Biden: Hey, you know who might have been a better pick for VP than me?
posted at 5:33 pm on September 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Say it with me. Eagleton.
And so, with this, the number of Americans who don’t think Hillary would have been a smarter pick stands at one. Serious question: If Palin aces the Charlie Gibson interview and McCain bounces out to, say, an eight-point lead, does Obama decide that Biden needs to spend more time with his family, swap in Her Majesty, and launch the gender politics clusterfark to end all clusterfarks? It’d have to be done before the VP debate on October 2; they wouldn’t want to miss the chance to draw the contrast with Palin and cement the substitution in the public’s mind by not having her in place already for an event as high profile as that. Even more serious question: If Obama’s imploding, why would Hillary agree to come aboard? Better to let McCain finish him off and then skip to the nomination in 2012. Still more serious question: If McCain had chosen Palin before Obama picked his own VP, is there any doubt who the choice would have been? And the most serious question of all: What is this tool doing telling audiences Obama should have gone with Hillary? Is there any conceivable strategy behind that? A feeble ploy for the PUMAs, maybe, or just Biden being Biden?
Update: Biden said repeatedly during the primaries that Obama wasn’t qualified to be president. Turns out he was right:
Barack Obama’s judgment was that Joe Biden was the best possible vice presidential candidate.
Joe Biden says he’s wrong.
This was Obama’s first major decision as a would-be president.
He got it wrong.
Update: “I don’t think Palin would be seeing these kind of gains if Hillary was on the ticket… When Obama picked Biden, it gave Republicans an opening, and they are taking full advantage of it… The question is: How long will it last?”
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That would make Obama the candidate that had to be saved by Hillary, that’s assuming she could even help at this point. I don’t think it will happen, but not for the reason above but because I don’t think Obama can stand Hillary. I think Obama would rather lose than spend four years in the White House with Hillary. I know I would.
Maxx on September 10, 2008 at 5:54 PM
HAHHAHAHHAHA Clinton told Obama to shove his offer
William Amos on September 10, 2008 at 5:54 PM
and promptly loses….ballots needing redone etc etc etc all because donks can’t be bothered to be sane?
They can play those games in New England not in America as a whole.
sven10077 on September 10, 2008 at 5:54 PM
He CAN’T do it! Shows desperation and poor judgement, which was the very thing he was supposed to have in spades (racist comment). Then again he actually picked Biden in the first place. To quote Rush “oh please oh please!!!!!”
Then again, we better be careful what we wish for as it might just come true. If Biden stays, Palin will make short work of him. Less than 8 weeks but it is still an eternity! Oh the humanity!
J.J. Sefton on September 10, 2008 at 5:54 PM
“clusterfark”
I love that word, almost as much as “poseur.”
Mr_Magoo on September 10, 2008 at 5:55 PM
That is so true. At some point in Obama’s political career, some one told him to never, ever admit to being wrong…never even say it. I think he took it to heart. How else can you explain his waffling on the Iraq surge?? If that isn’t an example of being completly wrong, I don’t know what is. And yet he can just prattle ‘It worked better than anyone thought’ crap and not even blink.
BigWyo on September 10, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Obama can’t drop Joe. “Obama Bin Biden” just looks too good as a bumper sticker.
DrDeano on September 10, 2008 at 5:55 PM
November 4th.
Dusty on September 10, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Apparently, The One has implemented his own Operation
ChaosTrainwreck.BTW: Where’s alphie?
Mr_Magoo on September 10, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Given Joe Biden’s admission that Hillary would be a better pick, I wonder what Bonasera Obama will talk to the Godfather…I mean Bill Clinton about tomorrow?
Will Obama ask Bill Clinton to be his friend? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_-UJtZwjRI
Mr. Joe on September 10, 2008 at 5:56 PM
and doesn’t Soros hate the Clintons?
tehd on September 10, 2008 at 5:56 PM
How could he actuall say that out loud? Whatever the context, for Joey Boy to say that Hillary was a better choice tells me that BHO has bad judgement.
If BHO did throw Joey under the bus, and try to pick another VP doen’t you think that people would realize that this man has absolutly no judgement?
Mercy4Me on September 10, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Boy AP, you can really turn a phrase.
peski on September 10, 2008 at 5:56 PM
I’m laughing my eyelashes off!
Mr_Magoo on September 10, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Implosion or not, we can’t nurse this one into the locker room. Encourage ten friends to vote in Nov.
Mr._Chumpo on September 10, 2008 at 5:57 PM
He has flopped over on taxes and many other things – why not this? What’s one more chunk of integrity under the bus?
DrDeano on September 10, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Anyone else notice the cough Biden’s developing. Gee, he’s looking a little green around the gills too. I bet he might need to spend time in the hospital and have to step down.
And Hillary is washing her hair that month. I wonder if Geraldine Ferrarro might be available. . .
rbj on September 10, 2008 at 5:57 PM
still laughing…..I can not believe anyone would say something this stupid. Rush was going off on Biden today and had drumrolls about his stand up comment. i can just picture what he is going to do with this statement…
unseen on September 10, 2008 at 5:57 PM
If Barry dumps Greasy, then I guess it shows that his JUDGMENT TO LEAD truly…SUCKS.
Keep up the good work, Barry!
Rick on September 10, 2008 at 5:57 PM
inspecting light fixtures with a special harness….
sven10077 on September 10, 2008 at 5:57 PM
This is going to be interesting.
I think Barack would have to publicly so that even though Hillary is technically the vice presidential candidate, he intends to govern with Hillary as an equal. The Co-Presidency. Even at that, I think Hillary would not want to do it, especially if she is uncertain that she and Barack would win.
Of course, at this point, putting Hillary back on the ticket would be an obvious pander.
JudetheFossil on September 10, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Yeah…offers you the second seat when it’s all beer and skittles, Joe, and you jump on it. Now, your potential boss appears to be stumbling, and it’s to the lifeboats, every man for himself?
Just an off-hand remark, surely. It’s all useless speculation…but it is fun….
Joe — who’s been strangely off camera ever since Denver — knows that he’s stuck with the Shyster from ChiTown around his neck….
Hillary wouldn’t touch this turkey with a ten-foot brickbat. Imagine her showing up to elbow Little Barry off the stage, the “savior of the party”, all raised eyebrows and pants-suits and sincerity faked to a “T”. That’d be a real contrast: the most ersatz woman in the world vs. a rather genuine woman who is as unlikely to knuckle under as anyone in the entire Clinton family.
Bring it on, DNC.
Puritan1648 on September 10, 2008 at 5:58 PM
And this guy is just one election away from possibly being a heartbeat away from the Presidency?
The horror, the horror I say. So obvously inexperienced, he has kids, he’s married, he goes to church. What is this country coming to?
Hog Wild on September 10, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Absolutely, Mr. Chumpo. You can bet your bippy they’re gonna turn out in force.
BacaDog on September 10, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Very nice!
Spirit of 1776 on September 10, 2008 at 5:59 PM
exactly. If Biden goes, it’s over. Like McGovern, Obama was going to lose anyway. Ditching Biden would just make it a Turkey Shoot
Meanwhile, Biden’s Amazing Stupidity is the perfect match for Obama’s Astonishing Incompetence
Janos Hunyadi on September 10, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Biden might be stupid but atleast he is smart enough to know he sucks.
TheSitRep on September 10, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Is this how a President Obama and a Vp Biden would handle the pressure?? Me thinks this would be a problem….
anniekc on September 10, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Speaking of clusterfarks, will Olby’s head explode or implode? Will Chrissy-poo change the name of his show from Hard Ball to Spit Ball?
These questions and more on As the Worm Turns.
Mr_Magoo on September 10, 2008 at 6:00 PM
first BHO gets beat by a girl on national televison in front of 40 million people. Now Biden says he isn’t as good as a girl.
This is not sexist well maybe it is but if BHO and Biden don’t watch out they are going to be called wimps and lose the White male and latino male vote as well as the white women vote.
unseen on September 10, 2008 at 6:00 PM
I’ve been trying to find out, and it looks like its up to STATES as to how late Bambi could change his VP pick… how late they will lock their ballot… I know that its happened in tha past where it was too late to change out Senator and such…
Its also really weird as to HOW they would do it… even if Biden bowed out, who gets to make the decision seeing as how the DNC were the ones, at the convention, who nominated Biden.
So, if Biden is on the Ballot, but not running, could Hillary even get the VP slot? or would that make PELOSI the VP?
Romeo13 on September 10, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Brings to mind a quote from one of the best movies ever made:
You fargin sneaky bastage. I’m gonna take your dwork. I’m gonna nail it to the wall. I’m gonna crush your boils in a meat grinder. I’m gonna cut off your arms. I’m gonna shove ‘em up your icehole. Dirty son-a-ma-batches. My own club!
peski on September 10, 2008 at 6:01 PM
You know who this benefits?
Mitt Romney.
lorien1973 on September 10, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Good one.
That there’s some helluvagood strategery.
hillbillyjim on September 10, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Ralphy is talking to the Obamas. He’s next in line after Hairplugs.
Mr._Chumpo on September 10, 2008 at 6:02 PM
George Costanza: All right, I’m outa’ here!
Mr_Magoo on September 10, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Silly. Because if she were VP in January, she wouldn’t have to wait four years to be President. The Clintons are masters of using scandals to bring others down.
inviolet on September 10, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Yeah, that would be a very cruel thing to do. Deprive us all of that. Don’t be cruel, Obama.
wise_man on September 10, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Rove will start circulating the Eagleton rumor by COB today.
Mr_Magoo on September 10, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Biden should of used the “Im new to this” line like he did yesterday for the man in the wheelchair.
WoosterOh on September 10, 2008 at 6:04 PM
I’m going with the obvious here.
logis on September 10, 2008 at 6:04 PM
[BigWyo on September 10, 2008 at 5:55 PM]
Not true. Obama is cravenly egotistical enough to be the first presidential candidate in history to tell the nation his judgment is so pathetic that he needs to switch his VP out and pick another, after the Democratic National Convention that voted to approve it, and call that Hope, Change, Yes, We Can, or whatever.
Dusty on September 10, 2008 at 6:04 PM
Barry’s campaign appears to be racing towards nuclear self destruction as fast as he can…
Wyznowski on September 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM
More seriously here is your McCain ad:
lorien1973 on September 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM
There is a lesson in all of this I hope McCain learns. Obama ignored his base when he passed on Hillary and things are going badly for the Obama camp.
On the other hand, McCain listened to his base and things are going well for him. I hope McCain remembers that things go better when you listened to your base.
Maxx on September 10, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Baracky will just dump Biden and nominate himself as veep; a man as talented as him doesn’t need some flunky sidekick.
Bishop on September 10, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Would she be co-president or (to paraphrase Chris Matthews’ characterization of our VP candidate) sorta kinda like a first lady – VP hybrid?
Y-not on September 10, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Wyznowski on September 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM
I noticed that but I can’t figure out why. the public polls still show a realitive tight race, there are 4 debates left to go. 8 weeks is a long time. BHO should not be in panic mode yet. Maybe it is money drying up or maybe internal polls show something the MSM is not telling us. I don’t know but I see no reason for BHO to panic yet. He took a knock he only needs to get back up and continue the fight yet he isn’t he is running and hiding and lashing out like a 5 yr old. It makes no sense.
unseen on September 10, 2008 at 6:08 PM
She would also be a better pick than Biden.
AZCoyote on September 10, 2008 at 6:08 PM
You’re mixing party rules & procedures with the Constitution’s rules of succession in office. McGovern dumped Eagleton in 1972 after less than two weeks, with no real noise from the Dems
Up to a certain point, political parties are private organizations which can change their rules at will. Their problem here, as others have noted, is state laws and practices. With less than two months to go……
Janos Hunyadi on September 10, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Internal polls I think look very bad for Obama. The youth vote is collapsing and the women are going to McCain. As are indepedents. I haven’t seen a good Obama poll since the R convention.
lorien1973 on September 10, 2008 at 6:09 PM
McCain doesn’t listen to anybody but the little voices in his head, but he’s one hell of a panderer.
Fletch54 on September 10, 2008 at 6:11 PM
Compared to Obama? That’s pretty much all he’s ever done.
What Bill Clinton was best at was using the liberal media. They may love Obama in the romantic sense, but they would LOVE to have Bill play them like a fiddle once again.
Obama is as clumsy as Hell. The lipstick on a pig line was a major screwup; it completely derailed his “I’m a good little boy; I keep telling those media types to quit being so gosh-darned mean, but they won’t listen to me!” strategy. Bill would never have screwed up like that. (At least not in his prime anyway. Since the stroke, he’s not the same.)
logis on September 10, 2008 at 6:11 PM
Biden has my sympathy now. There is no way he is less qualified than Clinton, but she has the name recognition and the correct genitals. He like everyone else sees what is going on. It is not him who should be dropped from the ballot.
Clinton would not accept the VP nomination because she knows Obama would lose McGovern style because Obama would be seen as unfit to lead the country.
pedestrian on September 10, 2008 at 6:11 PM
Where can I lay down some money on “Biden suffers serious health issue”?
rockhead on September 10, 2008 at 6:13 PM
Well, you just knew at least one of them would show up. Somebody get the Raid…..
BigWyo on September 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM
ORCA JUST GOT IBS.
marklmail on September 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Internal polls I think look very bad for Obama. The youth vote is collapsing and the women are going to McCain. As are indepedents. I haven’t seen a good Obama poll since the R convention.
lorien1973 on September 10, 2008 at 6:09 PM
You might be right. All I know is the reaction from the Obama camp is WAY over done based on public information. So something is either not being said or BHO is an idiot. I can see both being true. So just not sure what to say. If he is just an idiot then that would be a reason to not vote for him. If the polls are that bad then that will drive more people away. So it looks like he is in a no win sit at the moment. Best thing he could do right now is go quiet and go do some fundraising. Cite 9/11 and not campiagn for a couple of days and regroup.
unseen on September 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Biden, can you say, “Litvinenko”?
urbancenturion on September 10, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Dear sweet merciful Lord, I hope so.
With Congressional approval ratings in single digits (and still falling, no?) after her assuming leadership of the House, she would be a great addition to a ticket that’s headed by a “zero”.
Harpazo on September 10, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Did you read that before you posted it?
logis on September 10, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Occam’s Razor, my man.
Vashta.Nerada on September 10, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Hillary will not touch Obama. Mary Landrieu? Claire McCaskill?
Theworldisnotenough on September 10, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Obama meeting with Billy Jeff tomorrow to discuss how to dump Biden in favor or Her Majesty?
I hope they don’t give Joe a ‘Ron Brown’ send off.
DrW on September 10, 2008 at 6:16 PM
InTrade would be a good bet.
Harpazo on September 10, 2008 at 6:17 PM
Hillary isn’t about to take the VP slot. She’s right where she wants to be…in position to run on ‘12. If she jumps on with Obama, she’ll never have a shot at the Presidency.
orlandocajun on September 10, 2008 at 6:17 PM
No matter what, dem strategy is dem strategy. Hillary or not, they would have used the same (and maybe worse) tactics, and the outcome would be the same. Maybe even worse for the dems…the contrast between Hillary and Sarah may have been even more devastating to the dems.
Bill would have stuck his nose in the mess and Palin would have shot back with “if he was my husband, he would be nothing more then moose stew when I got through with him”…
right2bright on September 10, 2008 at 6:19 PM
You know what Obama needed before taking 9/11 off from campaigning?
Swinegate and Biden sticking his foot in it. 2 days of that. Sound like fun for Obama?
I didn’t think so.
lorien1973 on September 10, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Sorry if I wasn’t clear, it was two seperate points, on two seperate things…
One point is that Obama does NOT get to pick his VP in a vacuum. Even if they go along with his selection, I’m sure there are rules in place that must be followed to make Hill the new Democrat VP Nominee… I’ve been trying to find the DNC rules but I can’t seem to find them online… interestingly enough.
Key is that this would take time… even if Biden would bow out…
Then you would have to do all the state stuff to get her name on the ballot…
So, IF things get hosed up, we could potentialy have a situation where there WAS no real Democrat VP pick if this happens too late…
Romeo13 on September 10, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Um, game over?
This is huge!
How can either of them possibly recover from this?
WisCon on September 10, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Other than blogs, and maybe Hannity, it’ll never be reported.
lorien1973 on September 10, 2008 at 6:21 PM
The dems have no message except America sucks, is racist, and is downright mean!
SouthernGent on September 10, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Anything is possible , but just imagine what Barry’s life will be like if he dumps Biden, chooses Hill and possibly wins? Oy! That is one scary scenario, a psychodrama in the making worse than the Clinton years.
Barry will have two angry women on his back both hating each other, both vying for more influence. OMG!
Just the thought of all the screeching and whining is the stuff of nightmares. lol
Cody1991 on September 10, 2008 at 6:21 PM
He won’t dump Biden, but they could manufacture a reason for Biden to resign: health, family crisis, or he goes into a coma for a few days. The situation is desperate no matter what and Republicans just need to take this time to hold to their guns and religion and watch the dems take another hit, hopefully in congress too.
Iceman on September 10, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Speaking of which….
Since Obama is now in full-meltdown-mode, McCain/Palin need to start working on the down-ticket elections–especially the Senate. Any Dems up for re-election need to be targeted (politically, of course), even if they are “long-shots.” Of course, any damage that can be done to the House would be great, as well.
It needs to be a real team effort. McCain is certainly loathe to be a team member, but since he is now the team-lead, he needs to bear a little responsibility.
urbancenturion on September 10, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Pass the popcorn. please!!
vinllo on September 10, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Here’s a thought: most of us have been approaching this from the position that Obama would be trying to get rid of Biden — but what if this is less prepping for a new VP (for the sake of Obama) and more Biden positioning himself to abandon the sinking ship of the Obama campaign (for the sake of Biden)?
Biden’s also still running for his Senate seat; he may be starting to think that a continued, comfortable tenure in the House of Lords is preferable to being linked to a POTUS candidate that’s rapidly becoming a trainwreck.
Harpazo on September 10, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Mark Levin is talking about this now.
Cody1991 on September 10, 2008 at 6:28 PM
I’m not so sure, the VP pick was Obama’s most important decision as a candidate, and if that pick is openly questioning his judgement, he’s gotta go…but then it destroys Obama’s only real issue: “judgement to lead”. This is a gaffe of epic proportions! It has to be covered!!!
WisCon on September 10, 2008 at 6:28 PM
If I only had a dime for everytime Barry or Biden do something and someone screams “the election’s over!” I’d have alot of dimes.
Chuck Schick on September 10, 2008 at 6:29 PM
If Obama does ditch Biden, we get to play the clip of Rudy at the convention over and over again, saying (about the vice presidency) “Get it in writing.” Delicious.
RINO in Name Only on September 10, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Lloyds of London will not underwrite Obama’s life insurance with Hillary as VP.
TheSitRep on September 10, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Dang! Maybe Joe is trying to get himself knocked out of the VP slot before the debate.
aikidoka on September 10, 2008 at 6:30 PM
I do see Biden’s remark as a pander to offended women. See? See?
We don’t really hate the wimmins. We respects Hillary, for instance, so that’s one. (Top drawer, that one.) Just not that piggy one with the lipstick.
SarahW on September 10, 2008 at 6:30 PM
Not sure where to plug this in but this is one of the best commentaries I have seen from either side as to what Obama and the Democrats are doing wrong…and have been doing wrong since the beginning of summer…simply put, they just don’t “get it.”
From RadarOnline…not exactly a blog firmly in the Conservative camp.
Basically, if Obama continues to campaign as he has been, especially since the end of the Denver Convention and the Obamasiah Coronation, Obama loses.
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 6:30 PM
That’s right — Hilary wants the top spot, not second-fiddle to a guy whose losing badly now. He’ll stick with Biden. Which is what we want after all :)
Richard Romano on September 10, 2008 at 6:30 PM
FUBAR’ed
custer on September 10, 2008 at 6:31 PM
They are immune to Raid. For this kind of pest you need extra-strength Troll-B-Gone™
ManlyRash on September 10, 2008 at 6:31 PM
Has anyone seen that movie ‘Killer Clowns’? Just thinking out loud.
Sporty1946 on September 10, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Ha! Biden still feeding the McCain camp clips for TV ads!
Tzetzes on September 10, 2008 at 6:32 PM
At the convention Rudy told Biden to the job offer in writing. Seems people have been thinking this way for sometime. If Obama does it he is cooked as it would look like a cheap trick. Even if Biden has “health” issues think most people will call it a stunt and dismiss Obama all together. The only way Biden can get out with grace is by death and he ain’t gonna do that for Bambi….
Engrpat on September 10, 2008 at 6:33 PM
Maybe if O! touched Hillary’s knee, she’d accept.
Ugly on September 10, 2008 at 6:33 PM
news flash Obama just stepped into it again.
There’s no doubt that she has been a phenomenon,” Obama continued. “I mean, as somebody who used to be on the cover of Time and Newsweek — those were the days, I had a recent offer with Popular Mechanics, centerfold with a wrench,” he said to laughter. “Look, she’s on wild ride and there’s no doubt that she has energized the base. ”
Can anyone say ENVY?
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_on_Letterman_Palin_is_lipstick_McCain_policies_are_pig.html?showall
unseen on September 10, 2008 at 6:34 PM
Say it with me, commenters: rapier.
Ouch.
Serious question – serious answer: yes.
Jaibones on September 10, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Yeah, they’ll fire him for Foot-
andin-mouth disease.Entelechy on September 10, 2008 at 6:36 PM
Maybe I am becoming a cynic, but I wonder if all this lipstick controversy and now the non-abortion qualification is a way for Obama to deflect the now growing reality to the masses of his earmarks.
He’s been railing about the bridge to nowhere and his fingerprints are all over it.
tru2tx on September 10, 2008 at 6:36 PM
If the internal polls start showing that congressional seats may be up for grabs, Pelosi and Reid step in.
They care more about their jobs then Baracks. They will sacrifice the Pres. position to hold onto control of congress.
In the next two weeks (and probable Monday after the Gibson interview), if the polls are even more weak for the Dems. The sacrifice begins…
The other major concern is the drilling for oil. If the dems pull some “fast ones”, and the Republicans can explain and call them out on it, the dems will be so busy back-tracking that Obama will not be that important.
right2bright on September 10, 2008 at 6:36 PM
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