Reports: McCain camp only starting to fully vet Palin now? Update: 25 people vetted her, says Team McCain
posted at 8:05 pm on September 1, 2008 by Allahpundit
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True or not? I’ll give you the “facts” as I’ve collected them and let you decide for yourself.
1. A guy named Andrew Halcro claimed this morning that eight people from Team McCain are checked into the local hotel in Wasilla and are poring through records. Who’s Halcro? He’s the independent who lost the gubernatorial race to her two years ago, and who was quoted sneering at her inability to articulate coherent policies in this weekend’s NYT. Not worth believing, right?
2. Wrong. ABC and NBC are also reporting that McCain’s people are on their way up there to try to beat the press to any hidden dirt.
3. Marc Ambinder claims to know from sources inside the McCain campaign that they’ve already been blindsided by the fact that she requested earmarks as mayor of Wasilla, that she supports a windfall profits tax, and that she doesn’t believe in man-made global warming. I’m skeptical about the last two; her positions are easily researchable on Google, as is the fact that she initially supported the bridge to nowhere. But like I asked this morning, if they knew about the bridge reversal, why’d they let her tout it on Friday knowing that it’d end up being gotcha’d?
4. Rick Davis, McCain’s campaign manager, told WaPo this weekend that none of the final VP contenders were vetted more or less than the others and that all of them were subjected to a records review and FBI background check. Minor problem: The FBI says it didn’t do a background check on Palin (or on any other candidate, for that matter). Maybe Davis meant a background check equivalent to what the FBI routinely does for government employees?
5. Mark Halperin’s asking a lot of unanswered questions here that make it sound like he already knows, or has reason to know, the answer to each one is “no.”
Maybe McCain does know all the dirt already, like he apparently knew about Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy, and simply decided the upside was worth the risk. Or maybe he decided that since he was gambling the election by picking someone so inexperienced anyway, they might as well cut corners on the vetting on the assumption that there’s only so much trouble a hockey mom could have gotten herself into. I don’t think the public is so process-oriented that they’ll draw any sharp conclusions about his judgment in not fully vetting her; I think the risk is that she’ll die a death of a thousand cuts as the media exposes and then inflates a bunch of exceedingly venial sins (the Troopergate investigation being a notable exception), incorporating them into a larger narrative about how America can’t take a chance on a VP who might have outstanding parking tickets that no one even knows about. The point, in other words, isn’t to prove that she’s evil or corrupt, which she almost certainly isn’t; it’s simply to grasp at all available straws, no matter how short, and bundle them together in an “unknown quantity” narrative so that she’s perpetually on the defensive about such important matters as why she didn’t oppose the bridge to nowhere early enough. It’s the best possible contrast for Biden, too. Love him or loathe him, he’s been in D.C. since the Mesozoic Era. WYSIWYG. But Sarah Palin — did you know she served on the board of a 527 for Ted Stevens three years ago? Why, I’ll bet Joe Biden’s never even spoken to Ted Stevens.
Here’s the newest tidbit, straight out of the chute from ABC about a party Palin quit 12 years ago. Expect to hear the name “Robert Byrd” invoked tomorrow in the context of youthful political indiscretions subsequently forgiven by our progressive superiors. Exit question: Assuming, hypothetically, that I wanted to stop sniffing glue, this would be the wrong week for it, no?
Update: Politico puts it in perspective. The “ordinary gal” forcefield is a powerful shield indeed:
“Authenticity is the most important characteristic for someone seeking public office,” said Nick Ayers, executive director of the Republican Governors Association. “Any news that comes out about her is not going to hurt her because it reinforces the point that she is authentically one of us.”…
Even the governor’s own Troopergate scandal, in which Palin is alleged to have exerted undue pressure to fire a state trooper, is suffused with an element that many families can identify with: one sister stepping in on behalf of another in an acrimonious dispute with a brother-in-law.
Powerful media organizations are beginning to pour resources into this story, so much more damaging twists and turns may await. But assuming the accusations don’t grow more serious, it is of a considerably different nature as an abuse of power than the last Troopergate scandal to rock the political world — the one in which Bill Clinton was alleged to use his state troopers in Arkansas to procure women as sex partners. That wouldn’t excuse Palin’s actions, of course, but it would frame them in such a way that could limit the political damage.
Update: Team Maverick tries to soothe a jumpy blogger’s fraying nerves.
Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser, said the campaign always planned to send a “jump team” to the eventual running mate’s home state to work with the nominee’s staff, help with information requests from local and national reporters, and answer questions about documents that were part of the review.
Culvahouse said Palin’s review, like others, began with a team of two dozen people culling information from public sources. The team reviewed speeches, financial records, tax information, litigation, investigations, ethical charges, marriages and divorces, for a number of potential running mates.
For Palin specifically, the team studied online archives of the state’s largest newspapers, including the Anchorage Daily News, but didn’t request paper archives for Palin’s hometown newspaper for fear the secret review would become public…
Palin then was sent a personal data questionnaire with 70 “very intrusive” questions, Culvahouse said. She also was asked to submit a number of years of federal and state tax returns. The campaign also checked her credit.
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Earlier today I was pretty bent out of shape about the pregnancy news, but now I am just pissed. Allah, you are really acting like a scared girl here. Grow a pair. This is all going to be fine if you all will not act like rats on a sinking ship like the Democrats want you to.
Let me tell you a story to illustrate what I mean.
This time in 1988, I happened to be at the RNC convention the day George Bush picked Dan Quayle for VP. Recall that Bush went into the convention behind by more than 15 points in the polls. Then the Quayle announcement came, and he not only made kind of an ass out of himself in his introductory remarks, but the reports of his draft avoidance hit almost immediately, as did the reports that James Baker had not been consulted about the pick.
It’s hard to even describe how tense and frightened 25,000 Republicans were that day and the next. I remember lots of people wearing buttons that FedEx was giving out, that said “Don’t Panic!” But in the back of everyone’s mind was, we have another Tom Eagleton here.
Then Quayle gave a really excellent speech to the convention, and of course the next night George Bush hit it out of the park with his “thousand points of light” speech. The polls miraculously tightened day by day, and at the end Bush was within 5 points.
Then Dan Quayle went back to Indiana and was almost literally mauled in a feeding-frenzy press conference. Democrats were chortling, but the rest of America was appalled, and the backlash was immediate and severe. Republicans were galvanized by Quayle standing up to the jackal media. Bush went on to win the election going away. And there was more ’stuff’ dug up on Quayle and his family after the draft stuff came out, and they even went after his wife briefly. Made no difference.
So I have been through this before, and seen it up close and personal. What has happened in the last 24 hours is NOTHING compared to what happened in 1988. John McCain is much closer in the polls than Bush was then. Sarah Palin herself has made a much better impression than Dan Quayle did, and she has a much bigger cheering section within the Republican Party (and among a lot of the PUMAs, who will see this piling on as simply more sexism by the media and the Democratic Party.)
I am telling you all right now, Democrats have to be TERRIFIED of this woman, or none of this trivial crap would have even come to light. DO NOT fall into the trap (Allah, this means YOU) of going all squishy because you think the McCain campaign might not have known all this stuff and should have. The way Palin’s announcement was handled was freaking BRILLIANT and will stand as one of the greatest tactical moves in history. And it depended on absolute secrecy. If the campaign had sent dozens of young Washington-looking aides into Wasilla and Juneau to comb through every newspaper article, police blotter, and college photo, the element of total surprise would have been lost. And that surprise is what took Barack Obama right off the front pages and into the cheap seats, where he still sits today, veritably screaming for attention. Democrats are falling right into the trap of wasting a ton of time trying to dig up minute pieces of dirt on Sarah Palin, while their candidate of “hope and change” has suddenly become yesterday’s news.
DO NOT take your eyes off the prize, folks. This, too, shall pass, and we will have a hell of a campaign to be excited about for the next 60 days. And now, thanks to Sarah Palin, we actually have a chance to win it.
Believe in her. She deserves it.
rockmom on September 1, 2008 at 9:20 PM
It will take a lot more than all this piddly shite to put us off of Palin. Politico is right. Contrast Palin to Hillary. Chelsea did not bring this kind of trouble. But Hillary is so manufactured and perfect. Only Nancy Pelosi outdoes her in plastic perfection.
But Sarah is, like Politico says, authentic. A bit messy. A bit organic. But real. The force is strong with this young one… Sarah, trust the force.
silverfox on September 1, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Last time I checked Ronald Reagan didn’t have to beat Chrissy and Keef….things were different then and the deck is very stacked….
were we running against Hillary I would agree because we would not be facing such long odds the press would be more fair but this is a battle of 100 men in a force versus 20….
watch 300 to see how the 20 can leverage….
shield to shoulder maintain ranks split up and go personal when the enemy is broken….
were the current GOP the spartans we’d start the fight by standing in a circle and throwing our spears at each other because Fred, Mitt, Rudy et al were not playing Leonidas….
sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Glue sniffing, bouts of manic depression, and on some rare occasions – following leads that others would miss.
Right_of_Attila on September 1, 2008 at 9:21 PM
It’s going to be fine.
In her speech, Palin just needs to be herself, and make an extended point about accountability in government, and why she and McCain can be trusted. She doesn’t need soaring rhetoric or anything complicated. Just keep it simple and remember this election is about trust.
indythinker on September 1, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Shouldn’t they have, somehow, gotten that out first?
All of this appears to be a reactive and not a proactive campaign.
SteveMG on September 1, 2008 at 9:21 PM
I’d ask you to marry me, except that you’re already a mom and taken by someone else.
Finally. Someone who actually MAKES SENSE around here.
Sakaki on September 1, 2008 at 9:22 PM
I question the timing.
Not really. But still, I support AP’s jumpiness, cause it’s getting to me too.
Enoxo on September 1, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Did y’all really think McCain just pulled a name out of a hat? Just because Sarah Palin is an unknown to many, even the regulars who frequent the center-right blogosphere, doesn’t mean she is unknowable.
As usual, a lot will be written and a lot of it will need correction. Man up, people.
Let’s give AP a group hug and some popcorn. The show just started.
Terrie on September 1, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Well said. I don’t have a problem with Palin beyond I wish she wasn’t stuck on the ticket with an untrustworthy old Washington sleazeball like McCain.
What’s that old saw? The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making people believe he didn’t exist. The greatest trick John McCain has pulled is making the GOP think Sarah Palin is the nominee.
The Palinmania has got to stop though…comparing her to Maggie Thatcher/the VPILF garbage…it’s juvenile. We would be mocking the left mercilessly if they were posting garbage like this. I’m surprised no one went looking for this gem..it’s the first movie quote I thought of after the 150th ‘Palin is so hawt’ comment:
Palinmania broken down to it’s essentials..(language and content warning)
Seriously, if you’re not going to respect her as someone’s wife and mother, at least respect the office she’s been nominated too.
austinnelly on September 1, 2008 at 9:24 PM
…. leading to the false claim that McCain picked Palin at the last moment, and it was a spur of the moment decision.
This isn’t the first time that false information, presented in a manner to get the desired result – achieved it’s objective.
wise_man on September 1, 2008 at 9:24 PM
They haven’t? Have you been paying attention since 2004? Hell, they went out of their way to fake documents to try to oust a sitting President for crying out loud! They were also in cahoots with the guy who was in charge of that Congressional page smear. They sat on that story to deliberately leak it at the right time. This is nothing new. They have been doing this, and suceeding at it, for years now.
I’m sorry, I thought we were all supposed to be voting for John McCain for President. Is Sarah Palin running for President now???
Exactly. VPs are meaningless. On Thursday of last week, we had McCain for President. Today, we have McCain for President. Yet, all of a sudden, Friday, I am told, everything has changed based on the meaningless VP pick.
Yes, she was a bone. To get conservatives to elect him. That’s it. But he is still the same John McCain with the same bad policies as he was on Thursday. He is going to govern the same way with a Lieberman VP as he is with a Palin VP.
That’s fine. I agree with the grooming the future idea. However, what makes you think that McCain’s Administration is going to be so successful to make the country forget all about how horrible they think the GOP did under the Bush Administration? Enough that they will want to keep electing Republicans in 2012, whether it be McCain again or Palin? Keep in mind, McCain would be working with a supermajority Senate and House. Which, if people remember, he has been working with for the past 8 years, crossing over and voting with Democrats on liberal legislation. He will have to do that again if he expects to get anything done. And you can damn well bet that the Democrats are going to be pissed off about losing once again and will work to block anything that McCain wants to do, save for liberal legislation. Which, from experience, we know that McCain is not all that opposed to doing anyway.
Lookit, I am not stupid. I know that McCain-Palin are light years better than Obama-Biden. But what is completely turning me off to politics and the right/GOP the last few days is the ridiculous Chris Matthews-esque worship of Palin. And the idea that a McCain-Palin Administration is supposedly going to be so wonderful working to get any kind of conservative agenda pushed through with a supermajority Senate and House. And then, after 4 years of the GOP taking the hit for what the liberal Congress is doing, that sets up 2012 for Democrats.
So there is no guarantee that Mccain-Palin winning in 2008 will set up Palin for 2012. In fact, she may be better set up if they lose and then she is not linked to a failed McCain-Palin Administration (as anyone involved with the Bush Administration is said to be tainted, even though the Bush Administration has not been that bad overall).
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 9:24 PM
I’m right their in the choir with you, rolling in the aisle. That’s the rub of a democratic republic. With a mobocracy or true democracy, we could just text in our votes. With this damn system, however, we actually got to work at it. Freaking founding fathers.
Cold Steel on September 1, 2008 at 9:24 PM
I vetted her on Google & youtube yesterday.
She’s good to go.
TheSitRep on September 1, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Absolutely.
AP is distressed about this because he wants to win. If he didn’t want to, would he be so frazzled?
He knows the consequences of an Obama victory as much as anyone.
SteveMG on September 1, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Ya, they should have anticipated that the Left and media would start lying about her not being vetted and that it would then be parroted by the Right in a panic. What were they thinking?
TheBigOldDog on September 1, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Great comment. Thanks.
INC on September 1, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Allahpundit
Is this a kind of vetting?
Is Karl Rove in on this?
Luntz?
No shock so far.
mary jo on September 1, 2008 at 9:25 PM
I’m taking about the mindlessness of supporters. Based on manufactured worship. For months. And we have criticized them soundly for it.
Michael in MI is pointing out that we are sounding as mindlessly worshipful as them. That’s a valid criticism. Can’t we look into a mirror when it’s held up, and laugh at ourselves just a bit?
Then defend Sarah just as fiercely as ever – from scurrilous attacks.
RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 9:25 PM
No, the story about her daughter’s pregnancy.
Not the leftwing smears.
SteveMG on September 1, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Cold Steel:
What is your point? Let me tell you something, I never loved Ronald Reagan. I was on the farm back then and the times were not happy ones for us. But I have learned over the years that the people who did love Reagan saw him as something bigger than life. They loved him for what he represented. They did not care about the failed marriage, the affairs, the deals with liberals in California, Iran/Contra..amnesty..none of that. They loved Ronald Reagan because he said America was a shining city on a hill. Our best days were in front of us.
Palin is no doubt flawed in many ways. Most people are. I am sure there are things about her that I would not be comfortable with. But her appeal is larger than life too. Will it last? Probably not.
But in November, we have a choice. Obama vs McCain. That is the focus. The rest of this is just noise.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 9:26 PM
and it was unanimous — she’s hot!
scrubjay on September 1, 2008 at 9:26 PM
This post and MiM’s comments have me convinced. You guys win. (I don’t like the vpilf comments actually myself).
But I’m going to have to go through the vault and express my red hot displeasure on every one of the posts that have “Fred Facts” on them. What a bunch of damned idiots we must have been to even think that was fun or cool.
Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Remember something else, with the holiday weekend no one is really paying attention to the news.
When everyone left for vacation Sarah was nominated and things looked great.
When they return tomorrow all they’ll know is that a bunch of crap was thrown at Sarah and all of it proved to be untrue.
This will further galvanize the base.
Religious_Zealot on September 1, 2008 at 9:27 PM
I’m envious.
Chakra Hammer on September 1, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Well, here’s a palate cleanser: Link.
Our magnificient guys and gals aren’t going to die in that damned place anymore.
SteveMG on September 1, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Excellent points. And of course, backed up with fact. Well done.
And here we go. Opinion based on no fact. Whatsoever. You are entitled to your opinion but it is, of course, without merit.
wise_man on September 1, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Someone I completely agree with. I don’t personally know Sarah Palin, but unless she has a real dead body hidden in a closet, all this dirt digging is only going to disgust me.
She appears to be the most authetic candidate we’ve had in years. She’s not the manufactured phonies like Hillary, Obama, and even GwBush.
I want to see the GOP take the momentum and change the narrative, and McCain is doing that with Gustav and the response. Continued digging and “vetting” of Palin does not serve a conservative purpose, and will not protect her in any way, as it only does the liberal’s work. Panic is not necessary. Let’s keep the narrative positive by looking for the good, and there is so much available let the drive-by media continue its visible decline when they go back on the attack.
mvargus on September 1, 2008 at 9:30 PM
And don’t forget our Allahpundit wrote a check to the McCain campaign on Friday. That should put to rest where his loyalties lie. AP takes a bit to get used to because of his naked honesty. Truth should always be heralded. I love HotAir exactly because it is not an echo chamber. We have people with disparate points of view and that is a great thing.
However, I would like to point out that ‘alphie’ is devoid of any points of view. She’s a troll.
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Let me ask you, man to man, do you think the base is “mindlessly worshipful” of this woman?
I don’t think so. The base is elated that this woman was picked because she’s pro-life, pro-gun, pro-Americana. If she doesn’t get elected, fine. If some skeletons come out of her closet, fine. But I’m thrilled to see this issues given a national stage and a large collection of the country roar in approval. Call me needy or naive, but I do like me some evidence of people still loving the core American values. This woman connects with people.
Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 9:30 PM
McCain at his worst is still better for this country than Obama at his best.
That’s what the election is REALLY about.
Sarah’s nomination just tells us that McCain is aware that he alienated his base and is working to fix that.
Religious_Zealot on September 1, 2008 at 9:31 PM
The difference is that Obama is ten times the campaigner Michael Dukakis ever was. And George H.W. Bush could rely on the good feelings about Reagan’s legacy.
This election is much more difficult for the GOP, no matter what the polls say now. Quayle was a drag on the ticket in ‘88, but Bush, with the help of Lee Atwater, was able to pull it out. This year we are facing an even steeper uphill climb. We cannot afford a drag on the ticket.
I don’t really expect Palin to step down. She is obviously driven by an ambition intense enough to let her sacrifice her own daughter. But if she stays on the ticket, she will almost certainly cost McCain any remaining (and quickly vanishing) chance of victory.
sauropod on September 1, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Can you explain all the distictions? Her official biography states that
RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Hmm, I see. But they have a right to tell me to react just like them, or else STFU and get out of the Party? I see how it works.
For the record, I haven’t been telling people how to react. I have been making fun of how they are reacting and warning them not to get cocky. In return, I have been told to STFU, get Chris Matthews about Palin or go away.
It’s ironic that AllahPundit made a post about Fred Thompson today, because this is exactly how many, many Fredheads acted about him. No one could dare criticize him nor criticize their Fredheadmania.
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Let me add I get the point about people being upset at AP, how that’s mindless worship. But that’s nothing new at all. Every dozen posts or so, somebody goes crazy about something. Happened with Romney’s posts, with Huck post’s, with Fred’s posts, just par for the course.
Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 9:33 PM
No, you win when you don’t give your opponents any ammunition.
eanax on September 1, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Without Palin the base isn’t energized.
If the base isn’t energized McCain loses for sure.
And Palin has already PROVEN (through a spike in fundraising) that she is HELPING McCain.
Any other view of the situation is simply spin.
Religious_Zealot on September 1, 2008 at 9:34 PM
That’s part of the point Terrye. The other point is credibility. Hyped grassroots-firestorms can sometimes jump political firebreaks and lap some fundamental constitutional principles. McCain-Feingold comes to mind. But I should stop, ’cause I don’t want to be accused of thread jacking. You did ask though.
Cold Steel on September 1, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Exactly, as I mentioned in an earlier post, the fact that Huck stayed in the primary race and peeled some significant protest votes from McCain, gave McCain the message that he would have give the conservatives something in order to win. The Sarah Palin pick was John McCain saying: “Okay, I hear you and Governor Palin is my gift to you as a promise.”
And what a freaking great gift she is.
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 9:34 PM
If he wants to win, he should be helping find ways to win the independent vote and they are very vocal about HATING any negative campaigning. Most of what AP is doing is finding out about an attack that he thinks is going to stick on Sarah Palin and posting it here.
How about finding the positives?
How about looking into ways that Sarah Palin can appeal to independents who are undecided?
Negative waves will not help the GOP this cycle. If we want to beat Obama we have to be the ones with a positive campaign around change and reform. If we let it go negative, either by attacking, or getting to enthusiastic about defending McCain/Palin, we lose the opportunity to dull the Hopey/Changey narrative that the Obamanation has been pushing.
mvargus on September 1, 2008 at 9:35 PM
and thereby trying to influence them
and thereby trying to tell them how to react.
Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Michael:
I do not think anyone said that McCain and Palin were going to do all these wonderful things or whatever you said, but we are in an election now and if you are going to support your candidate then you need to {you know} support them, not wonder if we would be better off losing.
I just hate that argument. In 2006 I heard that it would sit up the GOP in good shape to lose the midterms, get some discipline, whip them in shape. Well. We lost. And guess what, it was not losing that election that got people interested in politics in the GOP, it was Sarah Palin. Like it or not, people like to win. They like to be happy. They like to be optimistic. It is contagious.
If your solution is to just say we need to lose, then why bother trying at all? If things get sucky enough people will eventually come dragging back to the GOP. Yeah right.
They will just blame Bush and vote Democrat.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 9:35 PM
I know I felt that way — for a couple of days. I am being completely honest with you.
I think your characterization is much more accurate than Michael’s. But I’m glad he characterized it the way he did, as a caution to us.
RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 9:35 PM
I think what’s drawing all the cricism on Allah is that he sounds like he’s rooting for Palin to loose. The bad news for some is that this isn’t probationary vice-president candidacy. It is the real thing. She is ours now, like it or not. We will either win or loose with Palin on the ticket. I know its easy for me to say that because I like the pick and think she’ll be great. But that doesn’t make it any less true. We’re going to war with the army we’ve got.
We could sit around here and endlessly discuss McCain’s failings–ostensibly doing the left’s and the MSM’s (but I repeat myself) job for them. Alternatively, we can spend our time nuking the hell out of their guys and deconstructing their arguments against our guys. I prefer the latter.
Ask yourself this question Allah, and those who share his pessimism: can you honestly say that you know as much about Joe Biden after 33 years than you know about Palin after less than a year? I’ll help you out–no, you don’t. What does that tell you?
It tells me that you’re having much more fun sniping at Palin than you could have digging into Biden’s business and finding out where all of his bodies are buried. My God in Heaven, the man must have more kills than Jeffrey Dalmer.
Now I agree that Sarah Palin is much more interesting and easier to look at than Joseph Biden, plus you don’t have to go out and rinse your eyeballs after a hard day of reading made-up crap about her on DKos, DU and HuffPo. But I’ve got to tell you, I’ve been there too and they don’t need any more volunteers. They have a line that wraps around the block twice. We, on the other hand, could use the help.
Immolate on September 1, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Agreed 99%.
The 99%: I think the enthusiasm for Governor Palin is wonderful and will help the campaign a lot. I share that enthusiasm. But realistic doubts and worries must be confronted and handled, not just ignored, and not by simply attacking the messengers.
For example, the MSM is very powerful and can have a very negative impact on public opinion by what it reports and fails to report. For years, the MSM was promoting the most negative stories about the Iraq War, then it suddenly became silent once the Surge started working. How many months AFTER the surge starting working did a simple majority in the polls report they thought the surge was working? This presidential campaign has little more than 60 days.
The 1% disagreement: Can we still tease AP about being a Beta Male?
A sense of humor in this will also help.
Now, here’s your hanky.
Alright, then?
Loxodonta on September 1, 2008 at 9:35 PM
And it’s me, ftw.
Thank you very much ladies and gentlemen, I’ll be here all week.
See why the constant barrage of negativity is draining, Allah? Cuz 98% of it turns out to be nothing, like this.
nickj116 on September 1, 2008 at 9:35 PM
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 9:30 PM
+1
Cindy Munford on September 1, 2008 at 9:36 PM
You cannot win a fight without the risk of counterbattery.
well sans nukes and I kind of like Chicago for its pizza…but I digress.
Sarh Palin energized and unified the base.
John McCain>O’bama
That is all that matters for the next two months or we better start getting used to $ocialism
The MSM, Nutroots, and Team Barry are not apoplectic because they think they just won the race….they are going nuts because they just heard a big part of the GOP take a stand….
embrace that stand don’t fight it.
sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 9:36 PM
+1
+2
Nobody here is worshipping Sarah Palin. That’s for the followers of the Obamassiah.
I for one am tickled pink that McCain made such a gutsy move, and love how excited it has people. After the dreariness of the democratic “no chickens in any pots” democrat narrative, the Palins are a real breath of fresh air.
Sarah and Todd Palin are normal folks, hard workers, and seem like nice people. They are living proof of the American Dream, which is a concrete slap in the face to the ridiculous democrat narrative that we are in some kind of national depression.
funky chicken on September 1, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Thanks, I appreciate the frankness. Yours is an opinion I’ve learned to take a face value.
Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Cold Steeel:
What does Sarah Palin’s nomination have to do with firestorms and the Constitution? I just do not get the connection at all.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 9:37 PM
A few days since Palin was announced and the media’s doing everything they can to dig up some dirt on her. Anything.
And yet when Obama came out on the national scene all we got was “oohs” and “aahs”.
When very real scandals about him do emerge (BigOldDog sums it up as succinctly as anyone) the MSM does their level best to downplay them.
If ever you wanted proof of bias in the media, here it is.
Jay Mac on September 1, 2008 at 9:39 PM
You know I finally figured out why some in the GOP are jumping on this anti Palin bandwagon. Some want to force McCain to chose someone else
Sorry to disappoint it isnt going to happen. The delegates are all behind Palin
She is going to be the VP nominee. There is no chance of anyone else getting it
William Amos on September 1, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Thank you Cindy. Was that for the Allahpundit comment or the alphie one?
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 9:39 PM
mvargus on September 1, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Trust me, I am the eternal optimist but I have not problem reading the scuttlebutt that is going around, digest it and discuss it. I don’t want to be caught by surprise. I am crazy about the pick of Gov. Palin but I am willing to hear the dirt because the Dems will march it out in some form or another.
Cindy Munford on September 1, 2008 at 9:39 PM
I love the way you put that. You hit that like the angry fist of God (no link).
Immolate on September 1, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Part of the giddy-ness of many conservatives is that this is such a great and joyful surprise.
It’s like your mom told you that she would be serving brussel sprouts and, instead, served up a big bowl of ice cream.
Religious_Zealot on September 1, 2008 at 9:40 PM
thousands of comments but the quality has gone way down.
The one where the guy says allahpundit (who is only blogging here since the 1st post, while the commenter probably registered last weekend) should be fired because he’s trying to do his job – which is political blogging is my favorite though..
I don’t come here for the burning the lines up political blogging, (now even featuring mad 6:30 am posts, did you see morrissey today? wild man) it’s the 2 trolls and the mad misquoting ron paul supporter along with the occasional whining boys that keep me coming back for more… Not.
saus on September 1, 2008 at 9:40 PM
If you believe that, than you believe that Dukakis was the worst campaigner ever. Obama has been horrible as a campaigner. He’s great if he has a teleprompter, but is poor at best in debates, and has proven very gaffe-prone when making remarks off the cuff. Obama shot up in the polls because of 2 simple things
1) he was clearly not Bush
2) he was clearly not Clinton.
That was all, and as the campaign has lasted longer, much of the original “brilliance” has tarnished. Obama doesn’t have enough gravitas to keep the campaign going forever and as people get to see that he is an empty suit, he has failed to gain much traction in the polls. He polls well with liberals, but right now you could run a real donkey as the Democrat nominee and it would get about the same level of support. They are that desperate for the win.
We need to take the independents away, and doing that is going to require a positive narrative. Palin has the ability to bring that, better than most of the other names I saw on the short list. and Mccain has been campaigning very smartly over the last few weeks. Let’s support them, and try to help bring that positive message out.
mvargus on September 1, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Why not? There are plenty of people leaving the Democrat Party based on the behavior of places like DU, Daily Kos, Huffington Post and seeing the rabid Left in control of the Party.
If the same kind of rabid ‘you better agree with us and not criticize our candidates or else you suck!’ attitude starts to permeate on the right, have fun winning elections when you drive people away as well.
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Immolate on September 1, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Why bring Biden into this? People try and solidify their McCain/Palin feelings by beating us over the head with Biden. Did Mike in MI, MB4, and others say a damn thing about Biden? It’s a given that the guy’s a freak. Before you change tacks and throw Obama into this…. i’ll posit, he’s an over-hyped, religiously-bigoted, American-hating socialist. Does that give you better perspective?
Cold Steel on September 1, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Nothing has changed Michael. You don’t remember the rancor running up to the repub’s primaries?
Did we kill each other? No, we are still all here.
What’s driving this optimism, is the fact, that our system of a representative republic, enables a common ordinary person, to advance to the same position as Sarah Palin.
You pessimistic, weak kneed, back-bone-anchor-missing, toad-stool-pissing, mud-slinging-wall-sponges truly don’t understand this.
Not since Reagan has there been this much excitement….
… we cannot reinvent anything better than what our Constitution has provided us, but we can re-experience it.
We conservative optimists truly believe that.
You on the other hand, (some of you) are trying your best to piss all over our optimism.
I just hope that the north wind is not blowing to hard against your aim…. if you catch my drift….
…trust me, outdoor showers are not pleasant when the north wind blows.
Mcguyver on September 1, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Indeed, and not only is the going to be the VP nominee but she has inspired many to become very excited about an otherwise lukewarm campaign.
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Michael:
No one is telling you how to react or what to think or do. You are just uncomfortable with the reaction of people to this woman and so you want to hose it down, turn people off, get them to react in a way that you are more comfortable with.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 9:42 PM
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 9:39 PM
When your right your right and I think that was a twofer. I am finding that most of my posts lately are taking up for Hot Air. Maybe it is me but there seems to be a lot less fighting about the issues and more whining about the site. Maybe I will start some trouble. Huckabee!!!! See what happens now.
Cindy Munford on September 1, 2008 at 9:42 PM
+1
You guys really are so scared of MSM rumor-mongoring that you are ready to turn tail and run, and thus hand the White House to Obama?
Prepare yourselves for “mandatory” volunteerism and his “volunteer” domestic “security” forces, and all that entails. Or stand and fight for two decent Americans.
funky chicken on September 1, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Rock on!
Dittos.
The best commentary I have seen here, by far.
fred5678 on September 1, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Let’s see:
We’re nervous cause Palin wasn’t vetted-
was vetted-
is being vetted-
will be vetted-
drove a corvette-
took her dog to the vet-
has a son that will be a vet-
lives next to a vet-
uhm………….and she smiles too much……
FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 9:43 PM
OK, take a deep breath. I think she’ll have to address all this at her VP speech (on Wednesday?). And I think she will. I have fingers crossed, but I think she’ll be OK.
Fortunata on September 1, 2008 at 9:43 PM
And, apparently, she’s libertarian about her daughter’s behavior. This isn’t going to go away, folks. Try to spin it any way you like, but the spotlight will turn right back on Palin — her poor parenting, hypocrisy, and so forth.
If “25 people vetted” Palin, they all should be fired. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Thanks for handing a bigger stick with which to beat the McCain/Palin campaign over the head with and now give Independents doubt about both Palin’s and McCain’s judgement.
eanax on September 1, 2008 at 9:44 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/
What do we know about this Independance attack that is coming next?
Enoxo on September 1, 2008 at 9:45 PM
her poor parenting?
but Barry gets a pass on “I was a teenage junkie”?
Screw that WE HAVE CONTROL OF A NARRATIVE TOO.
sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Terrrryyeee:
Like it or not, Palin is joined at the hip to Sir of Maverick. That is my obtuse reference. He has perfected the use of populist maverickness in skirting the edges of constitutionalism and conservatism. This overarching projection that she will temper Maverick, or that she makes him palatable is befuddling. On a related note, if she “completes” him or is a subset of him, then that’s further worry in my mind.
Cold Steel on September 1, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Thanks Cindy.
But hey, even Huckabee and Mitt have buried the hatchet. That Palin gal has really shaken up the GOP and in a good way.
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Heh. I don’t agree with you, but I’ll give you an A for effort and for being clever.
nickj116 on September 1, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Just as a side, Gov. Palin looks EXACTLY like my high school TV journalism teacher…and yes, yes I did. Every single day. Ah, youth.
Weight of Glory on September 1, 2008 at 9:47 PM
I’m not seeing the “poor parenting”. Where is that? What are we, in the 19th century now, daughters must be locked up to guard their chastity –or maybe we’re just looking to Riyadh for examples of good parenting. Since we don’t know what went on this family, it’s a stretch to lay this off on poor parenting. I will make this comment again (I did earlier): maybe Bristol and Levi wanted to get pregnant. She’s 17 years old and he’s 18. Plenty old enough to decide what they wanted to do and not much Mom and Dad can do to stop it.
Bennett on September 1, 2008 at 9:48 PM
If the negative stuff was balanced with a real attempt to push a positive narrative which might help us win over the undecided and independent vote I would be as upset with AP, but I have seen no attempt by Allah to bring up anything positive. Worse, most of his posts are basic liberal talking points that aren’t going to stick. The pregnancy ones are a great example. Its transparently an attempt to peel Christains from a McCain/Palin ticket, but anyone who knows most Christains knows that such an attack isn’t going to stick. Obama already has pretty well turned that entire group off no matter what, and in the end the attack become exactly what it is petty. It was so obvious that Obama finally released a press release asking that Palin’s family be left off limits.
As I’ve already said, several times, if we want to win, we need to be postive. Gustav has turned into a huge opportunity for McCain and he’s using it well. We need to build in that, and the continuous watch for the next Democrat attack is wasting too many opportunities.
mvargus on September 1, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Please, you’re not comparing the critical commentary here with the likes of those places?
Second, those places are indicative of the left’s takeover of the party. It’s not just the comments at those sites; it’s the influence that those sites have on the Democratic Party.
No one seriously thinks that HotAir has influence over the Republican Party comparable to the DKos.
To state that one won’t vote for a candidate because he was treated unfairly is, frankly, childish. Especially since the poster in question is far, far more guilty or rudeness and arrogance than his critics.
SteveMG on September 1, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Yeah- you go with that line. Go ahead. Piss off all those moms who have faced the very same problem. Call them bad mothers. Go ahead mobilize them. Get their hackles up to vote for McCain/Palin.
FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Vetty good!
Loxodonta on September 1, 2008 at 9:50 PM
I think AP needs to get out of Manhatten a lot more often. Perhaps a hunting trip to Alaska?
SouthernGent on September 1, 2008 at 9:50 PM
I was just ribbing AP. There are other posts where I have defended AP for being a respectable atheist, unlike certain posters here.
DethMetalCookieMonst on September 1, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Cold STeel:
I like McCain and I think that the Constitution will survive him just fine.
It is interesting that Fred! Thompson could support McCain/Feingold and no one doubts his loyalty to the founding fathers.
So if Palin is “attached” to McCain, I am alright with that.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Nice Maverickguyver. The saner Democrats are probably saying the same thing about Obamacles, the next incarnation of JFK. Just like the Messiah hype makes a mockery of democratic politics, this Reagan-ette projecting lends the same affect.
Cold Steel on September 1, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Excellent!
Bob's Kid on September 1, 2008 at 9:52 PM
LOL, post of the day. Terrible, but still post of the day.
nickj116 on September 1, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Care to back those provocative comments up with any semblance of fact or persuasive opinion? Otherwise, you are just trolling for some attention.
And I would garner that most of us here were probably sexually active at or near 17 years old; does that make all of us victims of poor parenting? No, the fact that Bristol is going to KEEP the baby and get MARRIED to the father is a symptom of great parenting.
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Wasilla might be a good place.
He could got out with this crew: Valhalla.
SteveMG on September 1, 2008 at 9:54 PM
I predict after the GOP convention none of this brewha is even mentioned again.
William Amos on September 1, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Oh please. There isn’t a possible VP out there who isn’t ambitious (”sacrifice her own daughter”? Do you live your life in fear of what the left will say about you? She clearly doesn’t, but apparently she’s more gutsy than most), and there isn’t a single one who wouldn’t have been raked over the coals. At least she is someone conservatives can get excited about.
If McCain doesn’t have a chance with her, he sure as hell didn’t have one without her.
capitalist piglet on September 1, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Don’t you find it odd that she’s allegedly so strong-willed to accomplish as much as people like to point to, yet she isn’t strong-willed enough to set the course for appropriate conduct and behavior of her minor child under her own roof?
I don’t now what kind of conservative households you guys were raised in, but if I had fathered a child while underage my parents–especially my father–would have rung my neck. I had more respect for myself and my parents than to do something so stupid.
It’s impossible to talk to America about engaging in good parenting, and other such approriate behavior by youngsters, when you can’t get one of your own children to exhibit the same type of behavior.
Pretty simple.
eanax on September 1, 2008 at 9:55 PM
I think AP needs to get laid for an entire weekend.
Not that he’s not already, mind you.
I’m sure that sweet smell of “Everything just SUCKS!” is a real panty-dropper with the ladies.
just sayin’…….
FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 9:55 PM
FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 9:50 PM
One site I’ve begun to enjoy very much is noquarterusa.net. No kidding. If those folks are faking, they are damn good about it, and lots and lots of ladies are posting in the comments exactly what you said–it’s gonna backfire big time if they try to play the “what kind of mother is she” card.
funky chicken on September 1, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Seconds to all of the above. I’m happy with the Palin pick, I like everything I’ve heard about her so far, and I think all the negative stuff has ranged from absurd to reprehensible – but we’ve got a long way to go till November, and while it’s looking very good as of right now, there are lots of ways McCain and Palin could lose this thing… and nothing is more important than that they win. I think some of the Palinmania, both among we Hot Air posters and the general electorate, comes from a real sense that we aren’t doomed… that we might just save the country from Jeremiah Wright’s protege. And it’s not just a “feeling” that things are turning the corner – we’ve got some poll data, and the increasingly panicked behavior of the MSM and the nutroots, to base our optimism on.
I welcome the sober analysis of the pessimists that have been posting here. As to the value of enthusiasm, I suggest that the McCain campaign is unlikely to directly benefit too much from *our* pessimism (although I hope they have some professional pessimists on staff, or maybe read Allahpundit’s posts.) However, the campaign can benefit from our optimism, and the energy it brings to the base. We’re a long way from turning into the Obamabots, but a mob of excited, happy supporters showing up at the convention – and spreading the good vibes around water coolers and message forums – is exactly what the GOP needs right now.
Doctor Zero on September 1, 2008 at 9:56 PM
That’s very presumptive of you. (Pun intended)
I guess counting all the delegate votes does kind of seal the deal, doesn’t it?
Cold Steel on September 1, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Let’s see now, for Governor palin and her daughter: The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
For Senator Obama and his father: How do you?!
Is that the hypocracy that’s being talked about regarding this issue?
Loxodonta on September 1, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Cold Steel:
So what do you want them to say? She sucks McCain sucks let’s sit home and cry in our beer?
You know one thing I have always noticed about Republicans is the ease with which they turn on each other. They will knock half a dozen Democrats out of the way to be first in line to stick a knife in the back of another Republican. And then congratulate themselves on their willingness to abandon one of their own.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 9:57 PM
I have been listen to the delegates. Sorry to disappoint you but they are voting for Palin.
No one else will be VP for McCain.
William Amos on September 1, 2008 at 9:58 PM
How many daughters do you have eanax and what ages?
Immolate on September 1, 2008 at 9:59 PM
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