 10, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Al Gore invented the Large Hadron Collider before or after he invented the Internet?
saved on September 10, 2008 at 8:51 PM
I also enjoyed “Gravity is weaker than weak”.
BadgerHawk on September 10, 2008 at 8:51 PM
52%+ of the federal budget for the past decade or so has gone to social programs. Military spending averaged 15% following the Cold War, post-9/11 now up to 20%. As for non-governmental spending…sending billions overseas to satisfy our energy needs takes a huge hunk away from available private funding for science, let alone government funding for science.
Fiscal responsibility? Sure. But, getting our collective heads out of our butts is sometehing we also need to do.
We are spending far far more on bling than on science.
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Sounds like a good argument against federal spending on social programs and in areas that should be left to the states not an argument against the collider Reagan supported. Also sounds like a good argument for reforming and where possible privatizing our entitlement programs and for the kind of anti-pork policies pushed by McCain. I’m with you on all of that. But I think that government investment in basic research as part of programs like NASA or through the military has been great for our country, our prosperity, and our security.
D0WNT0WN on September 10, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Se penchent et plus de baiser votre ane au revoir.
Tav on September 10, 2008 at 8:54 PM
There’s one of those at Stanford, just north and west of Palo Alto. Maybe if they both ‘accelerated’ at the same time…………
Not to let anyone down, but those are closed systems: So what goes on inside a particle accelerator stays in a particle accelerator, unless you, ummm, screw everything up
Janos Hunyadi on September 10, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Ok, that was funny.
Not as funny as this, but I’m a little biased.
Probably a similar situation with a grad student having too much free time and lots of creativity.
Marine_Bio on September 10, 2008 at 8:56 PM
This would be a great 50’s era Sci-fi movie!
Holy Tabernack,I sinks we have zee problem!ha ha.
canopfor on September 10, 2008 at 8:56 PM
It’s funny watchin’ O’Rielly defend The Dali Bama the past few weeks while tryin’ to get Dali Bama on his show. Now he’s openly defending The Dali Bama….too funny…
DfDeportation on September 10, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Now we know where Joel and Mike from MST3K worked.
cy13 on September 10, 2008 at 8:57 PM
Tav on September 10, 2008 at 8:54 PM –
I believe that is the final instruction in the Hadron “in case of emergency” manual.
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 8:57 PM
Okay. Let’s talk turkey. You find a way to ban the legal profession from suing doctors and hospitals, privatize social security, dismantle the public school system and privatize education, execute all convicted felons, and eliminate all of the other entitlement programs, FIRST.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on September 10, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Um,what if,a magnet falls off or sumpin like dat!
or,theres sabotagey!!!
Signed, conCERNed!!
canopfor on September 10, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Damn! I was kind of hoping the world would end. Now we have to watch Uuuuuuhbama and the dems go insane for the next couple of months. Then we gotta listen to them bitch and moan about how the MESSiah was cheated for four years, and what the dems have to do to win.
thekingtut on September 10, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Dan Brown wrote about this in “Angels & Demons”, published in 2000. See pictures at his web site.
See the movie next May. I got to play a cardinal next to Ron Howard’s dad, Rance. Lots of fun. Remember, it is FICTION.
fred5678 on September 10, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Nice song, its going to take awhile to learn the lyrics.
Maxx on September 10, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Really? Hmm…
vcferlita on September 10, 2008 at 9:06 PM
I keep hearing Bond music and expecting Soros to ask calmly for 1 quadrillion bucks….
sven10077 on September 10, 2008 at 9:07 PM
As long as we lead in military science, everything else is moot. So what if Europe discovers the “God particle?” We still have the military hardware edge over the rest of the world.
m064404 on September 10, 2008 at 9:10 PM
The Stanford Linear Accelerator (SLAC) was built back in the 60’s. It is a linear accelerator, as opposed to the circular LHC.
fred5678 on September 10, 2008 at 9:10 PM
You have an interesting screen name, mind sharing the significance?
Oldnuke on September 10, 2008 at 9:10 PM
And Space. This happened to great effect on The Simpsons. (Watch episode here.)
Tzetzes on September 10, 2008 at 9:13 PM
And Jim McMahon wept.
Editor on September 10, 2008 at 9:14 PM
But will it blend?
Maxx on September 10, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Scientific research leads places you never imagine. Much of our most amazing current military technology was the result of basic research completely unrelated to the military or to any specific practical purpose. Groundbreaking science will always pay off and often in ways we cannot predict. Seriously, leading in science is as much a national security issue as energy independence.
D0WNT0WN on September 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Trou noir donne un nouveau sens.
BacaDog on September 10, 2008 at 9:16 PM
What do you mean the atmosphere is heating up,
I know,will put the blame on DARPA!!!
canopfor on September 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM
What bugs me about all this, and I have read some..
The positive reports seem to be coming from the same
MSM that promotes the global warming cause.
As ole Al e. Newman said..
What, me worry?
JDM3 on September 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM
why didn’t they just ask Obama?
flyoverland on September 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Something to chew on:
In short, Doc. Brown doesn’t believe that either Dark Matter or Dark Energy exist, but was created [in the minds of scientist] to preserve the Big Bang theory.
If Brown is right, all this expense by the Euros to build this thing is wasted because what they are looking for does not exist. So just maybe its best we didn’t build it after all.
Maxx on September 10, 2008 at 9:37 PM
wow! that singer like blinded me with science, coolio
custer on September 10, 2008 at 9:39 PM
In defense of Dr. Brown…
Where did that first particle come from? You know, that little teensy weensy thing that started the “Big Bang?”
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Yes, I think Dr. Brown is probably correct. Another question to ask about the supposed big bang is what caused the “singularity” to explode in the first place?
You know, bodies at rest tend to stay at rest.
Maxx on September 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Maxx on September 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM –
A bunch of really really big space aliens playing marbles one afternoon? /s
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
The power of the ‘Verse is cool.
Maquis on September 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
That’s as good an explanation as any offered by science so far.
Maxx on September 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Yo!
All you biznitches gots ta check out da Hawk Man. Who do Hawk Man? Why, it’s none other than gangsta rapper MC Stephen Hawking.
E = mc Hawking
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 10, 2008 at 9:53 PM
biological minds cannot comprehend an infinte God
flyoverland on September 10, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Yeah, but watch out for those strangelets. If the collision produced any, they’re just now getting to work on devouring Earth.
Don’t buy any green bananas. ;-)
flipflop on September 10, 2008 at 9:55 PM
For the answer to this question read Isaac Asimov’s short story The Last Question.
Oldnuke on September 10, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Stephen Hawking has promoted global warming too.
He also is one of the CERN promoters.
I think they call it Hawking Radiation theory.
Black holes just evaporate? right?
I so want to be led around by my nose.
No One Knows.
The head dude in control of this haldron project has been quoted sayin tat.
JDM3 on September 10, 2008 at 10:03 PM
clever video. I’m looking forward to what they can discover.
aikidoka on September 10, 2008 at 10:11 PM
It’s worse than anyone thought! Run for your lives! Aaaaaaagh!
Benaiah on September 10, 2008 at 10:15 PM
So I went to the link you posted and what’s the first thing I see:
If Hawking is that dense concerning character, how smart can he be otherwise. Not very in my opinion.
Maxx on September 10, 2008 at 10:15 PM
But its EUROPE! Bring it home to Fermilab!!!
dm60462 on September 10, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Reminds me of School House Rock
mindhacker on September 10, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Only a one in fifty million chance of something going terribly wrong.
Thats why a few lawsuits have been filed against this.
Someone wins the lottery with worse odds, everyday.
JDM3 on September 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Sounds crackpottish. You don’t need the Big Bang to to realize there’s a dark matter puzzle. And it’s not such a weird idea, that there are particles that interact only gravitationally. There’s plenty of analogous precedent, such as neutrinos that don’t feel the strong force and so on.
And if you want to dispense with the Big Bang, you have to come up with another explanation for things like the background radiation and the observation that about 15 billion years ago, everything we see seems to have been in the same place. You can’t just dismissively throw out the word “mystical” and call it a day.
Splunge on September 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Oldnuke on September 10, 2008 at 9:58 PM –
Only 53 years to go…
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Maybe they can slam some intelligence into the crippled minds of liberals…I have a dream.
trs on September 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Ah, yes, I remember it well. 1996. Got my first Mac and dialup connection. The tweenage son and I had hours of fun with Simple Text, making crank calls and other harmless shenanigans.
Good times.
Terrie on September 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Splunge on September 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM –
Which is why we need to put more effort into the sciences, not less.
As Maxx said…in response to my big big space aliens playing marbles…”good as explanation as any.”
I add…”for now.”
We’ve only touched on an a tiny tiny bit of the knowledge of the universe. We can’t just jump on a one-theory bandwagon, like the global warming community has done.
Don’t kids ask that wonderful question when they look at the night sky? You know. “Why?” Seems from my vantage point kids seem to want to ask more often — “what?”
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Emphatically agreed. But there will always be frontiers where we know little, where the opportunities are, and things that are pretty darned close to settled. For example, it would probably not be highly fruitful to pursue the idea that acceptance of Quantum Electrodynamics is flawed, just because it could be characterized as “jumping on a one-theory bandwagon.” Within its declared scope, it’s settled, wrapped up, verified a million ways to Tuesday. Not proven. Proof is for mathematicians. But sufficiently verified to declare success.
Splunge on September 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM
I’m sure he’s heard that before. But he points out many problems with the big bang and of course the big bang is a highly invested theory that no one wants to seriously challenge because its been the standard model for so long. In this respect, he’s a breath of fresh air. But scientist are showing signs of rebelling against big bang because it has too many problem.
My favorite, I already stated above, what caused the singularity to explode? Seems to me they should have theorized some way that could have happened before investing so heavily in this theory. To date, nobody seems to know, yet they continue down this path for lack of any explanation that science is willing to accept.
No matter what side of the fence you’re on, his site is a good read.
Maxx on September 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM
We are all going to die. Here’s a quote from the (For the moment)article linked:
If you recall the science class you had in 4th grade. Amoebas aren’t animals (They are of the kingdom Protista, not Animali). For a scientist at the top of his field not to know that is like the equivalent of most people not knowing an ass from an elbow. If he’s the one with his finger on the button…
We
Are
Screwed!
Micheal on September 10, 2008 at 10:51 PM
NERD ALERT!
ballz2wallz on September 10, 2008 at 10:56 PM
I suppose I shouldn’t have been shocked by the domain name, but I was. I think we’re well out of the realm of science here, but I don’t begrudge his right to defend his religion. I just happen to believe that science is not an attack on it.
Splunge on September 10, 2008 at 10:57 PM
For the answer to this question read Isaac Asimov’s short story The Last Question.
Oldnuke on September 10, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Think I’ll go back and just read Hello Kitty stories to my grandduaghter…
Still pondering the imponderable. Think I need to ask one of the college students down the street for a doobie.
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Splunge on September 10, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Oh yeah, its a creation site, I should have mentioned it. But I wouldn’t scoff to quickly, his credential are pretty good and listed on the site under, “About the Author.” The story about his education and background below that column is also interesting.
Maxx on September 10, 2008 at 11:11 PM
:-) I’ll stick with beer and an occasional usquebaugh. Just remember that there are no mystical or unnatural events only natural events that haven’t been explained yet.
Oldnuke on September 10, 2008 at 11:16 PM
anyone have the vid of michio kaku on fox this morning? He ripped congress for not funding Reagan’s collider.
superdave on September 11, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Sorry, late to class……….
Fixed it for ‘ya…………….
Seven Percent Solution on September 11, 2008 at 12:59 AM
That was phat. They dropped some serious knowledge, yo.
CP on September 11, 2008 at 1:04 AM
Can’t you just see it, the next Obama press conference, someone from the back asks……………..
Mr. Obama: “uuhhhhhh, ummmmmm…….. I uhhhh, think…. ummm…. uhhhhhh, where’s my teleprompter? Does it wear lipstick?”
Seven Percent Solution on September 11, 2008 at 1:04 AM
Ask the Kaiser, Hitler and Tojo how that worked out for them…
Conspiracy theories like this show complete ignorance of how science actually works. Finding even *one* solid piece of evidence that seriously challenges the big bang theory or the standard model of particle physics = endowed chair in a building named after you at the university of your choice, Nobel Prize, and a blank check for research grants the rest of your career.
But other than that, um, yeah, nobody wants to challenge the standard model…
LagunaDave on September 11, 2008 at 2:19 AM
It’s not really on yet, since the first month of operation is just function checks, and I’m pretty sure the help desk for this think isn’t in India. I wouldn’t look for it to be on schedule, since this is most certainly a one off product.
The controversy about God vs. The big bang theory. I can’t think of any event described in science that more closely resembles a biblical depiction. God created the universe, and bang there it was.
DFCtomm on September 11, 2008 at 3:34 AM
Fixed.
DFCtomm on September 11, 2008 at 3:35 AM
I’m not an expert, but since it takes large amounts of mass to sustain a black hole, then yeah I would assume an artifical one would just evaporate miliseconds after it was formed, since it has no actual mass. I think the real particle you’re looking for in this scenario is a strangelet. If they managed to form one of those then it might destroy the earth, but I get most of my science from star trek so what do I know.
DFCtomm on September 11, 2008 at 3:45 AM
I bet a buddie of mine a $100 that this LHC would destroy the universe. So if that damn oversized particle accelerator turns the entire cosmos into spaghetti I’ll be a hundred bucks richer.
Who says us wingnuts aren’t smart?
infidel65 on September 11, 2008 at 4:55 AM
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