Awful: Peggy Noonan, Mike Murphy caught on open mike about Palin
posted at 5:16 pm on September 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I wonder how this little interstitial made its way from MSNBC to TPM. Oh well. Fox nailed Jesse Jackson talking about Obama this way, so turnabout’s fair play.
Simply awful, not only for Palin as a vote of no confidence (“it’s over”) ahead of the big speech from someone respected on the right but for Noonan herself as evidence that she lies to her readers. Remember, the column this morning that I stupidly praised was all about how compelling Palin’s narrative is and how dangerous it might prove to the left. See for yourself what she really thinks of the narrative approach. She also says, “Gut: The Sarah Palin choice is really going to work, or really not going to work.” You’ll see that nuance somewhat refined here too.
I’m sending you to Politico to watch it because it’s a little hard to decipher what’s being said and they have a transcript. Exit quotation from Noonan’s op-ed: “Palin’s friends should be less immediately worried about what the Obama campaign will do to her than what the McCain campaign will do.” Or what Republican pundits will do, I guess. Click the image to watch.
Update: Noonan updates at the Journal to say she was taken out of context.
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I don’t remember him typing an ellipsis. I think you took him out of context.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Are you Mormon?
a capella on September 3, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Jaibones and Janos will have to mark Peggy off their top ten list of PILFs.
Bradky on September 3, 2008 at 6:36 PM
The massive influx of $$$ into the McCain/Repub coffers says otherwise, Roger.
Patrick S on September 3, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Oh my, I feel like an idiot too. And does Mike Murphy really think that or he is just sucking up to Noonan the way everyone does when they go on MSNBC.
Moxie on September 3, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Liebs is hardcore left except for the war. And yeah, Tucker supports RP, but he’s a libertarian, not one of the crazies that we associate w/ RP. He loved Tancredo too, and he isn’t for a Iraq pullout or a Truther. He is a hard core small gov guy though.
Spirit of 1776 on September 3, 2008 at 6:37 PM
“Apparently you didn’t read the surrounding details… guy is friends with the trooper in that God-awful scandal… “Troopergate”.
CC”
Apparently, you havent read my post very clearly. I said IF the allegation is true. I didnt say it WAS true. I hope that it isnt true. But the Edwards story WAS true and many people with reflect on the fact that the recent Edwards allegation panned out. So, the timing is unfortunate. That was my point. You friggin Palin supporters are losing it…fast. HA HA!
Roger Waters on September 3, 2008 at 6:37 PM
I hate the media. I just feel sick. People, we are one step away from living in a Nazi state. “we well tell you all that you need to know”. Sheeeeet. I knew that dopey Peggy Noonan was trouble, I wonder what color the sky is in her world.
anniekc on September 3, 2008 at 6:37 PM
This is worthy of it’s own thread (the topic). I disagree with you MadisonConservative. I think you are in equal poor taste in attacking the other poster based on your moral-card baiting. I am no fan of Buchanan mind you, but I am less of a fan of people who take morally volatile issues as shields of righteousness to stifle others. Which is what you are doing.
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Considering the “fatuous suck-uppery” video from the other day, and considering the state of things at MSNBC, you’ve got to think that the video leaker’s might have been the near enemy – Noonan, Murphy, other “conservatives” at MSNBC – rather than the far one. Regardless of the intention, it’s mMuch, much more harmful to Noonan and Murphy, personally and professionally, than to McCain and Palin politically and electorally. It’ll be interesting to see whether the former two feel compelled to reply somehow, and whether MSNBC will be forced to let them do so.
Not that it’s worth thinking about very muchy, but I’ll also say it would be helpful to know exactly when this tape was made, and to hear a little more about what the two really thought they were saying and think now. Krauthammer, for instance, has gone from his kneejerk reaction (”near-suicidal”) to something much more thoughtful.
CK MacLeod on September 3, 2008 at 6:40 PM
And I care what Peggy Noonan thinks….WHY?
tgharris on September 3, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Haven’t lost anything….. but I think I did flush out the person I was referring to in an earlier post in this thread…
CC
CapedConservative on September 3, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Nice Godwin there ann.
Nice playing of the victim card.
alphie on September 3, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Go ahead and buy some Intrade stock that Palin will be dropped and that McCain will lose. Go right ahead.
Easy money, right?
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Noonan is the last person in the world who should be throwing stones at other political insiders for pushing “bullshit about narratives.”
calbear on September 3, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Peggy has lost a lot of credibility recently, guess she hasn’t right’d herself yet.
Speakup on September 3, 2008 at 6:43 PM
I haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. Who, exactly, am I stifling? The guy who called Hitler courageous, or the guy calling me every name in the book?
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 6:43 PM
What bearing does that have on anything?
Elizabetty on September 3, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Hmmmnn…In that stream of consciousness-style column of Noonan’s this morning I detect some conflicting feelings. Acknowledging that she is a “bubblehead” out of touch with smalltown America tells me she knows that she’s a snob. I guess that those repressed feelings just popped up on open mic. Palin’s problem with people like these is that she’s just hasn’t sucked-up to the party elders and Washington insiders, “paid her dues” perhaps, the naughty little hick.
I notice that the wannabe sophisticates in my liberal town (Austin) are at great pains to distance themselves from the “rednecks” here in Texas. As a non-white foreigner (with a posh British accent, haha) I find that both telling and amusing.
Fortunata on September 3, 2008 at 6:44 PM
OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM THE ENQUIRER AFTER THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN THREATENED LEGAL ACTION:
“The National Enquirer’s coverage of a vicious war within Sarah Palin’s extended family includes several newsworthy revelations, including the resulting incredible charge of an affair plus details of family strife when the Governor’s daughter revealed her pregnancy. Following our John Edwards’ exclusives, our political reporting has obviously proven to be more detail-oriented than the McCain campaign’s vetting process. Despite the McCain camp’s attempts to control press coverage they find unfavorable, The Enquirer will continue to pursue news on both sides of the political spectrum.”
“more detail-oriented than the McCain campaign’s vetting process”
HA HA HA!!! Can you say….OWNED!!!
Roger Waters on September 3, 2008 at 6:44 PM
You, sir, are far too credulous.
Slublog on September 3, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Madison Conservative calling Pat Buchanan a “nazi sympathizer” says MUCH more about Madison Conservative than it does about Pat Buchanan.
What a total jerk.
Roger Waters on September 3, 2008 at 6:46 PM
All right, I grant you that my comparison was inaccurate. Shall we say less conservative than McCain?
As for Tucker, a lot of Ron Paul supporters like Hunter, Tancredo, and Thompson. However, when the guy is the headliner of a Ron Paul convention, I get very suspicious about his real leanings. MSNBC doesn’t seem to like hiring conservatives that don’t shoot themselves in the foot.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Well, slu
The Republican’s anti-intellectualism has turned their base in a group that believes what’s in the National Enquirer more than what’s in the NYT.
Those who live by the idiot sword…
alphie on September 3, 2008 at 6:47 PM
So you’re not even going to attempt to address the actual things Buchanan has said that back up the label that I, among many conservatives including many on this site, have attributed to him?
Then be gutless. I won’t bother you further.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 6:47 PM
“anti-intellectualism has turned their base in a group that believes what’s in the National Enquirer more than what’s in the NYT”
I would be willing to bet that the Enquirer gets it right more often than the Lib’s favorite voice, the NY Times.
Roger Waters on September 3, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Typical attitude from the press. “We didn’t approve her in advance, therefore it’s a cynical move.”
I don’t listen to them much, anyway. If they agree with me, they’re right. If not, they’re wrong. I don’t look to them for guidance.
jaime on September 3, 2008 at 6:49 PM
So Noonan thinks that they’ve gone after the “narrative”. I hope not, but if so then it is BS. I hate that frickin’ word.
And they do suck at imitating Demos. The sooner they stop trying to imitate Demos the better. Enough of this reaching across the aisle BS.
If JMac picked her because she “mavericky” then it’s a BS pick too. Somehow I think they picked her for more than one reason, if not, then we’re toast anyhow.
rockhead on September 3, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Enquirer: Space Aliens Visit Reagan
Enquirer: Space Aliens Visit Bush
Enquirer: Space Aliens Give Clinton BJ
Enquirer: Space Aliens Visit W
Enquirer: John Edwards Has Affair
Enquirer: Space Aliens Help Obama Read Teleprompter
Enquirer: Palin Has Affair
Like the man said… show us your Intrade receipt.
CC
CapedConservative on September 3, 2008 at 6:49 PM
I don’t know Joe as well as Tucker, so yeah, I’ll take moderate Republican. I didn’t follow his career until after the fact, so the coverage is…um, not always to be believed.
As to Tucker, MSNBC fired him. Mostly for challenging the stupid-ass anti-Bush guests. But he is a straight shooter. It’s not like they brought him in as a KO conservative. He sure isn’t that. He is a very smart guy who understands the inner gears in Washington.
Don’t forget Joe and Tucker are the ones that made the McCain commerical: the 9th grade love one – they mock the cult of personality.
Spirit of 1776 on September 3, 2008 at 6:49 PM
“So you’re not even going to attempt to address the actual things Buchanan has said that back up the label that I, among many conservatives including many on this site, have attributed to him?
Then be gutless. I won’t bother you further.”
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Oh I see. So, its incumbant on me to prove you wrong when you call somebody a nazi sympathizer without proof. Shut up man. You sound real stupid.
Roger Waters on September 3, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Not surprised one bit. Her career has been built on writing speeches. She’s a pro on writing anything, she made Reagan look great. Why would you believe or care about her columns?
She’s a talented writer, that’s all and I hope this gets out there and more people know about what she said. What a great career she’s had, let it be over for her too, if she can’t write what she really feels. Who needs to read her columns if they are lies, we have enough of that going on as it is.
Conservatives R Us on September 3, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Well, Roger,
McCain’s cheatin’ ways already has the “Christian” right defending adultery.
One more bit of diddling from the ticket shouldn’t be a problem for them.
alphie on September 3, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Hey Caped Conservative, you have the enquirer mixed up with some other rag. I believe there accuracy rate is in the high 80’s.
I hope its not true…and I hate to always be in the position of fighting with people that I will likely vote with…but stupidity is stupidity.
Roger Waters on September 3, 2008 at 6:51 PM
I’m not sure what Noonan said qualifies her earlier comments as lying to her readers, Allah.
I read her piece as saying that Palin could be a brilliant pick or a stupid one and, without answering that question, reflecting on why it might be a brilliant one. She doesn’t spell out her reservations, but I could tell they were there (she said something about how McCain should see to it that Palin has some A list advisors).
I’m sure Noonan and Murphy are hoping that Palin hits it out of the park tonight, but they’re also aware, and how could they not be, that Palin’s selection carries a lot of risk and smacks of identity politics. Until we know more about her, there isn’t much to do except hope McCain knows something about Palin that isn’t reflected on her resume.
And if hoping doesn’t work, there’s always that paper bag.
Infidoll on September 3, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Sad. But Sarah will succeed.
Bye Peggy. No one will listen to you again.
WisCon on September 3, 2008 at 6:52 PM
Link please… I can always be converted by evidence.
CC
CapedConservative on September 3, 2008 at 6:53 PM
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer woman.
I’ve never been able to abide the arch and pious Noonan, whom I’ve always considered a phony.
rrpjr on September 3, 2008 at 6:53 PM
What a shame.
I used to like Noonan until the past year where she seemed to be an Obama fan. She prides herself on her Catholism and she lauds Obama all the time.
Noonan has become a drive-by.
winged on September 3, 2008 at 6:54 PM
Ignore it. It thrives on attention, and it will lurk around til the wee hours if you let it.
As for Peggy: may be there be a thousand open mikes for such as her. I really don’t care if it’s a media dirty trick, it only identifies her as among those who feel threatened by such as Sarah Palin.
After all, how dare anyone not consider the opinions of the insiders — the elite — the prescient — the people who don’t know a g-d thing about mainstream America, but who nevertheless demand to have their opinions considered by the GOP! How dare they not!
And so, she and her fellow elitists will do all they can, with petty sniping, doubts and insinuations, to now prove that hell yes, they were right!
“The country? What? Who gives a damn? Do you know who I am?”
Nichevo on September 3, 2008 at 6:55 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buchanan#Israel_and_accusations_of_anti-Semitism
That’s for you, kid. Not interested in what you have to say about it.
You misunderstand. I’m not necessarily doubting the credentials of either. I’m merely saying that you don’t see William Safire or Chuck Krauthammer or Cal Thomas ever getting a job there for the reason that they’re unequivocally conservative. Not to say that they would lower themselves to a job there, but MSNBC seems to want conservatives with chinks in their armor. As you said, they fired Tucker, which I do attribute to probably his resistance to their attempts to break him down. The rest, though, capitulate enough to keep themselves going.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 6:55 PM
Dont have one…but I saw the statistic when the media was going after the enquirer’s story of Edwards’ affair. I know I read it multiple times.
If you dont want to believe it…and maybe its wrong…then go on believing that the Enquirer prints stories about space aliens visiting the president. I mean…that is absurd. They dont print stories like that.
Roger Waters on September 3, 2008 at 6:55 PM
Even Laura Ingraham worked there. People go through different employers. This hard core left swing is relatively recent.
Spirit of 1776 on September 3, 2008 at 6:58 PM
You seek to stifle Pat Buchanan by labeling him a Nazi sympathizer. I don’t agree with Mr. Buchanan at all, but I try to avoid flying a banner of Righteous Indignation by labeling him a Nazi sympathizer.
What has the Left done for the last 8 years? BushHitler! BushNazi! See?
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 6:58 PM
This is outstanding. Finally, to hear someone on TV say such things, and Peggy Noonan of all folks! Awesome.
I hear lots of cheers for Palin. I also hear a lot of folks saying, “leave her alone.” I’d like to ask, in what areas are we allowed to question Gov. Palin?
What about her immigration policies, or lack thereof?
What about her lack of experience in terms of foreign policy and military affairs? Don’t give me the typical fallacious answer that “well, she has more than Obama.” My toddler is more qualified to attend kindergarten than a newborn, but that doesn’t mean he’s qualified. I care not about Obama. Convince me, on her own merits, that she’s qualified in this area.
What about her philosophies in terms of state vs. federal gov’t roles? Taxation? Purpose of gov’t? Social security?
I’m not limited to voting either Democrat or Republican here, so don’t tell me that “she’s better than Obama.” I want to hear why she’s qualified for Vice President. So far, I’m not convinced.
Send_Me on September 3, 2008 at 6:59 PM
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Given that dilema, I will research their accuracy rate. They were considered right on Edwards after they had witnesses and photo evidence. Same standard should apply. If it’s true, we’ll know it. If not, we never will, so their smear has served the purpose….
CC
CapedConservative on September 3, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Her foreign policy experience? Well you must not have heard. Alaska borders Russia. That is her foreign policy experience.
Great job McCain. Great job
Roger Waters on September 3, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Peggy is going to be awfully lonely at the after party tonight.
EyesOpen on September 3, 2008 at 7:02 PM
I used to respect Peggy Noonan. That is all gone now.
whyme on September 3, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Was Hitler a nazi?
Okay, then. A Nazi admirer. And defender.
I call a spade a spade. I used to admire Buchanan a great deal. However, when he criticizes nearly every action the United States takes, including taking up the ever popular “9/11 was deserved” stance, it makes certain labels, like nazi sympathizer, seem more valid.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Oh Peggy… oh well…
Meanwhile, Ann Coulter’s new column is up at anncoulter.com… a great one in support of Sarah Palin. I particularly loved this line:
When liberals start acting like they’re opposed to pre-marital sex and mothers having careers, you know McCain’s vice presidential choice has knocked them back on their heels.
But at least liberal reporters had finally found someone their own size to pick on: a 17-year-old girl.
And then she closes with this:
It’s as if a basketball player made the winning shot in the last three seconds of the game and liberals demand that we have a week-long discussion about whether the player should have taken that shot. WHAT IF HE MISSED?
With Palin, McCain didn’t miss.
D2Boston on September 3, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Bingo. A debate–a discussion–on the issues. On policy. On governing. That is what we want. We want her to present herself and not spend all her available air time answering stupid accusations. The Left is desperate to keep her off real issues and on defense against their sexist and personal attacks.
If YOU (Send_Me) want to know about her, GO FIND OUT. Don’t wait for us, or anyone for that matter, to do your homework. Read up on her. Read up on Biden. You might like one or the other. But for God’s sake (umm, can I say that in America? God’s sake?) don’t wait for the media to do it for you.
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 7:06 PM
The only thing that this election campaign is providing is a stage for the political pundits to show their vapid, clamoring for attention.
This is all about, “listen to me! I am all knowing! If I say enough things, I’ll be right sooner or later and then I’ll be worshipped and praised and make a lot of money.
Peggy Noonen has always been an eye batter, willing to sleep with anyone who will give her the next paycheck. She’s been living on Reagan’s reputation for years and it’s time to put her on the garbage heap where all these schmucks will eventually end up.
Vince on September 3, 2008 at 7:08 PM
peggy’s been in the tank for Obama since 2007 at least. She hates Bush what else is news.
unseen on September 3, 2008 at 7:11 PM
Meow.
Except that Noonan’s claws are so in-twisted they only strike herself.
profitsbeard on September 3, 2008 at 7:11 PM
True enough, as did John Gibson.
The question is, can we get AllahPundit a show on there?
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 7:11 PM
By that logic, you’d figure that McCain would be all over the border security/illegal immigration issue since he’s from Arizona. I’m afraid most folks will need a little more convincing as to her foreign policy credentials besides the fact that her state happens to sit approx. 58 miles across the Bering Strait from Siberia.
Send_Me on September 3, 2008 at 7:11 PM
Enquirer: Space Aliens Visit Reagan
Enquirer: Space Aliens Visit Bush
Enquirer: Space Aliens Give Clinton BJ
Enquirer: Space Aliens Visit W
Enquirer: John Edwards Has Affair
Enquirer: Space Aliens Help Obama Read Teleprompter
Enquirer: Palin Has Affair
Enquirer: Space Aliens caught changing Roger Waters diapers.
Like the man said… show us your Intrade receipt.
CC
CapedConservative on September 3, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Fixed!
Roger, The National Enquirer is a bird cage liner on the spectrum of journalism credibility. Your “80% right” is a joke. Grow up and quote something reliable.
Rovin on September 3, 2008 at 7:11 PM
Noonan reminds me of an overaged Sorority sister.
Too precious for words…
TexasJew on September 3, 2008 at 7:12 PM
Sigh. You don’t get it…
I agree with everything Buchanan said about Hitler in your exerpt. Many people before us agreed too–and wrote about it.
Why can’t you see that someone can excel at something yet still be a complete monster. To note or acknowledge the things the monster does well (like, kill for example) is NOT To condone, endorse or appreciate it.
A well known and time proven maxim is to know your enemy. If you can’t honestly apprise what your enemy does well, then you are lost.
Buchanan simply noting what is TRUE about Hitler does not mean he ADMIRES Nazisim.
Let fall your banner Madison.
We’re way off topic here though–and I should reveal that I was in a similar position as Buchanan when I submitted a thesis idea to my Far Left Nutwing Professers in Grad School. They labeled me a slave-loving white capitalist. All I wanted to do was write a paper on the arguements for the South’s secession prior to the Civil War WITHOUT a focus on slavery (slavery focused works were, well, in abundance). I wanted to look at other aspects of secession and them apply them to today’s America (immigration changing the values, languages and allegiances, etc).
But, like you, the Department fixated on the EVIL or the South–and didn’t like that I might suggest that they made some good points OUTSIDE of slavery for secession.
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 7:13 PM
By the way – try to post something at the WSJ that says something negative about Noonan and it just goes away.
Onager on September 3, 2008 at 7:14 PM
eh, she rights decent stuff here and there, but she doesn’t determine who I vote for.
aikidoka on September 3, 2008 at 7:14 PM
OK, so now we’re going to elect our officials from publications that specialize in “Bigfoot Stole My Wife!”
Considering the unemployable idiots who tend to vote Democrat, that may be a winning strategy.
Now if they could only tie Sarah Palin together with crop circles…
TexasJew on September 3, 2008 at 7:16 PM
And I care what Peggy Noonan thinks….WHY?
tgharris on September 3, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Typical lying MSM spokesholes. Haven’t you noticed Murphy on Meet The Press? And Noonan writes for the ardent OPEN BORDERS ZEALOT, Chamber of Commerce, print media rag, the WSJ? As a Moderate Democrat, I’m telling you…WE HAVE THEM ON THE RUN!!!!! They are really pissed off about it too!!!! Should have had Anrea Mitchell and Katie Couric there too!!! What pieces of SHIT!!!!!
DfDeportation on September 3, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Nice Peggy. Quick hint on the TV thing. You are wearing a microphone. I have always appreciated your humor in your writing and what I thought was honesty. I appreciate your service to our nation and President Reagan and what you brought to that administration. Evidently you have been writing lies for awhile instead of stating what you really believe. Why not jump on the rest of the bandwagon of socialists on MSNBC if that is really the way you feel? At least Keith O. has the integrity, unlike you, to state what he really thinks – as misguided and incoherent as it is. How does it feel to have less integrity than Keith Olberman?
I’m done with you.
JeffinOrlando on September 3, 2008 at 7:18 PM
On the National Enquirer…
The MSM ignored and derided the Enquirer when John “My Little Pony” Edwards was on the front page. I am sure they will ignore anything the Enquirer writes about Conservatives.
Positive I am!
Why it’s only been a few weeks since the Edwards scandal, surely the MSM can’t flip flop so fast. Right?
Right?
Hello?
Why is everyone looking at me like that?
What???
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 7:18 PM
Good one TJ!
Rovin on September 3, 2008 at 7:19 PM
Conservative writers on MSNBC? And they say Juan “Z-Visa” McCain is cynical? ha ha ha
DfDeportation on September 3, 2008 at 7:19 PM
No, I get it perfectly. You’re focusing on my summation of Pat based on a number of them that he’s either defended or spoke admiringly of, as well as his isolationism towards WW2 and his support of America First people like Lindbergh.
That is my opinion, one that is not unique, and you don’t seem to like it. I still haven’t a clue what you mean by “moral-card baiting”. I was pointing out Pat Buchanan’s disalignment with modern conservatism, especially as a member of MSNBC. Even William F. Buckley grew tired of the guy.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 7:20 PM
And by the way, Hitler was anything but courageous. He fled into a bunker, bombed the crap out of his own people, and shot himself to avoid facing the music.
John McCain is a courageous man. Learn the difference.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 7:21 PM
Peggy Noonan has written too many wise things over the course of the last 20+ years to be dismissed out of hand. I think the key to understanding her view is the word narrative. She had a narrative in mind for this cycle years ago – she wrote a book against Hillary, if you’ll recall. Obama exploded that narrative and because of that, Noonan has a soft spot for Obama. So Obama’s narrative became the narrative to understand. Now that nasty Maverick has upset the applecart once again.
After Palin gives a good speech tonight, Peggy will apologize and turn around on what she said today. And when that happens, you can draw your own conclusions.
Mr. D on September 3, 2008 at 7:24 PM
Eh. This story doesn’t move me one way or the other. I never cared much for Noonan’s thoughts, to begin with.
Perhaps, something really good will come of this incident. Perhaps we won’t be subjected to that idiotic buzzword “narrative”. I don’t know where the media types found it, but I have grown so tired of its use (mostly abuse) that I can stand to see a few fall on the “narrative” petard, if that helps to end its use.
progressoverpeace on September 3, 2008 at 7:25 PM
After Palin gives a good speech tonight, Peggy will apologize and turn around on what she said today. And when that happens, you can draw your own conclusions.
Mr. D on September 3, 2008 at 7:24 PM
Sorry, I know them all too well!
DfDeportation on September 3, 2008 at 7:26 PM
Knock it off with your Righteous Indignation, and while you’re at it, go look up basic debate skills including such no-noes as Straw Man arguments.
You’re being petty. You must be breathing too many Madison vapors.
Oh wait, was I supposed to lie down and say “Oh I am so sorry, I am just a Nazi McCain hating rube. Please heal me oh Righteous One!”
Good grief. Debating you is far too much like debating a rabid Liberal.
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 7:26 PM
So much for debate. Speak your mind about the RNC’s next Reagan, and you get branded as a heretic. The only way I would respect Noonan more would be if she put pen to paper on it. Hannity/Rush and all of our “principled” conservative cheerleaders are going all-in with Mac, and any dissent is sexist, amateurish, boorish, or elitist. Not all conservatives buy the hype.
Cold Steel on September 3, 2008 at 7:26 PM
No issues here.
Well, there’s one problem: she hasn’t published her position yet on these issues. That is my point. I guess I don’t understand the fascination about her. I don’t care that she’s a woman, a Mom of 5, has a pregnant daughter, or anything besides her credentials for becoming president. She’s pro-life. Good stuff. She hunts/fishes. That’s fine, so do I, but what has she done to fight for 2nd Amendment rights as a statesman? According to the NRA, of which she’s a life-time member, she signed a legal brief to the SOTUS during the Heller case, and that’s it. Signing a legal brief, while important, isn’t all that much. She’s fought corruption. Sounds good to me. Now, if she has put information out there on the issues I listed, great, please, share the wealth of knowledge with all. I’ve shared links on here for others, and I’ve appreciated any links people have posted as well.
I’m not here to disrespect her or her followers and supporters. I’m just wondering that if a person calls themselves a “conservative”, then wouldn’t it be prudent to get answers to such questions before giving $7+ million in support? That’s all I’m trying to say.
Send_Me on September 3, 2008 at 7:27 PM
I stopped reading and listening to Noonan when she turned on Bush. She is not a person of integrity at all, she just uses conservatives and her contacts in journalism to make money.
Terrye on September 3, 2008 at 7:27 PM
And when The Dali Bama is on The Factor, either watch “Z-Visa’s” speech or the Giants vs. Redskins league opener…Don’t watch The Dali Bama, especially now that he’s breaking his pledge to not go on FOX!
DfDeportation on September 3, 2008 at 7:27 PM
“I’m afraid most folks will need a little more convincing as to her foreign policy credentials besides the fact that her state happens to sit approx. 58 miles across the Bering Strait from Siberia.”
Send_Me on September 3, 2008 at 7:11 PM
I totally agree with you Send_Me, I was being sarcastic.
Nice job kicking MadisonCommunist’s ass, Montana. I wouldnt spend too much time rebutting the fool though. He cant learn, he is a bigot…and pretty damn dumb.
Roger Waters on September 3, 2008 at 7:28 PM
Unless she can figger a way to ‘nuance’ her way out of this, it’s gonna hurt her bad.
petefrt on September 3, 2008 at 7:29 PM
The left is going to have a field day with this. Thanks Peggy. I am so dissapointed right now.
Zetterson on September 3, 2008 at 7:30 PM
Now I know how much it must have sucked for libtards when Geraldine Ferraro (D) and Joe Lieberman (D) came over to our side!
They can have Noonan. No loss.
jeff_from_mpls on September 3, 2008 at 7:30 PM
Fine. You’re a rabid Buchanan supporter who refuses to address what he said because you agree wholeheartedly with it, and do not address Hitler’s actions during the war, the America First movement, or any of his history of anti-semitic remarks pointed out by one of the fathers of conservatism, William Buckley.
I wish you’d have just said that at the beginning.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 7:30 PM
This is going to kill Peggy Noonan. Unfortunately it will also hurt Sarah Palin. This is going to prove to be a horrible mistake.
Zetterson on September 3, 2008 at 7:31 PM
ninjapirate on September 3, 2008 at 6:17 PM
You have to admit every time you read a future column you will wonder who she is pandering to at any given moment. Although she is a beautiful writer I have a little trouble watching her live because she is so affected but that’s a me thing. And she has been really hard on W so for me she has used up any credit she had for writing the Challenger speech for Pres. Reagan. Besides, she said he knew and wanted to include the line everybody remembers best.
Cindy Munford on September 3, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Well, here is my fascination (yes, subject to change if I find out more I do not like):
1. Her record in Alaska as I understand it
2. Her open Pro-Life stance
3. She hunts (yes that is impressive to me and though I am sure many see hunting as a throwback or a “cowboy hat trick” it shows an appreciation of 1) guns, 2 ) gun discipline, 3) self sufficiency, 4) getting dirty (quartering an moose in the back country—ugh!)
4. Her decision to keep her special needs child
5. I can identify with her. I cannot identify with a Joe Biden (except the longwinded part)
Hope that helps.
I personally think it’s ok to be excited about things in life–about candidates, about a new job, about a child, about a new day.
I chose optimism and hope (not Barack Hope…)
Does she have a downside? I sure hope so. If she doesn’t, my fifth point above goes poof.
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 7:32 PM
Apparently you didn’t look up Straw Man.
Can’t help you any further.
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 7:34 PM
Send_Me on September 3, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Shhh, didn’t you hear, she’s one of our own? You won’t be a “Great American” unless you show a little more giddiness on this.
Cold Steel on September 3, 2008 at 7:34 PM
ANOTHER SCANDAL FOR PALIN?!?!?!?!?!
Gov. Sarah Palin is already facing ethical questions over her firing of the Alaska public safety commissioner, and now she faces questions over the firing of a longtime local police chief.
New reports raise questions about the firing of a local police chief.
After taking over as Mayor of the small town of Wasilla, Palin fired the longtime local police chief. The former police chief, Irl Stambaugh says he was fired because he stepped on the toes of Palin’s campaign contributors, including bar owners and the National Rifle Association.
Stambaugh’s lawyer, William Jermain, says the chief tried to move up the closing hours of local bars from 5 a.m. to two a.m. after a spurt of drunk driving accidents and arrests.
“His crackdown on that practice by the bars was not appreciated by her and that was one reason she terminated Irl,” said Jermain.
PALIN IS TOAST!!!! Sad, very funny, but very sad and very bad for our country.
Roger Waters on September 3, 2008 at 7:34 PM
Pick up that Intrade stock, yet? Or are you too busy thinking up more names and avoiding the link I gave you?
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 7:34 PM
Sorry, my mistake. I didn’t catch it :)
Send_Me on September 3, 2008 at 7:36 PM
Unless she can figger a way to ‘nuance’ her way out of this, it’s gonna hurt her bad.
petefrt on September 3, 2008 at 7:29 PM
Naw! This shouldn’t hurt Sarah Palin at all. Us Middle Americans enjoy the fact that she’s shaking them up BIG TIME! The MSM spokesholes hate the fact that somebody like her even exists!!!!
DfDeportation on September 3, 2008 at 7:37 PM
Sure thing Madison, sure thing. I have read all of Pat’s books and most of his articles and have seen him on numerous shows. I know how Pat feels about America and how he feels about Nazism. You, on the other hand, have ZERO credibility with me and I dont wish to debate with you any further.
Montana is correct, you use sleazy debate tactics like straw men, etc….liberals do that well.
Roger Waters on September 3, 2008 at 7:38 PM
lol
Not bad, Montana.
Send_Me on September 3, 2008 at 7:40 PM
I think Peggy will come out and refresh our memory when Reagan had his hot mike screw up that sent the libs into orbit (remember). She’ll try to equate that with her faux pas ( a nice elitist term). It won’t work for me- just sayin’. Peggy you are not Reagan.
Fuquay Steve on September 3, 2008 at 7:41 PM
Best news since I read the Palin speech excerpts.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 7:41 PM
Roger, notice anything in that article you cut and copied? Only one view point. Two sides to every story.
Field test: Go find 10 people who got fired, get their opinion on their firing. Count how many state it was their own fault.
Every town, no matter the size, has it’s politics, it’s grudges.
Every person who’s been fired blames the boss. It’s human nature.
And well, if Sarah Palin actually fired someone, well, that is proof of executive experience right there! It is one of the hardest things to do–fire someone. For personal, social, economic, legal and moral purposes. Very hard.
How’s that research on Straw Man arguments goin’ pally?
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 7:41 PM
well, I hope you are right Montana…I have my suspicions.
Roger Waters on September 3, 2008 at 7:43 PM
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