GOP convention, night two: Thompson and Lieberman
posted at 7:21 pm on September 2, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Here’s your comment thread. 7 p.m. ET on C-SPAN; watch online if you’re not near a TV. Bush will speak via satellite at some point and then it’s Fred plating bleeding chunks of red meat and Joementum reprising Zell Miller — but kinder and gentler! — in primetime.
How intense is public interest in Palin? Judging by online activity, more intense than it’s ever been even for The One. Our heroine’s lying low for now, but if you’re hungry for more, here’s tomorrow’s “scandal” today: HuffPo video of her addressing a Pentecostal church and asking for prayers that the task of U.S. troops be “a task that is from God” and “that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.” NBC has already picked it up and is naturally very, very concerned. Too early to tell yet which stereotype of evangelicals the left will try to demagogue her with, the idea that they want to wage a holy war on Muslims or the idea that they’re trying to bring about the Rapture and the U.S. military is the fastest path to Armageddon. But it sounds to me like all she’s really saying here is that she hopes God approves of what we’re doing, which must be the most rudimentary prayer in all of Christendom. Am I right or has my benighted atheism clouded my judgment once again. Weigh in!
While you mull that, here’s video from CNN of Sally Quinn telling Christians how they’re supposed to feel about a working mom neglecting her kids by going off gallivanting to shop or get her hair done or run for vice president of the United States. Like Andy McCarthy says, it’s downright heartwarming to see the left take such an interest in the Palin children’s well-being after so cruelly ignoring the effect on the Obama girls of having daddy away for such long stretches at a time. (Barney Frank not included!) Exit quotation: “Sarah was a touchdown, but I feel like we’re looking at it on the video replay for a final call.”
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Entelechy on September 2, 2008 at 11:30 PM
See Entelechy, I wasn’t being mean to Lieberman, its just that Zell Miller’s a hard act to follow.
Maxx on September 2, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Lol, awesome.
nickj116 on September 2, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Of course Obama can quote the bible in his nomination speech. Of course Muslims should be aloud to gather on airplanes and pray then file lawsuits against the people who were scared by them.
But god forbid Sarah Palin pray…
eski502 on September 2, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Me too. I am SO DONE with the bias and the hatred. I REFUSE to watch CNN, MSNBC, or the big three. I’m fed up.
nickj116 on September 2, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Fred was good as always but not on his game.
TheSitRep on September 2, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Nah, this is just Joe’s style.
Spirit of 1776 on September 2, 2008 at 11:54 PM
I hate to break this to you, Ole’ buddy Allah…. but I’ve yet to meet or hear of a positive, optimistic atheist.
What you all don’t comprehend is just how that much that clouds your judgment, day in and day out.
Every atheist I’ve ever known just has this sour puss perspective about everything… haven’t figured out if there is a redemptive value in this trait or not.. other than deserving a good whiplashing on a daily basis.
And don’t even ask me to look for a partner in crime for you… you all are impossible to please.
And with that I have to get some rest. I expect all you troopers to give the resident goat herder his hourly beating to keep him in shape, while I’m gone.
Cheers.
Mcguyver on September 2, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Best of the night
1. Newt Gingrich utterly destroying Ron Allen on MSNBC after Lieberman’s speech
2. Joe Lieberman exposing Obama
3. Switching the order so it was Fred, then Joe Lieberman
4. Medal of Honor winners, POWs, and veterans. Michael Mansour’s sister receiving unending applause, and breaking down.
5. Fred Thompson telling John McCain’s story.
6. George W. Bush delivering a solid speech with no rough spots
7. Laura Bush being Laura.
8. The energy of the crowd. It was incredible! I watched on C-SPAN before the RNC chairwoman opened the convention, right at 8pm (eastern) and the crowd was just dazzling, waving the signs, etc.
9. “Country First” is a great slogan
10. The McCain family.
This convention is going terrific. It’s home run after home run the whole night.
indythinker on September 2, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Everyone needs to keep in mind that this speech tonight by Joe most likely cost him his head of homeland security seat in the Senate after Nov. if the Dem.’s win more seats then they have now they will no longer need him around,just something to keep in mind.
tee866 on September 3, 2008 at 12:00 AM
I watched Zell Miller’s speech live on TV that night in 2004. He helped GWB win the election that year, I think.
eanax on September 3, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Two lines from Thompson’s speech sent up some red flags for me:
Please, leave the military out of this. The military is apolitical. Speak for yourselves, and not attempt to do so for “the men and women who wear America’s uniform.” I don’t mind him talking about his time in the military. I don’t mind him talking about how much he appreciates, supports, understands, etc. the military. I do mind Thompson’s assertion that McCain and “the men and women who wear America’s uniform” share the same values and beliefs just because they all wore a uniform of the United States Armed Forces. Technically speaking, I can’t even say that I’m in the military and confirm or deny Thompson’s assertion in the same sentence. It’s no different than a politician saying, “The military loves me.” This sort of statement is not fair to the military, since Service Members are in no position to take sides, and is a gross over-generalization of an organization that is supposed to be apolitical in the first place. I’m sure people here can understand the implications of a military that didn’t have this sort of policy.
Yeah, Breyer and Ginsburg have hurt quite a bit. I sure wish that Sen. McCain hadn’t voted in favor of their confirmations.
Send_Me on September 3, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Can someone please put this on Youtube?
nickj116 on September 3, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Fred! was great tonight! And Joe did what he needed to do.
eanax on September 3, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Partial clip of Gingrich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvwSuxpqCLA
indythinker on September 3, 2008 at 12:05 AM
I just watched that Zell Miller speech in it’s entirety for the first time. That speech was incredible, especially the stuff about Wilkie.
CanadianGuy on September 3, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Got it!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvwSuxpqCLA
nickj116 on September 3, 2008 at 12:06 AM
GINGRICH!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN54Fb9dLKs
Vincenzo on September 3, 2008 at 12:07 AM
i failed to put a discription for this video:
Gingrich DESSIMATES oblermann’s floor reporter on sarah palin’s “inexperience.”
the end of the clip is missing the point where gingrich asks the reporter to tell him one thing that obama has done to compare, and the reporter just gives a blank stare, and throws it back to olbermann
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN54Fb9dLKs
Vincenzo on September 3, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Laura Ingraham is chewing Greta up and spitting her out.
Did you see? It is amazing. Greta rolled her eyes off camera and Laura jumped down her throat. I love Laura.
pannw on September 3, 2008 at 12:08 AM
This is the full Gingrich clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvwSuxpqCLA
nickj116 on September 3, 2008 at 12:09 AM
BBBBWWWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
……… the look on that guy’s face just showed the panic in the Democratic party, the MSM, and the Left!
“Squeal…… stuck little piggies…….. SSSQQQUUUEEEAALLL!!!”
Seven Percent Solution on September 3, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Dude. McCain should make that an ad.
Spirit of 1776 on September 3, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Ive said it before, I’ll say it again, Newt is the leader of the Republican Party.
Singel handedly crushed the whole MSM argument about experience.
Vincenzo on September 3, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Laura Ingram takes no crap from Greta!
coldshot on September 3, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Awesome! Poor dude didn’t know whether to crap or wind his watch at the end. Looked like a dark Al Colmes.
a capella on September 3, 2008 at 12:13 AM
if you uploaded that, welcome to the 1,000,000 views club!
Vincenzo on September 3, 2008 at 12:16 AM
I love Laura. Years and years ago she and others were featured in a Vanity Fair article about young conservatives. She wore a leopard print mini skirt in the group photo and you could not take your eyes off her.
surfer girl on September 3, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Thanks for the link!
What an AWESOME smackdown from Gingrich! Well done! That reporter had his ass handed to him.
THAT is how the media should be handled.
techno_barbarian on September 3, 2008 at 12:19 AM
That was great.
Laura Ingraham just absolutely ripped Greta to shreds. She was talking about Fred’s speech and how Palin has been treated and interrupted herself to ask Greta why G was rolling her eyes. She demanded to know why and asked am I boring you Greta?
Then Laura went on a nice long rant about how if Palin was a Dem she’d be a hero. She wouldn’t let Greta interrupt. When Laura was talking about not going to Europe and criticizing your country but standing for America, Greta tried to interject some words about McCain and torture, but Laura just kept right on rolling along.
Finally, as Greta was trying desperately to regain control and saying we only have a minute, Laura patted!! her on the shoulder and said next time I’ll try not to bore you.
Greta tried to make some crack about Laura being tired and cranky, but I’ll tell you Greta was thoroughly pwned!
Laura is 10X times as articulate and 10X smarter. The words and points just kept pouring out!
INC on September 3, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Lynn Swann is now roasting Gretta over the coals…….. it’s priceless!
Seven Percent Solution on September 3, 2008 at 12:26 AM
OMG freda just got dissed by Lynn Swan big time she asked if he was getting heat from the AA’s bout being behind McCain and he said why should I got her flustered big time lmao
tee866 on September 3, 2008 at 12:27 AM
Good. The Republican anger over Palin’s treatment has them fired up to mow down the media.
INC on September 3, 2008 at 12:27 AM
Lynn Swann rules…
eanax on September 3, 2008 at 12:29 AM
…… May it NEVER end!
Seven Percent Solution on September 3, 2008 at 12:29 AM
What the HELL! Youtube just yanked the video!
FiveWays on September 3, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Use violation.
eanax on September 3, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Two words…………….. cowardice and fear!
Seven Percent Solution on September 3, 2008 at 12:31 AM
partisan lacky’s
FiveWays on September 3, 2008 at 12:31 AM
F*ck You- Youtube!
FiveWays on September 3, 2008 at 12:32 AM
I’m sure, but that’s what they can say as a cause for pulling the clip…
eanax on September 3, 2008 at 12:32 AM
I hope Greta is just playing the fair and balanced role tonight.
coldshot on September 3, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Interesting night, too bad Thompson didn’t have this much enthusiasm when he was running. Hope this won’t be the end of Liebermans career, he reminds me of the democrats of old. Yes he wasn’t fired up as was Miller, but thats not his character, and no I don’t think he will ever become a Republican, he will always be a Democrat that puts his country before the party. Interesting, I haven’t seen the party come together like this since Ike and Regan.
N4646W on September 3, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Then why roll her eyes off camera?
eanax on September 3, 2008 at 12:34 AM
The following is from NewsBusters:
INC on September 3, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Juan Williams and Gretta on FOX right now, ………. time to use the toilet!
Seven Percent Solution on September 3, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Right after Lieberman finished, MSNBC went to Ron Allen interviewing Gingrich on the floor. I was thinking that MSNBC found the Republican with the lowest likeability numbers (Gingrich has maybe 8% national likeability ratings), and they’re going to associate the convention with the negative public image of Gingrich.
Then Gingrich turns every question by Ron Allen around, scoring point after point. Finally, Ron Allen plays what he thinks is his trump card, Sarah Palin’s supposed lack of experience. That’s when Gingrich simply wipes the mat with Olberdouche’s lackey.
It turns out Gingrich knew what MSNBC was trying to do, and, as in jujitsu, flipped his negative image to attack mode, in devastating fashion. I’d like to see the entire interview again. I don’t think MSNBC will ever show it on air, though, Gingrich discredited MSNBC thoroughly.
indythinker on September 3, 2008 at 12:37 AM
The Genie is “Out of the Bottle“………….. and the MSM can’t put it back in!
…………… Delicious!
Seven Percent Solution on September 3, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Newt’s smart and Newt can talk. He and Laura were needed out there to do this rebuttal.
INC on September 3, 2008 at 12:40 AM
Like I said, I hope.
coldshot on September 3, 2008 at 12:41 AM
I guess she was a little shell-shocked and needed someone who wouldn’t give her a bad time.
INC on September 3, 2008 at 12:41 AM
Greta found some fools to confront.
coldshot on September 3, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Fred did a good job. He is apparently coming down with a cold. He fought through it and delivered the best speech I’ve seen him give. He really had passion and fire.
How do we donate to FredPAC?
indythinker on September 3, 2008 at 12:43 AM
These are the last people I would want to support me.
coldshot on September 3, 2008 at 12:45 AM
…… No doubt!
Your former post from NewsBusters is Gold…..
… If MSNBC won’t let anyone use the video, those statements should be used in a political add with overlays of Barrack and Sarah, her Working as Mayor and Governor, him, well, I’m not quite sure what he is doing to earn his paycheck these days……….. he’s definitely not earning his “pay grade” in the Senate.
Seven Percent Solution on September 3, 2008 at 12:48 AM
By the way, what ever happened to Alphie, FreeVillage, and the other trolls……………….?
AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Seven Percent Solution on September 3, 2008 at 12:50 AM
Seven Percent Solution,
My favorite line from Newt:
Ought to be quote of the day!
NewsBusters has been working overtime. Check them out if you’re not already familiar with them. Click on each headline for the full story.
INC on September 3, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Please don’t abuse my precious little pet rodent alphie. She is a harmless little creature that you will soon learn too love, as a I do.
coldshot on September 3, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Holy crap, Chris Matthews just said he thinks Palin will be a huge hit tomorrow because America loves rookies. Olbermann looked like a cat just peed on him.
rockmom on September 3, 2008 at 12:59 AM
rockmom on September 3, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Problem with CM is he does know politics and he really does get excited by process. Unfortunately he is also a party hack.
Spirit of 1776 on September 3, 2008 at 1:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN54Fb9dLKs
this version is still up.
Vincenzo on September 3, 2008 at 1:19 AM
I finally found the video on MSNBC’s site. It’s impossible to find anything there. It’s like it was designed by liberals.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/26518401#26518401
indythinker on September 3, 2008 at 1:21 AM
freevillage was banned this morning. alphie is just depressed since last Friday.
Entelechy on September 3, 2008 at 1:24 AM
I wondered if he hadn’t stepped over the edge when he used the same terminology another had been warned about regarding Bristol. I suspected he was doing it to taunt AP. Glad to see it happen. I hate that kind of language about women.
a capella on September 3, 2008 at 1:34 AM
Well that’s some great news to end a great day. I might just start spending some time here again. It’s been tedious at best in the comments for a while now the few times I check in.
Thankfully this ‘terrible’ economy is keeping me busier than I’d really like. Also, thankfully, I’m starting to sense a shift in the American attitude, and for the better. My optimism is returning. Looking forward to tomorrow night’s RNC events and speeches. Should be a lot of fun.
Have a good one, Entel.
techno_barbarian on September 3, 2008 at 1:39 AM
Someone was asking about the tribute to Michael Monsoor. The RNC has the video here.
http://www.gopconvention2008.com/videos/
Ronnie on September 3, 2008 at 1:41 AM
Same here techno_b. You too. Tomorrow will be a great day.
Entelechy on September 3, 2008 at 1:41 AM
Do tell!
ronsfi on September 3, 2008 at 1:46 AM
ronsfi, no reference that I’ve seen, except AP said so in a headline thread (what now is yesterday). Apparently he referred to the pregnant Palin girl in a disrespectful way, one too many times in last night’s QoD.
Entelechy on September 3, 2008 at 1:49 AM
Anyone have the video of Greta and Laura Ingraham? I was indisposed during that whole ordeal.
Send_Me on September 3, 2008 at 1:50 AM
Good riddance. Every time they open registration it takes a month or so to rid the place trolls. yuk.
ronsfi on September 3, 2008 at 1:53 AM
Called Bristol a night-walker, essentially. Real loser.
Spirit of 1776 on September 3, 2008 at 1:54 AM
Link
Ronnie on September 3, 2008 at 1:59 AM
Spirit of 1776 on September 3, 2008 at 1:54 AM
What is wrong with people? Sad. I’m fired up and loaded for bear on this one. I came out at the office as a Neo-Con. They look at me like I came from Venus. Prolly get fired but I am tired of living in the shadows. LOL.
ronsfi on September 3, 2008 at 2:00 AM
Couldn’t leave the # of comments at “666″. Some wingnut would take a screenshot and it’d end up on MSNBC as proof-positive that we’re all eee-vil.
cgoode777 on September 3, 2008 at 2:00 AM
Thanks Ronnie!
ronsfi on September 3, 2008 at 2:01 AM
Dude. That’s awesome. They won’t fire you. Neocons are unstable, they are afraid you’ll go postal, lol.
I saw your (and others) enthusiasm on the pick and was actually thinking about it to myself – how people who didn’t ever agree on things before have communally rallied around this woman. She’s really something special, imo. Not many people can cause that.
Spirit of 1776 on September 3, 2008 at 2:02 AM
Thanks dude, that was pretty good.
Spirit of 1776 on September 3, 2008 at 2:06 AM
You’re alright. Thanks, friend.
Send_Me on September 3, 2008 at 2:11 AM
Laura and Greta are always funny together. I like how Laura takes control.
Ronnie on September 3, 2008 at 2:13 AM
I don’t agree on everything with her but when I look at that family I see my family and I agree with her on the core issues that I believe are most critical. Like life and the 2nd Ammendment. Plus she displays a rare commodity in today’s politics. Common Sense.
ronsfi on September 3, 2008 at 2:15 AM
While at on a walk at work today I was discussing with a co-worker the strategy of the Obama camp refusing to acknowledge that Gov. Palin is indeed a governor instead of a small town mayor. A woman who was making a delivery to our mail room asked if we were talking about McCain’s V.P. pick and started on a rant (not threatening) about her being an employee of the evil oil companies. Interesting.
Cindy Munford on September 3, 2008 at 2:34 AM
And here I thought she was employed by the State of Alaska.
Ronnie on September 3, 2008 at 2:39 AM
Ronnie on September 3, 2008 at 2:39 AM
It was weird and I thought of all sorts of things to say but since I didn’t know the lady, I just told her that it wasn’t true and kept walking. Although her husband works for BP so if you go waaay out on a limb she could be right. I probably should have told her that I have no problem with oil companies or their employees, that might have been interesting.
Cindy Munford on September 3, 2008 at 2:58 AM
I guess I would just ask her where she parks her horse.
Ronnie on September 3, 2008 at 3:10 AM
Haha, I posted earlier in this thread.
Haven’t seen anything from the Repubs that comes close to the DNC yet….zero effort to appeal to anyone outside their rather tiny base.
Perhaps we’re witnessing the transformation of the Republicans into a regional party?
alphie on September 3, 2008 at 3:10 AM
Yeah, Lieberman really brings in the Evangelicals. Pray tell, what did they do at the DNC to appeal to Republicans?
Ronnie on September 3, 2008 at 3:22 AM
Johan Klaus on September 3, 2008 at 3:56 AM
A few observations from soggy Hawgland…Watched tonight via Fox News…Right Said FRED!! had some very good lines and a lot of energy…Joe was pretty good and his emphasis on country before party was very good…Greta got her behind handed to her by Laura Ingram…Newt was enthused…Juan Wms must take a lot of ibuprofen due to all that jerking from common sense to fringe bingeing he does…I think Susan Esteridge should be commended for saying that the Palin smears are unprecedented…
Thanks to the YouTUbe link I got to see Newt hand MSNBC their collective arses. Had I been watching it live would’ve also meant I was talking to ralph and earl due to the nausea caused by the “world’s worst person”…
Looking forward to Gov. “the Thrilla from Wasilla” Palin’s speech…(borrowed the Thrilla part from another poster)
And being a longtime lurker here before recently registering, I’ve wanted to ask this question for a long time…”what’s it all about, alphie?”
POW/WOW ‘08
Gohawgs on September 3, 2008 at 4:15 AM
Alfie says that he is a Reagan conservative, but never saw a liberal idea with which Alfie did’nt agree.
Johan Klaus on September 3, 2008 at 4:23 AM
I like the way Joementum used Washington’s Farewell Adress, a piece every bit as realevent now (and perhaps even moreso today) as when it was written, to frame his point.
If you’ve never read it, or only read parts of it, Google it up and read the whole thing. IMHO, the thing should be required reading in highschools and college.
SuperCool on September 3, 2008 at 5:05 AM
Heyyyyy…I’m a positive, optimistic atheist.
S. Weasel on September 3, 2008 at 7:43 AM
Just watched the Newt video and am still lm-freaking-ao over it. I agree that McCain should siply attach the “I’m John McCain, and I approve of this buttkicking, er, message” and gte it out on the airwaves.
And Alphie, still waiting to hear how the dems appealed to anyone outside their leftist base.
Huckabye-Romney on September 3, 2008 at 7:46 AM
Sen. Fred Thompson, Statesman Extraordinaire!
When Fred speaks, America listens.
I tried network television only to be stuck with McNeil’s pallbearers of doom on PBS, though I did enjoy hearing McCain’s prison inmate “Bud” give his endorsement between speakers with the PBS blond lady journalist. But the three old white men cronies in the studio were awfully disgusting.
Thank God for reliable alternative sources for news.
It was great watching online PAJAMA TV coverage of the GOP Convention! The PJ lady journalist from D.C. kept the voltage up and on target, delivering a great performance solo and ensemble. Bravo, PJTV!
maverick muse on September 3, 2008 at 8:25 AM
Speaking of Reagan Conservatives, the underground railroad CONTINUES to host travelers leaving the Democrat Party to join ranks with the GOP, even if as Independents.
Following WWII, folks like Ike left the Democrat Party in order to direct the flow of American business prosperity and domestic strength. Reagan would later endorse the same points for American strength, tirelessly promoting international democracy vs. communism.
The GI Bill leveled the economic playing field between the Democrat vs. Republican Parties, as neither has exclusive rights representing either rich or poor Americans. There are as many rich Democrats as Republicans, and as many economically challenged Republicans as Democrats.
Now, when voters transfer from one party to the other it is over IDEOLOGY. That a major ideological Democrat doctrine enforces amputation of wealth from the workers to drones and political swine remains the exclusive bane of the Democrats. That Republicans support education, jobs, energy and production that American businesses accomplish with successful security remains their own exclusive identity.
There is no converting a Nazi in Nazi Germany to leave his party to campaign for an opponent. No one expects to sway ubertards from their brain trench.
But there are a lot of people who don’t care one way or another about things they have no idea about–and a lot of people are uninformed.
maverick muse on September 3, 2008 at 8:53 AM
Uneducated voters need visual aids to realize their choices.
Political ad:
Voter goes car shopping at the Democrat Dealership. The Democrat salesman tells the voter to take a hike (to work, to the store, to the bus that may or may not be there in your town) enforcing good health & green environment via deprivation and forced marches. By the way, though the voter doesn’t get the car, the voter pays for the car he doesn’t get to provide security for the Democrat Dealership.
maverick muse on September 3, 2008 at 8:54 AM
Why is it that everyday, rank and file democrat party member is not being heard from on this unprecedented (Susan Estridge’s words) ATTACK on a mother, her eldest daughter, her youngest son and the her family as a whole?!?!?!?!
Is it because they are cowering from the lunatic fringe, the koskids, the huffpro haters, the Dailey machine incarnate?
Or is it because the democrat party is no longer the rank and file members but, rather the lunatics themselves along with their flying monkey media friends?
Dorothy survived the tornado and so will Governor Sarah Palin.
Gohawgs on September 3, 2008 at 9:10 AM
Fred’s speech about McCain’s trials in Viet Nam caused me to tear up. I have to say that my opinion of McCain couldn’t get much higher, although if he’d just come around on the illegal immigration issue(s), I think I’d feel even better about him.
Geministorm on September 3, 2008 at 9:19 AM
Get over your MDS, the reference to the military was that like the military, McCain put the country first.
You haters…oh my.
And better check your facts, the reason conservative have a majority in the supreme court is because of McCain’s actions.
I could point to many instances of conservative voting for what they thought was a reasonable justice, and the justice turns out to swing to the left.
The reason you can point to McCains mistakes, is that he actually made decisions and has a record.
Here is some news for you…leaders make mistakes…
right2bright on September 3, 2008 at 9:23 AM
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