The Recycled Flags of the DNCC; Update: Pathetic spin by Team O
posted at 12:00 pm on September 6, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Democrats brought out tens of thousands of American flags to Invesco Field, saluting Barack Obama as he spoke from the Styrofoam columns of the Barackopolis at the conclusion of the Democratic convention. Perhaps some of them took the flags home as souvenirs, but where did the rest go? According to David Harsanyi, they went into the trash — and would have gone to a landfill, except for a worker at Invesco who rescued them from the dumpsters:
This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage. Guerrilla campaigning. They will use these flags at their own event today in Colorado Springs with John McCain and Sarah Palin.
Before McCain speaks today, veterans will haul these garbage bags filled with flags out onto the stage — with dramatic effect, no doubt — and tell the story.
Didn’t anyone make arrangements for better disposal of these flags from Invesco? At the very least, they were an investment that could have been re-used at rallies in Colorado as well as the rest of the nation during the general election. Instead, they’ve handed a dramatic moment to John McCain and Sarah Palin, as well as relieved them of the cost of 12,000 such flags — as well as a full 3′x5′ flag that also wound up in the trash.
Remember when the DNCC was supposed to be the “greenest convention ever”? How they worried about the color of the food and using organic materials in their merchandise? I guess we can see where the “green” concern ends … at red, white, and blue.
Still … I hope the RNCC did a better job rescuing discarded flags at the Xcel Center.
Update: If you want to know how to properly dispose of flags, you can check the US Flag Code. If you’re still confused, contact your local American Legion or VFW, and they will help you dispose of them. (h/t: Indythinker in comments)
Update II: I’m getting e-mails saying that we need to “stop the lies” because Team Obama put this out as a statement:
Stories circulating about flags from the Democratic National Convention are false. More than 125,000 American-made flags were distributed at the Convention – any flags removed from the Convention after the event were taken without authorization. It’s disappointing that someone would take American flags without authorization and then falsely describe their intended purpose. We have the utmost respect for the American flag and it’s sad to see them being used for a cheap political stunt.
They claim that the flags were “bundled” for return to their manufacturer. If so, it’s the first time I’ve ever heard of anyone bundling returned merchandise in Hefty bags and storing them “in and around dumpsters” while awaiting the RMA. Here’s the picture that ran in the Denver Post:

I sincerely doubt that these flags got sold to Team Obama in Hefty bags. And let’s try to parse this story down with some common sense:
- Why would a manufacturer provide a refund on open product? They certainly couldn’t resell them, especially not after being left like this at Invesco.
- 12,000 flags must have cost at least $2,000 or so, and probably more. Once Democrats discovered the “theft”, why didn’t they report it to the police? It’s been more than a week apparently since they were “stolen”, and Team Obama just discovered it?
- Leaving material in and around dumpsters, especially in Hefty bags, makes it look like trash. That’s hardly a way to store American flags, and it’s certainly not a way to keep janitors and waste management people from taking them to landfills.
Instead of just saying that their people made a really stupid error and apologizing, though, Team Obama decided to tell a ridiculous lie to get themselves off the hook.
Update III: David Harsanyi now has several updates to his first report, including this:
I just spoke with the person at Invesco who found the flags and he thinks both sides are exaggerating a bit. The person claims the majority of the bags with flags in them were near the trash, on a dock, and would have been thrown away. The person thinks it was probably an “oversight” by the Democrats rather than any nefarious plot against the flag. But the person doesn’t believe anyone was coming to get them: “The flags were there for a week and a day and no one came looking for them.”
No one suggested here that it was a “nefarious plot”, and like Harsanyi, I hardly think that Obama would have directed his staff to throw 12,000 American flags in a dumpster. In fact, until Team Obama issued this ludicrous statement, the story didn’t have anything to do with them. However, the obvious carelessness with which the DNCC treated the flags is a rather revealing moment for them, and the lie for people in Obama’s organization.
Update IV: Gateway Pundit has pictures of individual flags sitting in trash bags, but that’s not the DNCC’s fault; it’s the fault of the individuals who threw out their flags. The DNCC couldn’t possibly be expected to sort through all of the thousands of bags of normal trash. They can be expected to know better than to toss 12,000 American flags in with it.
Jazz Shaw’s following the story at TMV.
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For the last several months, I have handed out lapel sized American flag pins in the Eagle Rock area of LA and Pasadena. If the reception is less than thrilled, I request it back. No refusals. Acceptance is 90% est. “It works best if worn every day.” Kinda trite but makes my day.
If Bambi & followers don’t want the DNC flags, good. Removes their false flag cover.
Caststeel on September 6, 2008 at 11:06 PM
For the good of the country we really need this election not to spilt so close to 50/50.
I think all this intensity started when Perot threw the race to Clinton in 1992. Republicans never accepted him as the President because Perot ran on a grudge against Bush. That led to impeachment… (justified, but Clinton was watched closer than most before him)
Then when Al Gore decided to challenge the Florida results… Nothing but hate and vengence ever since.
I think the only way to fix it would be a semi-landside one way or another.
Now I know which way I want that to happen. And if it has to be close I want it to be McCain. But if it is a close race as predicted now. The hostility isn’t going away.
On the bright side. The Democrats are making total fools of themselves and hopefully they will suffer the back lash from the women of the country who will want to make a statement about sexism with a vote for Sarah Palin. Even if they don’t totally agree with her.
petunia on September 6, 2008 at 11:09 PM
And that surprizes you because…. they are so fair and balanced in their reporting? All they needed was a denial of some type and they would say the lines the DNC gave them.
petunia on September 6, 2008 at 11:12 PM
The utmost respect…?
Yah, right! If Zero had the utmost respect, he’d have his hand on his heart during the national anthem, and wouldn’t be so scared to wear a flag lapel pin.
What a dufus!
ErinF on September 6, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Like I say to my little boys every day, “You are living every day as a part of our history in this election season, watch and listen this is your future”.
You lived it today…your new flag is something you can hand off to your kids.
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on September 6, 2008 at 11:13 PM
And when will Team Obama be providing us with the name of the manufacturer of the flags? I’m sure a lot of us would like to know the identity of the manufacturer, since they’ve been so extraordinarily generous with their merchandise. Imagine a manufacturer who’s willing to provide thousands of new flags to a customer — and then accept all those flags back after they’ve been removed from their original packaging, used, stuffed into trash bags, and left sitting around by dumpsters for a week or so.
An interesting way for a manufacturer to do business, to say the least.
AZCoyote on September 6, 2008 at 11:14 PM
semioh, I don’t question your patriotism, because I know Copperheads don’t have any.
SDN on September 6, 2008 at 11:17 PM
I have always preferred the favours of the fairer of the sexes, but to each his own I suppose.
semloh on September 6, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Typhonsentra on September 6, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Don’t let it worry you, this is not a make or break story, it is basically about inequity. The DNC should have ignored it because their statement is more stupid than the original error. But again it is a one day wonder.
Cindy Munford on September 6, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Then I won’t question your intelligence, because I know Luddites don’t have any.
semloh on September 6, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Just to echo those comments already posted, I do not believe that Obama himself had anything to do with this. It was an error on the part of the DNC to not provide for the proper care of the flag after the convention. It did show a basic difference in the way that most liberals view the flag vs most conservatives. Then again, conservatives are not the ones that you see burning, urinating on, or crapping on the flag. To conservatives, the flag is a symbol of everything that is good about this country. To some liberals, it is a symbol of all that is wrong. They are entitled to their opinion, but that does not mean I agree with, or have to respect it.
Where the Obama campaign screwed the pooch was when they released a blatant lie about storing the flags in hefty bags in a disposal area. That kind of arrogance just shows how stupid they believe the American public truly is. It does tie in with my personal belief about the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals are cynics that dwell on the negatives and think that the common person is too stupid to think for themselves. Conservatives are optimists, and believe that people are intelligent to make their own choices and be responsible for themselves.
coyoterex on September 6, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Hey guys, we got us one of them dandy Brits. You know…of the Oscar Wilde vintage.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:02 AM
For that matter, neither does the Labor Party. Or is it Labour?
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:09 AM
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:02 AM –
And history has proven what good they’ve done for the Empire. Frankly, leeches.
coldwarrior on September 7, 2008 at 12:10 AM
– Barack Obama
Maybe Obama meant someone other than Republicans when he said “they”…
Seixon on September 7, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Much as I love the Brits, it pains me when some of them get out of line like this. Next thing you know I shall be forced to rub the bugger’s nose in two world wars.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Doesn’t matter to me. Remember we’re not just electing one person or two, we’re choosing an administration. The people that Obama associates with will be giving positions of authority and power over us in the new administration. We have to judge not just Obama’s actions, we also have to judge the actions of those around him.
PackerBronco on September 7, 2008 at 12:14 AM
I do not know the man. You however seem to be a bugger who has more than made his acquaintance.
semloh on September 7, 2008 at 12:15 AM
On the contrary, sir. I know only OF him. Then again I am an American and he is a Brit – your kind.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:20 AM
Just don’t you and all the other nativist gringo bigots turn on Juan McCain because of the position that my father’s second cousin Juan Hernandez has secured with him. At least not until after the election and Juan McCain becomes el Presidente America del Norte.
NoBordersJose on September 7, 2008 at 12:22 AM
THEIVING SCUM STOLE MY LIFE SAVINGS!
I had $12,000 in one-dollar bills stored in unmakred plastic garbage bags near trash dumpsters on a loading dock behind a major stadium. I left them there 8 days ago AND NOW THEY ARE GONE!
electric-rascal on September 7, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Uh, yeah Joe. Whatever.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Typo: unmakred should read unmarked
electric-rascal on September 7, 2008 at 12:25 AM
I had $12,000 in one-dollar bills stored in unmakred plastic garbage bags near trash dumpsters on a loading dock behind a major stadium. I left them there 8 days ago AND NOW THEY ARE GONE! – electric-rascal on September 7, 2008 at 12:24 AM
If it was actual money then I suppose I’d suspect liberals.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Nothing on the internet ever really disappears and you came out of the closet some days ago now bugger so your protestations at this point ring most hollow.
semloh on September 7, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Why is anyone surprised??? Worse happened at the ‘04 DNC convention; on the second night (if I remember correctly…) the donks pulled the ’sea of flags’ gig. Fox reporter Kirk Cameron did the ‘post-evenings wrap-up’ and during the segment showed the convention floor with so many flags on it…YOU COULDN’T EVEN SEE THE FLOOR.
So then, I guess you could say they’ve improved…at least they used the trash cans, this time…maybe.
As others have said, the true face of the dems is plain to see, if you have the courage to look.
CPT. Charles on September 7, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Absolutely! Due to the tenacious efforts of ACORN (some of Obama’s community organizer efforts at work) they are now a significant part of his elderly voter bloc (especially in the Chicago area).
electric-rascal on September 7, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Here in the States we call that “projection,” a psychological condition in which an individual ascribes to another his own proclivities. Honestly, John Bull… this tu quoque is becoming a trifle jejeune.
Are there not any serious broadsides you can fire? Let fly.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Why doesn’t someone ask the DNC to document what their “flag collection procedure/protocol” was at all of their convention venues… i.e. how did they systematically properly collect the flags that were no longer being used by the convention participants?
electric-rascal on September 7, 2008 at 12:42 AM
I like this guy…he has spunk…not always right mind you, but backs up his passion with facts at least.
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on September 7, 2008 at 12:46 AM
“…not always right mind…”
1GooDDaDDy on September 7, 2008 at 12:46 AM –
For the want of a comma…
But it is that not “right mind” thing that makes MR a really nice addition to HA. He’s good. Knows his stuff. Likes to play with the lesser life forms that come here and pretend they’s edjukated.
coldwarrior on September 7, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Just when I thought that I could have a cigar and relax for the remainder of the evening duty calls for me to intervene. I do know a “thing or two”, as they say, about psychoanalysis so I will set all of this to rest. As to your diagnosis of “projection”, well that is what the untrained might call it and to the extent that it applies it is clear that is what you yourself have been doing and are continuing to do alright. However a more proper diagnosis of your psychosis is that of a condition called “Reaction formation”. It is something that a professional psychoanalyst such as myself can quite easily recognize and it clearly reveals and defines what your true feelings are. You happen to be in fact a text book case of it. The fact that you protest so much and call yourself “Manly” is also a dead give away as if anything further were needed.
Sigmund on September 7, 2008 at 12:56 AM
I like this guy…he has spunk…not always right mind you, but backs up his passion with facts at least. – 1GooDDaDDy on September 7, 2008 at 12:46 AM
I may not always be right, but I’ve never been wrong. I am Gage, Wayne, Jones, Jackson, Hull, Perry, Decatur, Mad Jack Percival and countless others. I am America.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:56 AM
electric-rascal on September 7, 2008 at 12:42 AM –
I’d like to see the way bills and invoices, and proof that the “manufacturer’s” policies or separate contract specified that these flags, once used, could be returned to that manufacturer. Seems an incredibly bad business model for a manufacturer to follow.
If they were rented, or leased, then why weren’t they returned by OOB Monday? Don’t think a rental company would accept liability for items left out in the open on a loading dock for a week unattended. From what was handed out in Colorado Springs we are looking at at least $8k or so of merchandise. And if they were rented, why didn’t the Dem convention “unnamed” official come out and say they wewre rented?
Lastly, if the Dems insist they were “stolen” why is there no information about a warrant or complaint being filed in Denver?
Just a few questions to add to the debunking train.
coldwarrior on September 7, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Looks like we done got us one o’ them psycobabblers – you know, the kind what chokes milk bottles and beats lettuce.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:59 AM
The fact that you protest so much and call yourself “Manly” is also a dead give away as if anything further were needed.
Sigmund on September 7, 2008 at 12:56 AM
The fact that you call yourself Sigmund is ample demonsration of unfulfulled wishes and desires – the veritiable playland of the unfulfulled – if entirely self-created – psudo psychiatrist.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 1:05 AM
This is much more serious than I had thought. I am not sure if I have ever treated someone with so many personality delusions. I did have a patient once who thought that he was both Napoleon and Cleopatra, but never anything like this. You must call my secretary first thing come Monday morning. I will leave word with her to try to see if she can fit you into my busy schedule. You will need a lot of appointments so don’t be too disappointed if the process takes a while. In the mean time try to please remain calm.
Sigmund on September 7, 2008 at 1:08 AM
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? I know.
KentAllard on September 7, 2008 at 1:14 AM
Drats! I was hoping I had finally found somebody who could help me.
Loxodonta on September 7, 2008 at 1:18 AM
So they want to work in the trash to near the trash..lol
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/aug/28/mystery-solved/
a picture says a thousand words, and all thousand words are LIAR!
christene on September 7, 2008 at 1:19 AM
That’s why I like you. Period.
Oh, and please stop listening to the your mother hates you PsycoBabble, …geez I so dislike these people.
Carry on.
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on September 7, 2008 at 1:22 AM
A real professional wouldn’t be doing what you are doing.
And besides, if you were, the only people calling your secretary Monday morning would be the lawyers of your patients to have you advised of the pending malpractice lawsuits being filed against your dumb ass.
Fortunately for all those who truly need professional help, you sound like some clown sitting in his/her grandma’s basement in your Cheetoes encrusted underwear night after night dreaming of achieving a sad form of notoriety.
Good luck, you’ll need it.
TheCulturalist on September 7, 2008 at 1:46 AM
Then please start using deodorant. We have to stop BO.
Loxodonta on September 7, 2008 at 1:53 AM
I started typing my response to you just as so as I hit the “submit“ button. I can understand human responses to a certain situations without going to Psycho Collage for 4/6 years. Save your hard earned money kids.
Oops, news flash, psychology is not a science, it is a talent. Hunches and feelings doc do not make what you have learned in psycho school makes you any more knowledgeable than the average schmoo who has a good natural intuition on how to understand another human being. Sorry.
Your profession has ruined more people than helped them. Torn more families apart than united them, made more people crazier than helped them. Save it. Get a job at Wal-Mart and save a few lives will you.
Analyze that.
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on September 7, 2008 at 2:00 AM
Please don’t feed the trolls. You’re only justifying their trivial existence….
sheebe on September 7, 2008 at 2:33 AM
Even my old mom, a Japanese naturalized US citizen, knows better than the DNC that you don’t toss a tattered US flag out with the garbage!
eigafan on September 7, 2008 at 2:40 AM
Sheebe
Right On!!
N4646W on September 7, 2008 at 2:46 AM
http://radarsite.blogspot.com/2008/09/democratic-trash-story-that-just-wont.html
Roger W. Gardner on September 7, 2008 at 2:51 AM
Oh. I think I have figured this out … if they were Cuban flags w/Che’s glamorous revolutionary face upon them, a la Houston BO field office, then we would have seen a much more respectful end to these flags.
Benjamin9 on September 7, 2008 at 5:52 AM
Easily. Clearly you are desperately crying out for help. Unfortunately I am all booked up right now.
Sigmund on September 7, 2008 at 6:04 AM
What on earth are you ninnying on about? My profession is clearly that of a thespian.
Sigmund on September 7, 2008 at 6:13 AM
The problem here is not whether or not the flags were headed for the trash. The only reason this is a story at all is because Obama has appeared to be disrespectful of the American flag. The picture of Bill Ayers standing on the flag is in people’s minds, and this resonates with that picture. If this had occurred at a McCain event, it would have been seen as the oversight it is. The problem is not the flags–it’s Obama’s image in relationship to the flag.
RightWingGranny on September 7, 2008 at 7:22 AM
I’d say your profession is way older than that. Possibly the world’s oldest.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 8:03 AM
Convention night ends, rush to grab signs begins
I guess they weren’t too interested in flags though…
TheBigOldDog on September 7, 2008 at 8:27 AM
Well they were scrambling for other signs that night. Seems like they wanted everything BUT the flags. See Rocky Mountain News story above
TheBigOldDog on September 7, 2008 at 8:30 AM
Please don’t feed the trolls. You’re only justifying their trivial existence….
sheebe on September 7, 2008 at 2:33 AM
Amen sheebe…. Esp. the one that calls itself alphie.
Keemo on September 7, 2008 at 8:37 AM
William (we didn’t do enough damage) Ayers represents the typical Liberal mind-set regarding the American flag; throw it on the ground, stomp on it, piss on it, and treat it as garbage. Obama and Ayers are tight buddies for good reason, they are of the same mind-set.
I once had a Liberal foreman tell me that standing and saluting the American flag was the most ridiculous American tradition of all, that the American flag was nothing other than a “brainwash by big brother” to get stupid people to tote the line and join the military. I looked at this man in amazement and actually felt a little sorry for the guy to be so empty of value & pride for one’s own country. This is exactly how I see Liberals in general, void of so many of the values that allow life to have meaning, allow life to be rich beyond material goods. This man I speak of was in his middle 40’s, with a wife of many years, and no children. Once, I asked him why he didn’t have children (thinking there might have been a medical reason), and he told me he and his wife didn’t want to bring children into a world full of hatred, that the world was already over populated and polluted, that children require a type of commitment that would prevent them from traveling and pursuing personal goals.
My personal opinion; he and his wife chose not to have children because of selfishness and an inability to be bothered by the responsibilities. This mans world rotated around his own personal selfishness; me, me, and more about me. The concept of “one must learn how to give freely of himself before he can receive” is not in the realm of possibility for these kind of people. This is why I will never truly understand the mind of a Liberal; I simply want them defeated at every turn, I don’t want them in charge of decisions that will effect my family and our values.
Keemo on September 7, 2008 at 8:56 AM
I’m working on it.
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on September 7, 2008 at 9:04 AM
Keemo on September 7, 2008 at 8:56 AM –
Keemo…that foreman you speak of, not at all untypicial of a good part of the center-left either. Not on the Far Left, but you’ve seen others, the same way, college professors, those yuppies getting older, the ones who think nothing at all about spending each winter weekend in Brekenridge or Vail or Jackson Hole, but heaven forbid they’d actually put something in the Salvation Army kettle.
The arugula crowd…that’s who they are. Image? Very important. If you are not making $250k or more a year…mask it, or borrow it…image counts.
How to convert them? Ya can’t. But, one can pull off their outer circles, and move toward that center. In your neighborhood, these are the guys to focus in on…and you’ve already set up that argument…“one must learn how to give freely of himself before he can receive” or the act of giving gives us meaning.
Understanding the liberal…the left-center liberal, is easy. Image. Status. Proximity to power. The appearance of power. Take away this, or throw up a roadblock to this…and they panic. Look at the high-end housing failures across the country…people losing everythbing because that nore on their vacation home has just jumped APR, larger than their wallet can afford. Vacation home? How many Americans have vacation homes? 3500 square foot homes…too small these days…image…got to show off that weaalth (even if you are living from pay check to pay check…and they demand a government bailout?
Image.
No substance.
Obama…appeals to this crowd…he’s one of them…and center-left liberals are most prone to voting “white guilt” than any other segment.
Not attacking their patriotism…just going after their value system…
Rambling here…but good morning, anyway!
coldwarrior on September 7, 2008 at 9:15 AM
I think the point that Obama’s fan club {both here and abroad} are missing, is that the Democrats made a point of using thousands and thousands of flags to create an image.
And now we have the image of flags in hefty bags. Is it Obama’s fault? No, but Bush is not responsible for bad weather and yet there are all kinds of Democrats out there who blamed him for Katrina. That is politics. The Obama campaign understands that.
Terrye on September 7, 2008 at 9:30 AM
coldwarrior on September 7, 2008 at 9:15 AM
Yes my friend, good morning… Rainy day here in Montana. Drinking my coffee while looking at the details of the latest Zogby poll which has McCain/Palin up by 4%…
I agree with everything you have stated in your previous comment. The value system of the Liberal is truly disgusting. My wife and I ran a boy scout program in our community for (8) years, coached little league for (7) years, board member for our youth football program for (6) years. During this most wonderful time of our lives, I can tell you that 90% of the people who volunteered their time for these wonderful programs, were not those who trend towards the left. I only recall (1) volunteer who was a Liberal. These programs were huge, with over 1,200 kids in our youth football program, and 150 boys in our scout program; we could only muster up (1) Liberal to help run the programs, but yet these programs included hundreds of kids from left leaning families. We quietly referred to these people as “drive by parents”, drive up, drop off the kid, return when practice ends, in a hurry to get on with important stuff.
Keemo on September 7, 2008 at 9:33 AM
1GooDDaDDy on September 7, 2008 at 2:00 AM
LoL….Well said, and very true.
bridgetown on September 7, 2008 at 9:36 AM
Keemo on September 7, 2008 at 9:33 AM –
As for polling, bits and pieces here in Ohio show a move right here in Ohio…tied up over the last 48 hours, by Wednesday, should be able to get a good shift away from Obama. McCain/Palin are going to be in Lebanon, Ohio on Tuesday…the Cinci-Dayton corridor, the corridor (D)Gov. Strickland’s people think the Dems own…should get interesting.
The flag thing…fell into our laps, smart and decisive thinking, overnight decision, run with it until someone who matters says don’t run with it any more.
Served its purpose. Showed the Dems uncaring, nonchalant, pretty much total hypocrites on themes THEY raised prior to their convention. Had to be a green convention…wasn’t. Were going to sell carbon credits…none sold, really. Wanted to “prove to America” that we are patriots, too…purchased thousands and thousands of flags to hand out at Invesco, cover the field, hang from the rails….actually met with some internal opposition there within the Dems…thus had a few thousand unused….unwrapped but unused…all to be discarded…wasn’t going to be all about Obama but about the Campaign and bringing folks together…became a lovefest for the Obama crowd. Party? Didn’t matter. Country? Mattered less.
Keemo, ya got to just love it. The enthusiasm. The focus.
The growing lack of enthusiasm in the Obama camp. The obvious lack of focus in the Obama camp.
We are in the backfield, rounding the far turn…got a lot of track ahead of us…but the pack is starting to drop away.
Race isn’t over by any definition…we’re just positioning ourselves for that final stretch.
coldwarrior on September 7, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Any chance I could pick up some of these flags on Ebay?
jmartin61 on September 7, 2008 at 9:57 AM
Race isn’t over by any definition…we’re just positioning ourselves for that final stretch.
coldwarrior on September 7, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Yes, the Obama express has lost it’s momentum, while the Palin express is just gaining it’s legs.
It’s a wonderful thing, but much work lies ahead.
I’m off to go catch a few trout for Sunday night supper. You all have a great Sunday!
Keemo on September 7, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Sorry, but the DNC should have known better. To claim that the DNC couldn’t be responsible for people chucking flags in the garbage is wrong. Remember all those articles about the garbage checkers that the DNC and the Obama campaign hired to make sure everyone’s garbage was politically correct. Well, if they had people inspecting the audience’s disposal of garbage for plastics, they certainly could have informed those inspectors not to allow flags to be thrown in the garbage and for them to collect them in a separate area. But the fact that the DNC and Obama did not speaks volumes about their disrespect toward this country and its symbols.
eaglewingz08 on September 7, 2008 at 10:16 AM
Absolutely right. I have a degree in psychology, and I agree with you completely. I’m fixing tv’s for a living, since psychology is useless and I have to live with myself. I suppose I could have made a fair living at “psychoanalysis”, but not much of a life.
It actually is good at pinpointing the root cause of a problem, but it’s useless for doing anything about it. The only people I ever helped at all were the ones I managed to steer towards the church (of their choice, lest I be accused of proselytizing).
Squiggy on September 7, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Thanks.
Figured it out all by myself with 1 year of jr. collage in 1973, and 58 years on planet earth.
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on September 7, 2008 at 10:28 AM
Squiggy on September 7, 2008 at 10:21 AM
That’s pretty interesting. Hope the TV gig is good for you, most people seem to treat them as disposables.
Cindy Munford on September 7, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Could you fix my vertical hold?
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on September 7, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Here’s an Obama quote from his interview with George Stephanopoulos that aired this morning; I think it’s kind of pertinant here:
“How you campaign foreshadows how you govern.” - Barack Obama
dugan on September 7, 2008 at 10:48 AM
“How you campaign foreshadows how you govern.” – Barack Obama
dugan on September 7, 2008 at 10:48 AM
That, sir, is a gold nugget!
Obama just wrote yet another campaign ad for McCain/Palin.
Simple ad…30 second spot:
Picture of Obama talking to Steph, Obama saying this “how you campaign..” thing, played every five or ten seconds,
To the sound of appropriate yet silly music, taken from Benny Hill, perhaps, the intervening time showing one by one, all the folks Obama has thrown under the bus…
Last shot, a pile of litter and tossed out American flags…
Fade to close:”How you campaign foreshadows how you govern.”
coldwarrior on September 7, 2008 at 11:01 AM
…But wait there’s more!
The ABC interview was chock full ‘o nuggets – this one, is by far the clincher:
“This whole resume’ contest is not what the American People are looking for.” – Barack Obama, interview w/George Stephanopoulos, aired 9/7
dugan on September 7, 2008 at 12:04 PM
dugan on September 7, 2008 at 12:04 PM –
I am actually starting to wonder if Steve Schmidt didn’t covertly hire Obama as part of the McCain/Palin team…
Obama keeps handing us these precious moments/Kodak moment lines…and for free…
This is a model I love. Let the other poor dumb bastard do all the work for you, while you get all the profits, and the other poor dumb bastard actually believes he is doing himself a wonderful favor and that people love him for it.
coldwarrior on September 7, 2008 at 12:10 PM
This is one of those stories I wait on before I spring it on people…I don’t want to look at a republican convention garbage and see flags.
tomas on September 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Ed, has anyone figured out what the veterans will do with the flags?
I have a few idea’s if you know what veterans group took them.
Nothing wrong with “recycling” and I have an idea on how to make money and give it back to the public…. Veterans and Disabled.
Do something of the sort of “pay back” that others would be proud of. I just need someone who is good at making websites!
upinak on September 7, 2008 at 12:23 PM
It doesn’t have to be a conscious plot to dishonor the flag.
It just indicates the low level with which most Democrats hold the whole concept of patriotism.
The fact that none of the people, who’s hands those flags passed through on the way to the dumpster, saw nothing wrong with just throwing away those flags says all that needs to be said about them.
MarkTheGreat on September 7, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Flags have all been taken care of and are in good hands, and good new homes.
coldwarrior on September 7, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Barry O really is the gift that just keeps on giving.
Mojave Mark on September 7, 2008 at 12:35 PM
I suspect that if there were, we would have heard about it already.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 12:36 PM
tomas on September 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM
McCain/Palin handed out all of their flags from the GOP convention, at the rally in Colorado Springs yesterday.
Done, over with, taken care of in an appropriate manner.
Keemo on September 7, 2008 at 12:38 PM
I guess I’ll be in the minority when I say this isn’t that big of an issue. These were cheaply made flags for an event, they can be thrown away without criticism. Plus, to even put these small flags to the level of actual official flags (with right dimensions and all) is absurd and is borderline flag worshiping.
Yeah.
DanStark on September 7, 2008 at 12:50 PM
For the record – the FOX story ended with this line:
to which I replied along the lines of,
It wasn’t until this a.m. that my wife reminded me that every US flag they sell comes with directions for disposal from the manufacturer – and garbage wasn’t one of them. Oh yeah – the FOX article still says “No Comments” – liars.
rhodeymark on September 7, 2008 at 1:01 PM
I guess I’ll be in the minority when I say this isn’t that big of an issue. These were cheaply made flags for an event, they can be
throwngiven away without criticism..
FTFY
By the way, there were full size flags included, mouth breather.
rhodeymark on September 7, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Hogwash! It doesn’t matter what size they are or how cheaply they were produced . . . they are symbols of everything this country stands for and they should be disposed of in accordance with nationally accepted standards. According to your logic I could use a large barrel of cheap, small unneeded crucifixes for traction under my drive wheels if I was stuck. I’d do neither nor should anyone else of respectable character.
rplat on September 7, 2008 at 1:04 PM
As I said, I’m in the minority opinion. If you are given something or if you buy something, you have the right to do with it whatever you want. Maybe I’m just a little more libertarian when it comes to the issue of the flag and ownership. I would also go as far as to say it is a right to burn the flag too, as Scalia once said “It’s protected by the First Amendment.”
*waits for the tomatoes*
DanStark on September 7, 2008 at 1:10 PM
I guess I’ll be in the majority when I say this, but you are a dummy.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 1:12 PM
It is protected by the First Amendment, which says nothing about the flag burner getting his ass kicked nine ways to Sunday.
ManlyRash on September 7, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Man, I thought Obama threw the flag out a long time ago
He can’t recycle American flags because they are poisonous
They shed those flags like a second skin
I wonder if they got their hands burned holding them
Serial flag killer
entagor on September 7, 2008 at 1:32 PM
DanStark on September 7, 2008
There’s class, and then there’s classless…
The people will decide, that’s the price.
Keemo on September 7, 2008 at 1:47 PM
DanStark on September 7, 2008 at 1:10 PM –
What you do as an individual citizen has no bearing on the issue. First Amendment.
When a major political organization, running a candidate for the Presidency, gets it wrong, and then gets it wrong again, and then tries to obfuscate over their failure to take care of 12,500 US Flags from 3×5 inch to 5×8 foot…then Flag Etiquette, and the Flag Code do have a bearing…federal law, that Flag Code, passed by Congress, Public Law 77-826, in 1942. certainly does come into play.
But the big payoff is that this issue has been added to the matrix of Dem screw-ups which have cost the Obama campaign lotos of time, and energy and money to deal with.
One of those costly “distractions,” code for, “oops, we messed up, agin, and we are going to try to blame you for it.”
For the GOP the issue has been settled…the flags are now in good hands and in good homes.
For the Dems, they are still apologizing, obfuscating and waiting for the Monday memo to come out to tell them what to do next….and losing momentum…lots of it.
:-)
coldwarrior on September 7, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Hold on, what makes you think the contracting company hired to handle all the props and flags was run by liberals? You may be right, but someone would need to find out who was in charge.
Given their environmentalist platform, the Dems should have ensured that everything used during the convention was either properly recycled or donated. This was a huge screw up.
bayam on September 7, 2008 at 1:58 PM
“Question their ‘patriotism”??
I never “question” their “patriotism”!
I state, categorically, they have NO “patriotism”.
That, sadly….pathetically….is a Fact!
They pretend, when the cameras are rolling to have “patriotism”, and they whine and complain about people “questioning” their “patriotism”; but that is “Taqiyah” for the masses of the great unwashed in “fly-over” country; they actually have NO “patriotism”, and when the cameras on not on them, their actions prove it!
End of Discussion!
Dale in Atlanta on September 7, 2008 at 2:12 PM
So the Obama campaign refers to these bundles of flags as “leftovers” which were taken “without authorization.” Like they were on their way back to pick them up, or something?
As someone who has attended many industry trade shows as an exhibitor, allow me to say: What a hoot.
If you leave ANYTHING behind ANYWHERE in a convention hall which isn’t in a shipping crate with your shipping address on it, it WILL be headed for a dumpster post haste.
And that’s handy. Don’t need that leftover product literature? No problem…just leave it anywhere on the floor of the convention center after you tear down your booth. No need to carry it to a dumpster. Done it many times.
Leaving these flags behind even in their original shipping containers, as received by the campaign, would be tantamount to throwing them away, and everyone who’s ever exhibited at a trade shows knows it.
So the campaign is lying. They threw them away.
Sad thing is, any American Legion post or VFW hall would have gladly taken these flags off their hands and made good use of them. Too bad no one had the time to make a phone call.
glendower on September 7, 2008 at 2:57 PM
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