Comments on: New McCain ad: Obama wants to teach kindergarteners “comprehensive sex education”

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By: On the Right

On the Right — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:13:57 +0000

Comprehensive…

Byron York: McCain’s sex-ed attack ad is accurate

I owe you a follow-up after having defended The One on this last week. FactCheck says the ad’s unfair,
partly because the bill never passed and therefore doesn’t qualify as
an……

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By: jim m

jim m — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:18:16 +0000

It’s confusing.

The statute was apparently passed in 2003 and then amended in 2006 (it says P.A. 93‑88, eff. 7‑2‑03; 94‑933, eff. 6‑26‑06 at the end). But I’m confused by that because the articles I’ve read said the bill that Obama approved didn’t become law.

The final text you’ve linked to seems to be the bill as introduced (which I think refers to itself as the full bill) rather than the final text because the language of amendment one isn’t included in it.

And amendment one obviously came after the bill as introduced.

How you reconcile the requirements of the bill is not clear to me. Maybe you tell the kids that you could get AIDS from tainted blood and some kinds of inappropriate behavior?

By: Ridiculous

Ridiculous — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:35:42 +0000

how can you mandate both
“Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV”
AND
“the developmentally appropriate” stuff
at the same time?

By: Ridiculous

Ridiculous — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:32:55 +0000

I am also confused how the bill can state first:
“Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.”

and then states the points made in the previous comment above.

aren’t those contradictory?

By: Ridiculous

Ridiculous — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:30:09 +0000

good point jim m- thanks for pointing it out. however, as I am not a lawyer, i am now confused further on the timeline of events and process of amending the bill. The statute says this (when and where did it come from): (c) All sex education courses that discuss sexual intercourse shall satisfy the following criteria: (1) Course material and instruction shall be age appropriate. The amendment says this. The final text says: All sex education courses that discuss sexual activity or behavior ~~intercourse~~ shall satisfy the following criteria: (1) Factual information presented in course material and instruction shall be medically accurate and objective. (2) All ~~(1)~~ course material and instruction shall be age and developmentally appropriate.

By: jim m

jim m — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:22:49 +0000

This was an Illinois state bill.

By: urbancenturion

urbancenturion — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:09:26 +0000

I haven’t read any of AP’s links; I haven’t watched the clip; I haven’t read any of the thread.

My question is: Why is there anything about this at all at the Federal level? BO, this is none of your damn business! Stay the hell out of our kids lives.

By: jim m

jim m — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:00:48 +0000

All amendment 1 did is move the language around a bit. Here’s what the original bill had in clause (c)(2)

(2) All course material and instruction shall
be age and developmentally appropriate.

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By: Ridiculous

Ridiculous — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:20:45 +0000

To jim m- the bill does contain the opt out clause. i haven’t been arguing that it didn’t.
my claim is that obama voted for “yea” to the bill before it contained the “age appropriate clause” as the record clearly shows on the link i posted earlier and you reposted.

3/6/2003 Senate Do Pass Health & Human Services; 007-004-000
3/18/2003 Senate Senate Floor Amendment No. 1 Filed

By: progressoverpeace

progressoverpeace — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:59:42 +0000

Cheap Shot by McCain.

jim m on September 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM

That’s just ridiculous.

I can’t believe that there are people here who think that public school kindergarten teachers should have any role in sex-ed, at all. That is really shocking to me.

By: jim m

jim m — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:43:55 +0000

Go click on http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=99&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=734&SessionID=3&GA=93.
and look for the introduced version of the bill (which I assume is the earlier version you were talking about).

It has the opt out and age appropriate language. If I’m wrong about the bill you were refering to, can you give us a link?

By: DrSteve

DrSteve — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:38:56 +0000

he voted “yea” to an earlier version of the bill that did not include that clause. thats the argument. not what the final bill says.

Ridiculous on September 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM

Did the earlier version contain the opt-out clause? That doesn’t appear to have been substituted or amended.

By: chiefeditor

chiefeditor — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:32:12 +0000

It's a strong charge, but McCain couldn't make it if it wasn't true.

By: sven10077

sven10077 — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:27:47 +0000

Cheap Shot by McCain.

jim m on September 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM

who determines \”age appropriate”?

The same sorts of clowns that decided public school “jihadi for a fortnight” classes are the way to go….

sorry Jim no sale….

they want to fight fondling?

Great I’m on board I guess the democrat dominated state had never done that before?

They want to leave an opening to Heather Has Two Mommies?

No sale.

By: leetpriest

leetpriest — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:24:24 +0000

I think McCain was right on the money with this ad. Most teachers I can remember in my life had a liberal agenda, no morals, and hated Christianity.

Think about it this way, a kindergarten teacher has the potential of being the class manwhore or class slut from your high school graduating class.

Do you really want your kindergarten child learning about sexual intercourse from a manwhore or a slut? I don’t. I don’t want my future children learning about this crap from anyone by myself and my wife.

This piece of legislation was another way for Obama to steal a parents rights to teach their kids values.

I mean seriously, how do you tell a child “oh honey, your teacher is only right some of the time, not all of the time”

By: Maxx

Maxx — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:21:45 +0000

Cheap Shot by McCain.

jim m on September 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM

The ad is perfectly legitimate, parents will want to know that Obama supports the further sexualization of their children in public schools, now beginning in kindergarten. The ad is fair game, Obama voted for it, let him explain it.

By: Ridiculous

Ridiculous — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:14:11 +0000

jim m- you are missing the point. he voted “yea” to an earlier version of the bill that did not include that clause. thats the argument. not what the final bill says.

By: jim m

jim m — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:41:20 +0000

Read a few lines further, TooTall:

(2) All course material and instruction shall
be age and developmentally appropriate.

Cheap Shot by McCain.