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		<title>By: CapedConservative</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/09/gallup-mccain-bounce-coming-from-independents-and-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-1405415</link>
		<dc:creator>CapedConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Democrats and Independents should take a second look and remain wary of any Republican from Alaska.

There must be something in the water up there…?

First Stevens, then Murkowski and now Palin…?

Perhaps most of these shenanigans and skullduggery is just now being investigated and coming into clear view…?

“Power to the People.”
J_Gocht on September 9, 2008 at 2:12 PM

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But Chicago... clean as the driven snow....

CC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Democrats and Independents should take a second look and remain wary of any Republican from Alaska.</p>
<p>There must be something in the water up there…?</p>
<p>First Stevens, then Murkowski and now Palin…?</p>
<p>Perhaps most of these shenanigans and skullduggery is just now being investigated and coming into clear view…?</p>
<p>“Power to the People.”<br />
J_Gocht on September 9, 2008 at 2:12 PM</p>
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<p>But Chicago&#8230; clean as the driven snow&#8230;.</p>
<p>CC</p>
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		<title>By: sven10077</title>
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		<dc:creator>sven10077</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Florida_909.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bigger fish to fry Gucci&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Florida_909.pdf" rel="nofollow">bigger fish to fry Gucci</a></p>
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		<title>By: docweasel</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/09/gallup-mccain-bounce-coming-from-independents-and-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-1404217</link>
		<dc:creator>docweasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain&#039;s up 54% to 45% among likely voters in Gallup
and then there&#039;s this:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JI03Aa02.html
which proves the race is over, done, cooked stick a fork in Obambi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain&#8217;s up 54% to 45% among likely voters in Gallup<br />
and then there&#8217;s this:<br />
<a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JI03Aa02.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JI03Aa02.html</a><br />
which proves the race is over, done, cooked stick a fork in Obambi.</p>
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		<title>By: venividivici</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/09/gallup-mccain-bounce-coming-from-independents-and-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-1403482</link>
		<dc:creator>venividivici</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Other than the one Gallup poll, McCain is ahead at most by five, tied in one and losing by one in one other.

At this time last year, the worst poll for Bush had him up by four.

jim m on September 9, 2008 at 8:41 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bush was also an incumbent, which is definitely worth a few points.

The race is definitely McCain&#039;s to lose at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Other than the one Gallup poll, McCain is ahead at most by five, tied in one and losing by one in one other.</p>
<p>At this time last year, the worst poll for Bush had him up by four.</p>
<p>jim m on September 9, 2008 at 8:41 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Bush was also an incumbent, which is definitely worth a few points.</p>
<p>The race is definitely McCain&#8217;s to lose at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: jim m</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/09/gallup-mccain-bounce-coming-from-independents-and-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-1403330</link>
		<dc:creator>jim m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other than the one Gallup poll, McCain is ahead at most by five, tied in one and losing by one in one other.

At this time last year, the worst poll for Bush had him up by four.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other than the one Gallup poll, McCain is ahead at most by five, tied in one and losing by one in one other.</p>
<p>At this time last year, the worst poll for Bush had him up by four.</p>
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		<title>By: docweasel</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/09/gallup-mccain-bounce-coming-from-independents-and-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-1403309</link>
		<dc:creator>docweasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, his numbers are approximately the same as the ones you list. He&#039;s up 10pts in one poll. 5% in a couple others. 2% or more in a couple others. Just like the ones you&#039;ve listed.

Also, the Gallup article makes note that whoever is ahead after the conventions shake out invariably wins, and if Obama retakes the lead, he&#039;ll be bucking history.

Not saying things won&#039;t change, but it looks damn good for McCain. Especially when Obama moves to capture the woman vote by calling Palin a pig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, his numbers are approximately the same as the ones you list. He&#8217;s up 10pts in one poll. 5% in a couple others. 2% or more in a couple others. Just like the ones you&#8217;ve listed.</p>
<p>Also, the Gallup article makes note that whoever is ahead after the conventions shake out invariably wins, and if Obama retakes the lead, he&#8217;ll be bucking history.</p>
<p>Not saying things won&#8217;t change, but it looks damn good for McCain. Especially when Obama moves to capture the woman vote by calling Palin a pig.</p>
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		<title>By: jim m</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/09/gallup-mccain-bounce-coming-from-independents-and-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-1403190</link>
		<dc:creator>jim m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all of you who are so enthusiastic about the latest polls, here’s what the polls were showing around this time in the 2004 presidential race. 

Bottom line: McCain/Palin’s numbers are overall nowhere as good as Bush’s were (apart from one of Gallup’s poll) and he barely won by 1.5% at the end.

CBS News (931 LV) 9/20 - 9/22 Bush +9
AP/Ipsos (931 LV) 9/20 - 9/22 Bush +7
Pew Research (989 RV) 9/17 - 9/21 Bush +3
NBC News/WSJ (787 LV) 9/17 - 9/19 Bush +4
Zogby (1066 LV) 9/17 - 9/19 Bush +3
IBD/TIPP (650 LV) 9/14 - 9/18 Bush +3
ARG (LV) 9/7 - 9/21 Bush +1
CBS News (1048 RV) 9/12 - 9/16 Bush +9
CNN/USAT/Gallup (767 LV) 9/13 - 9/15 Bush +14
Battleground (1000 LV) 9/12 - 9/15 Bush +4
Pew Research (725 LV) 9/11 - 9/14 Bush +1
Harris (867 LV) 9/9 - 9/13 Kerry +1
Newsweek (1003 RV) 9/9 - 9/10 Bush +6
IBD/TIPP (674 LV) 9/7 - 9/12 TIE
Zogby (1018 LV) 9/8 - 9/9 Bush +4
Time (857 LV) 9/7 - 9/9 52% Bush +11
AP/Ipsos (899 LV) 9/7 - 9/9 Bush +5
FOX/Opin. Dyn. (1000 LV) 9/7 - 9/8 Bush +4
ABC News/Wash Post (LV) 9/6 - 9/8 Bush +9
Pew Research (745 LV) 9/8 - 9/10 Bush +16
CBS News (909 RV) 9/6 - 9/8 Bush +7
CNN/USAT/Gallup (778 LV) 9/3 - 9/5 Bush +7
Newsweek (1,008 RV) 9/2 - 9/3 Bush +11</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all of you who are so enthusiastic about the latest polls, here’s what the polls were showing around this time in the 2004 presidential race. </p>
<p>Bottom line: McCain/Palin’s numbers are overall nowhere as good as Bush’s were (apart from one of Gallup’s poll) and he barely won by 1.5% at the end.</p>
<p>CBS News (931 LV) 9/20 &#8211; 9/22 Bush +9<br />
AP/Ipsos (931 LV) 9/20 &#8211; 9/22 Bush +7<br />
Pew Research (989 RV) 9/17 &#8211; 9/21 Bush +3<br />
NBC News/WSJ (787 LV) 9/17 &#8211; 9/19 Bush +4<br />
Zogby (1066 LV) 9/17 &#8211; 9/19 Bush +3<br />
IBD/TIPP (650 LV) 9/14 &#8211; 9/18 Bush +3<br />
ARG (LV) 9/7 &#8211; 9/21 Bush +1<br />
CBS News (1048 RV) 9/12 &#8211; 9/16 Bush +9<br />
CNN/USAT/Gallup (767 LV) 9/13 &#8211; 9/15 Bush +14<br />
Battleground (1000 LV) 9/12 &#8211; 9/15 Bush +4<br />
Pew Research (725 LV) 9/11 &#8211; 9/14 Bush +1<br />
Harris (867 LV) 9/9 &#8211; 9/13 Kerry +1<br />
Newsweek (1003 RV) 9/9 &#8211; 9/10 Bush +6<br />
IBD/TIPP (674 LV) 9/7 &#8211; 9/12 TIE<br />
Zogby (1018 LV) 9/8 &#8211; 9/9 Bush +4<br />
Time (857 LV) 9/7 &#8211; 9/9 52% Bush +11<br />
AP/Ipsos (899 LV) 9/7 &#8211; 9/9 Bush +5<br />
FOX/Opin. Dyn. (1000 LV) 9/7 &#8211; 9/8 Bush +4<br />
ABC News/Wash Post (LV) 9/6 &#8211; 9/8 Bush +9<br />
Pew Research (745 LV) 9/8 &#8211; 9/10 Bush +16<br />
CBS News (909 RV) 9/6 &#8211; 9/8 Bush +7<br />
CNN/USAT/Gallup (778 LV) 9/3 &#8211; 9/5 Bush +7<br />
Newsweek (1,008 RV) 9/2 &#8211; 9/3 Bush +11</p>
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		<title>By: docweasel</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/09/gallup-mccain-bounce-coming-from-independents-and-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-1402818</link>
		<dc:creator>docweasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama, wrapping up the women&#039;s vote with sensitivity:
Obama: &#039;Lipstick on a pig&#039;

Amie Parnes reports from Lebanon, VA:

    Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin&#039;s new &quot;change&quot; mantra.

    &quot;You can put lipstick on a pig,&quot; he said as the crowd cheered. &quot;It&#039;s still a pig.&quot;

    &quot;You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It&#039;s still gonna stink.&quot;

    &quot;We&#039;ve had enough of the same old thing.&quot;

The crowd apparently took the &quot;lipstick&quot; line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: &quot;lipstick.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama, wrapping up the women&#8217;s vote with sensitivity:<br />
Obama: &#8216;Lipstick on a pig&#8217;</p>
<p>Amie Parnes reports from Lebanon, VA:</p>
<p>    Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin&#8217;s new &#8220;change&#8221; mantra.</p>
<p>    &#8220;You can put lipstick on a pig,&#8221; he said as the crowd cheered. &#8220;It&#8217;s still a pig.&#8221;</p>
<p>    &#8220;You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It&#8217;s still gonna stink.&#8221;</p>
<p>    &#8220;We&#8217;ve had enough of the same old thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>The crowd apparently took the &#8220;lipstick&#8221; line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: &#8220;lipstick.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PattyJ</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/09/gallup-mccain-bounce-coming-from-independents-and-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-1402794</link>
		<dc:creator>PattyJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me and my other independent friends and relatives like the Rep ticket for one reason mainly: spending reform.  They both have a record and have the best chance of success at continuing it.

Otherwise, both parties are not much different.  More of the same. Little nibbles of difference around the edges.

Stop the madness in DC; that&#039;s the message they&#039;re sending, and we hear it loud and clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me and my other independent friends and relatives like the Rep ticket for one reason mainly: spending reform.  They both have a record and have the best chance of success at continuing it.</p>
<p>Otherwise, both parties are not much different.  More of the same. Little nibbles of difference around the edges.</p>
<p>Stop the madness in DC; that&#8217;s the message they&#8217;re sending, and we hear it loud and clear.</p>
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		<title>By: J_Gocht</title>
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		<dc:creator>J_Gocht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;JudetheFossil on September 9, 2008 at 2:45 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then there’s this out of Florida; not the best news ,for sure!

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are tied at 48 percent in a new Rasmussen poll conducted Sunday and released late Monday.
Before both parties held their conventions, an August Rasmussen poll showed McCain with a 46-43 lead in Florida.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I hear Sarah won&#039;t be going to Florida, how come...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>JudetheFossil on September 9, 2008 at 2:45 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Then there’s this out of Florida; not the best news ,for sure!</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are tied at 48 percent in a new Rasmussen poll conducted Sunday and released late Monday.<br />
Before both parties held their conventions, an August Rasmussen poll showed McCain with a 46-43 lead in Florida.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I hear Sarah won&#8217;t be going to Florida, how come&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In fact, Republicans didn’t shift much at all, trans-convention.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, yes and no. McCain&#039;s support among Republicans is significantly more solid than it was a month ago (see the Rasmussen crosstabs). That&#039;s not shift, granted, but it is strengthened support -- and Obama&#039;s soft support are potentially McCain voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In fact, Republicans didn’t shift much at all, trans-convention.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, yes and no. McCain&#8217;s support among Republicans is significantly more solid than it was a month ago (see the Rasmussen crosstabs). That&#8217;s not shift, granted, but it is strengthened support &#8212; and Obama&#8217;s soft support are potentially McCain voters.</p>
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		<title>By: ScoopThis.Org &#187; Gallup Poll: McCain gets convention bounce from Independents and Democrats.</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScoopThis.Org &#187; Gallup Poll: McCain gets convention bounce from Independents and Democrats.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sultry Beauty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sultry Beauty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In fact, Republicans didn’t shift much at all, trans-convention.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s because there&#039;s a lot of &#039;pessimistic&#039; people within the GOP that are still sore about McShamnesty.  I suppose some of them will stay home on Nov. 4th. 

There will be those too, mainly on the West Coast, who will get into their cars after work and turn on talk radio.  Once home they&#039;ll turn on MSNBC, CNN, or Fox.  A sudden sense of panic will wash over them as they realize that they&#039;re acting like angry drunken sailors and walking a fine line of suffering a major hang over the likes they won&#039;t be able to get over for more than 4 to 8 years.  They&#039;ll vote before 8PM guaranteed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In fact, Republicans didn’t shift much at all, trans-convention.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s because there&#8217;s a lot of &#8216;pessimistic&#8217; people within the GOP that are still sore about McShamnesty.  I suppose some of them will stay home on Nov. 4th. </p>
<p>There will be those too, mainly on the West Coast, who will get into their cars after work and turn on talk radio.  Once home they&#8217;ll turn on MSNBC, CNN, or Fox.  A sudden sense of panic will wash over them as they realize that they&#8217;re acting like angry drunken sailors and walking a fine line of suffering a major hang over the likes they won&#8217;t be able to get over for more than 4 to 8 years.  They&#8217;ll vote before 8PM guaranteed.</p>
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		<title>By: rockmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>rockmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama can regroup and reorganize all he wants - but then the next attack from McCain will come where he doesn&#039;t expect it and he will be back on his heels again.  

My guess?  It&#039;s going to be an attack on Obama&#039;s and the Democratic establishment&#039;s ties to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  This is a political scandal of epic proportions and it ALL will hit Democrats if the Republicans have the nerve to get the facts out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama can regroup and reorganize all he wants &#8211; but then the next attack from McCain will come where he doesn&#8217;t expect it and he will be back on his heels again.  </p>
<p>My guess?  It&#8217;s going to be an attack on Obama&#8217;s and the Democratic establishment&#8217;s ties to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  This is a political scandal of epic proportions and it ALL will hit Democrats if the Republicans have the nerve to get the facts out.</p>
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		<title>By: docweasel</title>
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		<dc:creator>docweasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s interesting to me is this graf:

&lt;blockquote&gt;While the increased vote share a candidate receives following his convention usually diminishes, candidates who lead after the second convention usually remain the leader a month after the convention. This is based on a review of historical Gallup data since 1964 -- the first year for which Gallup could reliably measure convention bounces. The only possible exception to this general pattern occurred in 1980, when Jimmy Carter had a slim one-point advantage after the Democratic National Convention but he and Ronald Reagan were exactly tied one month after Carter was nominated for a second term.

Thus, if Obama regains the lead over the next month, he will be bucking the historical trend. Admittedly, most of the elections since 1964 were not as competitive as this year&#039;s election has been, but even in closely contested election years of 1988 (George H.W. Bush led by just four points after the GOP convention that year), 2000, and 2004 the post-conventions leader usually held that position one month later. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Am I wrong, are is Gallup basically predicting a McCain victory and saying an Obama come-back is a long-shot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s interesting to me is this graf:</p>
<blockquote><p>While the increased vote share a candidate receives following his convention usually diminishes, candidates who lead after the second convention usually remain the leader a month after the convention. This is based on a review of historical Gallup data since 1964 &#8212; the first year for which Gallup could reliably measure convention bounces. The only possible exception to this general pattern occurred in 1980, when Jimmy Carter had a slim one-point advantage after the Democratic National Convention but he and Ronald Reagan were exactly tied one month after Carter was nominated for a second term.</p>
<p>Thus, if Obama regains the lead over the next month, he will be bucking the historical trend. Admittedly, most of the elections since 1964 were not as competitive as this year&#8217;s election has been, but even in closely contested election years of 1988 (George H.W. Bush led by just four points after the GOP convention that year), 2000, and 2004 the post-conventions leader usually held that position one month later. </p></blockquote>
<p>Am I wrong, are is Gallup basically predicting a McCain victory and saying an Obama come-back is a long-shot?</p>
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		<title>By: RightOFLeft</title>
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		<dc:creator>RightOFLeft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like David Brooks said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Independent voters do not believe the country’s problems can be solved merely by replacing Republicans with Democrats. They cast a pox on both houses. That’s why they’re independents.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obama can&#039;t compare to McCain&#039;s record of standing up to (and at times infuriating) his own party. Listening to McCain criticize his party in his acceptance speech (at the RNC, no less) was music in Independents&#039; ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like David Brooks said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Independent voters do not believe the country’s problems can be solved merely by replacing Republicans with Democrats. They cast a pox on both houses. That’s why they’re independents.</p></blockquote>
<p>Obama can&#8217;t compare to McCain&#8217;s record of standing up to (and at times infuriating) his own party. Listening to McCain criticize his party in his acceptance speech (at the RNC, no less) was music in Independents&#8217; ears.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckeyeSam</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuckeyeSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;MarkTheGreat on September 9, 2008 at 2:37 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank you. Why am I not surprised that we hear a skewed figure?

OT. Has anyone looked at Obama&#039;s tax returns (2000 through 2007)? He and his wife had one year (2004) when their AGI was as little as $207K, but that year aside, their AGI figures (rounded) were $241K (2000), $273K (2001), $259K (2002), $238K (2003), $1.655M (2005), $983K (2006), and $4.14M (2007). Yet for 2000 through 2004 Obama and his wife reported $72 of interest income (taxable or tax-exempt) and &lt;em&gt;no&lt;/em&gt; dividends. 

In 2005, they reported taxable interest of $13,385 and dividends of $2,754; in 2006, taxable interest of $4,590 and dividends of $1,188; and in 2007, taxable interest of $1,442, tax-exempt interest of $45,851, and no dividends.

In February 2005, the Obamas bought two stocks, but they were out of them by November 2005, selling one for a $2,700 gain and the other for a $15,200 loss.

I don&#039;t know about anyone else, but these tax returns seem to demonstrate two people who don&#039;t know anything about personal financial planning and little about the financial markets. 

To be fair, the two McCain returns that I&#039;ve seen show AGI figures of $339K (2006) and $387K (2007). He receives a military pension of, I think, around $60K a year that&#039;s nontaxable because it&#039;s been classified as nontaxable disability pay. In 2006, he reported $14 of taxable interest and &lt;em&gt;no&lt;/em&gt; dividends. In 2007, he reported $48 of taxable interest and dividends of $74. From the pages 1 and 2 of Cindy McCain&#039;s 2006 return, she seems to be invested in the markets. 

I&#039;m not sure which way this information cuts, but anytime Obama is touted as &lt;em&gt;better&lt;/em&gt; on the economy I think of his tax returns. I wouldn&#039;t let him run a lemonade stand. McCain may joke about it as a weakness, but I&#039;m much more comfortable with the idea of Republican economic advisers than I am with the idea of Democratic economic advisers. Indeed, I&#039;ve always thought that the expression &quot;Democratic economic adviser&quot; was an oxymoron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>MarkTheGreat on September 9, 2008 at 2:37 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you. Why am I not surprised that we hear a skewed figure?</p>
<p>OT. Has anyone looked at Obama&#8217;s tax returns (2000 through 2007)? He and his wife had one year (2004) when their AGI was as little as $207K, but that year aside, their AGI figures (rounded) were $241K (2000), $273K (2001), $259K (2002), $238K (2003), $1.655M (2005), $983K (2006), and $4.14M (2007). Yet for 2000 through 2004 Obama and his wife reported $72 of interest income (taxable or tax-exempt) and <em>no</em> dividends. </p>
<p>In 2005, they reported taxable interest of $13,385 and dividends of $2,754; in 2006, taxable interest of $4,590 and dividends of $1,188; and in 2007, taxable interest of $1,442, tax-exempt interest of $45,851, and no dividends.</p>
<p>In February 2005, the Obamas bought two stocks, but they were out of them by November 2005, selling one for a $2,700 gain and the other for a $15,200 loss.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about anyone else, but these tax returns seem to demonstrate two people who don&#8217;t know anything about personal financial planning and little about the financial markets. </p>
<p>To be fair, the two McCain returns that I&#8217;ve seen show AGI figures of $339K (2006) and $387K (2007). He receives a military pension of, I think, around $60K a year that&#8217;s nontaxable because it&#8217;s been classified as nontaxable disability pay. In 2006, he reported $14 of taxable interest and <em>no</em> dividends. In 2007, he reported $48 of taxable interest and dividends of $74. From the pages 1 and 2 of Cindy McCain&#8217;s 2006 return, she seems to be invested in the markets. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure which way this information cuts, but anytime Obama is touted as <em>better</em> on the economy I think of his tax returns. I wouldn&#8217;t let him run a lemonade stand. McCain may joke about it as a weakness, but I&#8217;m much more comfortable with the idea of Republican economic advisers than I am with the idea of Democratic economic advisers. Indeed, I&#8217;ve always thought that the expression &#8220;Democratic economic adviser&#8221; was an oxymoron.</p>
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		<title>By: Ace of Spades HQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ace of Spades HQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Gallup:  McCain Now Preferred 52-37 by Independents Over Obama...&lt;/strong&gt;

Wow. McCain had been preferred by 40% of independents until the convention. More at Hot Air. Interestingly, McCain has increased his share of Democratic voters from 9% to 14%. He also is maintaining his five point lead in the Gallup......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Gallup:  McCain Now Preferred 52-37 by Independents Over Obama&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Wow. McCain had been preferred by 40% of independents until the convention. More at Hot Air. Interestingly, McCain has increased his share of Democratic voters from 9% to 14%. He also is maintaining his five point lead in the Gallup&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: steveegg</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveegg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all in the timing.  Both polls came out after everybody knew Sarah Palin would be John McCain&#039;s VP nominee, so I wouldn&#039;t expect a lot of additional Republican support to show up here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all in the timing.  Both polls came out after everybody knew Sarah Palin would be John McCain&#8217;s VP nominee, so I wouldn&#8217;t expect a lot of additional Republican support to show up here.</p>
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		<title>By: jeanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain will govern to suit his own principles.  He&#039;s pretty much made that clear. Most of his principles are also mine. Almost none of Obama&#039;s are.  No brainer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain will govern to suit his own principles.  He&#8217;s pretty much made that clear. Most of his principles are also mine. Almost none of Obama&#8217;s are.  No brainer</p>
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		<title>By: kirkill</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirkill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking of Mr. Drywall of course.</description>
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		<title>By: kirkill</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirkill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are Democrats that can put together rational thoughts, and can analyze the crap spewed forth in the news and make educated decisions.  Unlike libtards that want either anarchy or socialism.  And think that wars should never be waged, even if the greatest society in the history of the world goes down in flames.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are Democrats that can put together rational thoughts, and can analyze the crap spewed forth in the news and make educated decisions.  Unlike libtards that want either anarchy or socialism.  And think that wars should never be waged, even if the greatest society in the history of the world goes down in flames.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Palin pick and speech probably accounted for much of the bounce among Independents. McCain had probably rallied the base pre-convention with his Saddleback remarks, while Obama turned off any Evangelicals he might have had. 

By choosing Palin as his running mate, McCain chose an &quot;outsider&quot; who did have an admittedly short record of reform, who was relatively unknown to Democrats and the media. The Obama campaign&#039;s efforts to label her as inexperienced have backfired on Obama, and the media attacks on her left people curious to actually hear her, which probably drove up the audience for her speech, who found her likeable, smart, and competent, and good at poking holes in Obama&#039;s claims (she didn&#039;t go after Biden). 

Palin&#039;s pro-life record has solidified the GOP base, but she HAS gone after corruption in Alaska, even in her own party, which appeals to independent voters, who had turned away from the GOP in 2006. 

If Obama tries to &quot;tack to the middle&quot; now, some of his moonbats might not bother voting, and McCain should jump all over his flip-flops between the primary and general election (they are legion!). Palin can be a very strong advocate on the energy issue, where 60-70% of the voters favor offshore drilling, while reassuring independents that McCain won&#039;t be owned by the oil companies. The one possible weakness that remains is Palin&#039;s lack of foreign-policy experience relative to Biden, but even if she loses that debate, McCain can dominate Obama on that issue. 

If Obama persists in trying to bash Palin, he will look weak by comparison--Obama vs. Palin is probably a wash, but McCain will look statesmanlike by comparison. If Obama tries to return to an issues-oriented campaign, McCain/Palin will have to explain the wisdom of a corporate tax-cut, and the folly of Obama socialism, and hopefully Palin will have boned up on Economics 101.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Palin pick and speech probably accounted for much of the bounce among Independents. McCain had probably rallied the base pre-convention with his Saddleback remarks, while Obama turned off any Evangelicals he might have had. </p>
<p>By choosing Palin as his running mate, McCain chose an &#8220;outsider&#8221; who did have an admittedly short record of reform, who was relatively unknown to Democrats and the media. The Obama campaign&#8217;s efforts to label her as inexperienced have backfired on Obama, and the media attacks on her left people curious to actually hear her, which probably drove up the audience for her speech, who found her likeable, smart, and competent, and good at poking holes in Obama&#8217;s claims (she didn&#8217;t go after Biden). </p>
<p>Palin&#8217;s pro-life record has solidified the GOP base, but she HAS gone after corruption in Alaska, even in her own party, which appeals to independent voters, who had turned away from the GOP in 2006. </p>
<p>If Obama tries to &#8220;tack to the middle&#8221; now, some of his moonbats might not bother voting, and McCain should jump all over his flip-flops between the primary and general election (they are legion!). Palin can be a very strong advocate on the energy issue, where 60-70% of the voters favor offshore drilling, while reassuring independents that McCain won&#8217;t be owned by the oil companies. The one possible weakness that remains is Palin&#8217;s lack of foreign-policy experience relative to Biden, but even if she loses that debate, McCain can dominate Obama on that issue. </p>
<p>If Obama persists in trying to bash Palin, he will look weak by comparison&#8211;Obama vs. Palin is probably a wash, but McCain will look statesmanlike by comparison. If Obama tries to return to an issues-oriented campaign, McCain/Palin will have to explain the wisdom of a corporate tax-cut, and the folly of Obama socialism, and hopefully Palin will have boned up on Economics 101.</p>
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		<title>By: SDarchitect</title>
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		<dc:creator>SDarchitect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IF Barry Hussein runs to the center, he will LOSE his only base, the looney toon fringe left....they will sit on their welfare butts come election day if he even breathes centrist.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IF Barry Hussein runs to the center, he will LOSE his only base, the looney toon fringe left&#8230;.they will sit on their welfare butts come election day if he even breathes centrist&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: DerKrieger</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerKrieger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Geronimo on September 9, 2008 at 2:00 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When the GOP is the first party to elect a black man/woman to POTUS we&#039;ll be able to put that canard to rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Geronimo on September 9, 2008 at 2:00 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>When the GOP is the first party to elect a black man/woman to POTUS we&#8217;ll be able to put that canard to rest.</p>
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