Video: No, Obama didn’t “admit” to being a Muslim on ABC
posted at 3:00 pm on September 7, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Within 10 minutes of this airing we’d already gotten four or five e-mails about it; 20 minutes later, a bowdlerized version had already hit YouTube and begun circulating. I despise lefty sites for twisting conservatives’ words by selectively editing clips, so let’s cut this one off at the pass before it gets going. Here’s the full exchange with Stephanopoulos, making it perfectly clear that when he says “my Muslim faith” he’s referring to how the people smearing him see him, not how he sees himself. No mas, please.
Exit question: If McCain’s responsible for every smear leveled against Obama by a conservative whether he condemns it or not — as certain prominent nutroots bloggers have long asserted — then by extension isn’t Sullivan’s Palin smearapalooza a de facto operation of the Obama campaign? Assuming, that is, that it’s not an actual operation of the Obama campaign.
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Taqiyya is a doctrine practiced by the people we fight.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 3:53 PM
The only positive thing to come out of this is a few comments of morons at DKos freaking out assuming this non-gaffe is going to cost him the election.
jimmy the notable on September 7, 2008 at 3:53 PM
Bill hits him a little harder in part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTSiq90zYSk
Tazz 55 on September 7, 2008 at 3:53 PM
by the most articulate artful speaker to ever grace the national stage….
//keef olberdoofus&christine matthews
You can’t have it both ways for the most brilliant orator to ever come out of Harvard he sure does footbullet a lot.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 3:54 PM
It is a gaffe to say “about my muslim faith”. In any constallation of the sentence.
I can’t believe how irrationally touchy people become when touching the forbidden muslim subject. Remember the ban on saying Obama’s f*cking middle name? This is beyond pathetic. Grow a pair.
Aristotle on September 7, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Who gives a crap about Stephen Colbare…
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Yeah, I get that, he has more ums and uhs than anybody. But this is an incredibly dumb thing to jump on. If Stephanopoulis didn’t interject, completely ignoring the statement Obama was trying to make, and if Obama had been allowed to finish his statement without that buffoon who seems to not have even been listening to him cutting him off with a statement that doesn’t even make sense…then this wouldn’t have even come up.
jimmy the notable on September 7, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Hmmmm… looks like Barry isn’t having a good time anymore.
If you watch this clip without trying to focus on what he’s saying or what we’re trying to imagine he might be saying… if you simply watch this clip and take it at face value, I think you’ll see a confused, frustrated candidate who’s watching his campaign slip away… and he has no idea why.
As my dear departed Pa used to say… “that boy is snakebit”.
Drunken Angry Clown on September 7, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Well said Aristotle!
R D on September 7, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Well, that’s totally wrong.
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 3:58 PM
What if he did turn out to be a Muslim? We would have to defend him:
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The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
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U.S. Constitution: Article VI
RushBaby on September 7, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Hello?! He states, “John McCain has not brought up MY Muslim faith.” How is that NOT an admission?
I saw this on Debbie Schlussel, and she is correct that this is a freudian admission: http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/09/freudian_video.html Take a look at the clip and judge for yourself. AllahPundit is awfully quick to come to Barack Hussein Obama’s defense, and I noticed the liberals on Michelle Malkin are out in force trying to debunk this admission as well: “MY Muslim faith.”
Gabe on September 7, 2008 at 3:58 PM
I’m sorry, I’m just not interested into descending into the Democratic Underground mantra of “do whatever it takes to win.” Seeing as how every other person seems happy to go along with this, as dumb as it is, and I’m going against it, it seems that I’ve already grown a pair. I’d rather keep him out of the white house by exposing him as an idiot, an empty suit who doesn’t have marginally enough experience to be President than by convincing idiots that he might be a muslim. That’s just stupid.
jimmy the notable on September 7, 2008 at 3:58 PM
No one can lie 100% accurately 100% of the time. This just proves that point.
It’s just a gaffe about what religion you are, it’s just a gaffe about how many states there are. Sure it is …
tarpon on September 7, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Yep, something along the lines of “Hey, people, his religions is off limits! Let’s not be like the lefty wackos! Islam is a religion of peace!!!!1!ONE!!!1!!
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Allah- I have total respect for you because you don’t sink to the depths of The Daily Kos and try very hard to maintain some intellectual honesty on this site. We keep saying we’re not them and you prove it every day. Thanks.
alwaysright43 on September 7, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Agreed, 100%. If they’re editing history to make him look un-Muslim, what does that say? A) being Muslim is bad? B) ABC News doesn’t want it’s viewers to know Obama is in fact Muslim? C) George Stephanopoulis is getting death threats for teasing words from Barry against his will?
At the very least, let’s find out when the NY Times Ombudsman started working at ABC.
Western_Civ on September 7, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Nothing to see here; let’s not join the nutcases on the far left.
Midas on September 7, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Trash his pathetic, baseless, slanderous argument. Leave the gaff alone or laugh at it.
Even assuming that he is a closet Muslim (which I don’t believe) what is worse? Him being part of a religion with an enormous sense of family values and reverence to a higher power or him (in reality) being part of a religion who’s base purpose is to exploit perceived (but not substantiate) inequality and promotes racism and violence.
For Obama, being a Muslim would be a dramatic improvement.
Again, we have far better and 100% legitimate arguments against this man. Leave the unsubstantiated rumors and out of context attacks to the lefties.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Here here.
jimmy the notable on September 7, 2008 at 4:00 PM
You’ll have to show me where it says that the voter cannot hold him to task over faith in the event he is a Muslim…..
the article speaks of codified federal standards.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 4:01 PM
How do you define “go along with this?” Are you saying we’re not allowed to discuss it? Or laugh at it? Or agree with it?
I can see I’m having to repeat myself, but: OBAMA SAID IT. LET HIM CLEAN UP HIS OWN MESS WITHOUT US DOING IT FOR HIM.
The fact that you’ve chosen to pander to the lefties doesn’t prove you’ve grown a pair of anything.
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:01 PM
That was a Freudian slip of massive proportions. The ultimate gaffe machine strikes again. He can’t think and talk at the same time. Why is it that Muslims are supporting him? Why are they sending him money? If he’s a Muslim, he is exempt from telling the truth to non-Muslims. That includes Snufflupaguss. His Marxist policies disqualify him from getting elected. Unfortunately, his Kool-Aid drinking followers have been mesmerized by something.
Jarhead68 on September 7, 2008 at 4:02 PM
That’s untrue. First of all, B Hussein was, himself, confused when Stephie tried to incorrectly correct him. He had to think about it to realize what he had just said, and then he corrected himself, after agreeing with Stephie’s incorrect correction.
No one who has no attachment to islam ever says “my muslim faith” when referring to allegations others are making about them being muslims. It’s just not normal American English, which is why Stephie was confused.
Make of it what you want, but it is a gaffe at the very, very least. No completion of that sentence would have made it all okay. This is not the first time that B Hussein has exhibited very non-American patterns of speech and mistakes. I wonder where that all comes from.
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 4:03 PM
It is called “dhimmitude,” and quite a few elitist “conservatives” subscribe to it.
Gabe on September 7, 2008 at 4:04 PM
I don’t care if we was born on Mars.
the guy is corrupt, and has friends that are terrorists, racists, slumlords and convicted felons that got him started into politics, he has been dirty from the start.
Chakra Hammer on September 7, 2008 at 4:04 PM
I don’t care if Obama was born on Mars.
the guy is corrupt and a crook, and has friends that are terrorists, racists, slumlords and convicted felons that got him started into politics, he has been dirty from the start.
Chakra Hammer on September 7, 2008 at 4:05 PM
I’m not pandering to anyone.
jimmy the notable on September 7, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Man *everybody* has uhBama’s back !! Clean up on aisle 9 . come on waterboy !!
redrock on September 7, 2008 at 4:06 PM
I’m with you on this one, Captain.
JM Hanes on September 7, 2008 at 4:06 PM
That is the point I and most others seem to be focusing on.
If John McCain went into the McCain Mutiny parody Shanklin does of him on This Week with midget and cokie I am pretty certain George would not bust out thorazine and edit it out of the replay….
that *is* the difference.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 4:06 PM
I don’t agree. It has nothing to do with his alleged muslim faith and/or freudian slipping, but only with his inability to correctly phrase an English language sentence.
Aristotle on September 7, 2008 at 4:07 PM
If he turned out to be a Muslim, he would be a liar.
Spirit of 1776 on September 7, 2008 at 4:07 PM
I don’t give a rat’s rear-end if he was ever a Muslim. I’m willing to accept his assertion that he’s a Christian. What matters is the nutjobs among the Muslim “faith” who believe he was a Muslim once. That marks him for death in a number of countries and may make his contact with Muslim leaders problematic. But, truly, this isn’t even on the top twenty-five list of reasons I wouldn’t vote for the slug.
SKYFOX on September 7, 2008 at 4:08 PM
So he’s terrible at English, that doesn’t prove he’s a Muslim. The first time I watched the clip, before any sort of prep, I knew exactly what he was trying to say, so I guess my mastery is the same as Obama’s.
No, Gabe, in this case, what you guys are doing, is called “hysteria” and what I am doing is called “being rational.”
jimmy the notable on September 7, 2008 at 4:09 PM
Really? How many people have you ever heard say “My muslim faith” who weren’t muslims? Hmm?
Hell, find any quote in history where any non-muslim politician has made that “slip up.”
I will cue the Jeopardy theme for you…
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:09 PM
Yes yes, if you don’t hate every muslim on the face of the earth and don’t believe in every stupid conspiracy theory of Ronulan proportions you’re a “dhimmi”. lol
Darth Executor on September 7, 2008 at 4:10 PM
I’m wondering, when AP watches those ads with McCain’s words taken totally out of context, does he say (in his best Thurston Howell accent) “Why lovey, that’s just unfair.” ????
kevinkristy on September 7, 2008 at 4:10 PM
The only hysteria I see is people like you frantically trying to avoid offending the Kos Kids. Whoop te doo. What we’re doing is enjoying the moment, as Barry has really stepped in it, as has Stephie, and you’re acting like the fun police telling us to shut up.
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:11 PM
My point was that it was a gaffe by standards of American English. It might not be such a gaffe in other types of English. But to American ears, it is strange.
As to the reason behind the gaffe, I have no idea. Maybe it’s a brain fart. I don’t think he’s still a muslim, though his political alliances clearly tend that way, but I do think that his childhood in Indonesia might be showing through a bit.
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 4:11 PM
How many people have you ever heard say there are 57 states?
How manu people have you hear say Kansas tornadoes killed 10,000 people?
Aristotle on September 7, 2008 at 4:12 PM
I don’t care if Obama was born on Mars.
the guy is corrupt and a crook, and has friends that are terrorists, racists, slumlords and convicted felons that got him started into politics, he has been dirty from the start.
Chakra Hammer on September 7, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Marines for Mccain on September 7, 2008 at 4:13 PM
I’m not making that claim. I KNOW that he was a muslim as a child, by the rules of islam. I make no claims about his current theological ruminations. I really could not care less. Seeing Wright was enough for me to know what I think about B Hussein’s spirituality.
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 4:14 PM
Then quit attacking your own people and let the lefties dig their own way out of this, instead of helpfully providing them with talking points. By definition, you’re pandering.
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:14 PM
Just wondering to Muslims eat caribou?LMAO
Marines for Mccain on September 7, 2008 at 4:14 PM
Obama. Is. Not. A. Muslim.
Every time you continue to make that egregious and inane accusation, it earns points for his campaign. EVERY TIME.
Besides which, if he really were a Muslim, do you think he’d have Michelle for a wife?
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:15 PM
For all the people arguing that this is a “Freudian Slip”- assuming that you are correct, what is the benefit to this argument? The best case is proving him a liar, which has already been proven by countless, irrefutable statements of his that directly relate to topics and issues that are of significantly more consequence. The net result- there is no gain.
No one on earth can prove or disprove his choice of religion. Also, many people change religions as often as they change underwear. So you’ve successful engaged in an argument that cannot be won.
Now, consider the consequences of this argument:
- if you’re wrong, you have engaged is a baseless attack on someone’s religion.
- this is the type of character assault that we have unanimously condemned from the left. It has no substance, has nothing to do with issues and is of no consequence to his ability to do any job. You become one of the nutroots instead of opposition to them.
Leave it alone. Attack the full context of his baseless, slanderous and hypocritical argument.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Sigh. The fun police are out in force. Everybody shut up, no talking. Sit still at your desks and stare at the ceiling. We’ll have some milk and then everybody will be put down for a nap.
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:18 PM
None. There are also about 500 other things I’ve heard people say in conversation that were the result of a person discussing what they were not by mistakenly saying they were.
Get over yourselves. I know you hate the guy, and that’s fine. Continuing to perpetrate these things hurts nobody but McCain.
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:18 PM
I don’t know where to “park” this tidbit about governors and foreign policy experience, but Michael Ledeen had this to say over at NRO’s “The Corner”:
Let’s focus on Palin’s much better credentials as a VP candidate than on the Pretender’s numerous gaffes. (He hasn’t a clue what he is or what he believes until his handlers and the polls tell him.)
onlineanalyst on September 7, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Obama. Is. Not. A. Muslim.
Every time you continue to make that egregious and inane accusation, it earns points for his campaign. EVERY TIME.
Besides which, if he really were a Muslim, do you think he’d have Michelle for a wife?
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Marines for Mccain on September 7, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Oh, sorry to spoil your “fun”. I’m sorry we spoiled the fun of those who wanted to make jokes about Bristol Palin’s kid. We’re just the biggest buzzkills, aren’t we?
If you’re going to make accusations about someone with little to no hard evidence, then yes, shut up until you have the evidence, or go hang out with the 9/11 truthers.
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Really.
I wish they would ask BHO to stop making all these idiotic gaffes that are too funny to ignore.
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 4:20 PM
No one here panders to the left.
We are engaging in credible and substantive arguments instead of trying to prove a debunked and irrelevant internet rumor.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 4:20 PM
I’ve listened to the video several times and it seems to me that Obama did have a slip-of-the-tongue. There is no mistake that Obama was referring to McCain not making comments on Obama’s Muslim faith. Quite an admission, which is contrary to what Obama has said before; that he is not or has never been a Muslim — this despite the FACT that he was registered at a Catholic school in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro, a Muslim citizen.
Sorry, it’s on tape. Can’t fudge or spin this fact.
Get more facts:
http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=43
AdrianS on September 7, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Barack Obama
Corrupt From The Start,
Voting For Him Wouldn’t Be Smart.
William Ayres, Bernadine Dorn, Tony Rezko, Rev. Wright
Obama is Louis Farrakhan since Obama participated in the million man march…
Chakra Hammer on September 7, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Michelle is the illegitimate daughter of Angela Davis and Jeremiah Wright.
Marines for Mccain on September 7, 2008 at 4:21 PM
You get over yourself. Very few people are actually accusing him of being a muslim in this thread. Most of us are merely enjoying the deconstruction of his statement, Stephie’s coverup, and the overall implications.
Your attempt to be a self-appointed arbiter of all things good for McCain yada yada makes you look pompous and narcissistic.
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:21 PM
I’m pointing out that for conservatives whose principles include defending the Constitution, it could be mighty uncomfortable when we have to defend ourselves from the left when they point out the clear prohibition of the religious test for office. Do you want the left wresting away ownership of this principle over this issue?
Islam is as much a political and cultural system, as it is a religion. To keep on defining it as solely a religion is going to open us up to a big problem someday.
Re Obama: I am satisfied that he is not a Muslim. The school he attended for a short time as a child was not a madrassa. He went to Mosque with his stepdad in Indonesia, but heck. I went church for years, and I am not a Christian.
RushBaby on September 7, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Forum moderator you’re not. Keep up the bullying and you’ll become irrelevant.
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:22 PM
That’s what I saw.
RushBaby on September 7, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Please show me where I made an accusation, while you’re bloviating and waxing self important.
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:23 PM
I want to know how many people who think Obama admitted he is muslim are Christian fundamentalists?
I have long believed that religious fundamentalists have low reading interpretation skills (and low aural skills).
thuja on September 7, 2008 at 4:24 PM
Yep, we’ve seen the paper. Oh, but wait: How old was he? And was it evident that someone that young filled out that paper?
The guy is calling for socialized medicine, 30% capitol gains tax, and appeasement of Iran…and we’re busying ourselves with whether he’s a Muslim? Really? After already finding out he was part of a BVS church?
Good GOD. No wonder Palin is such a breath of fresh air.
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:24 PM
Ya think Team Obama really believes McCain’s threshold for middle class is $5 mil?
But it didn’t stop them from million dollar ad buys and incorping into ODummy’s stump speeches.
It’s not whether he admitted he’s a Muslim (which he did not), it’s capitalizing on a slip.
Go, freepers, go!
kevinkristy on September 7, 2008 at 4:25 PM
I think I you may be right.
Count to 10 on September 7, 2008 at 4:25 PM
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Really.
I wish they would ask BHO to stop making all these idiotic gaffes that are too funny to ignore.
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Marines for Mccain on September 7, 2008 at 4:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifEg1aq6Emo
Chakra Hammer on September 7, 2008 at 4:25 PM
Madison “Conservative” (right!) actually believes that bringing up the fact that Obama just admitted his Muslim faith or the fact that Obama is a closet Muslim will ACTUALLY hurt John McCain.
That’s weird. Madison “Conservative” believes that conservatives will be more likely to vote against McCain and for Obama if they think Obama is a Muslim. That is absurd.
Actually, the more people believe that Obama is a Muslim, the more likely they will turn out to vote for McCain and Palin. Could this be why so many “conservatives” (liberals pretending to be) are so upset by this clip. . .and are demanding dhimmitude–no bringing up the subject of Islam?
Gabe on September 7, 2008 at 4:25 PM
He would be fair game politically for the lie, but not disqualified by law.
RushBaby on September 7, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Arguing with these idiot Muslim-truthers is almost as irritating as dealing with the idiots who actually support Obama.
Here’s one for you- I am an Atheist. Are you all going to start telling me that I cannot vote Republican?
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 4:27 PM
I’m curious: how do you define a “religious fundamentalist”?
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 4:27 PM
you just saw the most brilliant orator on Earth, get stepped on by midget man3 the clintonian missile.
The ONLY thing that makes me think this was not a dirty trick is that they allegedly edited it out.
Otherwise I’d be looking at Hillary laughing.
The problem is noy Barry uhm Uhbama the problem is a press so in the tank for him they are looking to clean up when he goes tinkle on the rug.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 4:28 PM
The allegation that Obama is an adherent to the faith of Islam can’t be proven, and there is prima facie evidence of its falsity. That just innoculates people to the real problem:
That’s the inconvenient truth the MSM refuses to broach, but since “He’s a Muslim!” isn’t 100% true in every detail, it’s not true at all. In contrast, the “Bristol is Trig’s mother!” thing is actually 100% false, “but she’s gonna be someone else’s mother!”, so that’s what rethugs get for trying to cover up the troof.
The Monster on September 7, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Interesting point. A good comparison would be to ask if the lefties would be less likely to vote for Obama based on the smears of Palin. Not likely.
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Exactly. And I would add that anyone who needs to see the best that islam can get along with individual self-rule is in Turkey, where the military is constitutionally charged with taking over the government if islamic groups infiltrate too deeply. Ataturk understood islam better than any Westerners and Westerners would do well to look to Turkey to see the frontier of islam and Western governance. It’s easy to forget the major difference between countries ultimately run by the civilians or the military. Westerners need to wake up.
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Nice hyperbole, but try again. I was at a county fair not a week ago, and at the Republican tent they had a chart up of “Obama Myths and Truths”. Right there they debunked the Muslim rumor, which shows that it carries importance, and you don’t have to be a Washington Times contributor to understand the ramifications of pushing this stupid crap.
You’re intellectually dishonest, pal:
“I’m just sayin’” is a phrase used by those who want deniability for their implications. You have none, because people here aren’t blind.
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Yup. We have to defend his right to run no matter what his religious affiliation. We don’t have to vote for him.
JonPrichard on September 7, 2008 at 4:30 PM
You’re dangerously close to invoking Godwin’s Law. Please calm down. We’re all on the same side, and you’re literally trying to flame bait here.
I repeat: Most people here aren’t accusing Obama of being muslim. My personal opinion is that it’s a thin argument. But his gaffe is amusing and will likely influence many people.
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:30 PM
What religion is this guy then? Because he doesn’t seem like a legit Christian except for political and activist reasons.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/society/damianlanigan/feb08/obamas-drive.htm
econavenger on September 7, 2008 at 4:30 PM
No argument from me, I agrued that wrt to Mitt.
But it came out he was (I don’t think he is, I think he is areligious actually) we wouldn’t have to “defend him” as you said. He’d be a liar and worthy of criticism.
Spirit of 1776 on September 7, 2008 at 4:30 PM
We can already prove that he’s a liar.
- Flip on troop surge
- Lies about hearing Wright speeches (quotes him in his book)
- constant “revision” of “What {he’s} always said…”
You cannot prove that he is a Muslim. Even if you could, what is the point?
Focus on facts instead of pointless speculation.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 4:30 PM
<blockquote“conservatives” (liberals pretending to be)
Gabe on September 7, 2008 at 4:25 PM
I’ve made my views clear many times before. Who the hell are you?
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Yep. I agree with that whole post. It’s a funny duh moment by Obama, but it means nothing in the long term. The rest of that interview though, might hurt him a bit.
Spirit of 1776 on September 7, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Nobody cares about your anecdotes. Just quit acting like forum moderator. You’re not as important as you think you are.
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:32 PM
I guess I’m just sayin’ now.
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:33 PM
For all we know, THIS “slip” – or whatever one will call it – as well as all the lies/smears floating out there since the Palin announcement are…please forgive that I use the term in a sincere form…an intentional distraction tact, so Republicans, MSM and all focus on/talk about these silly, inconsequential things AS OPPOSED TO his connections with Ayers, among others.
Lockstein13 on September 7, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Apparently you do.
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:33 PM
No, but as a Catholic I can tell you that you have to be pretty much a total idiot to be an atheist. The natural world proves that God exists, and this truth can be reached through human reason. However, there will always be complete dunces that can’t grasp this fact.
Atheists are never TRUE conservatives because they have no absolute values; they can change their opinions with the wind. All truth is a “construct” for them.
Atheists are always elitists; they are SO above the “common” people–these are the type of “conservatives” that were close to destroying the Republican Party–and the ones that thought Sarah Palin was a bad pick. They have the “secret knowledge” that God doesn’t exist. They are also constantly gloomy and pessimistic.
Gabe on September 7, 2008 at 4:35 PM
Yawn. Do you have anything else to say, now that you’ve angrily made your point?
fossten on September 7, 2008 at 4:35 PM
All Abrahamic religions are autoritarian by default, just read the Bible.
The question is not whether the rule of law is sanctioned by devine intervention instead of trial-and-error society governship by mortals, but what is in particular the rule of law it dictates. Sharia is a threat not because it’s based on a “religion”, but because it’s a really wicked set of laws.
Aristotle on September 7, 2008 at 4:35 PM
fossten
Hmmm. Let me try to understand your argument…
Each of your posts in this thread is an attack on someone on the basis of them attacking someone, right?
If responses were the least bit credible, I would say: two wrongs don’t make a right.
Since your responses are not credible, shut the hell up.
Damiano on September 7, 2008 at 4:37 PM
The “fact” that “Obama just admitted his Muslim faith”?
Get a grip on reality.
semloh on September 7, 2008 at 4:37 PM
I don’t think he’s a Muslim – this is an obvious slip of the tongue. At the same time, I think it shows a guy who’s starting to crack under the pressure of a campaign that is suddenly facing some adversity.
thirteen28 on September 7, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Off topic. It looks like you are having trouble with the quote function, MfM. Try hitting the quote button twice before pasting the quote between the …><…
the ‘/’ indicates turning the quotation off, so make sure that is at the end, while the ‘blockquote’ without the / is in front of you quote.
Count to 10 on September 7, 2008 at 4:38 PM
The problem here for Obama is NOT his religion, whatever that may be.
What is a problem is, why is he denying what apparently is obvious in fact? Why does Obama seem to have so much to lie about and so much to hide?
And, finally, what is the implication when a candidate for public office cannot be believed? When he can’t be trusted for the relationships he (Obama) has with so many characters that seem to have come out of the sewer — Jeremiah Wright, Tony Resko, Rashid Khalidi, Kwame Kirkpatrick, William Ayers, Frank Marshall Davis, etc. — communist, socialist, radicals, extremists, anti-Americans; all heathens.
Down with Obama. Long live America! Elect McCain/Palin.
AdrianS on September 7, 2008 at 4:39 PM
I must take exception, here, Aristotle. Judaism and Christianity are Abrahamic religions that are intimately related to each other. Islam is not. The only “Abrahamic” parts of islam consist of the parts of the Torah and New Testament that Mohammed stole and rewrote to create his ideology. He wormed his way into the biblical line to give instant status to his ideology, but there was no relation of any kind between Mohammed and either Judaism or Christianity.
There are only 2 Abrahamic religions. Islam is merely a formalization of desert arab culture. Everything that Mohammed stole from Judaism and Christianity he changed, and claimed that the Jews and Chrisitians were all liars about it. It was really quite something.
progressoverpeace on September 7, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Another thing I noticed in this clip-
“These guys love to throw a rock and hide their hands.”
CLASSIC projection.
cs89 on September 7, 2008 at 4:40 PM
True but Islam is more than just a religion, its a political ideology that is not compatible with the US Constitution.
Elric66 on September 7, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Do you have anything other than to tell me about my importance and what everyone thinks after lamenting that the “fun police” are here?
You implied it, bucko. You are well aware of it, and you have the gall to now act as if you aren’t trying to further this worthless bit of debunked smear. I repeat: We have his political stances which are Marxist, we have Ayers, Rezko, and Wright. We have all of the arguments he’s made which line up with Bush and McCain. And just for people like you, the ones who don’t care about any of that stuff, we have 57 states, 10,000 dead, and a belief that we have a higher IQ than you just for backup.
But hey, the Muslim thing just has more meat. After all, they went after Palin with dirty tactics, so we have to do no less. The facts and truth won’t vindicate us, only the speculations of fringe bloggers, right?
MadisonConservative on September 7, 2008 at 4:40 PM
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