Former POW: We can’t let a former POW with a temper near the button

posted at 12:19 pm on September 4, 2008 by Allahpundit

A little counterprogramming to this week’s tributes at the convention from lefty propagandist Robert Greenwald, proving again that he’s perfectly at ease with the sort of “fearmongering” that progressives like to pretend only conservatives engage in. The most striking thing about this isn’t what Butler has to say — the talking points about McCain’s temper and “residual effects” suffered by POWs are old hat, and especially unconvincing given how stable and sober Butler himself seems — but how amateurish the editing is for a supposed ol’ pro documentarian like Greenwald. If the point is to frighten undecideds into thinking Maverick’s off his nut, why on earth would you include the stuff at the end pointing out Butler’s policy disagreements with him? His usefulness to the left is as a “neutral” observer of McCain’s supposed madness (even though he never offers anything more damning than that he’s “easy to anger”). Tacking on the shots at his supposedly bellicose foreign policy and Christian politicking only make him sound partisan and ulteriorly motivated, just as the unfair bit at the beginning about McCain being recognized as the POW makes him sound like he’s bearing a grudge. If Greenwald wasn’t such a partisan robot himself, he’d have realized that and cut it. As it is, he can’t resist.

Needless to say, this line of attack would have been a lot more effective earlier in Maverick’s career, before he spent 25 years in Washington absorbing the worst shots people could take at him and yet, curiously, never once melting down in some sort of Hanoi PTSD flashback. Exit question: Does Greenwald really want a battle of character witnesses on this point? How’d that work out for Sullivan?

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Anyone who has read at least 2 Tom Clancy books would know that much .. but then, that would involve reading.. and read a Tom Clancy novel on top of that..

DaveC on September 4, 2008 at 12:45 PM

I’ve never read a Tom Clancy book and I knew that.

CurtZHP on September 4, 2008 at 1:45 PM

I HotAir still a conservative site? Once again AP gives voice to some moron. If I want this shit I can go to DailyKos.

echosyst on September 4, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Doesn’t Bill Clinton have a nasty temper too?

Pcoop on September 4, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Only when he’s not getting his joint worked on

LimeyGeek on September 4, 2008 at 1:47 PM

You can extrapolate this idiot’s message. We shouldn’t have someone who was a POW as POTUS, because of the stess they went through. As a matter of fact, you really shouldn’t have anybody who served in combat, as POTUS. They could be suffering from PTSD (I’m a Vietnam Vet, by the way). Come to think of it, if somebody was in uniform and could have been sent into combat, they could be risky!

The best plan?

Go with a community organizer. They never go off their nut.

Star20 on September 4, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Grue in the Attic on September 4, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Not sure Godwin’s Law really applies in that instance…..merely mentioning Nazis or mentioning that someone else mentioned Nazis is not sufficient.

Godwin’s Law really relates to the direct use of Nazism as an ad hominem.

LimeyGeek on September 4, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Star20 on September 4, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Welcome home my brutha!

Semper Fi

Over.

1GooDDaDDy on September 4, 2008 at 1:53 PM

echosyst on September 4, 2008 at 1:47 PM

echosyst – this headline is their charge, not his. Read the first sentence of the first paragraph at the top of the page once more. A little counterprogramming to this week’s tributes at the convention from lefty propagandist Robert Greenwald, proving again that he’s perfectly at ease with the sort of “fearmongering” that progressives like to pretend only conservatives engage in.

This page is not advocacy on behalf of Robert Greenwald. It’s simply a report of what this moron is saying.

wise_man on September 4, 2008 at 1:54 PM

I’d say that this is almost as sick as The One’s MSMmachine attacking a young teenage girl.

On another note, when will Greenwald actually start putting a decent amount of production value into his Claw and Hammer propaganda films?

Seriously, if you take into account the bad acting and the poor lighting, this is a liberal pornography.

leetpriest on September 4, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Uh-last time I checked, it’s ok to have a temper. What has McCain done to make him a nut (other than campaign finance reform)?
I think people need to get angry more often these days. There is a lot in government to be pissed off about!

Badger40 on September 4, 2008 at 1:54 PM

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz what what?

Drone drone drone while they play a drunk lullaby in the background.

- The Cat

MirCat on September 4, 2008 at 1:59 PM

1GooDDaDDy,

Thanks! Same to you!

Can you imagine Barry in combat?

“As a fellow um, citizen of the ahh, world,I uh, think I’ll go over um, there, where the RPG’s are coming from, and ahhhh, talk to them.”

Star20 on September 4, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Godwin’s Law really relates to the direct use of Nazism as an ad hominem.

LimeyGeek on September 4, 2008 at 1:52 PM

The Democrats claim all current troops are “murderous Nazis,”

I would say that would qualify….

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 4, 2008 at 2:04 PM

“As a fellow um, citizen of the ahh, world,I uh, think I’ll go over um, there, where the RPG’s are coming from, and ahhhh, talk to them.”

Star20 on September 4, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Heh…right, in the “rear with the gear”.

Or up at HQ with his big feet on his desk drinking ice cold Cokes.

Over.

1GooDDaDDy on September 4, 2008 at 2:14 PM

I am happy to see the Obama camp starting to swing far left again, not to mention that they are resorting to the same scare tactics that they play victim about (but have yet to be seen from the Republican side).

So far, the RNC hasn’t hit very hard at the “running against Bush” theme. I would like to see McCain put out a challenge to Obama:

“Senator Obama, you have twice reiterated your willingness for a debate but, despite many invitations, have declined to participate in one. I have grown to accept that you are not willing to debate issues, so here is a different challenge: How about you run against MY policies and not those of the man who will be my predecessor.”

Damiano on September 4, 2008 at 2:17 PM

I’ll take McCain’s OODA loop anyday over Obama’s affirmation matrix.

coldwarrior on September 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Mr. Butler, is your personality the same as it was four decades ago? Are these traits virtually unchanged since that time? While I’m only 48 years old, it is certain I’ve changed in many ways since early youth. You are quick to take sides with those who would tear at the fabric of our great nation. Perhaps you would rather have the finger of some snot-nosed panty-waist like BHO near the red button!

angus mcbeemer on September 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM

I want our enemies to know that on these shores, in the oval office, we have someone with a nasty temper…

right2bright on September 4, 2008 at 2:39 PM

I wonder if Mr Butler is aware that a lot of vets are/were cops? Talk about someone who has their finger on a button on a daily basis. Were Mr Butler soooooo concerned, perhaps he should start a movement to have vets disqualified from any “stress” job.

GarandFan on September 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM

It was bull crap then and it’s bull crap now.

rplat on September 4, 2008 at 1:13 PM

You worry me, you sound unstable…

right2bright on September 4, 2008 at 2:45 PM

right2bright,

Amen. It reminds me of when my wife and I came home from a movie and my young daughter and her boyfriend were sitting on the couch, looking at a scrapbook. The boy said; “Mr.____, you were in Vietnam?” I said; “Yeah. I’m almost completely healed.”

Star20 on September 4, 2008 at 2:46 PM

I remember a family gahtering with the in-laws years ago, some state park in Michigan. A flight of Huey’s passed overhead…one of the guys yelled “Gooks in the wire! Gooks in the wire!” while a few of the other guys, myself included, immediately took positions behind the picnic tables. My then-wife said “Are you nuts?” Like, duh…?

coldwarrior on September 4, 2008 at 2:55 PM

My then-wife said “Are you nuts?” Like, duh…?

coldwarrior on September 4, 2008 at 2:55 PM

HA…I still get into a fast crouch if a car backfires or a door slams close to me.

Unstable or just good survival instincts?

Over.

1GooDDaDDy on September 4, 2008 at 3:02 PM

This video doesn’t prove much. If indeed former POWs suffer from residual effects, then we are no more assured by this guy’s story than we are by McCain’s. What’s more, his reference to the kind of young man McCain was at the Academy, makes no allowance for how a man can grow and mature over forty or fifty years.

I can’t see this effort being successful in countering the effect of Palin putting the media on the defensive and giving the Dems a really good scare.

manwithblackhat on September 4, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Compare this guy to Tom Moe.

Pretty much sums it up.

coldwarrior on September 4, 2008 at 3:29 PM

1GooDDaDDy,

Thanks! Same to you!

Can you imagine Barry in combat?

“As a fellow um, citizen of the ahh, world,I uh, think I’ll go over um, there, where the RPG’s are coming from, and ahhhh, talk to them.”

Star20 on September 4, 2008 at 2:03 PM

I think Barry would feel extremely out of place in combat. Not just because he considers soldiers and marines murderers or because he wants to see the U.S. lose every engagement, but mostly because he’d have to be around all of us typical white people that would be clinging to guns and religion.

leetpriest on September 4, 2008 at 3:43 PM

I’m a Vietnam Vet, by the way

Star20 on September 4, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Thank you for your service sir. My father was flew Hueys there. By God’s mercy he came back to raise me well.

shick on September 4, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Butler is a Veterans for Peace activist.

Military people, like civilians are allowed to disagree with one another on various topics….including politics.

Just walk into any Navy EM club on a Saturday night and you’re bound to observe a few Squids and Jarheads disagreeing with one another.

The Ugly American on September 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM

…and thanks a lot, Phillip Butler for making me stick up for John McCain.

Bastard.

The Ugly American on September 4, 2008 at 4:17 PM

shick,

I was with the Mobile Riverine Force, in the Mekong Delta. Those Huey guys gave us close support, Medivac, etc.. They were remarkable, extremely brave men. You should be very, very proud!

Star20 on September 4, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Butler is a Veterans for Peace activist.
The Ugly American on September 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Guys I had my run in with this bunch of loons last Memorial Day here in SacTown.

“Click” on my Tag link below to see the YouTube I posted on them if you’d like.

The action really starts in part 3.

Over.

1GooDDaDDy on September 4, 2008 at 4:21 PM

BTW…what’s up that funeral dirge?

I know production budgets can be tight but the least they could’ve done was license a snappier library tune.

Also, I hope for Butler’s sake that Obama doesn’t experience any post-drug-use acid flashbacks or poor Phillip’s gonna be spending is twilight years in a nuclear winter.

That is all.

The Ugly American on September 4, 2008 at 4:40 PM

I plan on making a video which refutes certain distinctions of Obama’s military service.

I’ve had a hell of a time finding any of Obama’s old vet buddies, can someone point me in the right direction?

Bishop on September 4, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Have you checked under the bus?

barton on September 4, 2008 at 6:07 PM

I’ll take McCain’s OODA loop anyday

coldwarrior on September 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Manuever warfare, I like it. I prefer that too.

Hog Wild on September 4, 2008 at 10:57 PM

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