Awful: Peggy Noonan, Mike Murphy caught on open mike about Palin
posted at 5:16 pm on September 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I wonder how this little interstitial made its way from MSNBC to TPM. Oh well. Fox nailed Jesse Jackson talking about Obama this way, so turnabout’s fair play.
Simply awful, not only for Palin as a vote of no confidence (“it’s over”) ahead of the big speech from someone respected on the right but for Noonan herself as evidence that she lies to her readers. Remember, the column this morning that I stupidly praised was all about how compelling Palin’s narrative is and how dangerous it might prove to the left. See for yourself what she really thinks of the narrative approach. She also says, “Gut: The Sarah Palin choice is really going to work, or really not going to work.” You’ll see that nuance somewhat refined here too.
I’m sending you to Politico to watch it because it’s a little hard to decipher what’s being said and they have a transcript. Exit quotation from Noonan’s op-ed: “Palin’s friends should be less immediately worried about what the Obama campaign will do to her than what the McCain campaign will do.” Or what Republican pundits will do, I guess. Click the image to watch.
Update: Noonan updates at the Journal to say she was taken out of context.
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How is it straw man when you yourself said you agree wholeheartedly with him?
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 7:45 PM
Double-standard and phoniness on Noonan’s part aside. That hag just killed us! Not only did she and Murphy screw up, they did it on the worst possible channel!!! Think of how much playback this is going to receive. Good timing Peggy!
ayrab on September 3, 2008 at 7:45 PM
If only Obama had fired Wright, Rezco, Ayres, Pfleger, etc. sooner rather than later.
aikidoka on September 3, 2008 at 7:46 PM
ayrab:
Most people do not know who Noonan is, nor do they care what she says. and the vast majority of people do not watch MSNBC.
I have been saying for a long time that Noonan is no friend to the Republican party.
Terrye on September 3, 2008 at 7:48 PM
I give up on you.
I know, you’re crushed. It’s ok.
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 7:52 PM
I saw her very often in editorial sections. Or are you meaning most people who are not political junkies?
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 7:52 PM
I agree.
Send_Me on September 3, 2008 at 7:53 PM
Waters:
I think you are the one who is toast.
Terrye on September 3, 2008 at 7:53 PM
In her article this morning, she mentioned that at her advanced age, her idea of “younger” had changed. I wonder if her advanced age some other problems with her thinking…period…
golfer1 on September 3, 2008 at 7:54 PM
In her article this morning, she mentioned that at her advanced age, her idea of “younger” had changed. I wonder if her advanced age caused some other problems with her thinking…period…
golfer1 on September 3, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Cold Steel:
Noonan has not had a handful of positive things to say about any conservative in office or running for office for years. Decades ago she might have written some speeches for Reagan, but once he was gone she was on her own. She said that George Bush singlehandedly destroyed the Republican party. She wussed out on the war. She wrote one column where she acted like some pissy little brat because she had to go through airport security. {after all, don’t the peasants know who she is??}
Now there is a new woman and on the scene and it is very doubtful that McCain ran his decision past her so she is being obnoxious about it.
Terrye on September 3, 2008 at 7:57 PM
There’s nothing wrong with Noonan’s opinion. However, she did put something on paper: the opposite opinion. If she’s going to write one thing and believe another, then she’s going to lose respect.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Send_Me:
If you want to help elect Obama just say so, don’t get all pissed off because other Republicans do not want to help you complain and moan about their ticket.
Terrye on September 3, 2008 at 7:59 PM
In her column she stressed that she and her colleagues live in a bubble, they realize its limits, but always forget that even as they continually remind themselves.
((((((((((( Illustrated. )))))))))))))))))))))
silverfox on September 3, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Madison Conservative:
This is true, but since Noonan writes socalled conservative commentary for a living she can not be honest and sell her stuff. That would mean a lack of income for Nancy, and money and influence is what this is about.
Terrye on September 3, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Send_Me on September 3, 2008 at 7:53 PM
I love Hannity’s over the top celebration of Palin juxtaposed with his conservative meltdown after the early primaries. Many principled-conservative pundits are swallowing McCain’s hype, in abject hypocrisy. What about Clinton’s triangulation Rush? It’s ok that McCain’s now playing “the game?” Again, “our” pick goes from Juan McVain to John the Revelator in less than a week. Who’s following polls now, Rush?
Cold Steel on September 3, 2008 at 8:01 PM
That was one of my first points…then a few comments later, here comes Madison, stumbling across the playing field, over-sized and over-stuffed Straw Man in tow…
See Madison? Ahem…what I said is that I agree with what Buchanan wrote about Hitler in the exerpt you provided. Hitler had talent–later on he lost it (much conjecture on why, syphilis, mental disorder, nervous breakdown, who knows). 1000’s of historians agree with that…and I covered the difference between agreeing that assessment versus endorising Nazism in another comment–one you just happened to ignore….
Now here comes your Straw Man argument…
Madison: AHAH! I got you! You agree with Buchanan! Buchanan admires Hitler and Nazis! Therefore YOU Montana are a NAZI!
(the above is also know as “Liberal Algebra”)
Montana: Mkay…Madison, you do realize you aren’t at the DailyKOS, right? Yaaaa….mkay, I’m gunna sorta kinda hafta leave you alone now…stay away from sharp objects, mkay? Yaaaa….
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Cold Steel:
Maybe they want the Republicans to win the elections, there is nothing wrong with that. They should not have to constantly attack McCain just to appease sore losers out there who can not get over the fact that their guy did not win the damn primary.
Terrye on September 3, 2008 at 8:03 PM
We have several of them on the site and they are decent, intelligent, tolerant posters. I’m hoping this guy isn’t one. Paulnut, maybe?
a capella on September 3, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Cold STeel:
McCAin’s hype??? So this is all hype? What the hell do you want? I mean really.
Terrye on September 3, 2008 at 8:04 PM
I don’t really care if Peggy is on the team or not. I can read an intelligent critique of a candidate I support (or praise of a candidate I don’t) without getting anxiety attacks. In the final analysis, I will make up my own mind. I just want to know what Noonan really thinks. Whether she was lying in the article she wrote for WSJ or is lying on the open mike to her liberal colleagues, either way it damages her credibility or at least her integrity. But ultimately the story is about Palin, not Noonan.
I happen to think she got the story right in the WSJ. If she doesn’t actually believe it, more’s the pity, but that doesn’t prevent me from touting that way of looking at Palin’s candidacy. And much of what she says about the MSM in that article is worth remembering, even if she doesn’t actually believe Palin has a chance to win.
If she does think that McCain picked Palin for essentially cynical reasons, that is all the more reason to heed the advice in her final paragraph:
This is actually what happened to Dan Quayle. Bush, Sr. was trying to maintain the image of being above partisan squabbling so he never defended Quayle from all the media’s attacks. Palin looks like she can take care of herself, but remember: before 1992 Quayle never lost an election and he only lost that because of Bush’s broken “no new taxes” promise. He goes into this in his book Standing Firm.
So, whatever we think of Noonan’s duplicity, I think we can trust her advice if not her motives. And bear in mind, most of us were not all that thrilled with McCain himself a few weeks ago, so it isn’t quite fair to criticize Noonan, a long-standing advocate of conservative thought, for suggesting that his pick might have been cynical. I think it might very well have been, but I’m willing to put up with it if it gets Sarah Palin a foot in the White House door.
JackOfClubs on September 3, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Good work Montana. Hide your head in shame Madison
Pat Buchanan a nazi symp? Have you no shame?
Roger Waters on September 3, 2008 at 8:05 PM
I never called you a Nazi, nor made any implication of it. Maybe you should look up Straw Man.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 8:05 PM
This from the guy who’s responded to me with nothing but insults and name-calling. Very rich.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Sooner or later you have to decide if you want Obama or McCain to win. And I think it is insulting and totally uncalled for to assume that everything McCain says is hype just because he was not your first choice. I don’t think Romney was full of it. I would have supported him. I would not have dismissed his campaign as hype and then sit about complaining about him for months after the primaries were over.
It is silly and counter productive.
Terrye on September 3, 2008 at 8:07 PM
what is calling somebody a nazi sympathizer? Is that “name calling”????
duh
Roger Waters on September 3, 2008 at 8:07 PM
I have been anti-Noonan since the campaign began – she was just too effusive about BO and also her writing style can be likened to being trapped in a cloud of cloying “old lady” perfume. It smothers. I don’t care for her opinion at all and I hope after today, she is through.
HawaiiLwyr on September 3, 2008 at 8:08 PM
A thousand points of dumb. Isn’t she almost 60?
Here’s what her high school pal thinks of herhttp://www.zianet.com/Insightanalytical/peggy.htm
flyoverland on September 3, 2008 at 8:09 PM
jack:
You can not trust anything Noonan says. And what is that crap about McCain being stupid? He is not the one yakking with the mike on. It seems to me that McCain is trying to defend Palin, but then again Palin is a big girl. She does not need to be patronized by some back stabbing opinion pimp and she does not need to be coddled by McCain.
Terrye on September 3, 2008 at 8:11 PM
HawaiiLyr:
Me too.
Terrye on September 3, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Yep.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Here’s Peggy Noonan’s explanation of her comments on the Open Mic.
Michael in MI on September 3, 2008 at 8:13 PM
I don’t know if it’s been posted previously, but here is Noonan’s explanation:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/declarations.html
Marcus on September 3, 2008 at 8:13 PM
JackOfClubs on September 3, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Great post, Jack.
Michael in MI on September 3, 2008 at 8:15 PM
You’ve labeled Buchanan a Nazi admirer–and a few other Nazi things…
Then you write this:
Now…you wrote the above despite me writing just MINUTES before, that I disagree with pretty much everything Buchanan stands for…
So, to recap:
You claim Buchanan is a Nazi (and you link wikipedia to prove it, heh)
You claim I am a Buchanan supporter (despite the obvious truth that I am not–it’s just convenient to your argument)
So, if Buchanan is a Nazi and I support Buchanan, then I am a Nazi, and all Liberals like you know…labeling someone a Nazi wins the argument! You win! Hurray!
To top things off, you then claim:
Oh you are indeed the gift that keeps giving Madison.
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 8:15 PM
CH, I don’t know what your particular belly-ache is, but I just scanned the entire thread, and you’re moaning all over it.
Are we supposed to forget how obnoxious you, as a McCain supporter, was during the primaries? That’s your gig (or maybe job, who knows?). OK. We’re stuck with him. But don’t expect everyone to genuflect to McCain, dude — he is not well-loved by all, but mostly tolerated by some because the alternative is abysmal. And that, I suspect, is what is twisting your knickers.
If it offends you, get a gig elsewhere. Otherwise, deal with it.
Nichevo on September 3, 2008 at 8:17 PM
I recently started watching MSNBC in between commercials just because they are so freakin’ horrible. Even their technical crews suck. It’s pretty funny.
Geronimo on September 3, 2008 at 8:19 PM
MSNBC has the same strategy of popular B movie films…and just like those films, MSNBC is at first unaware of it, then embraces it for all it’s worth.
I present to you the B Movie cult hits: TROLLS, SWAMP THING, and the TOXIC AVENGER.
MSNBC, the Toxic Avenger of News!
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Nazi sympathizer. Feel free to continue the straw man, though.
Now you’re looking up conflation. I say what I mean, and I mean what I say. You’re the one vehemently defending Buchanan. If you consider yourself, like Roger Drip over there, to be Pat Buchanan, then you can take any comments I’ve ever made about him to apply to you, even when I had no clue you existed. If you don’t, then maybe you should not take my educated opinion about a public political pundit personally.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 8:28 PM
http://www.mikefrancesa.com/wordpress/?p=1027
Hilarious, these pundits are paid to give their opinion, yet they even lie about their opinions, they say one thing on the air and the opposite off the air, they write one view in their editorials but have a different view in private.
This just confirms my view that most of these pundits are disingenuous blowhards. I don’t get it, why don’t you reveal your true opinions on the air, but this also proves another point, most of these pundits are not conservative or liberal, they are Washington, they are elite, they are about making money while the middle class gets screwed and nothing gets done in Washington. Few of them actually shake things up and hold our politicians accountable, they are more concerned with their own celebrity and getting invited to the right cocktail parties. Peggy Noonan is the epitome of the blowhard Washington D.C. phony media:
War69DotCom on September 3, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Oh my oh my…
Here you go again! You keep pecking the RED button! Peck the GREEN one Madison, the GREEN!
A summary of what you just did:
1. Call a man a Nazi sympathizer versus a Nazi and think there is enough to matter.
2. Falsely claim I “vehemently” defend Buchanan when I have reiterated SEVERAL times that I disagree with almost everything the man says and stands for–and you persist in ignoring that! But hey, it’s fun to make Straw Men!
3. You acccuse people of name calling…then, umm, you name call: “If you consider yourself, like Roger Drip over there..”
Then, laughably, you elevate yourself in your own mind by noting you never knew existed–as I needed you to acknowledge my existing to feel completed. Oh how Jerry McGuireish!
And for the finishing move…you make an unnecessary allusion to your “educated opinion”.
Oh my! My best guess as to your career is: Liberal University Professor at the University there in Madison, WI.
I’ll cede the last comment to you so we stop abusing HotAir space. Heh. I can’t wait for your next logical fallacy.
It’s been great!
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Almost every thread is cloged up by this dipshit named madison conservtive harrasing another poster.
I see something about Peggy noonan and start reading and thread after thread is you arguing with someone about Pat B.
Take it elsewhere.
Can’t we get this troll banned
kangjie on September 3, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Why is anybody suprised that Noonan would say something like that? This is the woman who, on Fox News, gave a glowing review of President Bush’s second inaugual addess only to bash him mercilessly the next day in her column. She’s been a two faced hack speaking out of both sides of her mouth for her entire public career, this should not be suprising.
srhoades on September 3, 2008 at 8:49 PM
If that’s your best guess, then you really haven’t a clue. If you haven’t been here that long, or paid attention to my comments, I could see how you could come to that. However, making two people get their panties in a bunch by calling Pat Buchanan what many other posters here have doesn’t really phase me, especially when one of them complains about straw man when using straw man themselves.
Have fun.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 8:50 PM
The problem that Peggy Noonen has is that everytime she speaks and every time she writes, she tries to come up with something lyrical for the ages. It gets annoying after a while, and it probably explains why she gets “taken out of context”.
gary fouse
fousesquawk
gary fouse on September 3, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Oh, look. Another Pat acolyte.
I can’t wait till the dregs of open registration move on back to Stormfront or wherever they came from.
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 8:52 PM
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 8:52 PM
More name calling…sheesh! And this Madison fellow has labeled yet another of his detractors as a Nazi sympathizer!
STOP ALREADY!! Hah! My house is full of your presents Madison. It’s just too much!
And more elitism from Madison too! This is just too good!
Hurray for ! marks !!!
How dare anyone disagree with the One! The Madison!
Sorry all, I just…I just couldn’t help but respond. This is like passing a train wreck…you can’t help but look. You know you shouldn’t…but you do.
Apologies to the HotAir staff!
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 8:57 PM
Doesn’t anybody enforce the terms of use on this site.
I mean this guy madisonthumbsucker just ruins every single thread by harrasing people.
It makes this site unreadable at times
kangjie on September 3, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Obama could possibly be the worst candidate for President in our history, but he doesn’t concern me at the moment. I’m merely asking so-called “conservatives” to stay consistent. Conservatives have disliked him for years based upon principle. Now they’re fawning over him because of his Gov. Palin choice. What gives? As I say, I’m not attached to the hip of the Republican Party. I’ll have no part in voting for McCain due to his stance on free speech, gun rights, embryonic stem cell research/abortion, his embracing of Sandra Day O’Connor, voting to confirm Breyer and Ginsburg, border security/immigration, among other things. If this means that Obama may win, fine. He’ll do less damage to the country than McCain will. I know, you’re thinking “WHAT?! How can you say that?” Here’s why:
McCain, with his moderate Democrat ideas, will change the, message, direction and face of the Republican party. His policies will not help the country, and Republicans will take the blame. Given the above policies/actions, do we really think that McCain will be good for the country? Republicans will lose more seats in Congress in 2010 and 2012 because of his failures, not to mention, almost assuredly, lose the White House to Obama (or Hillary). Joseph Farah has even written a book on this very idea. I don’t think he’s too far off the mark.
What am I doing? Rather than ingratiate myself to a failure of candidates in both parties, I’m going to help send a message to both parties by voting for a man more along the lines of what I believe. Duncan Hunter maybe? Fred Thompson? (I’m waiting until 2012 for Gov. Jindal.) I’m also doing what I can to affect the REAL race this fall: the Congressional races. If “conservatives” can take Congress, then that’s a big dent in the potential negative impact that either Obama or McCain could have. Did you know that Dick Durbin is up for reelection, for example? The Congressional race is the real race, but it’s also the race that gets little to no attention.
Send_Me on September 3, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Well, well, well. The great “wordsmith” reduced to a beer swilling pool hall girl once the cameras were thought to be off. She not only slams Sarah Palin but is an elitist back stabber in the process.
Looks like we are seeing the real Noonan. The one the fellow elitists see at the cocktail parties.
I won’t bother reading her columns if they show up on RCP.
revolution on September 3, 2008 at 9:20 PM
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/03/larry-king-live-jesse-ventura-actor-d-l-hugley-call-republicans-
Above link demonstrates the tried-and-true: You’re a NAZI! tactic.
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 9:24 PM
I noticed you stopped claiming straw man. Hard to do that when you do it yourself, eh?
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Send_ME:
Let me clue you in on something that seems to escape you: this is the Republican party and John McCain is the Republican nominee, because Republicans supported him in the primaries. Conservatives apparently could not stop sniping at each other long enough to come up with a viable alternative. If we all have to stay consistent when the election comes around, then that means that we can only vote for and support the guy we were most interested in during the primaries. It seems that Romney supporters expected McCain supporters to forget consistency and vote for Romney if he got the nomination, the same would be true with everyone else running.
This is politics, it is how it works. If however, conservatives do not want to support the Republican nominee then why would you expect other Republicans to support the conservative nominee.
I don’t much like guys like Hannity. I think O’Reilley is a blow hard. But I do not want to see the Republican party turned into some little fringe of conservative purists doomed to be a minority forever. I am sure the Democrats would like that idea, but not me.
Terrye on September 3, 2008 at 9:36 PM
And Sen_Me, if you can not deign to vote for McCain because he is just not up to snuff as far as you are concerned, then remember that when Obama wins. You and people like you helped make it happen. But do what you want. Just let other people support who they want without giving them hell for failing to be as pure and true to the cause as yourself.
Terrye on September 3, 2008 at 9:40 PM
I notice you never once addressed the valid points of any of my posts, or of any others posters.
Montana on September 3, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Which one? The one where I was moral card-baiting, or the one where I was just “dumb”? Or was it “stupid”?
MadisonConservative on September 3, 2008 at 9:47 PM
My goodness,
Rudy is carving Barack up in his speech.
Rem meat with the blood dripping
kangjie on September 3, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Your all three. You are the David Gergen of hotair
kangjie on September 3, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Man I hope you guys are catching the Rudy speech.
Kickin booty, take no prisoners kind of speech
Can’t wait to hear MSNBC guys after this
kangjie on September 3, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Got to give a Rudy the AG spot when Mcain takes the helm
kangjie on September 3, 2008 at 10:26 PM
So how do you think I’m wrong in my assessment as to what will happen under an Obama or McCain presidency?
We’ve discussed this before. I’d argue that if the RNC really wanted the best candidate, they would adopt a preferential voting system. If the RNC actually valued conservatism, and if we had the ability to rank order the candidates, I think we would have had a much different result. The conservative vote was split between multiple candidates, which allowed McCain to appear in the lead, even though he was on the top of the list for so few people. But because the conservative vote was split so many ways, McCain came out on top. Who were the other viable candidates? Duncan Hunter. Fred Thomposon, for starters.
I’m tired of these labels “Republican” and “conservative.” I want the best, most qualified candidate possible. If Republicans don’t like me for not supporting their candidate, I really couldn’t care less. If they choose not to support folks with my ideals, more to the point that I won’t support them.
With regard to a McCain presidency being a success for the country: we’ll see.
Send_Me on September 3, 2008 at 10:34 PM
If we want to have some fun, think carefully about how the left tries to paint the daughter giving birth to an illegitimate child as sacrilege (they would rather she have an abortion to show she cares).
Let’s look closely at the facts surrounding the birth right of Sen. Obama (reality he is an illegitimate step child), and his staff is still trying to confirm if Sen. Obama meets the qualification of the 14th Amendment .
MSGTAS on September 4, 2008 at 10:41 AM
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