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Paglia to Democrats: Stop being the party of dogma

posted at 9:00 am on September 10, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Camille Paglia takes Democrats to task over their treatment of Sarah Palin and offers a cogent diagnosis of their hysteria — a desperate grasp on their pro-abortion dogma.  Palin challenges their ossified view of women and power, and sees her not as a threat to legal abortion, but as someone who can reveal just how intellectually and morally bankrupt their own ideology has become.  Paglia points out the flaws and wonders just when Democrats became the party of lockstep thinking:

What I am getting at here is that not until the Democratic Party stringently reexamines its own implicit assumptions and rhetorical formulas will it be able to deal effectively with the enduring and now escalating challenge from the pro-life right wing. Because pro-choice Democrats have been arguing from cold expedience, they have thus far been unable to make an effective ethical case for the right to abortion.

The gigantic, instantaneous coast-to-coast rage directed at Sarah Palin when she was identified as pro-life was, I submit, a psychological response by loyal liberals who on some level do not want to open themselves to deep questioning about abortion and its human consequences. I have written about the eerie silence that fell over campus audiences in the early 1990s when I raised this issue on my book tours. At such moments, everyone in the hall seemed to feel the uneasy conscience of feminism. Naomi Wolf later bravely tried to address this same subject but seems to have given up in the face of the resistance she encountered.

If Sarah Palin tries to intrude her conservative Christian values into secular government, then she must be opposed and stopped. But she has every right to express her views and to argue for society’s acceptance of the high principle of the sanctity of human life. If McCain wins the White House and then drops dead, a President Palin would have the power to appoint conservative judges to the Supreme Court, but she could not control their rulings.

It is nonsensical and counterproductive for Democrats to imagine that pro-life values can be defeated by maliciously destroying their proponents. And it is equally foolish to expect that feminism must for all time be inextricably wed to the pro-choice agenda. There is plenty of room in modern thought for a pro-life feminism — one in fact that would have far more appeal to third-world cultures where motherhood is still honored and where the Western model of the hard-driving, self-absorbed career woman is less admired.

I’m not sure that Paglia makes an ethical case for abortion, either, which gives an indication that perhaps there is none to be made.  She admits that abortion is murder, but that since Nature murders on a massive scale in order to improve species, then abortion is some sort of stand against Nature’s “fascism”.  Women didn’t ask for the ability to get pregnant before they were born and have the right to rebel against the burden, apparently even to the point of killing “concrete individuals”, as Paglia admits embryos and fetuses are.

Given that argument, it doesn’t take long for any number of rationalizations for violence to achieve acceptance.  If women can kill babies as a legitimate protest against the “fascism” of biology, then why can’t William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn plant bombs at military bases to kill soldiers at a dance, if they find the “fascism” of the United States offensive?  Radical Islamists can easily rationalize murdering thousands of Americans for their “cultural imperialism”, rather than just devise a superior culture that would compete without slaying everyone else.   Ethnic supremacists of every stripe can justify murders of any kind, and even Hitler gets off the hook if he really believed in Jewish cabals and conspiracies.

Once we start believing that one human life holds less intrinsic value than another, this is the path we tread.

Beyond that, though, Paglia makes important points about the hysteria of the Democrats in confronting Palin.  Democrats have attacked Palin in a fashion that resembles the witch trials of the seventeenth century, and why?  Because she is viewed as a heretic.  Democrats believe that women should have a pre-approved set of beliefs, which Paglia describes as a secular religious code.  They have stopped listening — and thinking — and instead slapped eight coats of sealant on slogans from the 1970s.

Unfortunately, this reaction has revealed the religious fervor of the party in protecting this dogma.  The ugliness of the attacks from people like Gloria Steinem, who claimed that Palin was only genetically a woman, has given middle America a very good look at the hatred festering beneath their veneer of multiculturalism and diversity.  Democrats talk about tolerance, but have zero tolerance for anyone who deviates from the settled doctrine.  Not only do they oppose such people, but they actively demonize them and pillory them publicly with all manner of invective, true or otherwise.

We’ve seen this happening with Democrats for decades, especially in their treatment of conservatives from minority communities.  Paglia’s a little late to the game, frankly, but it’s interesting that she finally recognized it with Sarah Palin.  I wonder how many other people have had a Road to Damascus moment with Democrats at the same time.


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Liberalism is a nature cult with abortion as its sacrament.

sven10077 on September 10, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Say what you will – Camille Paglia is SMART – when she speaks the Dems would be wise to listen.

I love her column – never miss it.

jake-the-goose on September 10, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Uh oh. I think Ed just called the feminizis dogs. Question: was it intentional?

BigD on September 10, 2008 at 9:04 AM

Paglia points out the flaws and wonders just when Democrats became the party of lockstep thinking:

I believe Goldberg wrote a book about this very thing.

Liberal Fascism.

RobertInAustin on September 10, 2008 at 9:05 AM

But I can’t call the people I know who have had abortions murderers, and I won’t allow anyone to call them murderers.

mymanpotsandpans on September 10, 2008 at 9:05 AM

But I can’t call the people I know who have had abortions murderers, and I won’t allow anyone to call them murderers.

mymanpotsandpans on September 10, 2008 at 9:05 AM

depends on the circumstance and timing….what is inarguable is the dustbin baby perps as murderers and Barry ran legal interference for them.

sven10077 on September 10, 2008 at 9:07 AM

“Once we start believing that one human life holds less intrinsic value than another, this is the path we tread.”

That’s it in a nutshell, Ed. The Left indeed believes that one human life holds less intrinsic value than another.

The logical progression of this is fascism…and Big Brother is reborn.

All of the Dem/Left vaunted programs involve the state making all the decisions for the individual. Thus, the individual is merely a cog in the state machinery. All done for the best of reasons of course, but done nevertheless.

And they call conservatives fascists?

coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 9:08 AM

coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 9:08 AM

Well said Coldwarrior.

jake-the-goose on September 10, 2008 at 9:10 AM

I’m not sure that Paglia makes an ethical case for abortion, either, which gives an indication that perhaps there is none to be made.

I’d say she as much as admitted it. Her argument for abortion seems to be that since a woman has an inviolate right to her own body, then that right gives her the right to do unethical things as they relate to her body.

I have to say it’s at least an honest argument. And it’s the truth of what they all really believe. This was a great read.

Typhoon on September 10, 2008 at 9:11 AM

Camille Paglia is someone every one should pay attention to, because she is generally right about this kind of stuff she gets it.

But Republicans and Conservatives, loving Palinmania, need to keep the eye on the ball. This election is far from over and Obama still leads on electorial votes.

Also, the danger of lipstick, beyond it getting on your shirt collars and not coming off wine glasses in the dish washer:

Barack Obama’s pal Bill Ayers said this yesterday via a bizzare cartoon: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/in-a-not-remote.html

Now if you go back to Ayers September 11, 2001 New York Times interview about bombing Ayers actually said this:

”I don’t regret setting bombs,” Bill Ayers said. ”I feel we didn’t do enough.” Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970’s as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all (and Bill Ayers wonders how we could have made the connection between bombing and not doing enough)

Yet yesterday, Barack Obama was still claiming to Bill O’Reilly that Bill Ayers is just a guy from his neighborhood who is a teacher. Here’s News Hounds giving the spin from Team Obama’s perspective. http://www.newshounds.us/2008/09/09/barack_obama_can_now_add_bill_oreilly_to_his_dubious_associations_list.php

The fact is Obama had a lot more connection to Ayers that is being let on, Ayers helped him get jobs, they served on a board together for several years and Ayers helped promote Barack Obama in the Chicago Democratic Machine (early on when Obama was an outsider in Chicago). Why is this not getting more attention? http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/21/why-the-obama-ayers-connection-matters/

Mr. Joe on September 10, 2008 at 9:12 AM

I stand four square against her political ideas. But the woman stand on principle.d I can respect that. But one thing is absolutely true: she is sane. And that is something that few of her feminist compatriots can lay claim to.

Warner Todd Huston on September 10, 2008 at 9:13 AM

But I can’t call the people I know who have had abortions murderers, and I won’t allow anyone to call them murderers.

mymanpotsandpans on September 10, 2008 at 9:05 AM

Pardon me, but I believe that you missed the most important consideration. It doesn’t matter what you call them. It doesn’t matter what Camille Paglia calls them. It doesn’t matter what I call them. It doesn’t even matter what my stupid dog calls them.

My collie says:

The important thing is, what does God call them?

CyberCipher on September 10, 2008 at 9:13 AM

And it is equally foolish to expect that feminism must for all time be inextricably wed to the pro-choice agenda. There is plenty of room in modern thought for a pro-life feminism

Ironically, many pioneering feminists, such as Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony, were anti-abortion.

Bigfoot on September 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM

There’s no doubt the Democrat Party is a quasi-religious system of dogma — and when they disown their believers, it’s as ugly as the Inquisition.

Now today is a major feast day for the Democrat Party.

Do you know what today is?

September 10th.

Today, every devout Democrat chants “September 10th forever.”

jeff_from_mpls on September 10, 2008 at 9:19 AM

And it is equally foolish to expect that feminism must for all time be inextricably wed to the pro-choice agenda. There is plenty of room in modern thought for a pro-life feminism

If ever the liberal mind were free to question their own dogma then they know that the experience would lead some (the more rational of liberals) to arrive at a place they are loath to go: Conservatism.

They simply cannot have that.

mustng66 on September 10, 2008 at 9:24 AM

But I can’t call the people I know who have had abortions murderers, and I won’t allow anyone to call them murderers.

mymanpotsandpans

There they go again using “how dare you call abortionists murderers” two step to cloud the killing of innocent people. Why not take a step back and see the killing of the baby as the great injustice and evil moment. Put this childish arguement “how dare you call me a murderer because I have the right to choose” in the garbage pail instead of the aborted baby. A dead baby is the tragedy, not calling the killer a murderer. If one kills a pregnant woman, one is charged with killing two people.

For a baby to die in an abortion mill, someone had to kill her or him, someone had to pay for it and someone had to say “sure, kill it.”

saved on September 10, 2008 at 9:26 AM

The Left is indeed very tolerant. For instance, the USSR would conquer any nation it could regardless of race, color or creed.

Akzed on September 10, 2008 at 9:27 AM

A leftist with brave intellectual integrity. How refreshing!

sinsing on September 10, 2008 at 9:27 AM

I have always be fascinated by Camille Paglia’s brain. She is an intellectual giant as far as I’m concerned. I’m not really interested in what she’s interested in but every time I read her, I am very impressed.

Metro on September 10, 2008 at 9:29 AM

I’m not really interested in what she’s interested in but every time I read her, I am very impressed.

Metro on September 10, 2008 at 9:29 AM

I agree 100% Metro – Ms. Paglia is a GREAT writer. Politics aside – everyone should make a point of reading her column.

jake-the-goose on September 10, 2008 at 9:31 AM

She really nails it on the Democraps problems. I find it interesting how the pattern keeps repeating with respect to the Dems presidential nominees, they say the definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over again and expecting somehow the results will be different one of these times.

JimK on September 10, 2008 at 9:32 AM

Mr. Joe on September 10, 2008 at 9:12 AM

Good post. What’s the deal with the Annanburg [sp] papers? Haven’t heard a word about that topic lately. Weren’t the papers supposed to bring to light the Obama/Ayers connection once and for all?

BacaDog on September 10, 2008 at 9:32 AM

The other side is, in fact, beginning to have an epiphany… Here, is a more deliberate analysis:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/09/maybe-maybe-we-drank-the-kool-aid/

singlemalt_18 on September 10, 2008 at 9:32 AM

But I can’t call the people I know who have had abortions murderers, and I won’t allow anyone to call them murderers.

mymanpotsandpans on September 10, 2008 at 9:05 AM

That is the difference between the left and right. The right feels for the decisions that were made, though they disagree with them. Though they may believe it is murder, they would not call someone that because it does not help.

The left, takes people who defend themselves, and calls them cold blooded murders, Haditha.

I am sure there are lots of examples where the left demonizes others, where the right, they forgive, and are then called hypocrites.

WoosterOh on September 10, 2008 at 9:33 AM

Paglia points out the flaws and wonders just when Democrats became the party of lockstep thinking:

As long as I can remember?

Bob's Kid on September 10, 2008 at 9:34 AM

Democrats talk about tolerance, but have zero tolerance for anyone who deviates from the settled doctrine.

Big tent, but only one way in.

BacaDog on September 10, 2008 at 9:35 AM

There is plenty of room in modern thought for a pro-life feminism — one in fact that would have far more appeal to third-world cultures where motherhood is still honored and where the Western model of the hard-driving, self-absorbed career woman is less admired

Did she really just say that? So in other words, pro-life feminists are akin to barefoot, poor, ignorant women who are on par with 3rd world countries?

She just did, what she hammered teh DNC for….lol.

Anybody else catch this?

TheHat on September 10, 2008 at 9:38 AM

I just forwarded this article to my sister, (the lib) who’s first and only opinion of Sarah Palin was, “No, she’s against abortion and thats all I need to know”. I know it won’t change her opinion of Palin, but it is tremendous food for thought.

anniekc on September 10, 2008 at 9:39 AM

intrude her conservative Christian values into secular government

This is the problem with arguing what Catholic dogma has to say about abortion. The issue with abortion is not a religious one for the US government. The issue with abortion is that it is murder. If murder is against the law, then so should abortion.

You can’t make the argument that ‘God is against it’ in a secular government. You can’t say that ‘the Vatican condemns it in the 13th sabatical’ . . . or whatever ‘religiously legal’ argument you want to make about it.

It isn’t a conservative Christian value that murder should be outlawed. . . and yet, because of how SOME Christians approach the abortion issue, abortion becomes a ‘conservative Christian’ issue.

I can argue many laws that claim to be ‘conservative Christian’ with secular logic. Prayer in school – first amendment. Display of the 10 commandments in courts – it is artwork designed to invoke thoughtfulness on the law, not a call to a religious entity.

I know that Catholics will once again claim that I’m just bigoted against Catholics. But while you want to exclaim your Vatican purity when arguing politics and political points, America was not made for religious laws and edicts to be forced upon the society.

Abortion is murder. Murder is illegal. Abortion should be illegal. It doesn’t matter what any religion says about it according to the law.

ThackerAgency on September 10, 2008 at 9:42 AM

Once we start believing that one human life holds less intrinsic value than another, this is the path we tread.

Just ridding the ReichRepublic of the Lebensunwertes Leben, what could go wrong…

elgeneralisimo on September 10, 2008 at 9:44 AM

But I can’t call the people I know who have had abortions murderers, and I won’t allow anyone to call them murderers.

mymanpotsandpans on September 10, 2008 at 9:05 AM

They’re not. The law of the land allows the practice. The problem is that the law of conscience, which is God-inspired and predates all written law, doesn’t make that same allowance. Abortion is a child’s death, and that can be crushing to the woman who chooses it.

jackmac on September 10, 2008 at 9:59 AM

Unlike liberal feminists, Paglia gets it.

Liberalism is a nature cult with abortion as its sacrament.

sven10077 on September 10, 2008 at 9:03 AM

So does sven10077.

petefrt on September 10, 2008 at 10:00 AM

Liberalism in America:

Lockstep
Rigid
Intolerant
Hateful
Willingly blind
Frigid
Racist

Yes, American Liberalism–an ideology of inversion.

Montana on September 10, 2008 at 10:01 AM

“If Sarah Palin tries to intrude her conservative Christian values into secular government, then she must be opposed and stopped.”

This is utter nonsense. So if Christianity teaches that stealing and murder is wrong, then she cannot further those values?

What she cannot do is insert Christian religion into government; her values direct her public service and the fact that they come from Christianity has no bearing on whether she can further them.

There is an Amendment protecting her right to do so.

DavidM on September 10, 2008 at 10:02 AM

***

Once we start believing that one human life holds less intrinsic value than another, this is the path we tread.

***

I wonder how many other people have had a Road to Damascus moment with Democrats at the same time.

Applause. These, among too many other observations in this piece, are why we come to Hot Air and why Ed makes the big money.

BuckeyeSam on September 10, 2008 at 10:03 AM

I’m not sure that Paglia makes an ethical case for abortion, either, which gives an indication that perhaps there is none to be made.
ED

…she does take pains to balance abortion with capital punishment. Both are unnatural deaths, make what you want of it.

I think that does point out that abortion has become the touchstone of the Left, though, and in that she’s right.

Like her or dislike her, Camille thinks things through for herself. Being a critic of popular culture (as in her fascination with the repulsive Ms. Ciccone), she seems to have a good handle on fashion, as she doesn’t let the drivel of intellectual fashion influence her.

All in all, this essay ranks among her best. Evenhanded and interesting, it seemed over-long at first, and ended with me wishing she’d've said more. That’s the sign of a good writer…you don’t want to put her down.

She’s an atheist lesbian Yankee, and I’d give almost anything to spend an hour in her company discussing almost anything…even Madonna…she’s effortlessly interesting.

Puritan1648 on September 10, 2008 at 10:09 AM

I’ve always respected Paglia, too, even when I disagreed with her.

I don’t recommend doing this, but if you ever have the misfortune of reading HuffPo’s columns by novelist Jane Smiley and playwright Eve Ensler, you’d be shocked at the contrast between them and Paglia. Hate-filled childish screeds are their specialty, now served up with an extra layer of deranged sexism. You might expect this from Ensler, but Smiley is a pretty good novelist, and her political columns reveal her to be a rigid, narrow-minded hater.

juliesa on September 10, 2008 at 10:12 AM

Montana on September 10, 2008 at 10:01 AM

Hey neighbor, I’ve posted some thoughts brought to us by one of our Senators here in Montana. Both Baucus and Tester have gone to DC supposedly to represent Montanans, but have made it very clear that they both went to DC to represent the DNC and tote the Liberal line 100% of the time. While Montanans are busy demanding drilling for oil everywhere possible, our Libtard Senators are busy flipping us the bird while trying their best to become the “darlings” of the Pelosi-Reid crowd. Baucus is up again in November, and I have yet to hear a thing from the Republican opponent. How bout you?

Democrats said a series of economic reports expected in the coming weeks would help Obama refocus the public’s attention away from McCain and Palin and their personal biographies and back to the struggling economy.

“Their strategy was fine for a convention period,” Buck said. “The problem for them is that we’re moving into the debate phase and I believe that the Republicans have left themselves with a strategic weakness.”

Senator Max Baucus, a Montana Democrat, said his party could regain the advantage as quickly as the Republicans had.

“In politics, a week is a long time,” Baucus said. “A lot can happen.”

Keemo on September 10, 2008 at 10:17 AM

Jump, Camille. It’s the moral courage thing, baby. You’re almost, almost there..

Halley on September 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

I’ll just paste-in what I’ve concluded about Ms Camile in my Buzz into just now:

Camile Paglia is always perceptive and intellectually honest in her analysis, unless and until the subject matter inevitably shifts to Madonna, where upon, I can only conclude, her pornographic mind takes over and she becomes like Roger Ebert waxing poetic on Chesty Morgan.

Nyog_of_the_Bog on September 10, 2008 at 10:21 AM

How sloppy of me. Thats intro not into.

Nyog_of_the_Bog on September 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM

But I can’t call the people I know who have had abortions murderers, and I won’t allow anyone to call them murderers.

mymanpotsandpans on September 10, 2008 at 9:05 AM

After reading the other posts… my stance is probably going to be unpopular… but…

IMO the true basis of biting sarcasm is that it must hold both some thruth, and the person must be guilty of that whatever the subject is.

IF you believe that Live begins at conception, then it is a logical step that these are discreet human beings.

Knowingly killing human beings, with malice of forthought, is considered murder, unless done in a wartime setting…

So, unless we have a War on against OUR OWN CHILDREN, then yes, logicly, it is murder.

And I might add, that just like sarcasm, that accusation would not mean anything, and you would not protest that accusation so much, if you did not feel there was a kernal of truth to that accusation…

Romeo13 on September 10, 2008 at 10:27 AM

As long as liberals maintain the status quo, the future looks brighter to those who choose to pro-create:

Conservatives Out-breeding Liberals —-Lipstick is optional.

Rovin on September 10, 2008 at 10:37 AM

juliesa on September 10, 2008 at 10:12 AM

You might expect this from Ensler, but Smiley is a pretty good novelist, and her political columns reveal her to be a rigid, narrow-minded hater.

Indeed. Moo is wonderfully insightful critique of academia from someone who’s been there. I was quite shocked and surprised when I read some of her non-fiction work.

Farmer_Joe on September 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM

I know that Catholics will once again claim that I’m just bigoted against Catholics.
ThackerAgency on September 10, 2008 at 9:42 AM

Not only are you a bigot, you are obsessed with injecting anti-Catholic rantings into every discussion. Hateful. Get a life.

Connie on September 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Paglia has impressed me in the past but I couldn’t past her support for Obama because he will bring “expansive thinking, fresh ideas and a cosmopolitan worldview.” The first two claims are empirically ridiculous, and the third, while I suspect I know what it means, is a lazily tossed-off buzzword. Her opening rationale for Obama is pretty sloppy, as well as riddled with the implication that he is a man without core strength being poorly advised.

rrpjr on September 10, 2008 at 10:49 AM

I guess Sarah’s punishing Uhbama with a baby. The values debate is on. Great post.

Mark30339 on September 10, 2008 at 10:50 AM

But I can’t call the people I know who have had abortions murderers, and I won’t allow anyone to call them murderers.

mymanpotsandpans

So, are you going to call them community organizers? You can’t take away someone’s guilt by redefining what they have done. And many women and members of their families have guilt related to abortion. And this is one of the great weaknesses of the Democrats in this area: they are unwilling to accept and address raw human facts that they find inconvenient. It basically misunderstands the nature of human psychology to ignore the consequences of the act of abortion. The proponents of abortion are engaging in childlike magical thinking when they try to ignore the effect on the woman having the abortion. And to try to turn it into an argument about whether someone is going to be called a murder is emotional blackmale that refuses to look at the subtlies of the situation created by an abortion.

snaggletoothie on September 10, 2008 at 11:19 AM

The Party of Lockstep Thinking assumed that bent-over position in the run-up to the Civil War.

I doubt any of their members remember which party supported the “right” to own slaves (transmuted today into a right to terminate the lives of unwanted children), and how that party supported that purported “right” to slavery?

unclesmrgol on September 10, 2008 at 11:21 AM

Keemo on September 10, 2008 at 10:17 AM

I agree, our politicians have been a failure. Tester is a poser. Mr. San Fransico Treat.

I wasn’t too concerned about the loss of Sen. Burns though. When his re-election flyer arrived in my mail box, it dismayed me with its 100% focus on terrorism. Yes, that concerns me as well, but he was supposed to represent Montana in the National circle, not reiterate Bush’s foreign policy.

I knew he would lose at that moment, and he deserved to lose. I wanted to hear how he would represent us, not how he would act as President.

We need a representative of Montana, not a poser like Tester who is more interested in party politics in Nancy Pelosi’s house.

Montana on September 10, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Great post. And Paglia is brilliant. That’s why the feminist establishment hates her.

PattyJ on September 10, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Romeo13 on September 10, 2008 at 10:27 AM

Why on Earth would that be unpopular?

The slaughter of the innocent – murder.
Slaughterers of the innocent, therefore – murderers.

Not the best way to win an argument (”Shut up, murderer!”), as I’ve learned, but A is A, as Aristotle would say.

Love Paglia, even though we (quite rightly) disagree.

Starlink on September 10, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Yeah, I thought of the intro to Godless, especially after the “sacrament of abortion” comment I read.

emailnuevo on September 10, 2008 at 11:49 AM

Ms. Paglia is intellectually honest enough to admit that unborn children are human and that to abort them is homicide. Where she tranforms into rationaization is when she says that abortion is justified because nature “murders” on a massive scale.

Nature doesn’t “murder” anything. Nature is not an entity. nature neither thinks nor wills. It cannot act intentionally. Descartes says “I think therefore I am”. Nature, therefore “is not”.

Nature cannot have fault and cannot be guilty. humans, on the other hand, make decisions. We think. We do things by our own volition.

Thus, while the death of an unborn child by an act of nature is sad, it carries no fault. This is qualitatively different than a person making a conscious decision to kill someone, either pre-natally or post-natally.

It is for that reason that Pagia’s explanation, though an honest admission, is horrendous.

Blaise on September 10, 2008 at 12:16 PM

If I’m not mistaken, many early feminists like Susan B. Anthony were adamantly opposed to abortion. They felt it allowed men to exploit women sexually.

rokemronnie on September 10, 2008 at 12:34 PM

I’d say she as much as admitted it. Her argument for abortion seems to be that since a woman has an inviolate right to her own body, then that right gives her the right to do unethical things as they relate to her body.

I have to say it’s at least an honest argument. And it’s the truth of what they all really believe. This was a great read.

Typhoon on September 10, 2008 at 9:11 AM

Ms. Paglia’s argument here is libertarian. You either own yourself (including your body, obviously) or you don’t. She believes that you do own yourself and you have the ability to control your reproduction, which is seen as a personal and private matter.

eanax on September 10, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Yup, either the right to live is inalienable as stated in your Declaration of Independence, or it’s not. If it’s not then everyone’s right to live is subject to challenge before the Supreme Court and can be struck down. Second to go are the comatose whose families don’t want to support them (see Schiavo), then the disabled, and then it moves into those deemed genetically undesirable. Seen it all before.

Gaunilon on September 10, 2008 at 1:10 PM

There is nothing libertarian by ignoring the rights of the baby. Either that or libertarianism means only what is currently convenient.

DavidM on September 10, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Ms. Paglia’s argument here is libertarian. You either own yourself (including your body, obviously) or you don’t. She believes that you do own yourself and you have the ability to control your reproduction, which is seen as a personal and private matter.

eanax on September 10, 2008 at 12:42 PM

While you do own your body, you also can’t use your property to harm someone else.

MarkTheGreat on September 10, 2008 at 1:22 PM

If I grabbed someone off the street, tied them up and tossed them into my living room. I would not be justified in shooting them because they refused to leave my house.

MarkTheGreat on September 10, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Great analysis, Ed. I’d read the same article and didn’t realize that, though Paglia has the guts to confront the cognitive dissonance, she still has a ways to go in her thinking.

John the Libertarian on September 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Yup, either the right to live is inalienable as stated in your Declaration of Independence, or it’s not.
Gaunilon on September 10, 2008 at 1:10 PM

This is the typical response that is given by those who deliberately contort the meaning of the Declaration of Independence. It’s impressive and shows a lot of self-discipline to twist the Declaration of Independence’s meaning with such ease. Really.

In the Declaration of Independence it states: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

You do know that these words above are referring to the treatment of people by a tyrant. Life, in the infamous passage above, refers to rejecting the idea that the King could order the taking of your head with a flick of the wrist. Liberty refers to not being imprisoned without due process of law, a fair hearing in a court and so forth. And the pursuit of Happiness refers to engaging in commerce or profession with minimal, if any, interference from government.

Folks, the Declaration of Independence is NOT a legal document. It embodies the spirit of why the Founders chose to separate from Great Britain. The U.S. Constitution is our country’s founding legal document. You all know this, right?

eanax on September 10, 2008 at 3:18 PM

There is nothing libertarian by ignoring the rights of the baby. Either that or libertarianism means only what is currently convenient.

DavidM on September 10, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Do you own yourself? If yes, then how and when you procreate is your business and no one else’s business.

And, no, I don’t support public funding of abortion.

eanax on September 10, 2008 at 3:21 PM

There is nothing libertarian by ignoring the rights of the baby. Either that or libertarianism means only what is currently convenient.

DavidM on September 10, 2008 at 1:22 PM

No, libertarianism means freedom. It’s about having control over your own life and having the ability to choose or not choose to procreate, for example.

eanax on September 10, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Her argument for abortion seems to be that since a woman has an inviolate right to her own body, then that right gives her the right to do unethical things as they relate to her body.

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I reject the argument that a woman is doing to her own body, when she has an abortion. Aproximately half the race is male. Do women have penises? No. So, is it a woman’s body when the fetus is male? Other similar arguments can be made.

AnotherOpinion on September 10, 2008 at 3:51 PM

The ethical case for abortion generally involves:
1) Completely ignoring the humanity of the contents of the womb.
2) Talking a lot about feelings.
3) Saying the baby was better off not being born.

AbaddonsReign on September 10, 2008 at 5:20 PM

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