Video: No, Obama didn’t “admit” to being a Muslim on ABC
posted at 3:00 pm on September 7, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Within 10 minutes of this airing we’d already gotten four or five e-mails about it; 20 minutes later, a bowdlerized version had already hit YouTube and begun circulating. I despise lefty sites for twisting conservatives’ words by selectively editing clips, so let’s cut this one off at the pass before it gets going. Here’s the full exchange with Stephanopoulos, making it perfectly clear that when he says “my Muslim faith” he’s referring to how the people smearing him see him, not how he sees himself. No mas, please.
Exit question: If McCain’s responsible for every smear leveled against Obama by a conservative whether he condemns it or not — as certain prominent nutroots bloggers have long asserted — then by extension isn’t Sullivan’s Palin smearapalooza a de facto operation of the Obama campaign? Assuming, that is, that it’s not an actual operation of the Obama campaign.
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Maxx, I think that you would do yourself and excellent service by learning about Islamic religions yourself rather than depend on the opinions expressed on a website entitled “Jihad Watch”.
Islamic extremism is a perversion of religious belief on par with the perversion of Christianity that resulted in the Crusades, Inquisition, etc.
The more quickly people learn to understand and accept this fact, the more quickly we will be able to communicate effectively enough with those of Islamic belief and encourage them to rout out the extremists among them and implement a true democracy.
With respect to your admirable intentions, by neglecting this critical understanding; you run the risk of adopting an ethnic and religious cleansing mentality. That, my friend, is against our Constitution, out laws and results in things like WWII and the Crusades.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Gotta be careful with that tack, Progress, because you risk opening the door to rationalizations of racial superiority/inferiority. If there is no pervasive, common, immutable nature that all humans share then it becomes easier for one group to dominate and/or dehumanize another.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 6:37 PM
My only problem with the Crusades is that they didn’t succeed.
They were certainly no more brutal, and probably were less so, than the Mohammedian conquest of those areas to begin with.
And can it be argued at ALL that the middle east wouldn’t have been better off had Mohammed’s succeding conquerers not defeated the Byzantine Empire?
Christianity has proven itself, with all it’s faults and past mistakes to be the greatest civilizing force on Earth. It results in it’s evolution into free peoples, democracy, prosperity, and an environment in which great scientific, health, and human advances can occur.
Islam has completely failed at that.
wildcat84 on September 7, 2008 at 6:38 PM
We have seen some tribal cultures changed. The Japanese took on a large number of individualistic characterstics that we forced on them after WWII, but they still operate as a team. That was the great problem that we had in the 70’s and 80’s with Japanese companies. They were all colluding with each other, because their version of capitalism was still tribal at home. That only stopped being a problem because Japan sunk into interminable recession.
I do not mean to argue that people cannot be reacculturated, but that takes far more than just providing them with the envirnoment for individualism. It takes a very firm hand, lots of blood and total control of the population until the change is affected – which could be quite a long time. Many of their deepest traditions must be cast away and that is always very tough. Most in the West have no desire to do any of this, but I don’t think that cultures change with anything less.
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Even if it were true, it certainly isn’t the state of affairs today.
Today we are dealing with Islamic Jihad. Not Christian holy war or Salem. (Salem is a weak example btw).
Right now we are facing terror from one religion. Might as well call it as it is.
Spirit of 1776 on September 7, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Nato officials were afraid that being indirectly a party to having a man killed for apostasy would undermine longterm mission viability…..
is that clear enough for you?
Nato got “lucky” karzai blinked and exerted pressure to let the guy be exiled. My wife and I have been apart fully 50% of the time since 9/11 to prop up “democracies” like this. Rather than prop up thugocracy with lipstick I would rather buy the alliegence of the strongest least fundamentalist guys on the block with the tacit message, “cross us we topple you”.
The US finds itself less able to use intell to do these things because of some silly rules passed in the ’70s to grab the donks some political brownie points….(despite the fact most of the “abuses” were done on their watch for God’s sake)
Look I’ll diagram it…..
………………..sven’s view
democracy as ideal thugocracy as ideal
X———————————————————-
round robin deployments in perpetuity as ideal versus stabilization as ideal
—————————————————x——-
energy independence strategic independence
——————————————————–x—
that is all
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Allah hates you this I know
For the Koran tells me so
Infidels Christians and Jews we bomb
They are weak but we are strong
Yes Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you,
The Koran tells me so.
Allah hates you, you will die
Send my children out to blow themselves and you up to the sky
Say the salat, chop off head,
Eat falafel, go to bed.
Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you!
The Koran tells me so.
Aleph on September 7, 2008 at 6:40 PM
LOL! To ask the question is to answer it, my friend. Part of the perfection of this document is that it provides for an orderly. peaceful process to amend it as required.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 6:41 PM
there was a Muslim apologist that bought all the pap hook line and sinker…
moral relativism is a death sentence for a free society.
regards,
sven
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Well said, Progress! I agree.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 6:42 PM
The answer to your question is the proof that you are correct.
It took an extremely special group of people to formulate and implement the Constitution. They were working for “The People” in a way that had never been done before.
The “Founding Fathers” of every country prior and every country since weren’t even in the same league.
They would view the Constitution as a flawed document simply because it gave away too much power. This is also why the left attacks it today.
I have already seen several posts here today that point this out quite clearly.
TheCulturalist on September 7, 2008 at 6:42 PM
It would be just as well if atheists stopped trying to do gymnastics to make specious accusations of equivalency…
I have yet to meet an organization dedicated to taking the mentally challenged and turning them into semi-smart bombs that has a 9 line to the pope or cardinals….
I can’t make the same claim about Islam.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 6:43 PM
To everyone here: I just wanted to thank all of you for the wonderful discussions on this thread. The differences are often sharp and sharply argued. Tempers flare. And yet…all of this reminds me of the way it was with the Founding Fathers so long ago.
They would be proud of you. I know I am.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Please bookmark this site:
http://thereligionofpeace.com/
Check it a couple of times each week. On the right hand side, they update it regularly with FACTUAL NEWS (very little editorializing about the stories from the site that links the stories) items on what is going on with Islam across the world today. The people pointing out what is going on aren’t the problem with ‘the West’s relationship with Islam’. The problem is with Islam and its interpretations itself.
Islamic people will never co-operate with people of other religions against people of their own religion to malign members of their religion. We captured Eric Rudolph and put him in jail forever. They herald their terrorists that might believe in the same religion that they do.
ThackerAgency on September 7, 2008 at 6:44 PM
The most interesting line from the transcript was this one:
Why did he choose to use “was forced”? Why didn’t he use “chose,” or “decided”?
And since he chose to use the passive voice, who forced her to talk about her daughter?
It gets curiouser, and is consistent with the claim that the whole “Trig is really Bristol Palin’s daughter” meme was a deliberate attempt to “out” the Palin family on an “open secret” (at least in Wasilla)…and suggests to me that Obama was in the know, if not participating in the strategy.
The Wild Duck on September 7, 2008 at 6:46 PM
I’ll have to agree with Allahpundit on this one since it appears to me that he’s not saying that he’s a Muslim but rather referring to what others said about it. It’so poorly worded like everything he says without a teleprompter that it is open to misinterpretation but i do agree with AP.
TooTall on September 7, 2008 at 6:47 PM
I agree that Kingdom of Heaven was a cinematic piece of trash that bears no resemblance to actual history. Other than that, I respectfully disagree with your conclusions.
I give full credit to the value of Christian beliefs, but to suggest that it is these beliefs that are solely the basis for the success of Democracy is a step too far. I don’t dispute that our government was founded on Christian principles. It is all the better for it. But this neglects the fundamental basis on which our country was founded and which has caused our nation to be a example for the rest of the world- freedom of religion.
It is the concept of this freedom that initially set us apart from the rest of the world. Democracy existed in various forms, even in the 1700s. What did not exist was a society that did not infringe on the rights of it’s people to practice the religion of their choice.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 6:47 PM
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 5:56 PM
So is socialism a sort of tribalism?
Cindy Munford on September 7, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Amen, Damiano (am I allowed to say that?)
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Yes.
Our Constitution is something that could have only been created by a new country. This is why the left has taken to calling it a living, breathing document, so that they can change it to give government more power.
The Founding Fathers were clever enough to make it very difficult to alter, but as we have seen, the left has figured out how to use the courts to push their agenda.
reaganaut on September 7, 2008 at 6:49 PM
oh please, no its not. every islamic republic persecutes christians today, now. As far as the crusades, thank God for the Crusades, or we’d all be muslim. They were a defensive reaction to the INVASION of europe by the muslims. What WERE the muslims doing in France in the battle of Tours in 732?? guess they just lost their way…sure…
go ahead and rationalize the slavery that exists today in muslim countries like the sudan and maurtainia….please there were never any muslim abolitionist societies, and there never will be.
right4life on September 7, 2008 at 6:50 PM
There is nothing at all complicated about that part as far as it goes and was clear from the start. I am at a loss to figure out why you are prattling on like this off on a tangent unless you are just making a try at a thimblerig.
semloh on September 7, 2008 at 6:51 PM
It doesn’t go too far. The words and writings of the Founding Fathers proves that point quite convincingly.
reaganaut on September 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM
If one group is very different, what can you do?
I don’t think an acknowledgement of differences (assuming they are true) necessarily leads to the problems you worry about. Quite the opposite. Not knowing the differences (if they exist, as I claim) leads to even more problems as you try to fit a circle into a square hole.
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 6:53 PM
Yes, and precisely why the Supreme Court appointments of the next President are so important.
TheCulturalist on September 7, 2008 at 6:54 PM
why would there be?
The big Mo lived a perfect life and was the direct conduit of Allah here on Earth….
that means Allah gave tacit permission to mankind to have slaves.
A salve of Christians at least knows there is doctrinal backing to the notion of forgiveness should he escape….a slave of Muslims knows that they believe Allah has ordained the slave that position here on Earth.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 6:54 PM
Outside Independence Hall when the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended, Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?”
Without hesitation Franklin responded, “A republic, madam…if you can keep it.”
Now it’s our turn. If John McCain is elected this November, there is every likelihoood that SCOTUS will be dominated by strict constructionists – particularly if the Arctic Fox succeeds him.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 6:54 PM
Again, we agree. Our difference is simply in definition of “organization”.
I maintain that Islam, at it’s core, is not substantially more violent than Christianity, at least in a historic sense. Is it not true that past atrocities have been condoned through a perverted view of both the Old and New testaments? Many would argue that the Bible is the most violent book ever written (though I think that is going too far).
I will agree that most American versions of Christianity are significantly less violent that comparable versions of Islam. Notable modern exceptions, however, include Black Liberation Theology… which is why I find the Muslim argument about Obama ridiculous.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 6:55 PM
I classify it as such.
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Here, here! Beers all around!
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 6:56 PM
What on earth is a thimblerig? Sounds like a sex toy. Do tell…
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 6:57 PM
Thanks to you, too, Manly.
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 6:57 PM
I bet he staged this hoping the right would pounce and he could steal the victim card back from Palin.
It’ll probably work to.
eski502 on September 7, 2008 at 6:58 PM
No you posted as though I had said something diametrically opposed to my point. I used the Karzai example to highlight why IMHO it is better to stabilize disengage and maintain chaos in the region. We are NOT establishing human rights, I did not want to rely on “luck” as you seemed to think.
There is NO luck in the Sharia….99.9999995% of the time without our intervention the guy would have been dead within a week.
I *refuse* to be happy that we are wasting our blood, sweat, tears, and reputation establishing Mullahocracy.
The region is entitled to govern as it will so long as it does not interfere with US national interests….it took 28 years to convince me of that, but the folly of having a US ally wanting to kill a man because he found a gentler religion convinced me in a way the Iranian Revolutionary Guard never did.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 6:58 PM
I agree. Yet the overall argument against mine neglects that a founding principle was freedom of religion, which was the primary difference of our government when it was founded and remains so to this day.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 6:59 PM
Beer? I’ll have a…Sam Adams *grins and winks*
Ah…HotAir.com – where the HotAirHeads do the heavy intellectual bantering that the Kos Kidz are not emotionally equipped to do.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 6:59 PM
thats just flat out false. the entire history of islam is one of war, either internally or externally. all driven by their religious doctrines. while christians have had plenty of wars over the years few have been driven by christianity.
chasdal on September 7, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Drudge has linked to this article:
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/07/obama-verbal-slip-fuels-his-critics/
bnelson44 on September 7, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Smuggly putting “historical sense” on top of today’s reality is just the thing that the Muslim death cult would like you to do, but don’t think it will get you out of the Dead Pool.
TheCulturalist on September 7, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Ehhhh….I’ve had my share of emotional outbursts (just ask Dave Rywall). But overall, I am very happy to be here and enjoy the company of my HotAiread friends. Thank goodness this is not a fever swamp.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 7:01 PM
My favorite. *cracks a Honey Porter*
You know what would be fun… carry this conversation over to Ko(ok)s.
*sadistically grins*
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Absolutely correct. Hitting him on this gaffe even if one believes it is credible carries too much risk for blowback. What is ideal is to force the media to examine Barry’s buddies. Jeremiah Wright is his doom in the bible belt…probably even more so than Barry the Jihadist memes.
People will be very uncomfortable due to political correctness to judge the alien but you better believe they will not hesitate a moment to be harsh with something they feel a part of.
I have been going to Church for 30 years I can remeber and I have yet to ever hear “Goddamn America”.
Most of the nation will feel the same.
Nice civil discourse and all the best,
sven
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Oh brother. The Crusades were mostly a long overdue defensive action not comparable to Islam at all. And the Islamic extremists are the apostates.
semloh on September 7, 2008 at 7:03 PM
This will backfire on CONSERVATIVES.
It was nice having the victim card for a week though…….
eski502 on September 7, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Don’t get me wrong. I am all for carpet bombing the hell out of terrorists. Once that is over, however, we’ll need to do something with all the new beach front property.
That tidbit was the sole mistake in engaging Iraq. Fortunately, we have McCain and Patreaus to take care of that bit.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Bollocks….Barry left McCain’s out right there in his stammering….
Barry: see McCain is attacking me on Islam through HotAir!
McCain: yeah just like Barack bought into DailyKos saying Trig Palin is the result of incest between Bristol and her dad….grow up nancy.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 7:07 PM
Uh, ever read the Koran? Your “perversion” of Islam is nothing more than FUNDAMENTAL Islam. They are doing nothing more than strictly following the precepts of Islam itself.
Christianity no longer strictly follows the Bible… we’ve moved beyond that, otherwise we’d still be burning witches…
I hate to say it, but “Moderate” Moslems, are NOT following the Koran… and the example set by the Perfected Man Mohamed.
I might add that Jihad Watch is written by Robert Spencer, who has researched and written numerous books on Fundamental Islam, and what the “Terrorists” are saying about themselves…
Face it, when your Religion is based on the writings of a Barbaric Warlord who massacered villages, and holds him up as a Perfect Example… then its not going to be a Religion of Peace…
Romeo13 on September 7, 2008 at 7:07 PM
Yikes. Geez louise, Damiano, you really do need to read the Quran. Keep in, mind that Christianity is based on the NEW Testament – in which not a word is preached to support persecuting others for their religion. To Christians, the OLD Testament is, for the most part, a messianic prophecy.
The murders, calumnies and wars that Christians have waged throughout the centuries were done in SPITE of what Jesus taught, whereas the murders, calumnies and wars of Islam were done BECAUSE that is what Mohammed taught them to do.
Big difference, my friend.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 7:07 PM
+1 if 3200 deqad churches in North Africa and the Holy Land are not more “ethnic cleansing” than anything today I don’t know what is….
Christianity had 50% of its numbers either killed or converted at swordpoint…
that happened FIRST the Crusades were a response.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 7:08 PM
Lex Luthor Realty can handle it, Damiano. They are specialists in beach front property.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 7:09 PM
Fine.
I’m getting a beer too then.
TheCulturalist on September 7, 2008 at 7:09 PM
That is a matter of perspective and history is written by the victor.
Again, my argument is not out of blindness to the atrocities of some Islamic cultures, nor out of intent to justify that which cannot be justified.
There is a strong argument that the Crusades were a defensive action, however it is equally strong on both sides.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 7:11 PM
They would gape in slack-jawed surprise, a steady stream of saliva drooling onto their bibs. This kind of discourse is utterly foreign to them.
To quote Ray Zalinsky (of Zalinsky Auto Parts in the movie Tommy Boy): “Gad, I love this.”
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 7:11 PM
That is demonstrably and totally false and math proves it.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 7:12 PM
What can I say that I haven’t already said? I have studied the Koran, I have a copy of it, you can download every version of it on the internet. I’ve gone through the Sura’s with Doctor Spenser and I’ve read with my own eyes what’s in there. It is evil, it is a death cult. I could dig out all of the verses that prove this, but I’m not going to do it, you can do that yourself if you are interested. I can tell by your tone you are more interested in convincing me I don’t know what I’m talking about than learning anything.
All the death and killing associated with Islam is not a perversion of Islam, it is in accordance with their “holy book,” the Koran. If you don’t believe its in there, its because you have not read it, I have.
Maxx on September 7, 2008 at 7:13 PM
I would not smear the Obama with this but his inability to articulate his faith is astonishing!
When interviewed in 2004 and asked Who’s Jesus to you? Obama answered:
I just find it very peculiar.
186k on September 7, 2008 at 7:13 PM
I did nothing of the sort. You are trying to give me a headache with all your thimblerig.
semloh on September 7, 2008 at 7:15 PM
There were atrocities enough to go all around, Damiano. But the fact remains that Islam poured out of Arabia in the 7th century and swept through the Middle East, North Africa and Iberia – all of which were Christian – an conquered them by the sword.
This can no more be disputed than the fact that the sun rises in the east and Sam Adams is, hands down, the BEST Amercian beer.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Yes he did.
QED
franksalterego on September 7, 2008 at 7:16 PM
I doubt he could enunciate it but he seems to have eked out a very Catharic point of view on faith.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Somewhat hyperbolic…but essentially correct.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 7:19 PM
Bingo.
Just because the death cult likes to pretend anywhere where Islamic blood has been shed is thereby instantly ordianed Muslim in perpetuity does not change that the residents of Christian North Africa were Christian, were peaceful, and were force converted or killed.
Math is math jstifications are rhetoric.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 7:19 PM
The Islamic Jihadi armies swept brutally across the Middle East, North Africa, South Asia, and Southwest and Southeast Europe as a defensive measure?
Is this like the Japanese defensive attack on pearl harbor? Or, Hitler’s defensive attack on Poland?
Loxodonta on September 7, 2008 at 7:19 PM
Me too. I can’t speak for anyone else here, but as a Christian, my knee-jerk response would be: He is the Son of God.
Am I missing something in Obama’s response?
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 7:21 PM
He didn’t. Please don’t be an ass.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 7:22 PM
So you agree that Sam Adams is the best? Excellent!
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 7:24 PM
I don’t see how one gains absolution by confessing sins that one hasn’t committed.
Loxodonta on September 7, 2008 at 7:27 PM
There may (and I don’t know this for sure) be a kind of westernized version of Islam that is non violent, and preaches non violence. I’ve seen movies where that shows up (thus, no proof of existence).
My quick take: Judaism seems to be a religious foundation for the rule of those put in charge by the Persians after the fall of Babylon.
Christianity was the creation of (mostly Greek) philosophers in an attempt to modernize religion into something relevant to the civilization they lived in.
Islam is the collection of sayings and writings from one man who went from cult leader to Emperor through martial conquest and intimidation.
Count to 10 on September 7, 2008 at 7:32 PM
“When Barack’s berserkers lost the plot“, by Nick Cohen, The Observer, Sept. 7, 2008
AP did the right thing debunking this “Obama said he’s a Muslim” BS as a simple misstatement or an unclear statement.
Conservatives do not need to act like the Liberal fools going berserk against Palin. This is the time to cheerfully discuss how McCain-Palin plans for the economy are better than the failed socialism proposed by Obama.
Right_of_Attila on September 7, 2008 at 7:34 PM
As to Christianity’s influence on democracy and freedom…
One only needs to point out:
Number of non Christian societies with a freely elected government, that was formed purely of internal influence = 0
Closest Islam ever came was post-Ottoman Turkey. Which worked when it was based on de-Ottomization (ie: end of Islam as an influence). It’s failing now that the people now want their Sharia and are voting accordingly. All the influence of Islam.
As yet, no Christian nation once truly given free democracy has yet used the religion itself to retreat back to the Dark Ages.
wildcat84 on September 7, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Methinks it might have something to do with his definition of faith. Is faith merely a synonym for religion, as in my faith is Judaism, or my faith is Christianity. This is most likely Obama’s take. But faith to someone who is religious is something different and much more than just a title of a religion.
I think his words make sense in that context, but I highly doubt he has “faith” in the way you probably think of it. His whole political life shows otherwise.
JiangxiDad on September 7, 2008 at 7:47 PM
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 7:22 PM
No Christian on the face of the earth makes that slip.
franksalterego on September 7, 2008 at 7:48 PM
At least he isn’t an Atheist. *shudders*
JayHaw Phrenzie on September 7, 2008 at 7:52 PM
Wouldn’t be politic.
JiangxiDad on September 7, 2008 at 7:54 PM
You guest?
…
Count to 10 on September 7, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Er…jest?
Count to 10 on September 7, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Tee hee.
RushBaby on September 7, 2008 at 7:57 PM
if you read the post and watched the video and still believe that then you are either willfully ignorant or incredibly stupid. your choice.
chasdal on September 7, 2008 at 7:59 PM
Remember the Spengler article? Barry’s an outside, a created thing, who picked pieces of this and that to construct an identity. He picked a religion. He “isn’t” anything naturally. Frankly, I don’t blame him for that, but it colors his way of looking at and interacting with the world.
JiangxiDad on September 7, 2008 at 7:59 PM
The correction does not pass the smell test.
If he meant ‘Christian faith’ – why would McCain attack him for being a Christian? He would not.
To me this makes sense. There is increasing evidence Obama was raised a muslim. He claims he has never been a muslim – but he cannot escape his own childhood memories.
His memories of his childhood are memories of being raised as a muslim. Obama thinks this would hurt him politically so he has deceived us on this fact.
Mr Purple on September 7, 2008 at 8:03 PM
The hilarious thing is were he even barely moderately pro-choice the evangelicals would love the story of the “Muslim boy he got God instead”….
the problems for Barry grabbing that meme:
1) inafnticide support of the worst sort
2) he picked Rev GODDAMN AMERICA! for tough guy street cred
3) he seems to dabble in the faith rasther than embrace it there have been several times he has busted out scripture that not only did not say it meant what he said but meant the inverse.
4) his brother living in “this old box”…
so nevermind I guess he is right to try to delude not only us but himself on who he is…
it has got to be hard to shave that face knowing the compromises he’s made.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 8:11 PM
My problem with this interview was the extremely misleading title ABC chose to give it: Obama: McCain Has Suggested I Am Muslim.
That’s a lie, as anyone who watches the interview can see.
Paul_in_NJ on September 7, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Surprising how easy it was for Obama to say Muslim and had to be told to say Christian. And even at that didn’t say it with conviction.
randynacol2002 on September 7, 2008 at 8:15 PM
A few odds-
Isn’t it odd that after more then 20 years of being a Christian he seems to have no Christian friends?
(behind closed doors)
Isn’t it odd that after more then 20 years as a Christian we have(as of yet) seen any pictures of obama at any Christian events?
Isn’t odd that after 20 years in Rev Wrights Church we(as of yet)have not seen any pictures of obama at Rev Wrights Church?
Isn’t it odd that obama has not only befriended muslims, but radical muslims.
Isn’t it odd that obama does not write in his books about his visit to Pakistan?
Isn’t it odd that as a Christian obama has no respect for the life of the unborn?
Isn’t it odd that if elected we don’t have to worry about obama being the man to push “the button” but to remove it?
odd isn’t it.
christene on September 7, 2008 at 8:16 PM
I agree with Allah that he is not admitting to being a Muslim; but it is strange phrasing. Why the possessive? If someone had accused Obama of being a homosexual (NTTAWWT), I don’t think he would say: “John McCain has not talked about my homosexuality”, would he?
melchitt on September 7, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Lacking, as I do, the ability to see into other peoples’ hearts I can only speak for myself.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Meh. Did you cut and paste this from a chain e-mail? Sounds like it.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Hey MM,
I’m sure America would love to get this audio, you think you can pull some green together and grab it?
http://changingworldviews.blogspot.com/2008/02/barack-obamas-muslim-call-to-prayer.html
christene on September 7, 2008 at 8:35 PM
You are preaching to the wrong choir, brother. There are plenty of solid reasons to attack Obama. This isn’t one of them.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 8:35 PM
People who keep pushing this silly “Obama is a Muslim” meme are not doing us any favors.
For the love of Allah, please cut it out.
The Ugly American on September 7, 2008 at 8:47 PM
…not that there’s anything wrong with that (in the first place)…
The Ugly American on September 7, 2008 at 8:48 PM
The funny thing is, with this, the flag fiasco, the clinging to guns and religion comment, Obama seems to be making a lot of really stupid little mistakes that keep biting him on the rear. It is a lack of attention to detail, as my old drill sergeant used to say.
coyoterex on September 7, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Obama is so totally rattled, this is getting more fun by the minute!
richard_223 on September 7, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Admission or not, Obama will not do well in this election if he continues to play the victim.
AbaddonsReign on September 7, 2008 at 9:46 PM
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