Quote of the day
posted at 10:42 pm on September 9, 2008 by Allahpundit
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“Conservative though she may be, I felt that Palin represented an explosion of a brand new style of muscular American feminism. At her startling debut on that day, she was combining male and female qualities in ways that I have never seen before. And she was somehow able to seem simultaneously reassuringly traditional and gung-ho futurist. In terms of redefining the persona for female authority and leadership, Palin has made the biggest step forward in feminism since Madonna channeled the dominatrix persona of high-glam Marlene Dietrich and rammed pro-sex, pro-beauty feminism down the throats of the prissy, victim-mongering, philistine feminist establishment…
Over the Labor Day weekend, with most of the big enchiladas of the major media on vacation, the vacuum was filled with a hallucinatory hurricane in the leftist blogosphere, which unleashed a grotesquely lurid series of allegations, fantasies, half-truths and outright lies about Palin. What a tacky low in American politics — which has already caused a backlash that could damage Obama’s campaign. When liberals come off as childish, raving loonies, the right wing gains. I am still waiting for substantive evidence that Sarah Palin is a dangerous extremist. I am perfectly willing to be convinced, but right now, she seems to be merely an optimistic pragmatist like Ronald Reagan, someone who pays lip service to religious piety without being in the least wedded to it. I don’t see her arrival as portending the end of civil liberties or life as we know it…
The witch-trial hysteria of the past two incendiary weeks unfortunately reveals a disturbing trend in the Democratic Party, which has worsened over the past decade. Democrats are quick to attack the religiosity of Republicans, but Democratic ideology itself seems to have become a secular substitute religion. Since when did Democrats become so judgmental and intolerant? Conservatives are demonized, with the universe polarized into a Manichaean battle of us versus them, good versus evil. Democrats are clinging to pat group opinions as if they were inflexible moral absolutes. The party is in peril if it cannot observe and listen and adapt to changing social circumstances.”
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Good piece. Is Paglia supposed to be a liberal too?
MedSchoolCatholic on September 9, 2008 at 10:45 PM
WOW!
Nailed it. Was this written by a Liberal?
FiveWays on September 9, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Sarah keep boning up for the debate and don’t let Barry get you down….he has a big future in dinner theatre.
sven10077 on September 9, 2008 at 10:47 PM
One need not even click on the link to recognize the inimitable honesty & writing style of the remarkable Ms. Paglia
JudetheFossil on September 9, 2008 at 10:48 PM
With the dominatrix moniker, lipstick on a pig and the 34 lawyers in Wisilla, you would think that Sarah Palin was an Al Quida operative, trying to infiltrate our government. Oh wait, it she were a terrorist, she would be welcomed with opened arms by the Dems.
flytier on September 9, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Whether you are conservative or liberal, if you are a woman, we must understand that what they did to Senator Hillary Clinton, they are doing to Sarah Palin and they do to all women. Women of all walks will pay a price for letting this continue. Is this the legacy we wish to leave for our daughters and granddaughters?
bloggless on September 9, 2008 at 10:50 PM
I think it happened at about the same time that Republicans become so judgmental and intolerant with Liberals demonized, with the universe polarized into a Manichean battle of us versus them, good versus evil. I am not sure which came first and which followed close on it’s heals. The victor will probably right the history. Two sides of the same coin.
semloh on September 9, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Ummmmmmm……. is it me, or am I the only person in the Untied States that never saw a male quality (ohhhhhhhh…. those glasses……. let down your hair you kinky librarian…. HOT)
……… from conception?
Seven Percent Solution on September 9, 2008 at 10:51 PM
If I remember correctly it was Hillary Clinton who started the good vs evil stuff. The vast right wing conspiracy. The us or them style of politics.
Terrye on September 9, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Heh. Barry will be doing the talk circuit with Al Gore as one of the fallen gods of the Democrats. His glory stolen by those lowly humans and evil republicans. He will talk about hopey changy things with his adoring acolytes paying large dollars to here something completely irrelevant that might change their lives.
Kat_Mo on September 9, 2008 at 10:52 PM
All I know is I still want to see Palin come out in a pantsuit (as a deliberate joke) and pander to the Hillary folks. Although it might not work like that, because Palin’s got a nice caboose, so she could probably even work a sexy pantsuit.
RightWinged on September 9, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Big +1 Allah……You nailed it!
Everything you wrote explains the meltdown the left is experiencing.
Rovin on September 9, 2008 at 10:53 PM
we’re the gunners.
sven10077 on September 9, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Camille Paglia is the best over-writer in the business.
Slublog on September 9, 2008 at 10:54 PM
The problem is they don’t believe in anything substantial. It’s all fluff.
SouthernGent on September 9, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Paglia’s about as liberal as they come. But apparently, she is a feminist first. Put her in a zoo.
Dagnar on September 9, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Not to be unkind, and maybe it’s me, but I don’t think Allah wrote that…….
Seven Percent Solution on September 9, 2008 at 10:54 PM
And I mean that as a compliment. Her stuff is often overwrought, but I love reading it.
Slublog on September 9, 2008 at 10:54 PM
“a disturbing trend in the Democratic Party, which has worsened over the past decade”
or since lbj — give or take .. .
:-)
Buckaroo on September 9, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Yes, she’s definitely a liberal feminist. But she has enough sense not to be part of the Gloria Steinem man-hating club.
NorthernCross on September 9, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Actaully, I had the quote of the day, but I assume AP excludes quotes about him.
Karl on September 9, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Interesting read, but I really don’t see Sarah combining masculine and feminine characteristics. I’m not sure what traits Paglia means, but if she’s talking about authority and leadership they play out differently in men and women without being confined to either (as do confidence, compassion, humor and strength). Camille is wrapped up in her own stereotypes. From the quote I also don’t think she understands Sarah’s faith.
INC on September 9, 2008 at 10:55 PM
A wide ranging and well written piece that comes together very nicely. Good choice for QotD.
Spirit of 1776 on September 9, 2008 at 10:56 PM
That’s what they all say.
semloh on September 9, 2008 at 10:56 PM
The government IS god for liberals.
GoodBoy on September 9, 2008 at 10:56 PM
If you patent the teleporter that brought you from another dimension, you’ll be rolling in dough.
In this universe, the fringe Right is, well, fringe. The Dems kooks are running the show.
Asher on September 9, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Good piece, somewhat defensive but accurate. The ruling element of the Democrats seems to be the accidentally successful, intellectually incompetent, artsy/feely core, who cannot handle even the slightest challenge without striking out like the wounded wolverine they in so many other ways emulate.
stonemeister on September 9, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Bonus points to Paglia for using “Manichaean” gracefully.
Harpazo on September 9, 2008 at 10:57 PM
semloh:
I was a Democrat for years and I left the party because of that shift to the left. I have said many times that extremes meet and that extreme right and left are often alike. But by that I mean Pat Buchanan’s and the left’s hatred of Israel for example. The confluence of paleo and isolationist lefty politics is not hard to see.
For years there was a strain of centrist Democrat that resisted that sort of extremism, just like Reagan resisted the hard right. In the Democratic party today more and more the crazies are in control.
Palin is a conservative Governor, not the evil witch of the North and their reaction to her has been bizarre to say the least.
Terrye on September 9, 2008 at 10:57 PM
He didn’t.
semloh on September 9, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Allah, bless him, didn’t write this. Camille Paglia did.
nukemhill on September 9, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Just watched on Fox the Palin family at home while she was pregnant. Piper talking with food in her mouth. Mom talking with the interviewer, helping Piper at the table, carrying a baby at eight months… great stuff. Then her and “The First Dude” laughing and joking about whose more dominant at work and at home.
I hope Ed or AP can get some of this stuff before the week is out.
Mr_Magoo on September 9, 2008 at 10:58 PM
“In this universe, the fringe Right is, well, fringe. The Dems kooks are running the show.”
and that’s the bulk of the problem right there …
Buckaroo on September 9, 2008 at 10:59 PM
I still love AllahPundit.
GoodBoy on September 9, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Please give an example of the “fringe Right” you speak of, and while your at it……… one of the “Dems kooks running the show”……..
…………… just curious.
Seven Percent Solution on September 9, 2008 at 11:00 PM
The key is actualy much simpler…
the Dems have indoctrinated their base into the idea of identity politics… but then decided that Black identity politics trumped Women identity politics this cycle…
And the women finally figured out that Identity politics suck….
Just as us White Guys have know for many years….
Romeo13 on September 9, 2008 at 11:00 PM
The attempt to redefine feminism will simply create more confusion, but hey! sometimes chaos works.
Connie on September 9, 2008 at 11:01 PM
As has been the internet rights reaction to Obama, who is not really the evil devil of Hell. Two sides of the same coin.
semloh on September 9, 2008 at 11:01 PM
practice makes perfect….
sven10077 on September 9, 2008 at 11:02 PM
because lord knows his daughters have been attacked we have sent people to analyze his hair style, we’ve gone overboard trying to marginalize his faith….
epik/phail
sven10077 on September 9, 2008 at 11:03 PM
This witch-trial has been going on for years, and the ‘trend’ is established policy. The GOP may be old and tired, but the D-onkeys are going thermo-nuKular. Lots of heat, Lots of sound, Lots of fallout.
boom.
trailboss on September 9, 2008 at 11:04 PM
He’s a socialist. How would you expect us to react?
Connie on September 9, 2008 at 11:04 PM
From a fellow conservative blogger:
Rovin on September 9, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Hurrican Camille strike the DNC
clnurnberg on September 9, 2008 at 11:04 PM
I’ve been reading Paglia for years. Definitely a big lib and an Obama supporter, but much more “nuanced” than that. She’s a lesbian and a feminist that doesn’t resent men. She’s a humanities prof but not PC and appreciates the classics by dead white men. Most of all she writes what she thinks, rather than what she thinks she should write. She’s got a link on Drudge and definitely worth reading. She cranks out a 4 or 5 page column every month or so.
BuzzCrutcher on September 9, 2008 at 11:06 PM
voting for him, embracing all his policies, complimenting him non-stop…stuff like that…
sven10077 on September 9, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Precisely. Palin went from suffrage to governor, by-passing 40 years of garbage.
Connie on September 9, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Wait. Just before the ‘06 election it was the coming end of the Donks. Then we lost and it was the end of the GOP up until last week when now were back to the end of the Donks. Perhaps we are in the middle of Mutually Assured Destruction?
ronsfi on September 9, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Personal characteristics found in heroes are often considered masculine. Yet, those same heroic qualities can be found in women.
While most of us do small heroic acts from time to time, truely great heroes and heroines are found rarely in this world.
To me, Sarah Palin is a true heroine, and I have hope that she becomes one of the great ones.
Loxodonta on September 9, 2008 at 11:08 PM
“Since when did Democrats become so judgmental and intolerant?”
Since always.
exhelodrvr on September 9, 2008 at 11:11 PM
“Please give an example of the “fringe Right” you speak of, and while your at it……… one of the “Dems kooks running the show”……..”
for the former — 2 words — ron.paul.
for the latter, um, take a look at their nominee fer cryin’ out loud! orrrr, take dnc chair howie dean — PLEASE!!
Buckaroo on September 9, 2008 at 11:12 PM
The women in my family do not hunt moose. One might have taken a road-kill, but that’s about it.
pedestrian on September 9, 2008 at 11:13 PM
“Romeo13 on September 9, 2008 at 11:00 PM”
heh — i think you’ve pointed that out several times in the past week …
/which doesn’t make it any less true!
Buckaroo on September 9, 2008 at 11:13 PM
I wonder if the Obama campaign would be having these problems if McCain had picked Kay Bailey Hutchinson. I don’t think so. It’s not really about a woman candidate, it’s about a certain kind of woman candidate. One the campaign simply couldn’t have prepared for even if they had anticipated the McCain choice of Palin. The Obama people simply don’t know women like Sarah Palin. She’s got to seem like a space alien to them.
Bennett on September 9, 2008 at 11:13 PM
No one here thinks Obama is the evil devil of Hell.
He is far too stupid, incompetent, and reactionary to ever be confused with the calculated evil of Hell.
All we really do here is mock him. He is comedy gold.
Although we are indeed scared that there are enough brainwashed leftists in America to put this woefully inadequate candidate into the most powerful position in the world.
Thankfully, Obama’s shine has worn off and the greasy, gooey Carter/Mondale/McGovern policy center has been exposed.
BKennedy on September 9, 2008 at 11:13 PM
……………….. well written, I agree.
Seven Percent Solution on September 9, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Since when did Democrats become so judgmental and intolerant?
Since 1965 and our involvement in Vietnam. JFK’s death had consequences that are still playing out today; this is not his party any longer.
Bishop on September 9, 2008 at 11:17 PM
The exit question that AllahPundit forgot, and the only question that really needs to be answered:
“Which one of these two religions is MOST like Islam?”
My collie says:
CyberCipher on September 9, 2008 at 11:19 PM
The other side of the coin has the same routine, just reverses the names.
semloh on September 9, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Just read the whole article… Seems she understands why Sarah Palin is a Feminist… With her own ideas of what that means… She doesn’t need a man or a woman to speak for her…
Y314K on September 9, 2008 at 11:23 PM
“Muscle American(Femenism) Women”
Now that makes a lot of sense,except the femenism part!
The Liberals are finally seeing the light,Governor Sarah
Palin,is pure American Muscle,aka’SARAHHEMICUDA,all power,
brains,function and form!
Every single time a yappy Liberal wanna be(Hillary as an
example)pulls up to the political green light,the race will
always be won,even before tripping the political timing
lights!
All Liberal Democratic Femanism women who bow to the Alter
of Liberalism,have already lost the race,for they will never
go any further than what is expected by the docturnation
of Liberism!!!!
It is the belief of Liberalism that will forever contain
the Liberal woman,untill woman rise up,and throw away the
Liberal shackles,
they then,will never understand why,and how Governor Sarah
Palin got to where she is!!!
canopfor on September 9, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Probably the one that has a major sect that hates Morons.
semloh on September 9, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Ann Coulter already detailed this in her book Godless.
Montana on September 9, 2008 at 11:24 PM
I was wondering why this theme seemed familiar, I agree, it was basically covered in Godless. I need to dig that book back out and read it again.
Bishop on September 9, 2008 at 11:27 PM
There. Fixed that for ya’. No need to thank me. Just bein’ neighborly.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on September 9, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Democrats should be known as the party of lip service, because that is all they seem to do and they do it so well. Champions of women’s rights, yeah, right. Even the lib women have sold out. First they sell out Hillary and now they sell us all out. Obama is a pig.
bloggless on September 9, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Sticky keyboard.
semloh on September 9, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Damn fine article. I totally respect an adversary who expresses opinions with intelligence and civility. And who also seems to realize that her opinion is just that – opinion – and that other may disagree. That’s all I expect out of anyone.
Wish she was on our team. Oh well – we got the ‘Cuda.
connertown on September 9, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Brain fart.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on September 9, 2008 at 11:34 PM
But Palin was gracious in acknowledging that she stands on the shoulders of Geraldine and Hillary.
And as I don’t usally think of myself as feminist. I do always remember that many of my rights and freedoms (like voting) were obtained threw the sacrifices of other women who were braver and more willing to go against the grain than I am.
petunia on September 9, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Sigh***sigh, but to know us is to loves us… I actually think both those catergories have a claim to make. Regrettably.
petunia on September 9, 2008 at 11:39 PM
So lets see then:
Held an executive experience of any kind:
Obama: Annenburg Challenge, which he diesn’t talk about because it basically nails him to WIlliam Ayers
McCain: Commanded Largest Squadron in the Navy.
Legislative Experience:
Obama: 143 Days before running for President, never convened his own committee, said he served on a committee he doesn’t.
McCain: Over 2 decades in the Senate, with chairmanships on important committees.
Military experience:
Obama: Zilch
McCain: POW War Hero.
Quickdraw Foreign Policy:
Obama: On Russia invading Georgia, got it wrong twice, then moved to McCain’s initial position.
McCain: Was right the first time.
Yeah, I can totally see how you can immediate replace McCain and Obama in the same sentence.
Well, you can. If you prefer your opinion to objective reality. Like the Kos Kiddiez. Who are basically what the alphabet media has been using for hard news regarding Sarah Palin, for yet another refutation of your oblivious/trollish posts. When MSNBC starts using Michelle Malkin’s posts for news regarding illegal immigration horror stories, call me.
BKennedy on September 9, 2008 at 11:41 PM
After reading this I wonder… who in the hell actually watches “The View”?
I may not agree with this woman, but at least in reading her I don’t feel driven to immolation.
Somehow this reminds me of the Gravel post from earlier today.
rockhead on September 9, 2008 at 11:42 PM
I appreciate her acknowledging that a big portion of the left has become intolerant and judgmental … labels that the lefties in my family are convinced only apply to the right (and, they tell themselves, it applies to every one of us). Yet the right-wing blogs give credit where due, whether to say “nice job” to someone across the aisle (Michelle Obama after her DNC speech) or nip a false negative in the bud (”No for heaven’s sake, he didn’t just say he’s a Muslim.”). Right-wingers don’t twist statements and chop sound bites to try and fool the public. I’m pretty sure they don’t send out investigative teams to dig through the trash when their nominee’s poll numbers start slipping, either (Palin, Michael Steele).
The blogs and the media slanting to the right are decent, because the GOP at its core is decent. The left-wing blogs and media reflect their party as well, but unfortunately for my left-leaning friends, the core that exists today in the Democratic party is petty, negative, mean-spirited and so focused on winning at all costs that they’ve forgotten HOW to be decent, much less why.
Paglia shows how two sides can disagree on an issue and still get along. I actually found myself nodding at times.
Good read.
eucher on September 9, 2008 at 11:44 PM
That’s exactly the same mind set they on the other extreme have. They just have a differently worded playbook, that’s all. Two sides of the same coin.
semloh on September 9, 2008 at 11:48 PM
This quote from the piece is THE argument in a nutshell. SP reminds the libs that abortion on demand is not ethically defensible. I submit that very few pro-choice women really like the choice. They mistake their own rights to privacy as overcoming the right to life.
The culture wars are here to stay as long as libs ignore the cognitive dissonance arising from pitting personal liberty against natural respect for life.
trailboss on September 9, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Men who think they have to be feminists do so only to get some. Seriously. There are a few Republicans out there who understand that the feminization of Republican men is what hurt the party. RINOS are feminists. Real Republicans understand that women are equal in intelligence, but they appreciate the meant-to-be difference in the sexes.
Connie on September 9, 2008 at 11:52 PM
I much prefer the sect that hates Morons. I often think of joining that sect.
trailboss on September 9, 2008 at 11:52 PM
BKennedy – you seem to be missing my main point, which is not that McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden are so much alike, although they do have quite a few things in common, particuarly in the way they campaign, it is that their respective over-the-top and gone-around-the-bend supporters are so much alike. That is the “Two sides of the same coin”
semloh on September 9, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Not to nitpick, but when a quote spans multiple blank-space paragraphs its usually recommended/required to put an opening quote at the beginning of each quoted paragraph so we know the quoted parts continue.
Makes it easier to read when multi-para quotes are followed by anything else. Not in this case, but still its like a little signpost telling you the quote is still in progress.
Yes, I went to college!
Neo on September 9, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Not really. One has truth and the other not so much.
Connie on September 9, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Pet,
Agreed. Please remember that these qoute came from a friend. check the link and read the whole post, and feel free to respond.
Rovin on September 9, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Paglia manages to be tedious even when absolutely correct.
Jim Treacher on September 9, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Paglia’s always been one of those feminists I could respect, primarily because of pieces like this.
While on opposing sides of the issues, Paglia and Palin are cut from the same cloth; they’re women who view and define themselves as individuals rather than by their gender, and for that more than anything else, is what the partisan hacks of the soon-to-be “paleo-feminist” establishment are terrified of. Palin represents the future of feminism, stripped of the old orthodoxies promoted by gynosaurs like Stienem and Dowd and Wolfe replacing them with a new horizon of endless possibility, unconstrained by ideological litmus tests and inclusive to all women, rather than limiting itself to a sort of “old girl’s club” that the feminist establishment has become.
Win, lose or draw, Sarah Palin’s emergence on the national stage is a cultural watershed moment in this country’s history.
The djinni, as they say, is out of the bottle.
SuperCool on September 9, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Paglia’s not ‘tedious’, Jim, she’s…..verbose.
Her prose is prolix, as ex-PFC Wintergreen would have said in Catch-22
She;s been pointing out the secular religion of the Dems & Libs since the 90’s, and I stole here idea back then and have been proclaiming it every since ( with nuance, and less verbosity )
They worship at the altar of Ba’al 2000, and their whole “speaking truth to power mantra is their rosary
Janos Hunyadi on September 10, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Dear Smart Guy:
What’s your point? You have been saying the same thing for the last several hours on this blog. Don’t you have your own blog to drive traffic to? At that would make some sense.
Do you have any other tricks in that vast agitated sea of opinion you have floating around in your head? Because if not, nobody cares about your “two sides of the same coin garbage.” If you’re Professor Above It All come to show us all the error of our ways, you FAIL.
fiatboomer on September 10, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Pioneer Woman
That has such a nice ring to it. Makes for a nice tag line for a powerful, commanding, conservative woman.
Sackett on September 10, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Besides Obama referring to a women as “a pig in lipstick” and a old stinky fish….Biden today introduced a state senator and told him to stand up for applause.
The senator was in a wheelchair!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRV5Y1JCGRI
Lol!
Obama/Biden comedy tag team!
SaintOlaf on September 10, 2008 at 12:08 AM
a typically facile, superficial, witless, invalid, and cliche-ridden non-argument. There is no “coin”, man, and conservative are not the mirror image of liberals
They are fundamentally different in how they see nearly every aspect of life–and not seeing that marks you as someone not worth debating
( count the number of typos in my prevous post and win a prize……..)
Janos Hunyadi on September 10, 2008 at 12:09 AM
I guess these media liberals have never met a normal American woman.
indythinker on September 10, 2008 at 12:14 AM
I guessed right! She certainly has her own unique style.
capitalist piglet on September 10, 2008 at 12:15 AM
Interesting. If they spent a fraction as much time attacking terrorists as they have attacking Palin, people might actually start thinking they were patriotic.
capitalist piglet on September 10, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Sounds like an Obama song. *sung to American Woman, by the Guess Who.
Pioneer woman, stay away from me
Pioneer woman, mama let me be
Don’t come hangin’ around my donors,
I don’t wanna see your updo no more
I got more important things to do
Than spend my time fallin’ further behind you,
Pioneer woman, listen what I say.
trailboss on September 10, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Besides Obama referring to a women as “a pig in lipstick” and a old stinky fish….Biden today introduced a state senator and told him to stand up for applause.
Biden was sorely disappointed to learn that the rumored healing powers that come from being touched by Obama were a myth.
Damiano on September 10, 2008 at 12:26 AM
EPIC FAIL.
Although Biden did recover well enough.
jaleach on September 10, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Great post Allah.
With the war on love of God and country by the press and liberal activists, all that’s left is the inevitable self loathing, failure and insecurity meets desperation, disillusionment and lashing out.
The radical left’s moral compass was broken in the 60s and with nothing to replace it but a scattering of, do it if it feels good ideals and a neurotic warped interpretation of the Constitution, liberals at sometime have to start grasping and acting out like Godless, countryless children must with no direction home.
I say let the liberal loon disillusionment come.
Speakup on September 10, 2008 at 12:33 AM
after today ….you have the gall to say this! What universe do you live in…
jerrytbg on September 10, 2008 at 12:34 AM
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