Video: No, Obama didn’t “admit” to being a Muslim on ABC
posted at 3:00 pm on September 7, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Within 10 minutes of this airing we’d already gotten four or five e-mails about it; 20 minutes later, a bowdlerized version had already hit YouTube and begun circulating. I despise lefty sites for twisting conservatives’ words by selectively editing clips, so let’s cut this one off at the pass before it gets going. Here’s the full exchange with Stephanopoulos, making it perfectly clear that when he says “my Muslim faith” he’s referring to how the people smearing him see him, not how he sees himself. No mas, please.
Exit question: If McCain’s responsible for every smear leveled against Obama by a conservative whether he condemns it or not — as certain prominent nutroots bloggers have long asserted — then by extension isn’t Sullivan’s Palin smearapalooza a de facto operation of the Obama campaign? Assuming, that is, that it’s not an actual operation of the Obama campaign.
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Your reading comprehension sucks, and your ego appears to be a little overfed. When you get the authority to edit or delete posts, or when you stop flame baiting, then I’ll shut up.
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Lets see, I could forget my car key’s, my phone number, my address book or my Fathers’ Father’s middle name, I could not forget my religion.NEVER! ..and more-so with it seeming to be front and center along with obama’s many lies!! …always the victim! Sorry obamatheliar,America needs a VICTOR!
christene on September 7, 2008 at 4:41 PM
He’s simply not used to it. This is the first time he has had to face an opoonent from start to finish in a campaign. Barry simply was not ready for the top job this cycle.
MidgetMan3 is a democratic operative. That he felt the need to try to defuse the gaffe shows how in the tank This Week is. THAT is what we point out to people by showing the clip.
They can make up there own mind on the fruedian nature or not of Uh bam Uh’s “eloquence”.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 4:41 PM
This one’s difficult. I don’t think he slipped, because he seemed to be considering his words carefully in the moments before the “admission.” At the same time I just find it hard to believe in the trutheristic theory that bambi is secretly a muslim attempting to take over the US and spread sharia law.
DarkeningCloud on September 7, 2008 at 4:41 PM
If we didn’t defend him for being Muslim (defined as a religion), the left would swoop in and brand us as bigoted hypocrites, and probably manage to discredit the right’s claim as defenders of the Constitution.
This incident, to me, is not funny at all. It reminds me quite painfully of how Islam has been incorrectly defined, and how several of our flanks are vulnerable because of it.
RushBaby on September 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Proof by assertion. Keep ranting, Mr. Self-Appointed Forum Moderator, it’s amusing.
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM
I’ll save fossten a reply:
“You’re not the forum moderator! You can’t tell me what to do! I can say whatever I want! I never said Obama was a Muslim! That’s not what I said! Prove it! Nyah nyah! Quit ruining my fun, guys!”
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Obama loves home grown unrepentant terrorists that wish they did more bombings, he loves the corrupted slumlords in Chicago that kept the low income African-American communities in poorly heated homes and filth that Obama organized and that slumlord financed Obama’s campaigns in Chicago, Obama loves the Racist Reverend that he spent time with in Chicago for 20 years that showed him around the community and taught him how to trick the masses..
Oh, but what a swell guy.. did I tell you how charming he is and how articulate that he is?
Just a wonderful person.
Could have been a whistle blower, but ended up being on the take.
Chakra Hammer on September 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM
You sound even more like SaintOlaf than SaintOalf sounds like SaintOlaf.
semloh on September 7, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Vader, release him! This bickering is pointless. Now the MSM will provide us with the location of the hidden Obama/Biden gaffes. We will then crush the Obama campaign with one swift stroke.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Wait…are you doing this just to entertain people, or what? The irony is like devil’s food.
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:44 PM
I guess in the absolute worse case scenario. I’m unconvinced. If someone lies and uses that lie for political reasons, most people don’t go “but if the lie was true”. Rudy is a great example, he eviscerated Obama on the divided Jerusalem issue without making it about anti-Semitism etc. The guys running the campaign has been running a hard hitting, but fair campaign. So fair that Step had to challenge Obama’s assertion McCain plays the race card.
So no, I’m not going worry about. A liar is a liar first. Subject matter is secondary to character.
Spirit of 1776 on September 7, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Wow. This thread has really brought the cream of the crap out. Apparently I’m not a real conservative because I argue against that which has been proven wrong but sounds good, and atheists aren’t really conservatives because of their choices of religion.
Okay, now tell us how your denomination of Christianity is more conservative than others. Let’s narrow it down rationally.
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:46 PM
?
Spirit of 1776 on September 7, 2008 at 4:47 PM
As you wish.
*clunk*
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:47 PM
WTF, This guy is INCOHERENT!!!
I found this on Rush:
RUSH: Obama is in Scranton and said this.
OBAMA: Global warming is a serious problem. Uh, i-it’s not just some tree hugger, you know, uhhh, sprout eatin’ liberal thing. You know, the polar ice caps are melting. Temperatures are getting warmer in the oceans, and it could wreck (sic) havoc on our agriculture. It could increase insect-borne diseases.
RUSH: But it isn’t.
OBAMA: I mean, it could really m-mess things up, making hurricanes and tornadoes much more powerful and change w-weather patterns fundamentally. So we’ve got to take this seriously, and I’ve got the most aggressive plan to try to roll back, uhh, global warming.
RUSH: The bloom is off the rose here. This is amateur day in Scranton, Pennsylvania. “Well, global warming a serious problem, not just some, uhh, tree hugger, uhhh, sprout eatin’ liberal thing.” That’s exactly what it is. (laughing) “You know, polar ice caps are melting.” (laughing) I gotta hear this again. This guy is becoming laughable to me here.
reshas1 on September 7, 2008 at 4:49 PM
Oh, gee, thanks. /s
You know, looking through that, I’m not sure I can find a single sentence there that is true. In particular, anyone can have an “absolute value,” ideals that they would die for.
Let me ask this: who holds a value more strongly, one who believes he will have eternal bliss by dying for said value, or one who expects only the end of his existence.
Count to 10 on September 7, 2008 at 4:49 PM
In politics, there are no lies. Only “flip-flops”.
Unless a Republican says it.
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Modern Radical Islam is 3 parts totalitarian corporatism for every part religion. The trouble is not “Islam” the trouble is politicized Islamic Pan-Nationalism writ large. As long as we walk on eggshells terrified of “being a bigot” on calling the Wahabbi out we’ll spend 12,000,000,000 a month to solve a 15 cent problem.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Talent hits a target few can hit. Genius hits a target few can see.
semloh on September 7, 2008 at 4:51 PM
It’s a definitions game (to Jews Christianity is not Abrahamic eather) – so i’ll let it be whatever you want. Thing is, Koran is a pure case of plagiarism, taking many of it’s pages from the Bible, to add to what pagan customes existed in ancient Arabia – and then claiming the Bible is a forged document.
There are some good parts in Islam, that eventually reformed the rabid and savage Arabic tribes into somewhat more solid society, but at the same time introduced undealt with parts of the same savageness into the entire world. But the main thing is – the Bible is autoritarian, and the religion dictates the rule of law, unlike the pagan religions which had religion locked up in shrines and only when in need did the leaders turn to pagan gods for guidance – and even that only as an advice.
Muhammad took the page from the Bible on that one – and our problem with him is not that a religion can be a all ecompassing system that has a say in politics, economy, law and culture, but with what the system itself constitutes of.
Aristotle on September 7, 2008 at 4:51 PM
This guy is making my day. I’m beginning to think Biden is posting here.
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:52 PM
This is a poisoned pawn just like the whole CoLB thing that he released to Kos. Ignore it.
equanimous on September 7, 2008 at 4:53 PM
A simple brain f*rt.
Next.
Dave Rywall on September 7, 2008 at 4:54 PM
I”ve read many posts here that the blogs and MSM’s smearing of Governor Palin has boomeranged, increasing her popularity.
Why would anyone here want to spread false charges against Obama that could have the same effect?
Obama has provided plenty of real ammunition that should be used against him. And this includes the rambling, often disjointed, statements he makes when not using a teleprompter, that then have to be clarified or corrected, as in the posted video.
Thanks for posting the video & commentary, AP.
Loxodonta on September 7, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Door’s been opened. A Muslim will run for Pres sooner or later. We’ll have to defend him (no religious test) so how do we attack him in the political arena? All this “Religion of Peace” stuff will be stuffed down our throats. All these years after 9/11, and Islam is STILL being characterized as a religion.
It really has little to do with the video under discussion, though. I need to quit with this hijacking of this thread.
RushBaby on September 7, 2008 at 4:55 PM
I have no illusions about what Islam represents. But I don’t have any trouble laughing at Obama looking silly in a trap of his own making. He accuses Republicans of saying something about him and messes the whole thing up so he looks stupid. Doesn’t bother me.
Spirit of 1776 on September 7, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Cripes, Obama wants people to focus on stupid issues like this to protect his really large and more dangerous flaws.
reaganaut on September 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM
you may want to stop feeding the Me$$iah beans drywall….he has a bunch of them then.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Actually, he makes Biden look measured and intelligent.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM
on policy. on character. Just like we do everyone else.
Spirit of 1776 on September 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM
I have the utmost respect for Christians and the values presented by Christianity. I have not, however, seen the “proof” that you suggest of the existence of God, only a interesting philosophical argument without conclusion.
I have absolute values that are substantively identical to Christian values. The difference is that I hold these values on a personal level and keep them because to do otherwise would be an insult to my fellow human beings and the sense of human right, dignity and decency that we should all share, regardless of perceived consequences of a speculative afterlife.
I am the precise opposite of an elitist. I have worked my entire life, from blue collar positions to the role of CEO, as a matter of service to others. When starting my businesses, all of my employee were paid better than me because my company could not exist without them. In harder times, I have given everything I own to others for the sole reason of avoiding any claim of taking what is not mine and in deference to the needs of others.
Now, with all due respect to your faith and the values we both claim to share, I suppose that insulting me, calling me an elitist who has no base values is an example of Christian values?
Also, for your information, I supported Sarah Palin as an ideal VP choice for about a month prior to her selection, I have opposed the liberal shift of the Republican party for years. All of which is evidenced by my posts here.
Simple question- who is more elitist and lacking concrete values? The person who say that I support all these ideals without religious attachments or the person who attacks someone, without substantive argument for doing so; while suggesting that the Atheist cannot be “truly” a conservative?
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM
My point was that Christianity came right out of Judaism, so it’s connection is intimate and real, unlike islam’s successful attempt to merely steal the biblical line.
Yep.
I agree with the rest of your post (and the rest of the first one). I just have a pet peeve about the “3 Abrahamic religions” thing.
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 4:57 PM
I’ll agree with you on the old testament, but the new testament seems quite disconnected from governing. The whole “Render unto Cesar” thing.
Count to 10 on September 7, 2008 at 4:57 PM
The only true test of character is what someone does if they believe that there will be no afterlife reward or punishment.
semloh on September 7, 2008 at 4:58 PM
One of very, very many. At the rate he’s going, he’ll nead a dose of mental Bean-O.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Well, gee, I don’t know what to think. It’s not like he’s ever told us a damn thing about his personal life. Maybe if every subject under the sun weren’t off limits, people might know who this guy is.
Oh, on second thought ..
Ronnie on September 7, 2008 at 4:59 PM
“eloquence”
I mean if he weren’t such a dangerous followed moonbat I’d vote for him just for the opportunity to ram him down the throats of the moonats who mock Bush speaking….
“most eloquent Lawyer to ever come out of Harvard”….
he is 100% Affirmitive Action IN Action
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Not a muslim – just a moron
DamnCat on September 7, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Obambi is confused and mis-stated ( probably Freudian or maybe childhood memories) but it was really Stephanopoulos who screwed this up…someone needs to ask Stephanopoulos if HE thinks obambi is mooslim.
shooter on September 7, 2008 at 5:01 PM
semloh on September 7, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Nice. I have to say I envy you a bit.
Count to 10 on September 7, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Ahh, okay, so let’s apply this “YOU SAID THE WORDS SO THAT IS WHAT YOU MEAN IN YOUR HEART” bullsh*t to both candidates.
So when McCain said Iran but he meant Iraq, he really meant Iran? That would make him incredibly stupid, incompetent and dangerously ignorant about the middle east.
You can’t have it both ways.
Next.
Dave Rywall on September 7, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Glad you agree.
Count to 10 on September 7, 2008 at 5:04 PM
QFT
Envy is silly. We are all on the same team with the same beliefs and are equally skilled in our own ways. A good example would be your ability to post something without suffering from ‘Biden-syndrome’, unlike me.
Dude, you are cracking me up today… lmao
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 5:05 PM
quite the contrary, unlike policy religion should not be tossed about like underwear….
You are also missing the point Drywall.
Wanna know why your guy is stumbling? Look no further than Mr. Snuffolupagis there. The media is killing Bambi because he is a creation and creature of them.
McCain is 3000 years old remember? A flipping moron who finished dead last at Annapolis etc etc etc.
Barry has been built up as a
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Um…Dave…only one or two clowns in this thread are seiously dallying with this meme. Allah rightly called it out for the idiocy it is. Madison wasted a bunch of keystrokes arguing with one of these dummies. You are whistling in the wind.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Note: 9/7/2008, 5:02 PM. Dave Rywall actually wrote something I agree with.
Count to 10 on September 7, 2008 at 5:06 PM
The trouble is Islam. Just as the trouble with Nazism was Nazism and not politicized Nazi Pan-Nationalism.
semloh on September 7, 2008 at 5:06 PM
secular Me$$iah who is FAR more vulnerable because of his lack of a record and preening.
Sucks to be you.
(and evidently the batteries in my keyboard.)
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Not really. He was trying hard not to credit McCain and his campaign with trying to stop this baseless accusation. In his zeal to be on the offense in this interview, he made an awkward choice of words. He’s just not a very polished politician.
RushBaby on September 7, 2008 at 5:07 PM
M
Amen to that.
Elric66 on September 7, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Why, thank you, Sir. I thought you could use a bit of cheering up after Gabe’s idiotic assault. As a Catholic myself, I’d like to apologize on his behalf.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 5:08 PM
I disagree, Islam is quite content most times to wallow about in its own filth. It takes organization and intimidation to make the system work. Were we willing to engage in some side taking and hard wet covert action all the time this would not have happened.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Hear, Hear!
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Why, thank you, Sir. I thought you could use a bit of cheering up after Gabe’s idiotic assault. As a Catholic myself, I’d like to apologize on his behalf.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 5:08 PM
lol… no harm, no foul. I bestow my Atheist forgiveness on Christians who have no sense of their own values.
… that and promising to be an indentured servant will get you into an Obama speech at a football stadium.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Correct, and what makes it so funny is that his stammering and such belies an ineffectual unfocused mind. His supporters and confidants are scared shitless of him screwing up. His body language was totally relaxed meaning he trusts MidgetMan3….
if Steph had faith he was a good politico he would not have jumped in to “help”….
Barry is gonna flame out based on the racism of donk low expectations.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Personally I find the Jeremiah Wright racist extremist christian thing a better line of attack as it is both true and verifiable.
Why beat the dead horse of the muslim thing? The guy is clearly not a muslim. He likes racist preachers and terrorists. Isn’t that enough?
VolMagic on September 7, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Well, when I say that, it would probably be more accurate to describe it as regretting not having gone out and taken the kind of risks you must have in order to have that experience.
I’m just a lowly scientist with a newly minted Ph.D., trying to figure out if I have actually done anything to earn my way.
Count to 10 on September 7, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Yeah, I watched it on LGF when it was first posted. No, I don’t think he is Muslim, but that was a pretty damn dumb mistake to make. Maverick and ‘Cuda must have him pretty shaken right now. Good thing Stephanopolous was there to correct him. Obama’s handlers must be beating their heads against the wall these days./s
Kevin71 on September 7, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Bingo any attack on Palin’s faith by the press should be met with….
well I’ll take you to my Church and let’s go visit Barry’s of twenty years with a hidden camera m’kay?
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 5:11 PM
I think the veil of the messiah has slipped, and a crooked Chicago politician has been exposed and uncovered.
Chakra Hammer on September 7, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Heh heh heh heh….
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 5:14 PM
You must have a very strange definition of “most times”.
semloh on September 7, 2008 at 5:14 PM
ae weeks ago barry was thumping his chest over the McCain “celebrity” ads screaming in a very bad black evangelical impersonation….
“John McCain don’t KNOW WHAT HE UP AGAINST!”
no Barry I’m pretty certain John’s taken your measure and found you wanting.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Yes. Islam = the Koran. The whole thing has been explained chapter and verse on this website by Robert Spencer.
And thanks for 4:51 PM.
RushBaby on September 7, 2008 at 5:15 PM
Read this
Obama and his Rezko ties
Then Read this..
Barack Obama: I trusted Rezko
Senator says friend raised more money than previously known
Obama is a crook.
Chakra Hammer on September 7, 2008 at 5:15 PM
I agree entirely.
This past week has shattered any of the unwarranted “taboos” placed on the media’s exploration of Obama’s nefarious history.
I only hope that we can work together to embarrass the media enough to actually do it.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 5:15 PM
That’s unfair and wrong. fossten was not accusing Husein of being a muslim in any serious way. He made a glancing reference. Big deal.
But for some people, even intimating that it might be a Freudian slip is now totally off-limits. I mean, what the heck was supposed to be posted in this thread, just lines of “Great post, AP. He’s not a muslim.”??
There was a major gaffe. People rightfully looked at it and played with its strangeness and some conservatives got a little uptight about the discussion.
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Precisely! We have so much high-powered ammunition to use. Why risk a bomb that will only go off in our own faces?
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 5:16 PM
1480s-1990s with the exception of say the Ottoman empire.
Peaceful?
No
national threat?
not most times either
We need to kill some and buy others quietly.
It worked for 200 years.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Looking back at its history, its been expanding ever since its founding except perhaps from after the Gates of Vienna till oil was discovered in the Middle East. Only time its “content” is when its weak.
Elric66 on September 7, 2008 at 5:17 PM
These guys are pathetic and are stooping to the lowest levels, check out this site…
http://impalin.com/
reshas1 on September 7, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Yes we can! *flshes thumbs up and grins*
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Heck, that happened months ago. Too bad that the media insists upon averting it’s eyes in deference to it’s savior.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 5:18 PM
the only way it’ll happen is for all of us republicans to demand it every time we answer any question on Palin’s personal life….
ALL OF US TO EVERY NEWSIE…
local reporter: do you think palin is qualified to be VP?
us: well actually as compared to Barack Obama for President absolutely.
Newsie: does Palin’s child bother you?
US: not as much as some of the friends like William Ayers Barry has around his kids.
and on and on
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 5:20 PM
In the nuclear age that strategy is obsolete. A million for defense, but not one penny for tribute.
They must be destroyed – completely.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Okay… who is with me in calling the media out on their Barry/ Palin double standard?
I say we all start calling/ emailing/ writing to every major network and demand an investigation into Ayres/ Rezco/ Wright/ etc.
Along with that, I am hung up on Gutman not being fired yet.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 5:21 PM
no until we foolishly demanded “new nations” in the region…
“empowered Islam” is a result of the death of the British and French empires and our benign view on domination.
Radical Islam could be eliminated in 20 years without a shot with energy policy based on sense and atomic power and the national will to use “darker” methods in aggressive retirement counseling of radical Imams.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 5:22 PM
All in good time, my pretty…all in good time. The Guttman gaffe happened on Friday. Tomorrow begins another news cycle. I’m sure that Rush, Sean, Mark and Laura will gin it up.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Don’t you mean Stand up! Stand up and Fight!?
Count to 10 on September 7, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Check out this PUMA’s for Palin video!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrbhYQLrqp0&feature=related
txdoc on September 7, 2008 at 5:23 PM
perhaps I am not being clear…you buy group b to help kill leader of a then buy c to hit b….
rinse and repeat
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Here’s something interesting Obama challenges McCain to debate foreign policy with him http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Obama_challenges_McCain_to_debate_foreign_policy_with_him_/articleshow/3456082.cms#write
Tazz 55 on September 7, 2008 at 5:24 PM
The only way to destroy Islam is to give it freedom and economic prosperity – both of which pretty much gutted both Christianity and Judaism in Europe and America. I’m convinced that is the reason for the invasion of Iraq…to use it as the locus of “infection” for the entire Muslim world.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 5:24 PM
See my 5:24 post, Sven.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Democrats
BDU-33 on September 7, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Um…yeah…I was making a joke at the Messiah’s expense.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 5:26 PM
The “exit question” in the post says it all. Obama does take it a bit too far — he claims that McCain and the “upper echelons” of his campaign aren’t making the claims, but implies that the lower echelons are, and, hence, that it is a problem in the “Republican camp”.
Given that the Republicans have a “big tent” just as the Democrats do, we can expect that if Obama wants to hold all Republican feet to the fire when a nutroot blows off about his religion, he will allow Republicans to hold Democratic feet (including his) to the fire about a certain weird desire to see Track Palin killed while he’s deployed to Iraq
unclesmrgol on September 7, 2008 at 5:26 PM
You do understand the difference between there being no religious test and people being able to use whatever criteria they like in judging candidates right?
TheBigOldDog on September 7, 2008 at 5:27 PM
I would agree, but from events in Afghanistan to events in Pakistan, and Iraq I fear that Islamic people will always balk at taking the final step and approach the political franchise as a truly individual exercise to secure personal liberty.
They were going to kill a refugee who had converted to Xianity in germany while my wife was there and certain officers were terrified it would kill Allied force morale to be in a position of defending Karzai after that.
Luckily cooler heads prevailed and he was simply exiled.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Here is another one I think Rush/ Hannity/ Laura/ etc. need to get on:
The McCain death pool. Let’s assume, contrary to 1200 pages of medical records presented to the contrary, that McCain only makes it to the median age of 75. That means Palin has 3 years in the Whitehouse with the best training wheels available on top of her already formidable record, accomplishments and experience.
vs.
Barry is an idiot from day one and Biden has had two aneurysms and has released no medical records.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 5:27 PM
see my 5:27…
I prefer doing what has worked….without massive oil revenues they can barely eat.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Obama read the Gallop poll today. So, after saying he’d debate McCain any day, anywhere; then refusing all but a few debates; now Obama wants more debates. If the polls reverse, Obama won’t be able to agree on a date or venue. It’s all polls all the time. This is judgment to
leadfollow the polls.Loxodonta on September 7, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Could this be one of those “Freudian Slips”???
Just asking…
Bogeyfre on September 7, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Yes, of course. Have you contemplated how a political campaign would look like with a Muslim running for pres? That’s all I’m doing.
RushBaby on September 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM
yeah but this is what he said Obama once again slammed his McCain for supporting the Bush administration’s “big strategic blunder” in Iraq and accused him of trying to “snatch defeat from jaws of victory”.
Tazz 55 on September 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Yeah, sorry. Just can’t get enough of that line.
Count to 10 on September 7, 2008 at 5:33 PM
I disagree. Islam will not react to individual empowerment the same way that Western cultures did. Islam is not Western and neither are any of its underlying cultures. Look to Turkey to see how vigilant one must remain against islam.
The fact is, by my reckoning, the arab/muslim/persian threats to the world start and stop at the control of the gulf oil fields. islam must be defanged. There is no other way. It cannot be modernized out of its problems, not in any clean way, at least.
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 5:33 PM
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