Reports: McCain camp only starting to fully vet Palin now? Update: 25 people vetted her, says Team McCain
posted at 8:05 pm on September 1, 2008 by Allahpundit
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True or not? I’ll give you the “facts” as I’ve collected them and let you decide for yourself.
1. A guy named Andrew Halcro claimed this morning that eight people from Team McCain are checked into the local hotel in Wasilla and are poring through records. Who’s Halcro? He’s the independent who lost the gubernatorial race to her two years ago, and who was quoted sneering at her inability to articulate coherent policies in this weekend’s NYT. Not worth believing, right?
2. Wrong. ABC and NBC are also reporting that McCain’s people are on their way up there to try to beat the press to any hidden dirt.
3. Marc Ambinder claims to know from sources inside the McCain campaign that they’ve already been blindsided by the fact that she requested earmarks as mayor of Wasilla, that she supports a windfall profits tax, and that she doesn’t believe in man-made global warming. I’m skeptical about the last two; her positions are easily researchable on Google, as is the fact that she initially supported the bridge to nowhere. But like I asked this morning, if they knew about the bridge reversal, why’d they let her tout it on Friday knowing that it’d end up being gotcha’d?
4. Rick Davis, McCain’s campaign manager, told WaPo this weekend that none of the final VP contenders were vetted more or less than the others and that all of them were subjected to a records review and FBI background check. Minor problem: The FBI says it didn’t do a background check on Palin (or on any other candidate, for that matter). Maybe Davis meant a background check equivalent to what the FBI routinely does for government employees?
5. Mark Halperin’s asking a lot of unanswered questions here that make it sound like he already knows, or has reason to know, the answer to each one is “no.”
Maybe McCain does know all the dirt already, like he apparently knew about Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy, and simply decided the upside was worth the risk. Or maybe he decided that since he was gambling the election by picking someone so inexperienced anyway, they might as well cut corners on the vetting on the assumption that there’s only so much trouble a hockey mom could have gotten herself into. I don’t think the public is so process-oriented that they’ll draw any sharp conclusions about his judgment in not fully vetting her; I think the risk is that she’ll die a death of a thousand cuts as the media exposes and then inflates a bunch of exceedingly venial sins (the Troopergate investigation being a notable exception), incorporating them into a larger narrative about how America can’t take a chance on a VP who might have outstanding parking tickets that no one even knows about. The point, in other words, isn’t to prove that she’s evil or corrupt, which she almost certainly isn’t; it’s simply to grasp at all available straws, no matter how short, and bundle them together in an “unknown quantity” narrative so that she’s perpetually on the defensive about such important matters as why she didn’t oppose the bridge to nowhere early enough. It’s the best possible contrast for Biden, too. Love him or loathe him, he’s been in D.C. since the Mesozoic Era. WYSIWYG. But Sarah Palin — did you know she served on the board of a 527 for Ted Stevens three years ago? Why, I’ll bet Joe Biden’s never even spoken to Ted Stevens.
Here’s the newest tidbit, straight out of the chute from ABC about a party Palin quit 12 years ago. Expect to hear the name “Robert Byrd” invoked tomorrow in the context of youthful political indiscretions subsequently forgiven by our progressive superiors. Exit question: Assuming, hypothetically, that I wanted to stop sniffing glue, this would be the wrong week for it, no?
Update: Politico puts it in perspective. The “ordinary gal” forcefield is a powerful shield indeed:
“Authenticity is the most important characteristic for someone seeking public office,” said Nick Ayers, executive director of the Republican Governors Association. “Any news that comes out about her is not going to hurt her because it reinforces the point that she is authentically one of us.”…
Even the governor’s own Troopergate scandal, in which Palin is alleged to have exerted undue pressure to fire a state trooper, is suffused with an element that many families can identify with: one sister stepping in on behalf of another in an acrimonious dispute with a brother-in-law.
Powerful media organizations are beginning to pour resources into this story, so much more damaging twists and turns may await. But assuming the accusations don’t grow more serious, it is of a considerably different nature as an abuse of power than the last Troopergate scandal to rock the political world — the one in which Bill Clinton was alleged to use his state troopers in Arkansas to procure women as sex partners. That wouldn’t excuse Palin’s actions, of course, but it would frame them in such a way that could limit the political damage.
Update: Team Maverick tries to soothe a jumpy blogger’s fraying nerves.
Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser, said the campaign always planned to send a “jump team” to the eventual running mate’s home state to work with the nominee’s staff, help with information requests from local and national reporters, and answer questions about documents that were part of the review.
Culvahouse said Palin’s review, like others, began with a team of two dozen people culling information from public sources. The team reviewed speeches, financial records, tax information, litigation, investigations, ethical charges, marriages and divorces, for a number of potential running mates.
For Palin specifically, the team studied online archives of the state’s largest newspapers, including the Anchorage Daily News, but didn’t request paper archives for Palin’s hometown newspaper for fear the secret review would become public…
Palin then was sent a personal data questionnaire with 70 “very intrusive” questions, Culvahouse said. She also was asked to submit a number of years of federal and state tax returns. The campaign also checked her credit.
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think people are more comcerned about the fact that she had sex outside of marriage actually.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:26 AM
Sex outside of marriage….yeah that never happens….lol. she was ina commited relationship. she is going to marry the father. do you know when he proposed? It could have been before she was pregent. They could have been planning to get married and then got with child. you don’t know anything about the relationship between her and her fiancee. So until you do drop it. I’m sure not one person her had sex with their fiancee before they were married….
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 2:31 AM
She’s not married and she hasn’t joined the military.
And she’s put her mother in an untenable position, and it puts the ticket in an untenable position. More ammunition to the loyal opposition. Not smart…
eanax on September 2, 2008 at 2:32 AM
Barack Obama is tarred for his associations with Bill Ayers, Ron Paul was tarred for his associations with the moderator of Stormfront, that’s how it works if you are planning on running for office.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:32 AM
further more what right is for anyone to be in someone else’s bedroom. They have none. It is one thing that has always pissed me off about both the left and the right. What I do in my bedroom or what a 17 year does in hers between tow consenting adults is NO ONES’ F** business. A bunch of gossiping hens and in the henhouse. nothing more
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 2:33 AM
We KNOW that Palin was vetted.
We KNOW that Hillary wasn’t.
Pythagoras on September 2, 2008 at 2:33 AM
Barack Obama is tarred for his associations with Bill Ayers, Ron Paul was tarred for his associations with the moderator of Stormfront, that’s how it works if you are planning on running for office.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:32 AM
Show me where the AIP set off bombs in the pentagon? Or where the AIP said that jews should be killed. A state rights group is not the same as a terrorist group nor is it the same as a white power group. Comparing the two makes you look stupid.
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 2:35 AM
I agree about the opposition, why arm them? Also it may matter to some of the older voters who have older ideas about some behavior. I could see some of those Hillary people or Reagan Dems who Mccain is trying to attract maybe taking issue. They are older, from a different generation with a different set of rules.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:35 AM
She’s not married and she hasn’t joined the military.
And she’s put her mother in an untenable position, and it puts the ticket in an untenable position. More ammunition to the loyal opposition. Not smart…
eanax on September 2, 2008 at 2:32 AM
She is engaged to be married. What untenable position? Your nuts…
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 2:36 AM
Reagan’s son is an atheist. Tell me how that should affect my view of Reagan.
Ronnie on September 2, 2008 at 2:36 AM
Associations don’t stick unless their is ideological union. I wouldn’t care the SF gave money to Paul if Paul didn’t shew he was anti-israel, racist with newsletters. I wouldn’t care if Ayers shook hands once w/ BO if BO didn’t share that America is broken/evil sentiment.
Spirit of 1776 on September 2, 2008 at 2:36 AM
To some people it’s an issue. They want to succeed form the Union, some people may find that unpatriotic, anarchistic.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:37 AM
Some people may find wanting to succeed from this great country as an idealogical move against America.
I have a problem with peple who want to succeed from this country, it bothers me.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:39 AM
What a load of bilge some people push out!
“Ron Paul is cool!” is no endorsement; in fact, her whole statement is the antithesis of any endorsement of anyone.
As for McCain dumping Palin: McCain is no McGovern, a moral coward who didn’t vet his veep choice and ran like a rabbit when the first “bad” sign came up.
One reason I support McCain is a feeling that he is a man of integrity. He would no sooner abandon her than he would have taken early release from that POW camp.
Integrity. It seems to be a vanishing trait in America today. Certainly neither Osama Obama nor Biden have shown much of it in their “careers.” Neither have their apologists in the media and elsewhere.
MrScribbler on September 2, 2008 at 2:39 AM
If you were a Far Left loon – yes.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:29 AM
So this is far right?
Platform of the American Independent Party
Introduction
We Acknowledge the Creator’s Gracious Gifts
The American Independent Party gratefully acknowledges God as the Creator of all and appeals to Him for help in protecting all He has graciously given us. With all these gifts comes the right to use them justly. Hence all such rights are the gifts of God as affirmed in our Declaration of Independence. These include the right to life and liberty.
Declaration of Independence Rights are God-Given
All rights are unalienable in that none have a right to take them unjustly. Liberty includes the pursuit of happiness, which is the possession and exercise of virtue. Liberty includes the right to use and claim as an individual possession any unclaimed thing received from the hand of God, in or upon or above the Earth. This right to any possession includes its entire use, that is, its exchange, control, protection, and entire disposition. And the first and greatest of these possessions is our life.
God-Given Duties to Individuals
God gave Man this earth to make of it a well-tended Garden, not to leave it an uninhabited wilderness. He gave us our lives—not to be lived to ourselves alone—but in love to one another. And the duty to love certainly includes the duty not to act hatefully towards others. Therefore, we have a duty to be at peace with each other. Our duty to love one another includes a duty to protect each other from unjust harm. We have further a duty to cooperate with each other in the fulfillment of these duties. Such duties are the basis for just government.
As the only creature made in God’s image and likeness, all men have an equal duty to love themselves and others to honor that image of the God they are commanded to love. To obliterate that image by unjustly taking a life is the highest crime that one may do to another. To take a life justly is the most somber obligation God ever imposes.
Our Constitution Enables Us to Protect Our Rights and Fulfill Our Duties
To secure and fulfill all God-given rights and duties, governments are instituted among men. To fulfill those duties and protect those rights, We the People of the United States of America ordained and established a Constitution for ourselves.
Rights and Duties of Association, Including that Forceful Association—Government
God created Man with two great dimensions, individual and social. In so doing He gave us the right to associate with each other to take advantage of our rights and to fulfill our duties. The right to associate includes the right to choose one’s associates, but does not include the right to force others to associate.
God has imposed on men a duty to associate in governments to put a justified fear into the hearts of evildoers. These duties are given for the good of all, but not to deprive any of the rights they are designed to protect! Governments should never commit the crimes they are created to prevent!
No association of men has any rights of itself, but only by reason of the rights contributed to it according to the covenant established among its members. That fundamental limit on associations includes the greatest and most forceful of all human associations—government. However, among all our rights we find those derived from our duties, for we all have a right to justly pursue our duties.
Therefore:
The Constitution: the Original Contract that America has with Itself
The American Independent Party is the party of ordered liberty in a nation under God. We believe in strict adherence to written law. We believe the Constitution is the contract America has with itself. Its willful distortion has led to the violation of our Tenth Amendment guaranteed right to limited government—which inevitably requires oppressive taxation. Its faithful application will lift that awful burden.
Freedom from “Liberalism”
Freed from the lawless oppression of Liberal rule, we may then compassionately and justly use our energy and ingenuity to provide for ourselves and our families. We will then establish truly free and responsible enterprise and reassert the basic human right to property.
The Protection of Life, and the Duties and Rights of Families
We believe in protecting all human life however weak, defenseless, or disheartened; we endorse the family as the essential bulwark of liberty, compassion, responsibility, and industry; and declare the family’s right and responsibility to nurture, discipline, and educate its children. We maintain that all humans are persons from the beginning of their biological development and especially deserve our love and nurture when they are weakest and most dependent.
Marriage Between a Man and a Woman
We insist that marriage is between a man and a woman and assert the role of the law in establishing and reinforcing the mutual rights and obligations of that God-ordained contract.
The Individual and Common Defense
We assert the absolute, concurrent Second Amendment guaranteed individual right to self defense against impositions by other citizens or our government, coupled with a strong common defense, a common defense which requires a national sovereignty not damaged by imprudent or un-Constitutional treaties.
Opposition to Illegal Immigration and Support of Secure Borders
We oppose all illegal immigration. We support secure borders and immigration policies inviting the best of the world to join us in freedom. We emphatically demand that our borders be protected against intrusions by that most straight-forward and practical means, a fence, reinforced by all the necessary manpower and electronic surveillance. We also insist that those who violate our immigration laws—be they illegal immigrants or their employers—be punished for their crime in a way that will deter them from future offenses.
Our Great Pro-Life Constitution
The Republic established by our Constitution is the greatest of all pro-life institutions. In the first place, it protects our lives from the impositions of foreign nations and internal disorder. Our Constitution in its Fifth Amendment also forbids the government to take life—or liberty or property—unjustly. The Fourteenth amendment requires all States to apply all the protections they provide for life equally to all visitors or citizens, and to all born or unborn persons within the territories governed by their laws.
Public Servants, Not Public Masters! All Governments Under God
We believe that all those who govern are the servants of God for the good of citizens. Therefore all governments are under God whether they like it or not! This is why we call those who rule in our nation, Public Servants. We will resist by all political means at our disposal the increasing inclination of our Public employees and representatives to become, ever more, Public Masters.
In consequence whereof, we call upon all men who value their God-given liberty to join us in pursuit of these political convictions.
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 2:40 AM
That’s fine. But there is no evidence of Sarah wanting to secede. What there is [abundant] evidence of is her desiring to expand Alaska’s ability to develop it’s natural resources and provide domestic energy to the country. That’s her thing. Which is a-okay with me!
Spirit of 1776 on September 2, 2008 at 2:40 AM
To some people it’s an issue. They want to succeed form the Union, some people may find that unpatriotic, anarchistic.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:37 AM
Show me where in their platform it says that. I just read it. It isn’t there.
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 2:41 AM
They are older, from a different generation with a different set of rules.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:35 AM
Yeah they are from a generation where people got married regualr at 17, 18 19 and had 2 or three kids by 21. Where teen pregency was the rule not the exception. I’m sure they will be so broken up about this…
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 2:42 AM
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:28 AM
The latest on Ayers/Annenbaum/Obama
And here…
And…if you wish to contribute to Stanley Kurtz’s research organization that is taking on the story;
then donate here!
Saltysam on September 2, 2008 at 2:46 AM
I find it difficult to believe that a “McCain supporter” is spreading misinformation about Palin.
How can you be a “McCain supporter” if you want McCain/Palin to fail?
Loxodonta on September 2, 2008 at 2:46 AM
Wrong Party, ummm it’s The Alaska Independent Party.
Try #7:
To seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:47 AM
And # 12:
To affirm and assert every possible right-of-way established under R.S. 2477 of July 26, 1866, before its repeal by the Federal Land Management Policy Act of October 21, 1976.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:48 AM
Again, where is the problem?
When the federal blanket comes off Alaskan soil, those areas can be drilled, or whatever else they want. That’s not secession by any measure.
Spirit of 1776 on September 2, 2008 at 2:49 AM
Already did, 2 weeks ago when Michelle first brought the story forward.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:49 AM
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:47 AM
That’s not secession.
Saltysam on September 2, 2008 at 2:50 AM
How does that equal wanting to secede?
Loxodonta on September 2, 2008 at 2:50 AM
To all those concerned over the child bearing of a 17 year old I want you to know the real enemy.
Protesters harassed two state delegations in St. Paul to attend the Republican National Convention Monday. Someone threw a rock through the window as delegates from Alabama rode their bus to the Xcel Energy Center, where RNC events took place. And masked protesters confronted and harassed the Connecticut delegation — several of them were spat upon, roughed up and doused with a mixture of water and bleach.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/leftist-protesters-attack-rnc-delegates.html
Do you get it NOW. The left is at war with us.
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 2:50 AM
Well the good news is that young 17 year old ms. Palin is going to marry the father. I am quite sure that will be a wonderful stable marriage. I understand the father even plays hockey. wooopeeee!!! Those kinds of marriages are wonderful places to raise children.
What a joke. Raising McCain? Bullcrap. Shot Down in Flames would be a better campaign song after this stupid decision on McCain behalf. I dont know if this guys finger should be on the button…he doesnt think too much. Yes i Know, he was a POW…I heard that once or twice or a billion times.
Roger Waters on September 2, 2008 at 2:50 AM
http://www.akip.org/introduction.html
“Political parties, both Republican and Democrat, dominate from Washington, D.C., and [don't] quite understand the political problems, or opportunities, in an arctic and subarctic country.”
Walter J. Hickel
“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.”
Joe Vogler
The platform of the AIP is, as one would expect, centered on Alaskan issues. Although it is widely thought to be a secessionist movement, the Party makes great effort to emphasize that its primary goal is merely a vote on secession, something that Party advocates say Alaskans were denied during the founding of the state. A plebiscite was, in fact, held in Alaska at the state’s inception in 1958, but AIP members argue that voting was corrupt and that residents were not given the proper choice between statehood, commonwealth status, or complete separation — something they say has been granted to other U.S. territories such as Puerto Rico.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:52 AM
How does that equal wanting to secede?
Loxodonta on September 2, 2008 at 2:50 AM
It doesn’t but that doesn’t fit their narriative so facts are ignored. I’m with ACE on this one I believe nothing people say anymore when they attack McCain nor Palin. we have entered a war of ideas and it appears from the news reports from the convention it is quickly getting physical. that’s ok. I’m a firm believer and practioner of the 2nd amendment. I’ll like to see those evil leftist obama supporting punks attack my 86 year old grandma. the rule of law would not protect their worthless hides…
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 2:53 AM
Roger Waters on September 2, 2008 at 2:50 AM
You shouldn’t play poker. You have a HUGE tell, even when hiding behind a computer.
Saltysam on September 2, 2008 at 2:54 AM
Donna Brazile was attacked as well, she was pepper sprayed, they are anarchists who are at war with everyone and anyone.
That’s my point, love it or leave it.
People who do not like America, albeit Far Left or Far Right, they are all problematic in my book.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:55 AM
Everything you point to is merely in tune with what Sarah has repeatedly said about allowing the state it’s own ability to drill, etc it’s state soil. I’m not concerned that as VP she is going to lead a secession movement, and neither should you be. It’s absurd.
Spirit of 1776 on September 2, 2008 at 2:55 AM
Well the good news is that young 17 year old ms. Palin is going to marry the father. I am quite sure that will be a wonderful stable marriage. I understand the father even plays hockey. wooopeeee!!! Those kinds of marriages are wonderful places to raise children.
Roger Waters on September 2, 2008 at 2:50 AM
yeah my mothers 42nd anniversy this week shows what a wonderful place it was to raise my sister and myself. Or MRS. Palin’s 20 year marriage or the other millions of happy marriages across the land brought on my the “curse” of the child…
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 2:56 AM
Ahem, the same loons protested at the Dem Convention last week. If you rmember Grif Jenkins was in the middle of their insanity.
Are you for real? You think Obama has something to do with this? Why don’t you blame Bush and the Clintons as well while you are at it…thye wre protesting both Conventions.
Anarchists in all stripes are what they are – loons.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:59 AM
Sure I do. There is more than ying and yang (Dems and Repubs) to vote for.
The problem is both major parties are doing a piss poor job convincing those folks who consider themselves Independents that their ticket is the one to vote for.
eanax on September 2, 2008 at 2:59 AM
http://www.foundingbloggers.com/wordpress/2008/09/video-rnc-bus-attacked-on-way-to-xcel-center/
disgusting…where are the police…?
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 3:00 AM
They are in essence a 10th amendment group who is tired of the abuse of the “interstate commerce clause”(particularly funny in relation to Alaska and Hawaii since the vast majority of their sundries are ICC) to preclude them from utilizing their state’s assets to maximum benefit.
If you have a beef with someone “close” to the candidate damning American “institutions” that in essence lock Alaska away from her wealth I’d love to have you do this level of research on Jeremiah “Goddamn America she won’t give me a payday” Wright….
and April it is secession dear….
after Barry nukes our economy you can expect to see a lot more talk of it nationwide across regional enclaves.
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:01 AM
I don’t think she will lead a movement while serving as the VP, i was disturbed that at one time she toyed with this Party.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:01 AM
shoving reporters into the street if its denver….
/s
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:01 AM
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:55 AM
Sorry to be lazy, cause I’m sure you’ve posted it somewhere.
Who did you want McCain to pick?
Saltysam on September 2, 2008 at 3:01 AM
I’ll let the chairman of the AIP debunk your claim about AIP
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html
She joined in the same year the AIP’s convention was in Wasilla (go figure). She left two years later. Guess she wasn’t impressed.
Ronnie on September 2, 2008 at 3:01 AM
Thank God the MSM and the Donks nail their candidates this hard though eh?
There is a similar movement in Hawaii even as we type by the way….
so that makes 15% of our states that actively want out in at least part….
the beat goes on.
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:03 AM
But I never supported Obama, I supported McCain, thus my concern.
And……
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:04 AM
As pointed out above, 38% of Alaska did. That’s a huge percentage.
What I’m trying to point out is that what Sarah Palin is focused on is development of Alaskan resources. It is no shock whatsoever that she might spend some time in a party that is centralized on Alaskan priorities.
I know that like a scarlet letter, but I can’t list the planks of the republican party w/out looking. And I’m certain I wouldn’t agree with them all. It certainly doesn’t dictate my own views. For those, I prefer self-expression, so let’s take Sarah’s expression in like vein.
Spirit of 1776 on September 2, 2008 at 3:04 AM
Bingo…at worst they want Puerto Rico’s deal….not that that’ll happen for the most part Alaska greatly benefits from their statehood.
I can see why they are pissed however.
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:05 AM
Good grief who allowed the Palin Derangement Syndrome loons in here?
Judging by the vehemence of their hissy fit and faux “concern” over Palin I’d say we’ve made a brilliant choice in selecting her VP. I’ve not seen such utter derangement since Reagan was POTUS.
LOL! McCain has hit a nerve.
GO MCCAIN/PALIN!
elduende on September 2, 2008 at 3:05 AM
eanax on September 2, 2008 at 2:59 AM
Since the race is tight. a vote against McCain is a vote for obama. You can crouch it anyway you want but that is reality. You either vote for McCain or you vote for Obama. You vote for a third party you vote for Obama. As simple as that. The reality is McCain or Obama will be our next president. You choose which you want. There are no other choices. None. Zep Zeda Aero. Those are your two choices. Make a choice. It isn’t hard. One you get full blown socialism the other you get a chance
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 3:05 AM
Surely there was an NRA member on the bus at the time. No?
Ronnie on September 2, 2008 at 3:06 AM
And Vermont. O’Reilly hammered Vermont for this behavior – them wanting to succeed from The Union, wondering what he will say about Alaska.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:06 AM
Yes, I’ve known it’s war for a long time. I’m old, old fashioned, poor, slow, and somewhat peculiar. I want to be free to be me for my remaining years. I do not want to be ruled by the local human rights committee.
Loxodonta on September 2, 2008 at 3:06 AM
Good grief who allowed the Palin Derangement Syndrome loons in here?
Judging by the vehemence of their hissy fit and faux “concern” over Palin I’d say we’ve made a brilliant choice in selecting her VP. I’ve not seen such utter derangement since Reagan was POTUS.
LOL! McCain has hit a nerve.
GO MCCAIN/PALIN!
elduende on September 2, 2008 at 3:05 AM
I would agree with you on that one. Palin 2016
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 3:06 AM
Are you for real? You think Obama has something to do with this? Why don’t you blame Bush and the Clintons as well while you are at it…thye wre protesting both Conventions.
Anarchists in all stripes are what they are – loons.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 2:59 AM
Yes I blame BHO. He has not come out and denounce the antics. his speech served only to inflame the idiots on the left.
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 3:08 AM
Oh honey you are obviously a newbie.
Before he picked her I and a few others fought off the McCain derangement loons…most people here at HotAir hated McCain. He was called McShamesty, the beat went on and on, like a bad novel.
And Huckabee, there was a ton of derangement against him and Ron Paul.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:09 AM
it helps when spreading hysteria to communicate effectively dear.
Wanting the option to get Puerto Rico’s deal and have some more control over your own resource exploitattion is hardly wanting to break off to “keep the slaves”.
Frankly I know this may well be hard for some who have not been up north to read, but Alaskans think it is pretty freakin’ pretentious for a bunch of granola munching moonbats down south the lock up her wealth in “national wildlife areas” to “protect” non-endangered endangered animals and/or maintain “pristine beauty” that is so pristine it is visited by less than 12 people a year.
You might even say they feel like a fiefdom….
if the Feds would give Alaskans oversight of what should be by rights their land this party would have all the moral voice of the CPUSA but a bunch of watermelons* will not let that happen.
*enviromarxists-green on the outside red on the inside
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:09 AM
Ronald Reagan and Rudy Giuliani were a Democrats and I don’t hold it against them.
Chakra Hammer on September 2, 2008 at 3:09 AM
elduende on September 2, 2008 at 3:05 AM
Bingo!
This is what scares the hell out of them. The old “Reagan conservatism is dying off” meme just flew away.
Palin, if she survives this, is the new, forward looking, young, bold face.
Call me a Palin conservative.
Saltysam on September 2, 2008 at 3:09 AM
I was actually a Major Rudy supporter in the Primaries.
Chakra Hammer on September 2, 2008 at 3:10 AM
Chakra Hammer on September 2, 2008 at 3:09 AM
Oh…give it up!
“Rudy,Rudy,Rudy,Rudy,Rudy,Rudy,Rudy,Rudy,Rudy,”
You need a new schtick!
Saltysam on September 2, 2008 at 3:11 AM
Loxodonta on September 2, 2008 at 3:06 AM
neither do i.
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 3:11 AM
I don’t blame Obama for the bus thing. Sounds more like something Ayers would do.
Ronnie on September 2, 2008 at 3:11 AM
if he has integrity he will say, “drill there, drill now”….
that and logging and mining is what it is all about….
imagine that a state bought for and based on resource exploitation wants to go back to work on as wide a scale as possible.
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:12 AM
The position from which the ticket can talk about unwed teen/young mothers and how damaging this has become to our country. This is something that conservatives have been able to speak to with credibility before but that opportunity is now gone.
As an aside, do you actually know the difference between “your” and “you’re’”?
eanax on September 2, 2008 at 3:12 AM
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly!
Chakra Hammer on September 2, 2008 at 3:12 AM
Well, that’s a change, at least you are not blaming McCain.
God knows he’s been trashed here repeatedly.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:13 AM
Before he picked her I and a few others fought off the McCain derangement loons…most people here at HotAir hated McCain. He was called McShamesty, the beat went on and on, like a bad novel.
And Huckabee, there was a ton of derangement against him and Ron Paul.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:09 AM
I didn’t particully like McCain myself. however the time for debate is OVER. The decsion has been MADE. It is McCAin/PALIN vs BHO/Biden. That is the choice and that is what we have. Palin gives me some comfort in my vote for MCcain. BHO is a death knell to freedom and individualism in this country. The choice is clear for me.
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 3:13 AM
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy!
>:D
He’s Da Man! I’m tellin’ ya.
Chakra Hammer on September 2, 2008 at 3:13 AM
I remember, so where my parents.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:14 AM
Exactly right. This is a war.
And we need to be ready. I posted this at the Boss’s site but it bears repeating so PLEASE check out these links:
We are working against a smear machine of the highest order.
Obama, Axelrod, Soros…ACORN…Kos/MoveOn…
It is a massive, MASSIVE machine that allows vile rumors to be sown while giving the appearance that the candidate is blameless.
They intend to smear McCain and Palin and then steal the election using ACORN (inelligible/dead voter turnout).
Is Barack Obama responsible for the anti-Palin smears? You bet, says Andy Martin.
Far from being the bringer of change, Barack Obama is a product of bare-knuckled Chicago politics.
Barack Obama…propaganda at its finest.
Oh and…
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13801
Don’t miss “Dirty Tools” and “Practice and Polish” on that link.
powerpro on September 2, 2008 at 3:14 AM
BobBarr Backers for O’Bama-because hey Sarah Palin’s daughter ain’t a virgin and she wants Alaska to have its 10th Amendment rights
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:14 AM
So what would you have said to the McCain derangement loons if the only source they had for a smear was the chairman of the AIP?
Ronnie on September 2, 2008 at 3:15 AM
I swear, they’re coordinating in teams of at least two. I wonder whether they have spread their user names and logins to their comrades so that keep at it around the clock?
Loxodonta on September 2, 2008 at 3:15 AM
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:09 AM
Don’t be so condescending and sanctimonious and don’t call me honey. I’ve been a commenter at HotAir before Michelle ever had an inkling that she would ask Ed Morrissey to blog here.
And again judging by the number of unhinged posts about Palin you’ve managed to post on this one thread alone I would say that you are about as big a fan of McCain as Obama is.
elduende on September 2, 2008 at 3:16 AM
You are preaching to the chior, I have always supported him, ask Allah or anyone here.
I had rotten fruit thown at me all the way….
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:16 AM
Enos the Barry O’bama “Punish my girls with a baby” ‘Moral Majority’ is down the hall and to the left….happy electing
Nice post to me on deism by the way champ.
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:16 AM
Same old talking point. It doesn’t work anymore. It won’t be the first time I haven’t voted for either of the two major parties and it won’t be the last either, I’m sure.
eanax on September 2, 2008 at 3:16 AM
Oh and about Palin’s Foreign Affairs experience:
Korean Press Gives Flattering Account of Palin (Japanese Text) Re: Her South Korean Connections
powerpro on September 2, 2008 at 3:16 AM
I had rotten fruit thown at me all the way….
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:16 AM
I threw fresh blueberries, so count me out of that.
Saltysam on September 2, 2008 at 3:18 AM
Whatever floats your boat, party hack…
eanax on September 2, 2008 at 3:18 AM
Ahem – you and Red Pill gave me the rah rahs for supporting John McCain….
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:19 AM
The position from which the ticket can talk about unwed teen/young mothers and how damaging this has become to our country. This is something that conservatives have been able to speak to with credibility before but that opportunity is now gone.
As an aside, do you actually know the difference between “your” and “you’re’”?
eanax on September 2, 2008 at 3:12 AM
Hmm. Let’s see Palin is going to get married. no unwed mother there. So the debate is still about unwed welfare mothers vs. family, marriage, two parent family. If you can’t see the difference I would suggest you stay out of the stock market. In fact if anything the argument is even stronger now. This is how conservatives handle the proble. they keep the baby, they get married, the entire family helps them. they do not get federal money, no do they get on the welfare doles, they certainly do not kill the unborn. The differenc between the left and right on how to handle this “curse” could not be clearer and only reinforces my vote.
Like cindy sheehan Gov Palin now has absolute moral athourity to talk about teenage pregency. Unlike Dan quale and Bush one. Gov Palin is walking the walk.
And as far as you aside. When people start pointing to spelling and grammer I know they have lost the arguement.
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 3:19 AM
I am not a McCain supporter. More and more I see McCain himself as the Bridge to Nowhere
As much as people here are certain how Palin will play out, I am not hearing great responses like I am seeing on HotAir. A co-worker who is a Hillary supporter had decided to vote McCain. That would have been her first Republican vote.
I asked here about Palin. She was disgusted. I asked how she will vote. She said she can’t vote Obama and now she won’t vote McCain. She could not see any comparison between Hillary and Palin. She considers Hillary to have a depth the national scene and Palin just a beginner.
If I leave out the hard core Obama suppoerters I deal with, I am finding no buzz about Palin. Just raised eyebrows or head shaking. Like: This is It?
Yep, some people are opening their wallets. Meanwhile, she was for it before she was against it. Shades of lieberman.
It was painful to watch Lieberman follow Gore’s lead in that campaign. I like Lieberman. I am certain he would not steal towels or silverware if he stayed at my home. Yet, he became a reed in the wind generated by Gore. No wonder McCain wanted him for his VP.
I don’t know Palin enough to feel anything as she modulates her beliefs to suit McCain, but I know McCain well enough to know he doesn’t like people who don’t like his ideas
McCain had to string along the other candidates until just before the convention or someone might have vetted his choice in greater detail than he did.
Now, while the other candidates for VP have been scoured clean, the convention and platform become nil, as the only energy will be the grinding sound of the press in its excited hunt to dig out the dust on Palin. While McCain bats away the zingers, the negatives will build
Palin could become an underdog and America’s sweetheart, but she could as easily become smaller and smaller and smaller
That is why I find it so easy to dislike McCain. He looks ready to kick the bucket. That means his VP choice must be confidence building. The focus on Obama’s vague dossier has been overshadowed by the Lady’s lack of dossier.
The MSM has been handed a hammer to use on public opinion. They will take apart McCain’s timing and verify every single step of the so called vetting. If the vetting is sloppy, McCain will look like a fool
entagor on September 2, 2008 at 3:20 AM
Bob Barr Backers for O’Bama-Because Sarah Palin did not sedate her daughter every day from 3:15 pm to 5:45 the next morning
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:21 AM
Folks we’re up against a smear machine of the highest order.
Obama, Axelrod, Soros…ACORN…Kos/MoveOn…
It is a massive, MASSIVE machine that allows vile rumors to be sown while giving the appearance that the candidate is blameless.
They intend to smear McCain and Palin and then steal the election using ACORN (inelligible/dead voter turnout).
I know I posted this elsewhere but truly, it’s worth repeating. Honest. So PLEASE check out these links:
Is Barack Obama responsible for the anti-Palin smears? You bet, says Andy Martin.
Far from being the bringer of change, Barack Obama is a product of bare-knuckled Chicago politics.
Barack Obama…propaganda at its finest.
Oh and…
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13801
Don’t miss “Dirty Tools” and “Practice and Polish” on that link.
powerpro on September 2, 2008 at 3:22 AM
Same old talking point. It doesn’t work anymore. It won’t be the first time I haven’t voted for either of the two major parties and it won’t be the last either, I’m sure.
eanax on September 2, 2008 at 3:16 AM
Well hopefully you don’t live in a battleground state…but you go and do you little protest vote and see how that turns out. I’ll bet you 1 million a third party canidate doesn’t win in NOV
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 3:22 AM
See you at Aunt Esther’s work camp champ…I’ll be the guy with ankle chains and bruised temples.
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:23 AM
Not only that, but this particular issue is a no go topic of discussion for the Repub ticket now.
eanax on September 2, 2008 at 3:23 AM
And when I shared the story about hanging up the picture of McCain for my Republican Grandmother – Nana – so she could look at him while she ate, I was crucified.
Actually my twin brother – the Oabam supporter – remember Saltysam? hung it. And my poor Nana was upset with my brother voting Democrat.
She’s still pissed off at my brother.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:23 AM
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:19 AM
I never threw anything but a fresh blueberry.
I don’t throw rotten fruit, unless it was thrown at me first. In which case, I throw it back and say, “I believe you dropped this”.
Saltysam on September 2, 2008 at 3:24 AM
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:23 AM
I do remember.
Saltysam on September 2, 2008 at 3:25 AM
Given a double entendre I used some may find this hard to believe but hanging the portrait of any politician who is still alive is *ahem* “meh” unless it is an active duty chain of command wall…..
JMHO
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:26 AM
You are right, you never supported John McCain. But many here are newbies, they weren’t around during the primaries so they have no history here.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:26 AM
Key phrase, there, Skippy. Keep at it. Going to is not present tense.
And why do you think they are “going to get married”?
eanax on September 2, 2008 at 3:26 AM
My Nana is in love with John McCain. To her he can do no wrong, plus I think she may find him attractive.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:27 AM
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:16 AM
eanax on September 2, 2008 at 3:16 AM
entagor on September 2, 2008 at 3:20 AM
Well your arguments seem very convincing. I guess I’m going to have to vote for anyone but McCain. LOL!
A trifecta of Palin Derangement Syndrome Loons. Give it up.
elduende on September 2, 2008 at 3:28 AM
for the same reason “shotgun wedding” has been a teen christian ritual going back to at least the early 1800s?
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:28 AM
entagor on September 2, 2008 at 3:20 AM
What state do you live in. I’m in north Carolina and from the reactions I have seen I would say the Palin pick has taken North Carolina out of play for BHO. McCain will win NC. I also lived in Pa and next to OH. I can say without a doubt that Western PA is strongly pro Palin and eastern OH is a strong blue collar dem stronghold is leaning for PAlin. She is playing great in MO, The South, and the Midwest. The Northeast not so much. I’m not sure of CO or NM. or MN but I hear good things from MI also.
so just wondering what state you are from?
unseen on September 2, 2008 at 3:28 AM
They said they were.
AprilOrit on September 2, 2008 at 3:29 AM
There *had* to be someone I guess according to laws of statistics….
Look vote for him or no….they yank Palin no pun intended we’ll all be seeing a lot more neo-socialist Barry posters around….thinkof the grinning posters in Full Metal Jacket
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:30 AM
Your disrespect for old people, and your spreading of the “kick the bucket” meme, demonstrates a lack of basic morality and decency.
Sometimes, it seems that it is not just infanticide that is being supported, but that we old people should also “rest in peace” as soon as possible. It’s disgusting. It’s almost like a death cult.
Loxodonta on September 2, 2008 at 3:30 AM
eanax on September 2, 2008 at 3:26 AM
It’s all such a mess, isn’t it?
All that aside, how do you suppose Palin is going to play outside of the beltway?
Saltysam on September 2, 2008 at 3:30 AM
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