Biden’s deferments
posted at 8:50 am on September 2, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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For the last eight years, but especially in 2004, the Democrats went after Dick Cheney for accepting five deferments from the draft during the Vietnam War. Now, however, the Democrats have their own VP candidate with the same record of draft deferments. Joe Biden took five student deferments and later got classified as ineligible except in case of national emergency for asthma — even though his biography emphasizes his ability at sports as a youth:
Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War, the same number of deferments received by Vice President Dick Cheney, and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.
Officials with Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama’s campaign released Biden’s Selective Service records at the request of The Associated Press. Less detailed records were available from a National Archives facility in Philadelphia.
According to the documents, Biden, 65, received several deferments while he was an undergraduate at the University of Delaware and later as a law student at Syracuse University. A month after undergoing a physical exam in April 1968, Biden received a Selective Service classification of 1-Y, meaning he was available for service only in the event of national emergency. …
In “Promises to Keep,” a memoir that was published last year and became an instant best-seller after he was tapped as Obama’s running mate, Biden never mentions his asthma, recounting an active childhood, work as a lifeguard and football exploits in high school.
Maybe the book recounts Neil Kinnock’s youth instead of Biden’s? His disqualification came in 1968, at the height of the war and as student protests began gaining traction. At 25, one might expect a lifeguard and high-school football star to be healthy enough for military service. Something got exaggerated, either in 1968 or in the memoirs.
Does this really make much of a difference otherwise? Plenty of people took deferments, and as many of them as they could, including Dick Cheney. Deferments weren’t illegal, although they certainly were controversial at the time and remain so today. Biden didn’t become a “draft dodger” or a deserter, and as we can see, he became a productive member of American society. Under normal circumstances, it shouldn’t make any difference at all.
However, the same can be said for Cheney — and mostly wasn’t over the last four years. Democrats who gleefully questioned Cheney’s manhood and patriotism over this issue should now explain why they support a candidate for the same office with the same record of deferments. This issue shouldn’t be about Biden, who cooperated with the system as it existed at the time. It should be about holding the hypocrites accountable for their baseless attacks over the years.
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Biden time ’til the war was over.
seejanemom on September 2, 2008 at 8:52 AM
Hey maybe we can gen up some authentically forged documents…………
…Dan…..Dan…anybody seen Dan?
seejanemom on September 2, 2008 at 8:53 AM
MSM: “Eh, who cares? We have a 17 year old girl who needs to be attacked!”
forest on September 2, 2008 at 8:53 AM
If Biden’s asthma disqualified him from active duty, shouldn’t we worry about a world crisis causing him to have an asthma attack, and possibly death? If that occurred the office of President would be vacant until a new leader could be appointed and approved by the Senate thereby exacerbating such crisis!
eaglewingz08 on September 2, 2008 at 8:53 AM
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. McCain’s wealth and number of homes has become an issue even though John Kerry is just as, perhaps more, wealthy. Pound Biden on this!
Disturb the Universe on September 2, 2008 at 8:55 AM
From being a strong athlete and buff life guard…to using his last best hope for deferement being having chronic asthma?
It’s been decades…and in the following decades, intelligent people have come to know and see Biden for who he really is…the consumate opportunist, and not a very good one, either.
This draft deferment meme has no legs.
[BTW, back in the late 60's diagnosing "asthma" was pretty rudimentary. It was most often a patient's complaint and a doctor's merely saying it was what the patient said it was.]
coldwarrior on September 2, 2008 at 8:57 AM
That’s easy. Lefties are the masters at the double standard.
Nothing to see here.
flipflop on September 2, 2008 at 8:58 AM
So I guess this means he’s a chickenhawk when he blathers on about Afghanistan and going to get Bin Ladin.
Dash on September 2, 2008 at 8:58 AM
OK, this feels weird, but I have to defend Biden on one count – the asthma issue. He and I are of similar ages, and I know that the standard for Army service (probably the same for all services) was a history of no asthma attacks after age ten. I was a childhood asthmatic and ran up against the same standard. My poor memory (hack, cough!) let me get in and stay in for 25 years, but the standard WAS there.
Don’t get me started on deferments.
Longhorn Six on September 2, 2008 at 8:59 AM
People with asthma can still be good at sports. This is reaching.
lodge on September 2, 2008 at 9:00 AM
I am betting that the his history of 2 prior aneurysms knocks him off first.
Gee… Biden’s 65, had 2 prior aneurysms and his asthma was bad enough to keep him out of the military but the lefties are griping about a McCain who is only 7 years older, is healthy as a horse and, according to his doctors, has less than a 10% chance (in other words, the same as every other person on earth) of his skin cancer ever returning, much less killing him.
Damiano on September 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM
Joe Biden is from Scranton, Pennsylvania.
carbon_footprint on September 2, 2008 at 9:02 AM
My 6′1″, 200 lb. football-playing brother got classified 4-F because of hammer toes. In 1968, EVERYONE knew what kind of medical conditions would get you out of the draft, and everyone knew how to fake it. I’ll bet Joe Biden showed up for his physical wheezing and sucking from an inhaler.
This needs to be investigated! I demand that all of Biden’s medical records be released. I want interviews with his doctors and the draft board that classified him.
***crickets***
rockmom on September 2, 2008 at 9:07 AM
Oh, I get it. He’s Ronald Reagan.
BigD on September 2, 2008 at 9:08 AM
I don’t really see how you can be a lifeguard when you have asthma.
SoulGlo on September 2, 2008 at 9:09 AM
When I was a kid in the Late ’60s, Early ’70s, I wandered around the University of Minnesota, and happened upon a free pamphlet that was titled something like “How to fail a Selective Service physical.” I wish I’d grabbed one and saved it.
RBMN on September 2, 2008 at 9:10 AM
Yeah. Scrappy workin’ class Joey Biden from Scranton, PA.
forest on September 2, 2008 at 9:10 AM
The reason this doesn’t get more ink from the MSM is that the GOP in general and VP Cheney in particular are misidentified and wrongfully characterized as “warmongers” and “chicken-little’s” by the left, always willing to send other people when “they didn’t go”. A silly argument in a civilan-led government.
The MSM correctly recognizes, however, the inherent cowardness and weakness of being a liberal Democrat, so they get a pass…
Oh, and Joe Biden is from Scranton, PA.
CapitalistPig on September 2, 2008 at 9:11 AM
But, but, but, did I mention he rides the train to work?
trs on September 2, 2008 at 9:11 AM
You know, he represents Delaware; however, he proudly hails from Scranton, Pennsylvania. Yes, did you notice how his sleeves are always rolled up? That’s is because he is a working class guy and something might come up where he has to do some hard work; have to be ready for hard work because you never know when it will come.
carbon_footprint on September 2, 2008 at 9:12 AM
“…he became a productive member of American society.”
Funny, I thought he entered politics.
JohnJ on September 2, 2008 at 9:13 AM
Y’all are nuts. Try to disqualify Biden from this election? Send him asthma medication, stat! We need him to stay active on this ticket, all the way to the bitter (for them) end.
Didn’t you hear the whispers after Palin was announced that it would be beneficial for Joe Blow to disqualify himself due to some (any) sudden medical condition? So that Hillary, who loves this country, can step into the breach and help carry the Dem standard?
Who do you want to face in November?
Doug on September 2, 2008 at 9:15 AM
So it’s a tie in dubious exemptions from Viet Nam.
Have a fit about it, then move on.
Dave Rywall on September 2, 2008 at 9:16 AM
Biden’s a condescending prick, but otherwise harmless. The same can’t be said for our worthless press.
(The otherwise worthless) Tribune columnist Steve Chapman opines.
Jaibones on September 2, 2008 at 9:17 AM
Don’t EVER do that when I have a mouth full of coffee. Anyone have a beach towel?
Immolate on September 2, 2008 at 9:17 AM
Keep moving – nothing to see here.
Fuquay Steve on September 2, 2008 at 9:17 AM
Okay, hey everybody, this thread is over so don’t post any more comments. Ed, please ’strike’ this thread.
carbon_footprint on September 2, 2008 at 9:18 AM
It is not like he paid a poor black man to take his place or anything.
Fuquay Steve on September 2, 2008 at 9:19 AM
But the Journalists leave their personal feelings aside.
They use the same yardstick to measure every candidate.
Every aspirant from the weak ones to the powerful.
They use their canny knowledge of the real world to get at the truth.
I’m sure they will ask Mr. Biden about his draft deferments in a probing way.
…
ahhhahahahaha.. I crack myself up.
silverfox on September 2, 2008 at 9:19 AM
Yep, Biden has to have the sleeves rolled up because he might have to drop everything at a moment’s notice and go shovel some slag or dig some coal or something.
All the thrashing around by the media and the netroots can’t change the fact that Biden comes across phony and Palin is real.
forest on September 2, 2008 at 9:20 AM
I won’t count on Keith Olberdouche to go on a mouth-frothing, spittle flinging attack screed over this one.
wildweasel on September 2, 2008 at 9:21 AM
“…did you notice how his sleeves are always rolled up? That’s is because he is a working class guy and something might come up where he has to do some hard work; have to be ready for hard work because you never know when it will come.”
carbon_footprint on September 2, 2008 at 9:12 AM
Yep…sleeves all rolled up…but I’d bet the tags say Hugo Boss, Tasso Elba or Ralph Lauren. At $90 a shirt…what sort of hard work does he have in mind? Hard work rolling up his shirt sleeves?
He’s a phony…always has been. Just like his “working guy” taking the train to work….$70 one way. That’s a working guy, alright.
coldwarrior on September 2, 2008 at 9:22 AM
Why waste ANY time on this “issue”????? Biden has SO many “professional” defects with which to slam him into the ground, we hardly need to bring THIS up to make our argument. It WAS appropriate to bring up J. Francois Kereee’s dubious military record because he was campaigning SOLELY on that (faked) record.
p.s. I got my butt drafted to RVN, and I’m prepared to say in Biden’s case: “This is 30 years old……let’s drop it!!!”
I would like to think most of us would conclude likewise.
alwyr on September 2, 2008 at 9:23 AM
Find some of the lefts old posts/articles on D. Cheney. Then change it to read Biden where it said Cheney in each article. And title the new improved post/article “Karma Aint It A B*#@H!
Yes/No?
multiuseless on September 2, 2008 at 9:23 AM
As far as asthma being a good reason to avoid the draft, I agree. My son is a great (IMO) athlete and can run circles around most people. But ~once a year he has an asthma attack and needs that inhaler or things can get very ugly. Even with the inhaler, he needs to back off for a while. Were that to happen in a combat situation…
But, as Ed points out, the issue is that both followed the rules, but one has been criticized for it while the other has gotten a free pass.
taznar on September 2, 2008 at 9:24 AM
But did you know he is from Scranton, PA?????
carbon_footprint on September 2, 2008 at 9:25 AM
He doesn’t just ride the train to work, he rides Amtrak, at $75 for a round trip ticket.
MarkTheGreat on September 2, 2008 at 9:27 AM
why am I not surprised to find out, that even though drywall through multiple fits regarding Cheney’s exemptions, he doesn’t think Biden’s exemptions are worth talking about.
MarkTheGreat on September 2, 2008 at 9:28 AM
He never ate a baby, neither.
Akzed on September 2, 2008 at 9:29 AM
But did you know he is from Scranton, PA?????
carbon_footprint on September 2, 2008 at 9:25 AM
Oh, damn…be right back…gotta go get some Biden stickers for my car…
:-)
coldwarrior on September 2, 2008 at 9:29 AM
Mark Levin claimed it could be as much as $150 per round trip. Some special luxury Amtrak train line.
carbon_footprint on September 2, 2008 at 9:30 AM
alwyr,
You miss the point, we aren’t slamming Biden with this post. We are slamming the left and their double standards.
Why are they giving Biden a pass on deferements, when they went after Cheney full bore on the same issue?
MarkTheGreat on September 2, 2008 at 9:31 AM
Give it up. Avoiding the war in Vietnam is only pertinent if you’re considered a war hawk.
Kafir on September 2, 2008 at 9:36 AM
Nah he was a lifeguard in perfect health….
he was doing “real heroics” not acting as an agent of “Yankee Imperialism”.
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 9:36 AM
I don’t think this will get much traction because Democrats are not really expected to have integrity, but it’s not “a tie” with Cheney because Cheney isn’t running.
Biden is running against McCain and Palin – neither of whom got any deferments. And “no deferments” is just a bit of an understatement in McCain’s case.
forest on September 2, 2008 at 9:37 AM
Biden claims he is a warhawk….or is this another one of those neat…
“well when I say I support a war it is a hard decision arrived at after much thought but when Chimpy Rove McBushHitler does it is just knee jerk” memes?
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 9:37 AM
If you’ve ever been to Scranton, PA, you wouldn’t be shocked to learn everyone who ever lived there had asthma. It sits on top of smoking coalmines.
Anyway asthma probably explains (as Longhorn Six on September 2, 2008 at 8:59 AM alludes to) Biden’s hack label.
However, his asthma can’t be so bad as to disqualify him. His blowhard credentials are breathtaking (Oops! Sorry!).
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on September 2, 2008 at 9:40 AM
why am I not surprised to find out, that even though drywall through multiple fits regarding Cheney’s exemptions, he doesn’t think Biden’s exemptions are worth talking about.
MarkTheGreat on September 2, 2008 at 9:28 AM
————
I said HAVE A FIT ABOUT IT. So have your fit, cover it, try to soil his reputation with it, and then move on.
However, nobody really knows the true state of his or Cheney’s lives at that time of the deferments, so it’s unfair to just sit here and judge either of them.
Next.
Dave Rywall on September 2, 2008 at 9:40 AM
Some people push themselves with sports and physical conditioning because they have asthma (conversely, there’s lots of evidence from exercise physiology that intense physical conditioning regimens can lead to elevated risk factors for URTIs). I used to see this with fellow swimmers all the time. How many of our Olympians were worried about the air in Beijing for precisely this reason?
The deferment system was fundamentally unfair, as was much of what went on around the draft. If it’s news, it’s not surprising news.
I’m more interested in the last 30 years of colorful foreign policy suggestions he’s made, since that’s what he allegedly brings to the ticket.
DrSteve on September 2, 2008 at 9:41 AM
FTA: ’something got exaggerated’ !
Remember, this is Joe ‘Blow Smoke’ Biden we are talking about here…if he isn’t exaggerating he isn’t talking.
DoctorDentons on September 2, 2008 at 9:44 AM
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Please let’s not go here. There. Wherever it is we’re going with this.
The left was wrong to obsess endlessly with what Bush did with TANG 30 years ago. (And look what it got them: fake TANG memos that made them look even more like idiots.) Let’s not make the same mistake trying to tease out whatever Biden did in his salad days. There’s no there there.
Bartrams_Garden on September 2, 2008 at 9:45 AM
People are missing the point. The reason to bring this up isn’t to attack Biden, his deferments or news that he was diagnosed with asthma. The issue needs to be raised when dealing with the left leaning supporters whom over the last four years attacked Cheaney for the same number of deferments. If Cheaney, in their eyes, was unfit to serve because of this issue then why shouldn’t Biden be held to the same standard? Why aren’t these same vocal protests aimed at Obama for his choice of a “Chickenhawk” on his ticket?
This meme is simply used to illustrate the double standard by which the liberals live their daily lives.
smfoushee on September 2, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Bringing up Cheney now is not a winner.
DrSteve on September 2, 2008 at 9:49 AM
Agreed on all points. Look, McCain owns the Military bona fides argument, and nobody is disputing that. Biden is not trying to sell us an image of military expertise, so this really is just a smear, IMO. Furthermore, lots of otherwise honorable young men avoided the Vietnam-era draft, and I’d venture to say that significant segment of the voting public either avoided it themselves, or are related to or otherwise know someone who avoided that draft. I know we like to point out Big Media’s hypocrisy in their treatment of liberals and conservatives, but I’m a proponent of fighting only the battles that are worth fighting. This is not one of those battles, IMO.
holygoat on September 2, 2008 at 9:49 AM
joe biden? exaggerating? no way.
yossi on September 2, 2008 at 9:52 AM
The issue isn’t the deferments, his eventual classification or the appropriateness of either. It is about the hypocrisy of the Left. If Cheney was a Democrat and Biden a Republican is there any doubt how differently each would be treated? Is there any doubt had Plain been picked by Obama she would be treated completely differently than she has over the last several days? It’s about the corruption of the media and the rank, obvious hypocrisy of the Left.
TheBigOldDog on September 2, 2008 at 9:54 AM
Didn’t anybody VET This guy?!?!?!?!?!
tree hugging sister on September 2, 2008 at 10:01 AM
This is how I see it. First let me done my liberal MA resident hat.
A Republican or Conservative who gets deferments or doesn’t enlist in the military, the real military, not that fake National Guard weekend warrior thing is a hypocrite that does not hold to their principles. Therefore Chaney and Bush are hypocritical cowards that couldn’t even stand up for their principles.
On the other hand a democrat or liberal who gets deferments or doesn’t enlist in the military is holding to their principles. Therefore Clinton, Biden and BO are all men who not only talk the talk but walk the talk.
This is why BO and JB have so much more integrity then McCain and Palin. Yeah I know McCain was a POW but does sitting in an interment camp for years really count? It’s almost like being in the National Guard and lets face it it’s not like he was being held in a place like GITMO.
Speaking of hypocrites not standing by their principles. There is the lovely, too some, mayor of a small town and beauty queen Ms. Palin. She purports to be pro-life yet has an underage child who is pregnant. A little girl who will be burdened the rest of her life with a baby. So how hypocritical is that?
Lets face it who do you really want answering that phone at 3am? A guy that spent the war on his butt in a detainment center and has a mom as a sidekick or a teacher that snorts coke has racist and former terrorists as friends, has never spent a day in his life commanding or running anything and has a draft dogging professional politician and lawyer as a sidekick?
The choice is yours and I hope you can choose wisely or at the very least let the liberals choose for you.
Remove liberal hat and done radical conservative hat.
What we have here is the ticking bomb and the terrorist exercise. If you are not familiar with it, it goes something like this. You have a bomb about to destroy the country and you have the guy that knows how to defuse it in custody. Do you beat the crap out of him in the hope that you can get the information to defuse it before it goes off or do you stand by your principles and not torture him and let the bomb go off.
Translated to the election.
What we have is a candidate and a party about to destroy the country and you have the ability to hopefully not let it happen by voting. Do you vote for the party that has an over the age of consent pregnant daughter or do you sick to your principles and not vote or vote for the other party?
Well in the first case if you stick to your principles it’s really kind of ok because you will be dead. On the other had in the second case you will still be alive and live the rest of your life knowing you helped to destroy the country..
jmarcure on September 2, 2008 at 10:01 AM
If Joe Biden has asthma, how come he never had an asthma attack during his interminable speeches?
No matter. Joe Biden’s complacent doctor made him miss out on John Kerry’s greatest qualification: three purple hearts for shooting himself in the butt!
Steve Z on September 2, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Boring and absurd.
1. Palin isn’t a hypocrite just because her daughter got pregnant. If anything, the way the family is handling this is perfectly consistent with her beliefs.
2. What does “purports to be pro-life” have to do with her daughter being pregnant? Pro-life people aren’t supposed to get pregnant? This is absurd.
3. Children are only “burdens” to the baby-murdering left.
4. Normally, babies don’t stay infants for the rest of their lives. They do tend to grow up and leave home. Stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.
5. Raising a child doesn’t make her hypocritical. Aborting the child would.
fossten on September 2, 2008 at 10:10 AM
How is Joe Biden’s asthma now? Does he carry an inhaler? For how long has he carried it? What effects does asthma have on his life? This is the man who Obama thinks should be a heartbeat away from the presidency? Did Obama know about Biden’s asthma when he vetted him? Should Biden take on the burden of being vice-president when he also has to take care of his family and fight asthma, all at the same time? Maybe it’s too much for him to take on.
indythinker on September 2, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Sorry, jmarcure, I missed the sarc in your post. My bad.
fossten on September 2, 2008 at 10:15 AM
No, I do consider it an issue. I didn’t like Mitt running off to France with his deferment, and I didn’t like Cheney with his deferment.
The fact is, someone else went in their place, someone else risk their life.
They would rather sacrifice someone else for their liberty. Draft dodgers are not leadership material.
right2bright on September 2, 2008 at 10:16 AM
In a time of war, a nation full of
menpeople like Clinton, Biden and Barry would lay down in the fetal position and wave a white flag the size of Montana while our country is overrun by islamic terrorists.Deferments annoy me, but spineless cowards at the helm scare the living crap out of me.
fogw on September 2, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Ed.. is this some use of the word, ‘productive’ that the public isn’t aware of?
DaveC on September 2, 2008 at 10:29 AM
And he voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq.
So… Biden the Chickenhawk? I can’t wait for Code Pinko to get a hold of this one.
VolMagic on September 2, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Let’s wait for the NY Times to investigate.
stoj on September 2, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Rats! I was all set to try and sucker you some more. :)
I really expected to get nailed on the National Guard and McCain stuff first as it was carefully loaded with what I thought was inflammatory stuff. I figured that because I was pro-military and tried to serve, I got discharged from Basic Training due to being injured, I knew how to trip the triggers of the pro-military crowd.
jmarcure on September 2, 2008 at 10:47 AM
And what is new about the hypocritical left winger…?
UNFORTUNATELY NOTHING !!!
RocketmanBob on September 2, 2008 at 10:48 AM
Biden? Pal-in comparison.
silenced majority on September 2, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Really? Just like that? These were kids avoiding an involuntary draft over 35 years ago. There are a lot of guys who used college deferments and dubious medical conditions to avoid serving in an Army they never aspired to and in a war they didn’t support. And a lot of these kids grew up to be decent, honorable and patriotic men. I’d bet a fair portion of them are voting Republican at this point in their lives. To hold such a decision made so early in life against a person for so long is not only unfair, it has the great potential to alienate moderates who made the same decision themselves, or know others who did.
This is an issue that plays to the base only, and if anything, makes those pushing the issue seem small and petty to the moderates who we just might need to keep Obama out of the Oval Office. This is the kind of issue that, when pushed, makes it appear that those pushing it have nothing of greater substance to offer. And that’s just not true when you’ve got Joe Biden as your opponent.
Ask yourself this question: Is Joe Biden’s college deferments and purported teenage asthma a hill worth dying on? I say no.
holygoat on September 2, 2008 at 10:56 AM
You know, asthma can be life threatening. And Joe Biden is kind of old. Maybe he should be replaced on the ticket.
RushBaby on September 2, 2008 at 11:01 AM
OT but…..
Back in the ancient days when I was very young I was at a family picnic and I overheard a conversation between the adults. At the time I really didn’t know what they were talking about but I think it shaped my world view later in life when I did understand. One of my great uncles said that “we should just give in because we are better off red then dead.” I think it was during the Cuba Missile event and they were all talking about surrendering. It has really stuck with me and I think warped me into the “I will fight till my dieing breath.” attitude I now have. My parents are pretty liberal and life long democrats and I’m pleased that my Dad is going to vote McCain because he can’t stomach BO who he thinks is nothing more then a con man and my mom can’t stomach Biden. Her opinion of him is kind of unprintable in polite company.
jmarcure on September 2, 2008 at 11:06 AM
You know, asthma can be life threatening. And Joe Biden is kind of old. Maybe he should be replaced on the ticket.
RushBaby on September 2, 2008 at 11:01 AM
If Biden’s display this past weekend in PA is any indication, I wouldn’t worry about the asthma thingie…seems Biden likes to self-medicate…
coldwarrior on September 2, 2008 at 11:09 AM
The problem is that we didn’t make the hill worth taking. The liberals did with their attacks on Bush and continued attacks on conservatives that didn’t serve. You know, “chickens coming home to roost” and all that. Liberals expect to be free to attack without being counter attacked but it doesn’t work that way. I can understand their ignorance. After all most of them are experts on avoiding the military so I do not expect them to understand attack and counter attack theories.
jmarcure on September 2, 2008 at 11:14 AM
haha
RushBaby on September 2, 2008 at 11:14 AM
I knew Ronald Reagen, Mr. Biden. Ronald Reagan was a friend of mine. And you, Mr. Biden, are no Ronald Reagan.
ManlyRash on September 2, 2008 at 11:21 AM
The liberals died on that hill, though. Twice. Believe me, I understand the desire to point out every piece of evidence that Big Media has a double standard vis a vis liberal politicians and conservative politicians, but just because it was wrong of the press and the left to pursue such lines of attack against conservative politicians doesn’t make it right for us to pursue them against liberal politicians. And it’s not about turning the other cheek or “rising above”, either. It’s about going all in against the ante on a mediocre hand. The potential payoff just isn’t worth the risk.
holygoat on September 2, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Lets knock off the petty jawing about the plagerizing draft dodger.
We conservatives are above that, in contrast to our liberal democrat self rightous opponents.
Besides the issue makes him a hero to the democrats.
Amazed on September 2, 2008 at 11:34 AM
At one time I would agree but it’s a different world and we are now playing in their game with their rules. It’s hard to accept that but it’s pretty much the reality because the world has become connected and people that never mattered now have a voice and things that would never come out now do. It’s sad we have to lower ourselves into their world we can’t drain the swamp without getting our feet wet. We can’t win this with unmovable righteous positions or by taking a knife to a gun fight. They set the agenda and we have to work within it or get the hell out of the way and let them have what they want.
jmarcure on September 2, 2008 at 11:54 AM
I never said they couldn’t become productive members of society. What I said was they would rather have someone else take their place then face the responsibility themselves.
By them taking these “deferments” they forced others to take their place.
You may consider that honorable, and you may think that 35 years excuses that, but if you were a parent whose son was killed in place of a “deferment” dodger, you wouldn’t be so easy on them. I am not talking about legitimate deferments, I am talking about serial deferments like Cheney, Biden, and yes even Mitt.
I am not saying beat the drum of this, I am saying don’t let draft dodgers off the hook.
right2bright on September 2, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Biden is our gift.
TheSitRep on September 2, 2008 at 12:59 PM
you’re forgetting that you can’t use the hypocrisy rule against progressives. there are two clauses to the hypocrisy rule.
the first is “the only ethical failing which is universally valued is hypocrisy…”
the second is “…which progressives can’t exhibit because we’re too far advanced to adopt consistent principles.”
i mean, randi freakin rhodes has the exact identical service record as president bush.
eh on September 2, 2008 at 1:15 PM
This isn’t the Joe I thought I knew.
TheCulturalist on September 2, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Other issues we’d like to see the drive-bys address:
Rush says bin Biden’s son and brother are being sued for fraud.
bin Biden’s son’s lobbying firm took $3M from an Obama earmark, as reported in HA.
Are bin Biden’s brain surgeries more serious than McCain’s melanomas?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Akzed on September 2, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Biden’s staff calls the Israeli’s liars.
Maxx on September 2, 2008 at 4:59 PM
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