Rasmussen: Dead heat
posted at 9:46 am on September 7, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Rasmussen’s daily tracking poll shows John McCain and Barack Obama in a dead heat, with or without leaners, within 72 hours of the close of the convention. Obama’s convention bounce has completely disappeared, and McCain’s bounce may not yet have peaked:
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday, September 7, shows the race for the White House is tied.
In the first national polling results based entirely on interviews conducted after Sarah Palin’s acceptance speech, Barack Obama gets 46% of the vote and so does John McCain. When “leaners” are included, it’s all even at 48%.
This past Tuesday, Obama’s bounce peaked with the Democrat enjoying a six-percentage point advantage. Before the two conventions were held, Obama had consistently held a one or two point lead over McCain for most of August.
McCain continues to draw better among Republicans than Obama does among Democrats, and he’s taking more Democrats away, too. He gets support from 89% of Republicans versus 81% of Democrats supporting Obama, and draws 15% of Democrats. Obama’s edge among women decreased slightly from 7 points to 6, while McCain’s edge with men increased to 7 points from 3.
Obama’s bounce peaked on the Tuesday following the convention, when he rolled out to a six-point lead after two days of relative inactivity from the GOP during Hurricane Gustav. McCain and Palin have not let the grass grow beneath their feet this weekend, and I’d predict that his bounce has not finished its trajectory yet. By Tuesday or Wednesday, we should see the results of the convention in full.
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PALINMANIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SDarchitect on September 7, 2008 at 9:49 AM
The Democrats demand a recount!
TooTall on September 7, 2008 at 9:50 AM
YEAH!!! BABYYYYYY!! NOBAMA KNOWS HE HAS RUN OUT OF GAS. Let Palin be who she is out on the stump and this thing will turn into an Alaskan blizzard!!
build the wall on September 7, 2008 at 9:52 AM
Sweet! After John McCain’s great speech, I’m glad to see him get some reward. I am excited about Palin, but I like to think that maybe his speech won some folks over, I think it was exceptional especially the last quarter of it.
gator70 on September 7, 2008 at 9:52 AM
that’s 2….1 more and I’ll believe.
sven10077 on September 7, 2008 at 9:52 AM
OH by the way… THE ARTIC FOX ROCKS!!! BE AFRAID DEMOCRATS….BE VERY AFRAID…..
build the wall on September 7, 2008 at 9:54 AM
Again, I suspect if McCain starts getting a little ahead in the polls, there might be some serious momentum, as people formerly shy about supporting McCain “come out of the closet” once it is seen to be a majority view.
Sekhmet on September 7, 2008 at 9:56 AM
Somewhere a Democrat is saying, “Yeah, but pollsters don’t call dead people.”
Ronnie on September 7, 2008 at 9:57 AM
McCain’s next words on immigration will either cement or soften the enthusiasm generated by adding Gov. Palin to the ticket.
Zorro on September 7, 2008 at 9:58 AM
The Arctic Fox has changed history, my friends. Remember what Rush said: if Obama is not ahead of McCain by 10 or more percentage points in October, he is TOAST.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 9:59 AM
Pray for the VP debates. Palin needs to bone up on foreign policy.
marklmail on September 7, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Ah, but the less close the actual number is, the less efficacious voter fraud becomes.
Sekhmet on September 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Check out Inside Edition for a stirring tale of how the Arctic Fox - then just a pup – clinched the state basketball championship for the Wasilla Warriors.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Zogby has McCain/Palin up by 4%…
This will be a tough battle, no doubt about that. The Liberal media is a powerful asset to the Obama campaign, and should not be counted out yet. Hopefully, the MSM will continue to turn the stomachs of average Americans & die the slow and painful death they so richly deserve. The current situation going on with the “US magazine hit piece” is very encouraging. It would seem that most Americans are sick and tired of being lied to; sick and tired of Liberal rags shaping the news in an all out effort to have power over our thoughts and decisions.
McCain/Palin will need our help if they are to overcome such powerful weapons. Donate 5 dollars if nothing else; volunteer to work with grassroots efforts; man the phones. I admit, I’m late to the ticket. The choice of Sarah Palin did it for me.
Keemo on September 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM
With two months still to go, polls continue to mean very little.
That being said, the effect this latest poll will have on the Obamabots and the McCain/Palin haters will have deliciously entertaining results.
My kitty says:
Et tu Brute on September 7, 2008 at 10:03 AM
I suspect that she is getting a crash course as we speak, part of which is memorizing every boneheaded gaffe Plugs has made over the past 30 years. That’s a LOT to commit to memory.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Rasmussen also has a state by state breakdown There Obama still leads. But is momentem.
William Amos on September 7, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Don’t forget the alternate media, Keemo. We have talk radio on our side as well as Fox News and the Internet. It made a difference in the last two elections and it will make an even bigger difference in this one.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 10:06 AM
Keemo on September 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Truly, this can be done.
Tommygun on September 7, 2008 at 10:06 AM
Whats the real deal on their claim that young people cant be polled on account of they dont have land lines, and just use cell phones? My BIL does that. That worries me, I must say.
hippie_chucker on September 7, 2008 at 10:08 AM
I am consumed by curiosity about the coming GOP strategy. Will it be a blitz of Ayers/Wright/Pfleger/Infanticide/Chicago Crook County ads? Or will it be a gentle and urgent reminder that Obama is just a recycled 1960s Marxist liberal? Or will they ignore The Truth and The Light and just talk about Palin and her son GI Joe?
Jaibones on September 7, 2008 at 10:08 AM
This ah ah um might change after ah Barry’s great performance on um ah ah ABC’s “This Week.”
John Doe on September 7, 2008 at 10:09 AM
I believe the Dem is usually ahead in early September, so it looks good for Maverick/Barracuda.
jgapinoy on September 7, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Don’t forget the other segments of BO on O’R that will air this week.
jgapinoy on September 7, 2008 at 10:11 AM
If this were a basketball game, McCalin-Palin have pulled even, and they are creating grave problems with a full-court press. Obama-Biden needs a timeout.
BuckeyeSam on September 7, 2008 at 10:12 AM
Hey, ‘Ole Barry just made news…he just patted himself on the back for signing up for Selective Service. What a hero!! (in his own mind).
John Doe on September 7, 2008 at 10:12 AM
The yoots from what I’ve been hearing aren’t voting in the numbers counted on by the Obama campaign. 18-24-year-olds are also too darn busy trying to learn their way as freshly-minted adults to be all that motivated to come out and vote.
Sekhmet on September 7, 2008 at 10:12 AM
When will McCain attack BO’s 27 waffles?
jgapinoy on September 7, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Screw it, I’m moving to Tennessee. McCain’s leading 56% to 32% in the Rasmussen latest…seems like the biggest margin in a quick run through.
hippie_chucker on September 7, 2008 at 10:13 AM
The national head-to-head tracking polls are just fluff, I hate to say it.
Its not too early to start focusing on the Electoral College and the head-to-heads in critical battleground states.
Ohio, PA, Va, Fla, Colorado, the upper midwest, etc etc.
Always Right on September 7, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Eh, McCain could win by 12 percentage points, and the DUmmies and Kossacks will still say the “Rethugnicans” stole the election.
flipflop on September 7, 2008 at 10:15 AM
With the national polls closing…it won’t be long before the battleground state polls change too.
John Doe on September 7, 2008 at 10:17 AM
In that rasmussen state by state McCain is ahead in Ohio and Colorado and Florida
He is trailing in PA, MI and VA. But all are within 3% to 5%.
William Amos on September 7, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Obama is suing Rasmussen…he wants a lawyer at every polling place (except Chicago)…McCain and Palin, Selected not Elected—Selected by the People!!!
right2bright on September 7, 2008 at 10:18 AM
When voters get behind the curtain or between the panels, the thinking will begin:
-do you want a Hussein running your military?
-do you want a racist, marxist selecting federal judges?
-do you want an abortion lover picking supreme court nominees?
-do you want $7.00 a gallon gasoline?
PC ends where the voting booth begins.
saved on September 7, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Always Right,
McCain: 295-312 EV’s
Obama: 226-243 EV’s
Nahanni on September 7, 2008 at 10:22 AM
I going to go out on a limb and concede that um Barry um will win the the um Election Exit Poll and bring even more rage to Kos kiddes.
John Doe on September 7, 2008 at 10:22 AM
The thing is , BO needed a decent lead going into the debates.
His stammering and leftist policies are not going to play well.
Alot of sports teams fall apart when they get behind- this will be interesting to see how this empty suit reacts.
jjshaka on September 7, 2008 at 10:23 AM
She already laid into Biden over opposing the original Alaskan Pipe Line. That was in a recent interview before she was selected as VP nominee.
JimK on September 7, 2008 at 10:24 AM
I saw that interview. She handled herself beautifully. Ispect the Arctic Fox is going to take Plugs apart in the debate.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Be sure to read Nick Cohen in the HEADLINES of Hot Air. Great insight.
tgillian on September 7, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Dare I hope?
Yakko77 on September 7, 2008 at 10:31 AM
I was looking at Power Line this morning and there was Paul complaining about Palin’s experience. There was also mention of Charles Krauthammer not liking her pick.
These guys don’t much like Condi Rice either. I am beginning to wonder if this pick had been Jindal instead of Palin if we would hear some of these men on the right worrying about experience. I also read some stuff about Frum not being happy, but then Frum was the man who said that Harriet Miers could make all the right decisions on the Supreme Court and still not be good enough.
I expected the bellyaching from the left about Palin, but I would think that by now some of these good ol boy vetching on the right would have figured that Palin’s greatest strength is her freshness, he lack of ties to Washington.
I worried about how the lack of experience charge would hurt her, I also worried that the Democrats would make a mountain out of a molehill when it came to the firing of the trooper…but it seems to me that a lot of people are willing to look beyond all that.
Terrye on September 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM
I’m sure the Flag fiasco will do wonders for “The Messiah” in Colorado, and everywhere else.
Tazz 55 on September 7, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Man! I was a sh14 to McCain during the primaries. I am pissed about McCain/Feingold and McCamenesty. But OB is too far from adequate. I might sit it out it I thought my beloved country was in good hands. But NO! No America hating Socialist Neophyte will take my liberty. I sat by willing to consider one as good as the other. Then, Someone from my world took the stage. McCain chose her. MCCAIN! JOHN MCCAIN CHOSE HER! That is making an art of politics. None of the other candidates would have chosen Gov. Sarah Palin for their running mate. So. As it turns out. I was wrong. I apologize to Senator John McCain. Thank you for your service. Thank you for saving the Right Wing movement. Thank you for introducing the world to the primal force of Sarah Palin. She is the future of the GOP ,so bright, when I thought there was none. John McCain is a great man. I should hope to be half the man he is.
ronsfi on September 7, 2008 at 10:37 AM
Sorry to be a wet blanket folks, but Bill Clinton was right when he said “it’s the economy, stupid!” With the US economy (and others) tanking, this election will be fought on two issues:- abortion and the economy. The abortion issue will be the decider, I feel.
OldEnglish on September 7, 2008 at 10:38 AM
I think most of the polls are skewed and do not show an honest assessment so as to create the appearance of a close race. When was the last time anyone was shown with a 15 or 20 point lead? Excluding those candidates with nobody running against them.
Sporty1946 on September 7, 2008 at 10:40 AM
Sporty1946 on September 7, 2008 at 10:43 AM
I woke up this morning to a repeat of the Beltway Boys. I have to tell you that Mort really surprised me at the end of the show by referring to Gov. Palin as a “right wing wacko”. And the look on his face spoke volumes. It was like she had licked all the red off of his lollipop. Oddly personal and very creepy.
Cindy Munford on September 7, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Been going over all sorts of polls this morning, most are at least four days old up to a week or more old. Michigan shouldn’t even be in play for the Dems…Obama should be out front and strongly trending out front. Looks static and a bit of a back drift on the Obama side.
Wonder what is going on in Michigan?
Kwame Kilpatrick and the politics of corruption sort of puts Obama and Kilpatrick in the same bucket. That Obama endorsement/vote of confidence with Kwame…pure gold.
Good old whatzername…the governor…has done z-i-p for Michigan…except drive businesses away, drive jobs away. That resonates among the voters. Obama promises more of the same once you get past the glitter. That tax on businesses…the people of Michigan (those who have jobs or own businesses are going to embrace that concept…right?)
I’ll give Michiganders a lot of credit…they can see this stuff. The Ted Nugent/Cabella’s crowd loves Palin…loves her. From Jackson Conty in the south up to the top of the UP…lots of hunters, gun and bible clingers…not a lot of arugula eaters. [Traverse City has pretty much gone arugula.] Now, how to get these folks to make sure they are registered, and are going to be there on 4 November, ready to vote.
And Biden…his appeal to the average working class Joe…from Scranton, no less…not a lot of us working class Joe’s can afford hair plugs. He’s bugus as a 3-dollar bill. Worth a lot less, too. Not a lot of Biden appeal out in Michigan.
Real Clear politics has all the major polling, national and state by state…look at the numbers over periods of time.
We could just pull this thing off as a more than 51-49 vote.
coldwarrior on September 7, 2008 at 10:44 AM
“The abortion issue will be the decider, I feel.”
That is so far down the list of what Americans list as a decider, it barely registers.
Not to mention, the majority of Americans are at least moderately pro-life. So what little influence the issue has, should benefit Republicans.
And if anyone thinks that a couple of far-left lawyers are going to help our economy, then Obama-Biden is their ticket.
But most people who manage to vote on election day are brighter than that.
NoDonkey on September 7, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Remember:
“McCain and Obama dead even” in reality equals “McCain up by 5%”
The purpose of these polls is to manipulate the public, nothing else.
stefanite on September 7, 2008 at 10:49 AM
Welcome to the club. All is forgiven.
Go, bring the other McCain-haters out of the dark side!
Save the USA from BO!
jgapinoy on September 7, 2008 at 10:50 AM
McCain HAS GOT TO start hammering the economy.
BO’s taxes (employment, investment, fuel) are going to hugely impact every single American family.
BO has NO reasonable or realistic energy policy. That will cost every American family.
contrast: Sarah’s farsighted act of negotiating for the natural gas pipeline will reap rewards for the American family within a few years.
AD: KEEP SHOWING BO’S LINE IN AN INTERVIEW THAT IT’S NOT A PROBLEM THAT GAS PRICES HAVE GONE UP, IN FACT THEY SHOULD GO HIGHER, BUT THEY JUST WENT UP TOO FAST !!!
The economy is going to be the deal-breaking issue.
GO SARAH !!!
stenwin77 on September 7, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Not arguing the fiscal growth, but there are too many jobs disappearing. It will encourage many to follow the money trail.
I sincerely hope that you are correct, but the privacy of the polling booth works both ways, and a “just in case” vote is often the easy way out.
OldEnglish on September 7, 2008 at 10:58 AM
If McCain can just hammer this one point-business creates jobs-not taxes on business!
hippie_chucker on September 7, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Ooooooooooooooooooh Barracuda!
freebird on September 7, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Males are usually more impressed by those males who attract the best women. Works for me.
Connie on September 7, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Ooooooooooooooooooh Barracuda! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxLuT1ZvOj0&feature=related
Tazz 55 on September 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM
I just moved from Michigan to Texas a few months back. Michigan will end up voting Democratic, like it has in the past. The Detroit mayor finally ended up pleading guilty and leaving office, so it shouldn’t have an impact on the election in two months.
The real swing states this time are Iowa, Colorado and New Mexico. The Dems will win all of them this time, and will win the election. The Dems will lose Ohio, Indiana and (probably) Virginia and the other states they lost in 04.
jim m on September 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Is it even possible to not have a dead heat anymore?
Ortzinator on September 7, 2008 at 11:21 AM
jim m on September 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Jim, don’t be to sure about Michigan going Dihm.
Last Friday you couldn’t get close to Freedom Hill because of the overflow crowd to see the Fighter Pilot and the Moose Hunter.
As far as Detroit goes, the FBI hasn’t finished their work with Hizzoner and City Council just yet, stay tuned.
That’s when the solid waste will hit the circulation system.
freebird on September 7, 2008 at 11:29 AM
I’m thrilled by the poll numbers, but it’s time for some Allah pessimism.
We are going to hear a lot about Palin’s Alaska record in the next several weeks, and not all of it is beautiful. Yes, the MSM has almost totally failed to scrutinize BO in this manner. That said, Palin’s records as mayor, appointed official, and governor are legitimate areas of inquiry. Expect some luster to come off the narrative.
The Messiah could not remain the Messiah forever, and neither can Palin (or anyone else) sustain indefinitely the white hot glow she now has. I don’t think it will cool off altogether, but it can’t stay this incandescent.
So, let’s keep our heads about us. This fight has several more rounds to go. We’re going to land some blows, and also take some.
JudetheFossil on September 7, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Normally I like Mort, but with Palin he has gone off the deep end. I get the feeling he is a lot like the other elitists at the MSM where they feel they should have vetted her first, before allowing McCain to select her. His version of elitism is the reason many conservatives (me included) were ready to leave the party. He needs to get over it. The grassroots are driving now.
dominigan on September 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Yeeeeeeeeeesch!!!
Maverick, you magnificent bastard !!!
RocketmanBob on September 7, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Like I said, this is going to be a landslide. Factor in the Bradley effect and you may even have libby lands like California going red this year.
Git yer Barracuda stuff here: http://cafepress.com/barracudashirt
John the Libertarian on September 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
freebird on September 7, 2008 at 11:29 AM –
Kwame is out, right? But he will apparently live in the Mayor’s Mansion with his family until the actual sentence begins? Nope, they’re are not done with Kwame yet…
Got a few other things going on in Michigan.
GM has announced record profits in all its major overseas production programs…Korea, Brazil, China…fuel efficient, multi-fuel and hybrid, nicely designed and looking cars…yet Stateside…GM is bleeding, bad.
So are a lot of other Michigan businesses.
What’s now holding them up?
All that Dem talk about increasing taxes on nasty old big business, no end in sight to Michigan’s Democrat-installed enviro laws and regulations, Michigan is not a business friendly state anymore.
Energy? Drill here, drill now resounds from the UP and all across the rest of Michigan.
Governor Granholm’s wonderful idea last year…welcoming illegal aliens and urging them to come to Michigan.
They are still here. Were supposed to help out the farmers. Now taking jobs away from everyone, in all sorts of trades and services. They are non-union, will work below scale, won’t ask for health insurance or a 401k plan and stuff…huge increase in illegals in Michigan over the past year.
And thst Primary thing…still resounds across the state. “Hillary shudda had it!” Have heard that a lot in the past couple weeks.
Michigan is in no way a lock for the Dems.
Besides, the Rube Belt, all of Michigan except Detroit-Flint-Lansing-Ann Arbor and Traverse City….they love Palin. She is one of them. They know it. Palin knows it. McCain knows it.
The Dems can’t figure it out.
coldwarrior on September 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM
I am more concerned about the electoral college votes.
Popular vote is nice and all, but remember Algore?
I get a sick feeling every time I think about the possible outcome of winning by popular vote, but losing because of the ECV. Ugh. Somebody help me here.
tru2tx on September 7, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Refer to the 2004 electoral map and consider that all of the red states will go to McCain/Palin. The purple states are in play and among these are Ohio and Pennsyvania. Odds are that one of these will swing to McCain.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Why isn’t the Obama INFANTICIDE issue being pounded?
Sarah will be asked about abortion rights. She NEEDS to defer to states’ rights. She definately bring up the infanticide stand of BO. Most pro-babykilling agree that late term aborts are not acceptable.
stenwin77 on September 7, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Also, think of Reagan v Mondale in 1984. This election just might be a blowout of that proportion for McCain and Palin. I agree with John the Libertarian on this point.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:12 PM
I predict it will be Friday before we know … By then things will have stabilized and positions will begin to be locked in, until the debates.
What no one seems to be talking about is the tremendous help Palin has given the McCain ticket by locking down the former red states. The campaign can now focus on the remaining purple states, concentrate their effort. Huge savings in money, time and effort.
tarpon on September 7, 2008 at 12:17 PM
John McCain stated that the main themes of his campaign will be cutting taxes, job growth, defeating Islamic terrorism, ending pork and energy independence. Hammering on these points and not getting lost in other issues is the key to winning. A clearly understood platform keeps the voters focused. The Contract With America swept Republicans to victory in 1994. John Kerry lost to George Bush because he was all over the map while Bush had one point — keeping us safe.
scrubjay on September 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Thanks for the input! However….
I went on Real Clear Politics to their current map – and that made me feel worse.
Guess I need to just keep the eye on the prize and take the polls and speculations as just what they are: polls and speculations.
Surely the O/B ticket will choke (some more) in the next 60 days.
tru2tx on September 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM
It’s Palin-palooza baby. If it’s even now, it will be a blowout in November for McCain’s Navy.
The trends are clear. McCain/Palin is picking up new votes while The big O is losing votes and momentum. This is not just wishful thinking it’s trackable from the pollsters most of whom are in the tank for the Dhimmicrats.
Mojave Mark on September 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Hang in there, Tru, and don’t go wobbly. I suggest that you buckle up, however, ’cause this is gonna be a bumpy ride.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:25 PM
coldwarrior on September 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Cold,
I didn’t say it was a lock, it isn’t. I said don’t be to sure about Michigan going Dihm. Neither is a done deal.
For all that has gone wrong in Michigan, Obama should be much farther ahead, but he isn’t.
freebird on September 7, 2008 at 12:28 PM
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Good advice… thanks again!
tru2tx on September 7, 2008 at 12:28 PM
I read somewhere that Rasmussen is an envangelical nut who skews his polls towards Republicans.
*SNORT*
SouthernGent on September 7, 2008 at 12:45 PM
GALLUP:
McCain 48, Obama 45!!!!!!!!!!
gopftw on September 7, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Gallup Tracking now has McCain up by 3%
DarkCurrent on September 7, 2008 at 1:09 PM
At the rate that Bambi and Plugs are gaffing away, expect it to climb a point every week.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 1:15 PM
gallup: http://www.gallup.com/poll/110050/Gallup-Daily-McCain-Moves-Ahead-48-45.aspx
scrubjay on September 7, 2008 at 1:22 PM
I thought Gallup only polled Democrats?
mad saint jack on September 7, 2008 at 2:04 PM
There is blood in the water… Barracudas like blood in the water!!
build the wall on September 7, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Coat-Tails, Baby!
gridlock2 on September 7, 2008 at 5:15 PM
“the Rube Belt, all of Michigan except Detroit-Flint-Lansing-Ann Arbor and Traverse City….they love Palin”
Coldwarrior, I wouldn’t call most of Michigan rubes. But I’d add Kalamazoo to the cities you’re excluding.
jim m on September 7, 2008 at 7:33 PM
“the Rube Belt, all of Michigan except Detroit-Flint-Lansing-Ann Arbor and Traverse City….they love Palin”
Coldwarrior, I wouldn’t call most of Michigan rubes. But I’d add Kalamazoo to the cities you’re excluding.
Add Grand Rapids (2nd largest city in Michigan) and Holland to the list.
freebird on September 7, 2008 at 10:04 PM
No, frebird, GR and Holland are conservative, so I’d add them to the towns that like Palin. Kalamazoo isn’t and neither is Battle Creek (but Portage, Kalamazoo’s neighbor right to the south, is conservative).
jim m on September 7, 2008 at 10:34 PM