Peggy Noonan: Let me explain
posted at 8:24 pm on September 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Just posted at the Journal. She claims “it’s over” was taken completely out of context via video editing, which, given her specificity as to what that part of the conversation was really about and the fact that this did, after all, come from MSNBC and TPM, seems at least reasonably plausible. Not sure I buy the explanation about narratives, though:
It was just after the 1988 Republican convention ended. I was on the plane, as a speechwriter, that took Republican presidential nominee George H.W. Bush, and the new vice presidential nominee, Dan Quayle, from New Orleans, the site of the convention, to Indiana. Sitting next to Mr. Quayle was the other senator from that state, Richard Lugar. As we chatted, I thought, “Why him and not him?” Why Mr. Quayle as the choice, and not the more experienced Mr. Lugar? I came to think, in following years, that some of the reason came down to what is now called The Narrative. The story the campaign wishes to tell about itself, and communicate to others. I don’t like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is … a barnyard epithet. And, oddly enough, it is something that Republicans are not very good at, because it’s not where they live, it’s not what they’re about, it’s too fancy. To the extent the McCain campaign was thinking in these terms, I don’t like that either. I do like Mrs. Palin, because I like the things she espouses. And because, frankly, I met her once and liked her. I suspect, as I say further in here, that her candidacy will be either dramatically successful or a dramatically not; it won’t be something in between.
That’s great, except that as I noted earlier, it’s precisely Palin’s narrative as the gun-toting, moose-hunting hockey mom that Noonan argued this morning has struck such fear into the left’s withered little heart. Quote: “Because she jumbles up so many cultural categories, because she is a feminist not in the Yale Gender Studies sense but the How Do I Reload This Thang way, because she is a woman who in style, history, moxie and femininity is exactly like a normal American feminist and not an Abstract Theory feminist; because she wears makeup and heels and eats mooseburgers and is Alaska Tough, as Time magazine put it; because she is conservative, and pro-2nd Amendment and pro-life; and because conservatives can smell this sort of thing — who is really one of them and who is not — and will fight to the death for one of their beleaguered own; because of all of this she is a real and present danger to the American left, and to the Obama candidacy.” It’s the narrative that terrifies them, in other words. In which case, if she doesn’t like narrative politics, what’s she doing trumpeting it in her column as some potential liberal giant-killer?
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Forgot to close tags, the 2nd half is mine, reformed:
Sometimes when I read these comments, I just have to shake my head.
I’ll explain so that you can put this misunderstanding to bed.
Lieberman: NO FUTURE IN THE GOP. So his appointment would be meaningless in building the party.
Palin: THE FUTURE OF THE GOP. So, um, it’s awesome she’s picked. That makes the VP slot valuable in and of itself because it’s grooming the future!
Spirit of 1776 on September 3, 2008 at 8:57 PM
How can anyone believe her ever again?
TheBigOldDog on September 3, 2008 at 8:58 PM
I’ll tell you what. Something happens to folks when they go on MSNBC. I’m not sure if the producers and handlers get them going or coached but except for Newt and a few other folks, they all end up cowering and deferring to the liberal gauntlet on that station. Peggy Noonan’s no different.
I’ve served overseas quite a few years over my career and at one time served as the Voting Assistance Officer for my unit. It’s not always easy to go through the gyrations of helping soldiers get registered and sending off for their ballots. There are a lot of different rules for a lot of different states. So for the 2000 elections, seeing then Rep Joe Scarborough fighting tooth and nail across Florida for the military against Gore lawyers trying to disqualify as many of the military ballets as they could he really became a hero of mine. I said, look at this. He’s not a wimp Republican scared of what the media might say about him. He freaking had Rep Wexler crying in a point, counter-point interview I saw. But now, you see him and wonder what happened. I wouldn’t say he’s cut from the same cloth of his contemporaries on MSNBC, but you have to ask, where is that spirit and what happened to that fire in his eye crusading for the military vote. It’s in his pocketbook and in his aspiration to move up the ladder at MSNBC. He may nit be in the can for Obama, but he knows what he can’t say and what he’s obliged by the network to say. He certainly isn’t objective. What happened to ya Joe?
Very disappointing!
hawkdriver on September 3, 2008 at 8:59 PM
How does Noonan like her leftwing friends at MSNBC now?
If you think that this wasn’t planned…
TexasJew on September 3, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Prediction:
Her slow transition leftward will pick up pace. This will be followed by many inside stories about the “real” Reagan administration…. all so she can continue the cocktail circuit for a bit longer.
CC
CapedConservative on September 3, 2008 at 9:00 PM
fossten on September 3, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Heh. Hey ignoramus. Click on my name and peruse my blog before you assume too much about me. FYI, I was one of the first bloggers exposing Barack Obama and his racist Church back in Jan 2007 after reading about it at Sweetness and Light. The rest of the ignorant were just finding out about it in late 2007 and early 2008 and were shocked – *shocked!* – at the news. Meanwhile, I was sitting here wondering what the hell was wrong with everyone that they hadn’t know about something I had known about for months.
But, please, instead of making yourself look like an idiot, know who you’re talking to and what they stand for, before you get your rocks off by tyring to insult them on an anonymous online political forum.
Michael in MI on September 3, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Weren’t you on your way to a book burning?
Can.Utility on September 3, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Good riddance, Peggy.
faraway on September 3, 2008 at 9:01 PM
All the world’s a speech to Noonan, I’m thinking. It’s not about strategy, or what’s best for the country, or having a chance in hell to defeat the worst Dem candidate to come down the pike in years by countering a political hack VP with someone who represents “change” — nah, it’s all about the phraseology, the narrative, the words, the trappings, the affectations.
And, of course, if Noonan were writing the speech, framing the talk, guiding the campaign — it would be just simply brilliant. Because of, you know, the narrative.
Nichevo on September 3, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Notice to All Conservatives:
If you are miked, PLEASE watch what you say.
There is no such thing as “out of context” when you give the other side a tasty morsel that they can beat us over the head with, you hurt the cause more than if you just keep quiet (unless, you feel your cause is helped by speaking up….but, that’s obviously not the case here since she’s already backpedaling).
JadeNYU on September 3, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Time magazine cover in her future
tomas on September 3, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Right. Meanwhile, if the McCain Administration is as bad as we all think McCain will be with all his bad policies, then she will be linked to that. So how does she set herself up for the future?
The point that you and all the rest are missing. The McCain Administration is going to be what it is, no matter who is VP. However, if he further drags the GOP brand into the mud, she goes down in the mud with him, just like all those associated with President Bush are now tainted.
So Palin doesn’t matter. McCain and what he does as President matters, because it will reflect on her.
But people here seem to think that Palin somehow changes how the McCain Administration will be. She doesn’t. McCain will be McCain. And if he is bad, she suffers for it.
Michael in MI on September 3, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Two things hit conservative guys hard the first time we saw Gov Palin speaking…and both Peggy Noonan just doesn’t get:
1) She’s a female Ronald Reagan. As a man, I would follow her lead. Where is my checkbook and all that junk mail from he RNC? Oh crap, a hurricane made her hard to find on TV. I hate the media. Can’t wait for Weds night.
2) My fading intellectual crush on Peggy Noonan can now be abandoned. I’d rather have leadership and action than flowery words. Noonan now reminds me of the female Obama. What did Helen Thomas’ twin just say about my new woman? You have to be kidding me! Dumped her just in time then.
econavenger on September 3, 2008 at 9:04 PM
I wonder if Noonan is stupid enough to ever appear on MSNBC again.
terryannonline on September 3, 2008 at 9:04 PM
This isn’t the first time the mask has slipped for Peggy. Its been a couple or three years now for me since my disillusionment with her began and this incident only confirms for me what I’ve been sensing for some time. I still read her and find that she can still wow me as with this morning’s column. But I think she’s long ago become much more the consummate Washington insider than any committed movement conservative, which I believe, she truly once was. I think she’s long become beholden to the liberal establishment who pay her and hire her to play the part of the conservative pundit on television because she’s safe and can counted on never to make her fellow bubble-head-liberals look bad and at appropriate times, to betray her own cause. I think she has long understood that this is how and why she is kept around. I think she is part and parcel to corruption of Washington, seated at the very heart of its most corrupt institution which is the liberal media establishment.
I think her column this morning was a tacit admission to this truth.
Nyog_of_the_Bog on September 3, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Go away, Peggy. I can’t hear you anymore. Maybe you can get a job at MSNBC goofing with the nuts.
drunyan8315 on September 3, 2008 at 9:05 PM
I’m wrong? Um, last I checked, John McCain was the GOP Presidential candidate. If something happened on Friday to change that, I must really be out of the loop.
Michael in MI on September 3, 2008 at 9:06 PM
In other words, it’s not about titles. It’s not about offices. It’s about people. Jindal, Thompson, and Palin are harbingers of a new era the way Buckley, Goldwater, and Reagan were.
And it’s about damned time!
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Also, re-reading AP’s post, I think he and PN are defining “Narrative” differently. AP is talking about Palin’s personal and political qualities. But PN seems to be using it to describe picking Palin to sell a message: “We’re reformy!”, or possibly to describe the identity politics aspect of the pick.
Karl on September 3, 2008 at 9:06 PM
OK, all set.
Sitting in front of my 61′ big screen TeeVee with my brand new MacBook on my lap, watching FOX, and waiting for the ‘Cuda.
Let’s ROCK HA people!
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on September 3, 2008 at 9:07 PM
She’s lying.
And that picture is from 1985.
Kasper Hauser on September 3, 2008 at 9:07 PM
GOP candidate doesn’t mean he is our(conservatives) candidate.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 9:07 PM
I’m not missing any point. And I’ll be happy to walk through it point by point but I’m gonna watch these speeches right now. Mitt just started.
Spirit of 1776 on September 3, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Try again, Peggy. The words you’re looking for are:
I seemed to have misplaced my credibility. Could someone help me find it?
Here’s a hint: stop looking for it at MSNBC.
Mr. D on September 3, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Sorry if I misread.
To answer you question above (it’s a good one) all I can say, as someone who is offended by AP’s writing, is that it comes down to delivery.
It’s an unfair thing, I know. Two people can convey the same exact message but be received in completely different ways simply based on their delivery styles and the ear that hears. It’s also a matter of track record.
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 9:08 PM
1GooDDaDDy on September 3, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Head over to C-SPAN. Direct. Live. Unfiltered. Michael Steele just finished a barn-burner. Mitt is on now.
coldwarrior on September 3, 2008 at 9:08 PM
You have got to be joking. If the entire electorate could not influence him on Amnesty or a fence or Juan Hernandez or global warming, what makes you think that all of a sudden, McCain is going to go against everything he stands for and let Palin change him? The argument in favor of McCAin is that he is a principled man who is a Maverick and does not go with the popular thing just because it is popular. After months of being that way, bringing on Palin is going to change all that?
Geez, man, come on. Has everyone forgotten who is John McCain? Shoot, I am really, REALLY liking Palin the more I read and find out about her, but John McCain is John McCain. He ain’t changing, not for anyone. He stood up to extreme criticism from Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingrahm and he won in spite of their fierce opposition. Why would he just flip-flop now? He would be going against everything that makes him who he is.
Michael in MI on September 3, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Peggy Noonan isn’t an oracle- who cares. Turns out she is human. The Mask slipped so what.
Dr Evil on September 3, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Yes, ytou are. And yes, you must be. And don’t imply that VP doesn’t matter. Cheney has been a real asset and influenced policy. So did Bush 41.
Spirit of 1776 on September 3, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Peggy Noonan,
You removed your own mask without any help from anyone else. What’s done is done. No thanks for denigrating Palin. But thanks for making it clear how you really think. Lesson taught, lesson learned.
maverick muse on September 3, 2008 at 9:12 PM
I get it, but it seems to be a small group. McCain may win this election, but long term will do untold damage to the conservative cause.
Can.Utility on September 3, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Copy that. Will Do. Thanks for the tip.
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on September 3, 2008 at 9:13 PM
There’s nothing quite like an open mike. Freud would have something profound to say about the irony of verbalizing into a microphone something you don’t want anyone to hear; I won’t make the attempt.
Noonan, you have a long way to go if you want to tap dance like Gregory Hines. I know what it sounds like I said, but Tap Tap Tippity Tap.
BobMbx on September 3, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Have all her books, have always so admired her.
I am one saddened reader today. Yet another I will have to toss upon my ‘I’ll never spend another dime on this nincompoop again’. peggy…..You’ve stabbed us all in the back. Has it always been nothing but self promoting lies??
dustoffmom on September 3, 2008 at 9:14 PM
This boils down to one simple premise-
This is not your father’s Republican party.
Everyone on all sides had been trying to package McCain into a Republican caricature. He’s nowhere near that and never will be. So, as a consolation prize, people tried the Maverick label, which also doesn’t work since it would require him to fit into an alternative, predictable box of sorts.
It’s simple. McCain is the guy that Thompson so eloquently described yesterday. He’s his own man who will do what he thinks in the right and honorable thing to do every time, no matter who’s idea it was and whether or not it suits his personal interests or ideas. In one word- he’s honorable. For as much as people praise that quality in a person; deep down, honorable people are disliked because they cannot be used to serve your interests when you need them too. Republicans want to have their needs met and their boxes checked. So do Democrats. John’s a Republican, not because he believes the party principles; he’s a Republican because he thinks that most of the ideas are the right thing to do.
Palin’s the same as far as I can tell. That is why this right leaning independent pro-choice atheist adores them both. I disagree with some things that McCain supports but I really don’t care. Yeah, I don’t subscribe to a religion, but I am not going to argue with anyone who does. Truly religious people are generally good people who do the right things. I fully support that. They do it because God says so, I do it because it’s the right thing to do. Yup, I am pro-choice, but if no woman on earth is ever faced with that choice again, it’s even better. Not because there is a law against it but because having kids is a beautiful thing.
Damiano on September 3, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Peggy Noonan has joined the ranks of Helen Thomas as a has been old woman.
Wade on September 3, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Nail. Head. Hit.
McCain STILL worries me. But now that it’s between Obama and McCain, sadly, like others predicted, I, as a conservative voter, will vote McCain.
Michelle Malkin was a leader in stopping the Shamnest deal. We need to see what she did, emulate it ourselves, or do what we can to support such people as they champion conservative values.
That said, I respect McCain for his willingness to champion his values–and to remain determined in face of opposition (even if that opposition is mine).
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 9:15 PM
OT:
Was just watching Rove carve up Colmes on Fox. Did anyone else who was watching wish that Karl would sprinkle some magic dust on Alan and watch his head shrivel up like a raisin?
BobMbx on September 3, 2008 at 9:16 PM
ColdWarrior…..hooray and could not agree more. CSPAN is THE place to be for this! No talking heads overspeaking the speakers! I am so sick of hearing Hannity pontificating I could shoot the damn set. Thank heaven’s for truly straight news channels!
dustoffmom on September 3, 2008 at 9:17 PM
What Peg does not understand about her attempt to square the circle of her view of narrative is that Sarah is the Narrative. It is who Sarah is.
You can’t stop the Narrative.
Dusty on September 3, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Blah, blah, blah. Peggy, in context, your essays have become increasingly equivocating and nonsensical. You’re done. Enjoy your new friends. I’m sure they will show you a great time. Until the elections.
HelenW on September 3, 2008 at 9:18 PM
You obviously don’t read much of AOSHQ. If you did, you’d know Ace himself hasn’t committed to voting for McCain, but he, and most of the regular posters, like Palin.
Michelle, who’s never been two-faced to my knowledge was commenting on non-Palin, McCain-related matters that do not endear him to many Conservatives.
So how does this relate to Noonan and what exactly is your point?
Nichevo on September 3, 2008 at 9:19 PM
What makes anyone think Peggy Noonan is any better when it comes to faith in America than Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, or Barack Hussein Obama? Behold, Noonan rolling over on President Bush during the big appeasement pile-on 18 months ago:
If you ask me, she’s right at home with foxhole friends Olberwomann and co.
Western_Civ on September 3, 2008 at 9:19 PM
…so because he bucked pundits, he’ll refuse to listen to his right hand woman? He’s seeing what Palin is doing for him, and I don’t think he’s stupid enough to ignore the person who, I think, is going to win him this thing. He’s been trailing all year, and if he wins, he has only her to thank for it.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 9:21 PM
hmmm….I’m still reading here….are we going to get an open thread on the convention this evening? Guess I need to close out and go look! :) Or has AP totally taken over heravouts?
dustoffmom on September 3, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Noonan has found her place at MSNBC . . . now, she need to stay there and keep out of our hair. Goodbye Peggy, have a nice life.
rplat on September 3, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Peggy Noonan the one that came up with that “Kinder, Gentler” nonsense way back when for Geo. Bush 1? I never did understand that. Only 4 years after one of the biggest landslides in history (Dutch carried states like NY by a million votes for goodness sakes) and “Kinder, Gentler” we were instantly on the defensive and have been since then. Till now, maybe, hopefully. Here’s the ball Sara!
Rayhummel on September 3, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Peggy Noonan has become the bag lady of the Republican Party. She is the symbol of the old elitist guard that cost us the congressional majorities.
revolution on September 3, 2008 at 9:24 PM
How sad that Margaret, as her close friend Christopher Matthews calls her, has become just another of MSNBC’s useful idiots.
I await Peter Robinson’s review. There’s been bad blood between them for decades.
Terrie on September 3, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Screw her.
I’ll never read her op-eds again.
txdoc on September 3, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Tuned in @ C-SPAN.
Let’s GO!
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on September 3, 2008 at 9:25 PM
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 9:21 PM –
With all due respect to Michelle, she is but one of hundreds if not thousands of pundits. She has influence, but relies on hundreds if not thousands of others to make that influence cogent.
As for Palin, there is only one Vice President.
Which will have the ear of the President more often and with more authority?
coldwarrior on September 3, 2008 at 9:25 PM
She lives in a big house, CC. Huge mortgage payments. Lotsa taxes. Plus, she needs to have her ego stroked. Not long before she sells her soul – assuming she hasn’t done so already.
ManlyRash on September 3, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Hey Peggy, would you rather be known as an idiot or a liar? Those are the only 2 options here. Most of us probably gave you the benefit of the doubt but seriously, sharing the stage with morons on MSNBC I am not sure it really matters.
Going back on soon? Maybe with that other *gag* conservative Joe whats-his-name.
Update your photo by the way, it’s a little misleading too.
JeffinOrlando on September 3, 2008 at 9:26 PM
My people in the office think theres a possibility that MSMBC deliberately altered the audio.
Could this be possible and if so what does it portend for the MSM generally and MSNBC in particular if the nets are deliberately doctoring the quotes of their panelists in ways that are favorable to Ice & Slider and unfavorable to Maverick & Goose??
Mike D. on September 3, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Book burning is an activity best exemplified by national socialists…yourself, for example.
ManlyRash on September 3, 2008 at 9:27 PM
You ARE obtuse. AND insincere.
ManlyRash on September 3, 2008 at 9:28 PM
She’s old, but still hot and knows it.
What a crock of shit. She is sleeping with too many MSM dicks. Sorry, Peggy, nice try, but we are not buying it.
Get some more batteries for “buzz” we are done with you.
As Bill Clinton would say, “Nice Tie” or F**K you.
Kempermanx on September 3, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Oh, trust me, I understand completely. I was one of AllahPundit’s biggest critics (to put it lightly) when I felt he was unfairly smearing Fred Thompson and ragging on “Fredheads” during the Primaries. Considering I supported Fred Thompson, I took it a little personally. I also am a very positive person when it comes to my personal life (when it comes to politics, not so much anymore), so I tire of the negativity as well. I also got very, very annoyed with what I thought were antagonistic Atheism-Theism posts, which I felt he did just for the sake of increasing traffic and comments.
However, I interpret most of his writing as schtick when he does the pessimism stuff and I appreciate his research in showing the realities of the campaign instead of just being a koolaid drinker and spewing out GOP talking points and rah-rah-shish-boom-bah! posts.
I guess what I find more tiresome than the negativity is the meanness that I am seeing within the supposed conservative coalition. I thought that the post over at Ace of Spades was going over the edge in calling out a fellow respected blogger and inciting his blog readers to trash AllahPundit. That was low. And not helpful to the cause.
People don’t stop to think that AllahPundit is an actual person. Just like you and I. I’m sure this isn’t as easy a job as some people think it is. And I’m sure the criticism isn’t always easy to just let roll off his back. What if tomorrow, AllahPundit just said “f*** it, I’m tired of this, it is stressing me out too much, Michelle (Malkin), I am resigning from HotAir, effectively immediately”. What would people say then? Would they continue to trash him and say “good riddance, you pessimistic, atheist pr*ck, we don’t need ya!” Or would they realize just what we lost in his analysis and personality and research skills?
What bothers me most is the complete and utter lack of respect people show others, simply over politics. I bet all of us have friends in our circle who are leftists. In fact, my mother and my Air Force airmen brother are leftists and my brother is also an atheist. When people start spewing ignorant, insulting vitriolic hatred against those general groups, simply over politics, considering them all whatever low form of life, I know they think that of my mother and my military brother. And I wonder if these people would be the same ignorant, disrespectful jerks if they had to talk to everyone face to face.
It’s just overall sad to see the political discussion deteriorating on both sides of the aisle.
Michael in MI on September 3, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Get off the tracks now…the train is coming.
ManlyRash on September 3, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Not if Sarah Palin becomes president after McCain.
ManlyRash on September 3, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Say goodnight,
GraciePeggydrjohn on September 3, 2008 at 9:32 PM
You’re really an Obama sock puppet, aren’t you? Come on, admit it.
Can.Utility on September 3, 2008 at 9:32 PM
You’ve been outed. Live with it.
ManlyRash on September 3, 2008 at 9:32 PM
I do read Ace of Spades quite a bit actually. AllahPundit’s continuous linking to him turned me on to the site. In fact, I really enjoyed DrewM, JackStraw and Ace trying to get everyone to stop with the ridiculous Palinmania and demonizing everyone, including NRO simply for bringing up criticisms of Palin. I like Ace and DrewM and I like JackStraw’s comments on the issue as well. The rest though the last few days in the comments have been completely overboard.
And if you read one of my later comments after my initial one, you would have seen that I stated I should have put an “OT” to start off my comment.
Michael in MI on September 3, 2008 at 9:33 PM
In Jerry Seinfeld voice:
Goodbye NOONEN!
TheSitRep on September 3, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Keep hoping.
ManlyRash on September 3, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Yes it will. You cannot run forever on global warming, carbon credits, and anti-business rhetoric, and hold your financial nor popular mantle.
Can.Utility on September 3, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Peggy when you hangout with libs at the NY times& the Washington post and Msnbc it,s like laying down with dogs you will get fleas.You have been warned many times now you are yesterdays news.(You have made you bed with the Libs now lie in it)
thmcbb on September 3, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Knucklehead Noonan can explain until her face turns blue, and it ain’t going to make a bit of difference, because she got caught live on mike.
So what is she going to use for an excuse next? That is was words?
Just words?
pilamaye on September 3, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Pundits? He bucked the 70% of the electorate who wants a damn fence and immigration enforcement (not to mention there was the Gang of 14, his torture bill, which Andy McCarthy exposed as a huge mistake, his McCain-Feingold bill, his McCain-Lieberman global warming bill, etc etc etc… if he going to flip on all those, because of Palin?). When he gets rid of Juan Hernandez, then I will believe his “Country First” motto. Until then, when I see “Country First”, I wonder which country he is talking about, Mexico or America.
Michael in MI on September 3, 2008 at 9:36 PM
She needs to get into her 1965 Dodge Dart with her twelve cats and shove off.
benrand on September 3, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Well Huckabee is surely rocking the house!!!
(You’perobably not seeing it if you are on anything but CSPAN!)
dustoffmom on September 3, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Oh, I get it – you’re a Huckabigot.
Can.Utility on September 3, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Yeah, dude, that’s it. I’ve just been writing on my blog as a fake conservative since 2006 and only now have been outed by the almighty ManlyRash. Congrats, oh great one.
Please. If you want to have an intelligent discussion of politics, feel free. If you want to just get your rocks off criticizing people as trolls and lefties, simply because you have a slight disagreement with them politically, you can consider yourself ignored by me from now on.
Michael in MI on September 3, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Someone should tell Ms. Noonan that it’s over when the fat lady sings, not when some elitist talking head says it’s over.
kam582 on September 3, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Thank you Huck…had me in tears. This military widow loved your speech!
dustoffmom on September 3, 2008 at 9:41 PM
I think tomorrows article will titled : Hot Flashes at the Convention and Its Impact on Authenticity.
Fuquay Steve on September 3, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Good luck to her in digging herself out of this hole.
chiefeditor on September 3, 2008 at 9:42 PM
uh…yeah. You can tell by my support of Palin, right? Dope.
ManlyRash on September 3, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Huck got it right!
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on September 3, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Just wanted to say thanks Peggy. You have given us the oh so valuable gift of knowing who you really are.
titus_pullo on September 3, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Markos Moulitsas has a blog. Big F-ing deal. Not impressed. Like I said, get off the tracks. Because history is barrel-assing in your direction.
ManlyRash on September 3, 2008 at 9:46 PM
That was a
very goodan excellent post. I agree 100%.When I’ve disagreed with Allah and shot back (for the same reasons you stated)–I’ve tried to be respectful of his position, his efforts and my respective standing as a reader and poster versus actual being the site workhorse.
But perhaps AP could take your advice as well–it was good advice–remember that we are ALL human beings, no matter whom we support. Antagonizing people nets the same in return. It’s a two-way street and the cars drive fast.
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Great points!!
I’d also like to say one of the most ironic things about this is that Noonan’s writing style includes plenty of NARRATIVE!!!
She’s always telling stories and using words and describing people to prove her points and bring up images of Americana.
Sorry, Peggy. “It’s over.”
INC on September 3, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Okay, I’m going to squeeze this in b4 next speaker.
You are confusing, imho, enthusiasm for Palin with happiness with McCain. The base has rallied around this ticket for 2 reasons: 1 – Palin, 2- McCain chose to pick Palin instead of Liebs/Ridge, etc.
As far as trying to ruin everyone’s enthusiasm, here’s the bottom line: not a single thing people have trumpted about her has held any weight. NONE of them.
So the insane thing to do would be to continue to be expecting ill, when crazy rumors are all they have to fire against her. I believe in innocent till proven guilty. Not only is there no “guilty” there, there is no credible charge even made!
Her name is not going to be ruined or affect by McCain’s administration if it is poor. Conservatives will explain logically to folks like you that McCain’s admin was his mandate, not hers. She on the JM ticket is just upside. Increases her profile and she can influence him.
If she effects the energy issue, you are going to be very very pleased with John’s decision.
Spirit of 1776 on September 3, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Go get em! This Governor from Hawaii is kicking ass! I love these Republican women!
dustoffmom on September 3, 2008 at 9:55 PM
And they dress better!
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on September 3, 2008 at 10:00 PM
In the spirit of Minnesooooota……youbetcha!
dustoffmom on September 3, 2008 at 10:08 PM
As the old saying goes: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of liberal minds.
What do liberals love more than anything on earth: stereotypes. Man, if you don’t fit into a tiny little cubbyhole, you scare the buzeesus out of them.
logis on September 3, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Can anyone say David Gergen? Outed as a lib, he was able to resurrect his career over on the open-minded side of the aisle. Perhaps her retirement is not so close at hand.
For the record, she needs to shut up and take her lumps!
InTheBellyoftheBeast on September 3, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Holey Moley!!! This convention is FIRED UP! And Sarah has not even hit the stage yet! Rudy is surely delivering the goods tonight.
dustoffmom on September 3, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Michael in MI
I assume, I know I’m taking a real big gamble here, that by all your posts you have decided to take a vacation this November and spend it on the beach or the slopes or maybe just relaxing at home all day. It sounds like you are similar to those voters on the left that are single issue voters, you they pick an issue like abortion, free health care, free drugs or what ever and if the words come out of the candidate’s mouth they vote for that candidate no matter what else they stand for or against. If that’s the kind of voter you are, because the Republican ticket doesn’t fit your view of any conservative value, that’s your prerogative. I only hope you, and everyone like you can live with the result.
I may not like what John McCain does or has done, but the alternative, in my opinion, is much worse, longer lasting and will affect my children, grand-children and their children in a significantly negative way.
belad on September 3, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Why is she explaining herself to a bunch of losers like us?
We can’t hear her cause she is dead to us!
Bicyea on September 3, 2008 at 10:21 PM
If Peggy really does think she was misquoted through editing, she needs to demand that MSNBC release a full copy of the tape now, since that would prove if her explanation on “It’s over” is valid, if she’d rather just leave it at that and not have the tape available, because it would prove otherwise.
To be fair to Kay Bailey, the charges were brought by Travis County District Attorney Ronnie “I could indict a ham sandwich, but I couldn’t convict it” Earle. The charges were part of his effort to keep Hutchison from winning election in 1994 and were dropped without ever going to trial, in the same way his efforts to help Ann Richards by indicting her Democratic rival, Jim Maddox, fell flat, and in the same way his case against Tom DeLay proved to be more sound than substance.
jon1979 on September 3, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Noonen is trying to tapdance in flipflops.
profitsbeard on September 3, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Yaaaayyy!
ronsfi on September 3, 2008 at 10:29 PM
McCain has beltway disease, the way I look at it is better he half-heartedly floow it than have a Pope of the faith running it like Barry calling in Gore/
YMMV.
sven
sven10077 on September 3, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Mike I am reminded of these lines from Milton:
long and hard is the path that up from darkness leads out into light
The nation will endure 4 years of McCain better than 4 years of a democrat bobsled course. If we do not back McCain hell bent for leather our down ticket suffers allthemore.
I’m voting for John, but in the end both he and the party know a lot of us are with Sarah.
sven
sven10077 on September 3, 2008 at 10:42 PM
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