Biden: Hey, you know who might have been a better pick for VP than me?
posted at 5:33 pm on September 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Say it with me. Eagleton.
And so, with this, the number of Americans who don’t think Hillary would have been a smarter pick stands at one. Serious question: If Palin aces the Charlie Gibson interview and McCain bounces out to, say, an eight-point lead, does Obama decide that Biden needs to spend more time with his family, swap in Her Majesty, and launch the gender politics clusterfark to end all clusterfarks? It’d have to be done before the VP debate on October 2; they wouldn’t want to miss the chance to draw the contrast with Palin and cement the substitution in the public’s mind by not having her in place already for an event as high profile as that. Even more serious question: If Obama’s imploding, why would Hillary agree to come aboard? Better to let McCain finish him off and then skip to the nomination in 2012. Still more serious question: If McCain had chosen Palin before Obama picked his own VP, is there any doubt who the choice would have been? And the most serious question of all: What is this tool doing telling audiences Obama should have gone with Hillary? Is there any conceivable strategy behind that? A feeble ploy for the PUMAs, maybe, or just Biden being Biden?
Update: Biden said repeatedly during the primaries that Obama wasn’t qualified to be president. Turns out he was right:
Barack Obama’s judgment was that Joe Biden was the best possible vice presidential candidate.
Joe Biden says he’s wrong.
This was Obama’s first major decision as a would-be president.
He got it wrong.
Update: “I don’t think Palin would be seeing these kind of gains if Hillary was on the ticket… When Obama picked Biden, it gave Republicans an opening, and they are taking full advantage of it… The question is: How long will it last?”
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He could never do it. Dropping Biden would tank him.
I love Joe!
lodge on September 10, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Who thinks he becomes lost on his way to next weeks campaign events and the VP debates?
JP1986UM on September 10, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Mark Levin is right. He really is the dumbest man in the Senate.
D0WNT0WN on September 10, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Biden takes one for the team in 3…2…1…
Fletch54 on September 10, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Oh, that Joe!
The Torricelli option is now in play.
lorien1973 on September 10, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Rotflmao…..way to strive for party unity there “Scranton”….
look even if she does join the damage is done.
“Good luck”.
sven10077 on September 10, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Can you change your VP nomination for a person?
I have no clue and would like to know.
upinak on September 10, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Hillary won’t take it. If Obama dumps Biden, Obama is finished.
So, go ahead, Obama. Make our day.
coldwarrior on September 10, 2008 at 5:37 PM
That is an excellent question.
nailinmyeye on September 10, 2008 at 5:37 PM
He is probably setting up Hillary to join Obama on the ticket.
PUMAS want Hillary on the top of the ticket. Why would Hillary be so stupid as to join Obama? Let him grovel and show the lib party what it is like to be in your pantsuit.
jencab on September 10, 2008 at 5:37 PM
More importantly, is there any room left under the bus?
lodge on September 10, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Biden being Biden.
BrianBoru on September 10, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Is that why Hillary’s holding back on support? Waiting until 0 begs her to be vp?
Quisp on September 10, 2008 at 5:38 PM
wow, just wow.
lan astaslem on September 10, 2008 at 5:38 PM
That may just be true but they are soooooooo desperate.
They’ll do any thing to stop the hemorrhaging.
TheSitRep on September 10, 2008 at 5:38 PM
It’s called the Democratic Lautenburg Option. They can and will do whatever they want up to and including Election Week.
JP1986UM on September 10, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Recreate ‘72!
lorien1973 on September 10, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Why would she join? She wants the top spot anyway – the best way to get that is to have Obama lose the “can’t lose” election for the Democrats and to try again in 4 years.
bnichols10 on September 10, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Is that some real trial balloon or another example of the complete lack of an editing function between Joe’s brain and his mouth?
Clark1 on September 10, 2008 at 5:38 PM
I wonder what Bonasera Obama will talk to the Godfather…I mean Bill Clinton about tomorrow?
Will Obama ask Bill to be his friend? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_-UJtZwjRI
Mr. Joe on September 10, 2008 at 5:38 PM
The Hildabeast is very happy right where she is, thank you.
Cicero43 on September 10, 2008 at 5:39 PM
I suspect “Scranton” doesn’t really want to win. He just told America, “Barry and whomever are nuts for picking me”. He *may* have been trying to compare and contrast her majesty and the Arctic Fox but what he did was highlight Barry’s ego. Hillary! also has as little, and arguably less FP xp than Sarah.
sven10077 on September 10, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Here it comes…
Change hits the Dems’ VP pick.
But what does it show?
1. Inability for Obama to commit
2. Inability to make a concrete decision
3. Inability to make a qualified judgment
4. Inability for Obama to be loyal
5. Obama’s inability.
‘Nuff said.
madmonkphotog on September 10, 2008 at 5:39 PM
What happens if Obama offers it to her? She seems extremely cold to him right now. Do you think she would bail Obama out?
And if she did get on the ticket, how much would it change the dynamic?
And if Obama’s camp thought that they could get her on the ticket, why would they still be freaking out?
Spirit of 1776 on September 10, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Why does this remind me of Caddyshack when Rodney’s losing huge to Smails, drives a ball into a tree and gets hit in the arms.
“Ooooh!!!!! My arm!! It’s broken!!! Match is a draw!!!”
Chuck Schick on September 10, 2008 at 5:39 PM
allah can get better video here
ttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/26646147#26646147
William Amos on September 10, 2008 at 5:40 PM
If bho did think for nano second to putting hc as vp, the dear bho wifeee would have a stoke and the bedroom would be, dear I say, Iceland.
L
letget on September 10, 2008 at 5:40 PM
I hope hillary just laughs in his face
offroadaz on September 10, 2008 at 5:40 PM
Obama won’t do it. His own arrogance and hubris prevents him from admitting fault.
CurtZHP on September 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Joey B. is living in an alternate universe, or something…
Still, I smell an Eagleton coming on, and it’s making me nervous!
It’s making my pessimism meter re-align with Allah’s; because I don’t think it would really hurt O! that bad…In fact it would help!
I have to keep tellin’ myself; there’s no way she’d accept, there’s no way she’d accept…
RocketmanBob on September 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM
I’m not reading much into this. Biden is stupid and has a huge ego. When he said Hillary is more qualified then he is, he just wanted somone to scream “WHAT ARE YOU TALKING AOBUT JOE??? THAT’S JUST CRAZY”
BuckNutty on September 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM
This seems to be Biden pandering to Hill supporters more than anything, plus a little of his normal stupidity mixed in.
That said, I’d say Eagleton is unlikely. I don’t think Hillary ever wanted to be VP, she just wanted the courtesy of being vetted.
Why would she want to be VP when she can be Prez four years from now?
eski502 on September 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Watch out for that bus Joe!!
Griz on September 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM
I, for one, am starting to like Biden.
frankj on September 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Most PUMAs have said they will not vote for the Dem ticket as long as Obama is on it. They won’t vote for him even if Hillz was the VP.
BostonBeatnik on September 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Looks like they’re trying to find a way to put the toothpaste back into the tube…after having brushed! This would be the beginning of the end, for sure!
stonemeister on September 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM
That’s what “accidents” are for, silly!
lorien1973 on September 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Oh the red meat!
If Obama cans Biden and goes Hillary–what will all the Dems say who accuse McCain of choosing Palin for purely political reasons?
And talk about massive flip flops!
I just wish I could have been a fly on the wall when Obama picked Biden in the first place…
“Ya, ya, uhh, Joe Biden, that’s uhh, a good, umm idea, uhh, umm.”
Montana on September 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Biden’s one of the few things Barry hasn’t flipped on. Looks like he’s on deck.
flyfisher on September 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Anybody remember the SNL skit where Ross Perot drove James Stockdale way out in the country and left him there? If I were Biden, I’d take my cell phone along if Obama suggests “a little ride in the country.”
My cat says:
Barack is from Chicago. A cell phone wouldn’t help him at the end of that ride.
Kafir on September 10, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Smokin’ Joe Biden is goin’ down.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on September 10, 2008 at 5:42 PM
She will eat this doofus moron’s lunch!
I predict it will be the most watched debate in history.
No matter what they think she’ll do or say, she’ll surprise them.
TheSitRep on September 10, 2008 at 5:42 PM
I tend to agree with Fletch here. What if the pause in his speech is Biden looking for the words as he purposely lays the groundwork for backing out?
LastRick on September 10, 2008 at 5:42 PM
This is being dangled so that conservatives can then start to attack Hillary thereby chasing women back into the waiting arms of O. Tactical. Nice try.
Matticus Finch on September 10, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Hillary getting on the ticket with an Eagleton option? She’ll try to do it through a Toricelli option.
Nosferightu on September 10, 2008 at 5:42 PM
I don’t think Hillary would do it.
Terrye on September 10, 2008 at 5:43 PM
It’s coming…..Obama will ask The PantSuit to be his VP……….wait for it………
FiveWays on September 10, 2008 at 5:43 PM
You can’t make this crap up…..lol i’m just sitting here actually laughing so hard I might piss myself…
unseen on September 10, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Her campaign starts 1/21/09.
JammieWearingFool on September 10, 2008 at 5:43 PM
What, does he want to energize conservatives even more? Plus, the women Palin attracts she’ll hold no matter what. She’d contrast great with the richie Hillary Clinton.
eski502 on September 10, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Now hold on here just a sec….Didn’t the Democrats come up with their Super Delegate plan to avoid another McGovern embarrassment? Well, that’s working out real well so far.
Do they now need to come up with a Super Uber Delegate system to pick their VP? I mean, they can’t let the lowly peons in their party decide on who their candidate will be…and now they apparently can’t let the candidate, chosen under threat of being SuperOverturned by Super Smart Party Honchos, choose his/her own running mate???
Well Done DemoTards!!!
BigWyo on September 10, 2008 at 5:43 PM
It would be funny if Biden was kicked off the bus, only to have Hillary reject the VP spot. Yep, that’d bring a smile to my face… and then waiting for the magical text again would be delightful.
El_Terrible on September 10, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Meanwhile Biden was in Missouri receintly thanking Eagleton
Funny how that happened
William Amos on September 10, 2008 at 5:44 PM
http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=639287
still around 5.0
sven10077 on September 10, 2008 at 5:44 PM
OT: Three new state polls out today move John McCain a bit closer to Barack Obama in the Electoral College. New Mexico moves from “Leans Democratic” to “Toss-Up,” North Dakota moves from “Leans Republican” to “Likely Republican” and Alaska moves from “Likely Republican” to “Safely Republican.”
Mr_Magoo on September 10, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Yup.
So did Hillary.
wise_man on September 10, 2008 at 5:45 PM
doubtful. people got sick of this 2 year campaign a long time ago. if a new campaign got started right away; the person who did it would be dead in the water. hillary is smarter than that.
lorien1973 on September 10, 2008 at 5:45 PM
I already posted last week and today. Last week, if McCain/Palin continue to garner large points in the polls, Obama will have to choose someone else.
This morning I stated, if Palin hits a home run with Gibson, they (Obama) has less then two weeks to make a change from Biden.
The press will not blame Obama, they have to find blame somewhere else, and it will be Biden.
But it won’t help…it will show Obama as not being clear headed, a good decision maker…and I doubt Hillary would take the slot. She is now (in her mind) set for 2012.
Right now, Pelosi and Reid are more worried about their jobs then the Presidential race. That may be lost, but now it looks like congressional seats are up for grabs.
If this trend continues, dems lose everything…everything…breaks my heart.
right2bright on September 10, 2008 at 5:45 PM
So if BHO dumps Biden he will tell the country his first major decsion was a mistake. what will that tell America who are already suspect on his experience. I can see the ads now. Not ready to lead. can not make up his mind. does what is polictical necassary not what he thinks is best. etc etc. If BHO does this he will lose by 30pts.
unseen on September 10, 2008 at 5:45 PM
How did you read my mind like that?
ynot4tony2 on September 10, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Probably answering a question from the audience?
lionheart on September 10, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Wow, that is a truly bizarre clip. What was the context?
I’ll bite on this one. I think Obama would have picked a woman, but I don’t think it would have been Hillary. Watching Michelle O! during the convention, she radiated hatred for Hillary.
I think he probably would’ve picked someone like Sebelius, or if he was really intent on showing national politics credentials, why not a congresswoman? One thing that has puzzled me in all of this is why Pelosi or Feinstein have never been fielded as VP contenders. Is there some animosity there?
Y-not on September 10, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Joe “Dumb a Rock” Biden is talking himself out of a job.
Hillary does NOT need the VP slot, the PARTY needs it. Lets see people here’s what a Dem Leadership will Look like.
Obama = Rookie
Biden = Not the best man for the job
Harry = Hates energy
Nancy = Catholic who loves abortion, hates choice
Dick D= Tool
Be afraid.. and get out the vote.
originalpechanga on September 10, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Forget AllahPundit’s Despair-o-meter. You know what were gonna’ need for campaign ‘08?
My collie says:
It’s gonna’ be red-linin’ for the next two months.
CyberCipher on September 10, 2008 at 5:46 PM
This is the best TRAIN WRECK I have ever seen.
This is more fun than sticking it to Kerry and this time I don’t have to a damn thing but just sit here and watch it happen.
Someone please pass the popcorn.
Old Hippie Vet on September 10, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Hillary might just take the VP position. They will lose, but she will be able to make the point that it wasn’t her fault, it was Obama’s. And though she tried (right) to bring them from behind in the bottom of the 9th, even she will Bill at her side could not make up for the damage done by Obama.
That leaves her in prime position for 2012. No muss, no fuss.
DrDeano on September 10, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Fixed.
thirteen28 on September 10, 2008 at 5:46 PM
That’s exactly right. Hillary’s not stupid. If she’s asked to join the ticket, the smart move is to let Obama fail and run in 2012 with the campaign slogan, “See, I Told You So.” (with apologies to Rush)
Jim-Rose on September 10, 2008 at 5:47 PM
He needed to beg Hillary before the convention to accept VP. Begging her now won’t do any good.
Even with the beast from the start he could have been beaten. Now he can’t dump Biden and HRC is not stupid enough to join this loser.
DeweyWins on September 10, 2008 at 5:47 PM
If O wants to drop Joe and can’t convince Hill, maybe he can get Bill. There are probably just as many ‘executive’ closets in the VP offices as the West Wing where he can counsel impressionable interns.
/sarc
BadDogMN on September 10, 2008 at 5:47 PM
So, if Obama! askes Hillary to be his new VP, who is choosing a woman in a cynical play for votes from the easily duped unwashed?
Techie on September 10, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Poor Joe! Most people don’t even know who he is. :)
Conservative_SAHM on September 10, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Eagleton option is extremely unlikely. The last guy to do that lost 49 states.
If Biden leaves, when would he leave? Before the debates? No way, the self-proclaimed “super genius” ain’t gonna be pushed out before the debates. It’ll look like he’s running from the dumb broad from Alaska. His ego won’t allow that.
After the debates? Good luck with that. If he wins the debate, he won’t leave. If it’s lose or draw, it’ll reflect real bad on Obama if he leaves after that. Besides after there’s only a few weeks left after the VP debate. It’ll cause all sorts of problems for the BO campaign.
So Obama and Biden are joined at the hip for the next 2 months. The only way Joe leaves is in a pine box.
PackerBronco on September 10, 2008 at 5:48 PM
It’s been said before and I’ll say it again, the gift that keeps on giving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
flytier on September 10, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Classic! Here it is. You’ve got to sit through a commercial first.
flyfisher on September 10, 2008 at 5:48 PM
My inner Machiavelli is hinting that this is a prelude to a change of running mates – that Biden is laying the groundwork for the change by pushing this meme. Given that Obama is meeting with Bill Clinton and Hillary has been conspicuously silent, this may be a very real possibility.
My inner Spock says this is not logical, for the reasons MadMonk enumerates above. Changing this kind of horse mid-stream makes Obama look like an absolute idiot.
My inner Rove says that Obama is not going to change running mates but IS punching the walls because Biden once more stepped into a steaming pile by committing yet another of an ongoing series of Kinsley Gaffes.
ManlyRash on September 10, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Wow! Just……….Wow!
BacaDog on September 10, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Obamabiden is bonded like a proton and a neutron. Couldn’t be separated without a nuclear explosion. Won’t happen. Can’t happen. Maybe in 1 in a zillion parallel universes. If you happen to find yourself awakening in that universe, you’ll see Hillary campaigning around the country as nominee for “VP (Acting President)” dragging along the Rag Doll Formerly Known as the Obamessiah.
CK MacLeod on September 10, 2008 at 5:50 PM
I bet there are more preconditions when he meets with Cletus than he’d have when he meets Dinnerjacket or Chavez.
TheSitRep on September 10, 2008 at 5:50 PM
I say it’s a move for the PUMAs with a side of Biden being Biden.
batter on September 10, 2008 at 5:50 PM
That’s my guess.
Bugler on September 10, 2008 at 5:50 PM
The race is still close. My money is on “stick.”
Mr_Magoo on September 10, 2008 at 5:51 PM
How does Obama react going into the debats being a newly minted “underdog”?
Techie on September 10, 2008 at 5:51 PM
If OBH ditched Biden a la Eagleton,
THIS IS THE END
MY ONLY FRIEND, THE END
Obama’s dug himself into the Mother of All Holes ( literally ) with Biden, but ditching Lyin’ Joe would be The End of Hope & Change forever and ever
Janos Hunyadi on September 10, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Prediction.
Biden quits.
Obama begs.
Hillary refuses.
Obama submits, resigns.
Hillary nominated in emergency session.
Hillary names Obama as V.P. pick.
Steve_Roberts on September 10, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Biden would NEVER give up his moment in the sun. He’d have to be dragged out kicking and screaming.
Hilary would be a fool to take Obama’s crumbs.
ctmom on September 10, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Kills Obama for the independents who will be reminded every single day about “judgment”. Will Baracky also withdraw ambassadors, change his mind about judicial appointments, forgo treaties after signing, etc. etc.
Biden must be insane and if this isn’t a ploy, did Obama punch out Robinette’s lights after his speech was over?
Bishop on September 10, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Hillary will let Obama implode, and hope to take on McCain / Palin (or maybe just Palin) in 2012.
A Hillary vs. Palin election is in our future.
desertdweller on September 10, 2008 at 5:52 PM
If Biden is pushed over the side and Hillary comes aboard, how cynical will that look?
jaime on September 10, 2008 at 5:52 PM
It’s not going to be an Eagleton… it’s going to be a Torricelli.
beatcanvas on September 10, 2008 at 5:52 PM
blockquote>CK MacLeod on September 10, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Made me think:
“Obama the politician formerly known as the ONE!”
TheSitRep on September 10, 2008 at 5:52 PM
O.
M.
F.
G.
thareb on September 10, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Yeah, I guess winning only 8 out of 57 state was a pretty poor showing for McGovern.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on September 10, 2008 at 5:52 PM
is anyone covering this?
lodge on September 10, 2008 at 5:53 PM
Steve_Roberts on September 10, 2008 at 5:51 PM
That would be dramatic but there isn’t enough time; McCain and the GOP would destroy them.
Bishop on September 10, 2008 at 5:53 PM
Go with your inner Spock.
Mr_Magoo on September 10, 2008 at 5:53 PM
I heard that even Washington state was shifting towards McCain.
right2bright on September 10, 2008 at 5:53 PM
My golden retriever says
Also, he wants to know when the collie is free for a run in the park.
ManlyRash on September 10, 2008 at 5:53 PM
I mean he is running on a CHANGE platform.
TheSitRep on September 10, 2008 at 5:53 PM
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