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posted at 10:40 pm on September 1, 2008 by Allahpundit
“I think they have to be held accountable… She has to be held accountable.”
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Christians are really big on the whole forgiveness thing.
Zealots are incapable of seeing anything other than black and white. That’s probably why liberals and Islamic terrorists get along so well.
logis on September 2, 2008 at 1:38 AM
No, please leave him alone.
freevillage on September 2, 2008 at 1:39 AM
is “it” at 6 feet yet…. yea…agreed. Who wants to send the e-mail?
jerrytbg on September 2, 2008 at 1:40 AM
I don’t think so. Unless Obama threw said daughter under the bus or out on the street.
JonPrichard on September 2, 2008 at 1:40 AM
it’s a match made in heaven you can be forgiven for damn near anything as long as you have power and move in lockstep in both….
I am really shocked their slow union was not quicker going back to the 1970s
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 1:41 AM
Doesn’t the fact that she is having the baby and going to step up as a mother show that she is in fact holding herself responsible?
twoarmman on September 2, 2008 at 1:42 AM
My point is that teen pregnacy in a supportive environment, whether Stanley Ann Dunham Obama or Bristol Palin, does not result in disaster for anybody. Bristol’s baby will be a blessing for the Palins just as Barack’s birth was a blessing for his family.
Teens “fall in love” and make babies, always been thus
clnurnberg on September 2, 2008 at 1:42 AM
The obvious difference! kudos!
jerrytbg on September 2, 2008 at 1:42 AM
shhhh don’t befuddle them with the logic that they are in fact living up to their values after an initial failure it is so much fun treeing 17 year olds.
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 1:43 AM
For the “common good.”
Connie on September 2, 2008 at 1:43 AM
You just don’t get it. The baby was punishment, and is nothing but a mass of flesh, a blood clot if you will. If she was really responsible, she would visit the nearest abortion clinic.
fossten on September 2, 2008 at 1:43 AM
What, you can’t take what you dish out? You’re pathetic.
alteredbeat on September 2, 2008 at 1:45 AM
in the name of hope and gay rights I guess according to freevillage….it all gets murky…..
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 1:45 AM
Where’s that post of MM/HA going nuts on a liberal personal life, LibertarianConservative?
Spirit of 1776 on September 2, 2008 at 1:45 AM
I thought FreeVillage was in favor of celebrating gays…it would have been between after all two consenting adults….
sven<—-confused
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 1:46 AM
I never did understand that mindset. oh well bye bye.
jerrytbg on September 2, 2008 at 1:47 AM
OMG, I so cannot take it. BTW, have you had your molars removed? Cuz if not, be careful.
freevillage on September 2, 2008 at 1:48 AM
which is what makes the self-proclaimed “desit” so funny….
according to natural law this is a good thing not a bad thing….a healthy baby will likely be born into a loving world and mankind will benefit from another mind working to make sense of God’s kingdom….
*deist* in his case means non-church going hypermoralist not adherency to God the clock/watchmaker
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 1:49 AM
Good night all. I enjoyed it. Except for the freevillage troll-thing.
fossten on September 2, 2008 at 1:50 AM
actually according to some Russian “cultural diplomats” Freevillage is on to something…I hear they expect extra renumeration due to the “friendlier working environment”…nice to know such research is ongoing eh?
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 1:50 AM
free village…what does a 1/2hr of therapy cost…I’ll buy…you fly. nite all.
jerrytbg on September 2, 2008 at 1:50 AM
See? That wasn’t so difficult.
Jim Treacher on September 2, 2008 at 1:51 AM
well “it takes all kinds”…..
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 1:52 AM
What do you have against S?
Jim Treacher on September 2, 2008 at 1:53 AM
freevillage with the gheyness! And it said Bristol was a whore. Oh, the hypocrisy!!
alteredbeat on September 2, 2008 at 1:54 AM
well FreeVillage is reading “How to Win Friends and Influence Bloggers”….
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 1:55 AM
It’s because of this attitude, this nonchalant appeasement to immoral behavior, that more and more kids are doing it. We tell kids, “well, it’s not good for you to do it, and please don’t, but don’t worry, if you do, we love you and look forward to helping you raise your child,” then wonder why they do it. We need to step up. Parenting is hard, no doubt, but we’re better than this. If you don’t know how to parent, ask someone who does, read the above book, or read the Bible, which has plenty of advice on the topic. Parenting starts from infancy. Parenting isn’t a matter of controlling behavior. It’s a matter of molding the child’s heart, or, as one book is titled, “Shepherding a Child’s Heart.” Quit deluding yourselves into thinking the fight’s over. I implore you, if nothing else, listen to either one or both of these sermons by Voddie Baucham. He’s opened my eyes immensely. I’m not here to be a jerk, really, I am not. I’m just trying to speak the truth according to the Bible as I know it. If I am wrong, I will be judged for it.
Send_Me on September 2, 2008 at 1:59 AM
Right on. Its the far left which fuels BO, along with the media. They are not going to follow the Obamessiahs example of course, since they are an entity apart, the real power behind the Dem party, so attack they will.
A collapse is coming, a house divided can not stand.
Benjamin9 on September 2, 2008 at 2:00 AM
Yes but after that has been done, the child still has to decide for itself, and you can’t control it.
I was not pleased to read Voddie Baucham’s attack on Sarah Pallin and “neocons” on his blog today. Despicable.
alteredbeat on September 2, 2008 at 2:02 AM
Liberals and IslamoFascists have some pretty extreme theological differences. But when it comes down to practicalities, they’re slowly realizing that they basically have the same approach. I hate to say this, but they do make a rather effective team.
The biggest difference is on the personal level. Islamists have to work to keep from vomiting over having to affiliate with the very behavior that they hate MOST about the West in order to achieve their ultimate goal. While liberals blythely and without a thought for tomorrow commiserate with people who would literally rather slit their throats than look at them.
logis on September 2, 2008 at 2:03 AM
Great. Discussion of an attack on our thoroughly decent VP candidate’s child had devolved into a discussion of sexual dentistry.
Trolls 1, Hot Air 0.
RushBaby on September 2, 2008 at 2:03 AM
I’m more cynical I think Barry is having his cake and eating it too and unless Barry reins in his kooks I get the feeling MAVERICK!* is gonna cut loose with his overall money advantage if you factor in the RNC and the PACs.
* John is loving the new AAMRAM……
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 2:03 AM
That’s why we’re here…..
*sigh*
anything to run interference against the calummic hatred of a 17 yr old…..
you missed
Bob Barr Backers for O’bama though
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 2:05 AM
Has never been my goal either here or anywhere else. I’m looking for new information or arguments to think them over by myself. I could care less what people on the internet think. Much less here on HA, where a significant percantage of commenters are simply in need of affordable medication.
freevillage on September 2, 2008 at 2:05 AM
Why even reply to this fools posts?..really it just pulls us all down into the gutter that he clearly belongs in! i say ignore him.
Bluestate_Blues on September 2, 2008 at 2:06 AM
Yeah, but freevillage achieved a personal breakthrough. I’d say it was worth it.
Jim Treacher on September 2, 2008 at 2:06 AM
What does it have to do with gayness? How mouth looks and operates doesn’t depend on gender.
freevillage on September 2, 2008 at 2:07 AM
Well, we’re here for you.
Jim Treacher on September 2, 2008 at 2:08 AM
Can you show me the New Testament passager that says “a parent’s duty is to quit her job, or destroy her kid publically for making an error and bringing a new life into this world”?
Thanks in advance I know you won’t let me down.
sven
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 2:08 AM
Sorry people, I’ll leave it alone.
alteredbeat on September 2, 2008 at 2:08 AM
That’s a pretty good opening line. What did he say after that?
Jim Treacher on September 2, 2008 at 2:08 AM
freevillage, you meant “I could [not] care less”.
Entelechy on September 2, 2008 at 2:09 AM
Well thank you Dr. I like a few different anti-seizure meds….oddly I can pay for them and still eat well and have a few centes left over for ginger candy.
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 2:10 AM
Thanks. Actually, I cannot thank you and others members of the HA anti-troll brigade enough.
Loxodonta on September 2, 2008 at 2:11 AM
Yack.
freevillage on September 2, 2008 at 2:11 AM
Drs Treacher and Sven in attendence….
tghe first step is admitting one’s problems….I think it made real progress this evening.
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 2:11 AM
pardon me sir, what the heck are you doing?
I’d wager…
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 2:13 AM
I know an Eastern European native here who would like to work on your English.
freevillage on September 2, 2008 at 2:14 AM
How was Baucham wrong? (I mean that sincerely. I’m here for a good discussion, not name calling or the like.)
Send_Me on September 2, 2008 at 2:14 AM
I dunno this last batch of trolls seems more driven….
if I did not know any better I’d say we’re being blogstormed and the Barry Brigades are nervous…..
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 2:14 AM
Well, what do you know? The guy’s a rabid misogynist… and now he tells us he doesn’t like women!
Not exactly the revelation of the century there.
logis on September 2, 2008 at 2:16 AM
I know a pissed off Ohioan that’s here typing who was expecting a lot more out of this hurricane after spending 36 or so hours out of the last 48 helping people prepare Mr. Merriam-Webster…..
I’ve urinated more than this “storm” has let out….
Kathleen Blanco needs “I am a retard who wanted to blame the war in Iraq for my inability to tell Willy Wonka to get off his butt and make things happen and bring down Bush”…..
the next person who sees Kanye West that is from the region should punch him in the mouth.
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 2:17 AM
Voddie Baucham has an interesting perspective on this. I’d like to know what the group thinks of it.
Send_Me on September 2, 2008 at 2:18 AM
a definite Barney Frank Republican to hear him tell it.
It’s evenings like this that make me glad there are people who think there is not a kulturkampf going on.
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 2:18 AM
Maybe McCain realized he could just give her a longer chain between her ankle and the stove.
Jim Treacher on September 2, 2008 at 2:19 AM
And they seem very coordinated.
But, don’t let me distract you from your patrol. You people are doing great.
Loxodonta on September 2, 2008 at 2:19 AM
Send Me: How about….Sarah I think you are precisely what is needed to protect this country from 4 years having a man who keeps comapny with some VERY “interesting sorts” be PotUS…..?
Any red-blooded American gal would say “I’m there Mav”
Maverick and Moose splashing Commies and killing Caribou
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 2:20 AM
proper parenting per DNC talking points:
Palin over a dark pit-”It puts the lotion on and rubs it in slowly!”
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 2:21 AM
+10
Seriously folks, alphie and freevillage are trolls. They’re not here to debate or add any useful insight to the discussion. They’re here to pick fights and draw attention to themselves. Responding to them gives them some sort of validation that for whatever reason they can’t get in the real world.
So, for the good of the board: Please Don’t Feed The Trolls.
It only encourages them to come back. As long as you serve up their validation and the attention they seek, they’ll just keep comming back for more and continue to hijack and de-rail threads.
SuperCool on September 2, 2008 at 2:34 AM
Frankly, I think it’s one of the stupidest and most presumptuous pieces of priggish nonsense I’ve ever read.
CK MacLeod on September 2, 2008 at 2:36 AM
I don’t get this view at all. Are you advocating God turn his back on sinners? Or is the prodigal son a parable about travel?
Spirit of 1776 on September 2, 2008 at 2:39 AM
Hey freevillage, fixed it for you, and I’m back in the fray.
………… want to go a few rounds?
I thought after the invasion of Georgia, you were running back home? What happened?
Besides, no matter how you try, this thread and all others are not about you, or Alphie, you just give us target practice for when the real fight starts.
Palin with McCain has already rocked your world. You prove it in every post. Just like…………. like…… a stuck pig squealing. (and yes, I will use that everytime, and you know why……… it fits!)
Seven Percent Solution on September 2, 2008 at 2:39 AM
Maybe so, but Jim Treacher’s patient attempts above have shown us just how two-faced freevillage is on the whole “not that there’s anything wrong with that” meme.
Liberals and leftists (yes, redundantly redundant terms, perhaps) will throw homosexuals under the bus just as fast as anyone else, when it suits them.
After all, as someone pointed out earlier, it’s all about the license. And IMHO, as long as they have license to do what they want, they could care less about anything, or anyone, else.
The reason why freevillage and alphie (and people like them) hang out here is because if they did go start their own blog, no one would read it, unless perhaps they started a diary on Kos.
Wanderlust on September 2, 2008 at 2:42 AM
That’s questionable, altered.
Relying on an imaginary being to help you resist temptation is doomed to fail.
Rely on your self and you have a better chance.
alphie on September 2, 2008 at 2:43 AM
Suffice to say, one can be a “red-blooded American gal” and not support McCain.
In regards to how much better a McCain presidency would be for the country, all I can say is: we’ll see.
Send_Me on September 2, 2008 at 2:44 AM
What led you to this conclusion?
Send_Me on September 2, 2008 at 2:47 AM
You know Andrei Chikatilo agreed with you Ralph….
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 2:49 AM
I do not see how ANYONE with Palin’s hobbies, beliefs, and skills could say “no” and embrace the notion of Obamanation….
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 2:50 AM
Who the hell is he to make those judgement calls for her frankly?
A Down baby is not a death sentence or an albatross. She has a supportive spouse and a staff. I don’t recall anyone telling JFK to drop out for his lobotomized sister eh?
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 2:52 AM
They’re the ones being fed upon. Don’t worry about it.
Maybe the idea that a woman with kids can’t possibly do the job? Turning your backs on the last 50 years of American history just because you don’t like Republicans? Little nitpicky things like that.
Jim Treacher on September 2, 2008 at 2:53 AM
It’s not about legislating morality. Generally, conservatives don’t care what people do as long as we’re left alone.
The problem with teen pregnancy is that many times it leads to dependence on the government. We don’t want to pay for someone else’s child.
The liberal answer is: “OK, we’ll kill them.”
However, many conservatives consider that murder, and immoral.
So the conservative answer is: “Don’t get pregnant when you’re a teen. We don’t want to pay for it, and we don’t want to kill it. So just don’t get pregnant.”
However, I don’t think many conservatives care whether a girl gets pregnant when she’s in her teens as long as the child is brought to term and is not a burden on the state.
The best way to make teen pregnancy a non-issue is to remove all government support and outlaw abortion. Tell me voluntary forbearance of sex wouldn’t increase under those circumstances.
jaime on September 2, 2008 at 2:56 AM
Alphie………. you remind me of the Jodie Foster’s character in the movie “Contact”. After all the bull, after all the arguements, she is given a second chance……. she is in the pod, she is hooked up to the equipment, she has been villified for her non-spirtuality…….. the door is closed……. the countdown begins…….. the podi is released and the first words out of her mouth…………. “OH, GOD!”
Here you are Alphie…….. walking into the unknow, cold sweat at a Repulican win, chill up your spin……. what then, …….. what then?
Seven Percent Solution on September 2, 2008 at 2:57 AM
The birth of Barack Obama has resulted in the loss of lots of innocent lives.. he was against the born alive infant protect act, and still protects the abortion lobby, maybe it would have been better if his mom would have took one for the team.. LOL
Chakra Hammer on September 2, 2008 at 2:57 AM
I know an American who would like to work on your concept of what it is like to be truly “free” and not what you read in a history book in Easter Europe.
Let’s go freevillage, let me know what it is like to be “born free”, having to fight everyday for that “freedom”, or having a “free” country give you your “freedom” because you couldn’t do it yourself, then have you comment and diss our “free” election, no matter how messed up they might be, and our support for Gov. Palin.
Why the silence? Can’t handle a debate?
……….. how about a game of chess?
Seven Percent Solution on September 2, 2008 at 3:06 AM
Hi Guys and Gals…I just logged on, have I missed anything?
Oh, I see that the “a woman can be anything-unless it’s a sucessful working woman with a family, stay out of our bedrooms Party” has decided to ATTACK a sitting Governor for carrying a special needs child to full term instead of following State Senator Obama’s preference to let the child die by allowing it to suffocate in a hospital’s soiled linen closet…
The Obambinites are just scared that Vice President nominee Palin will have “the one” in her 30.06 sights (figuratively) over the next two months…
POW/WOW ’08
Gohawgs on September 2, 2008 at 3:07 AM
I don’t know, seven.
McCain seems as liberal as Obama…and I doubt he’d let Palin actually do anything once she’d suckered the rubes.
A McCain presidency isn’t that scary…like spending a summer at your crazy grandfather’s house.
alphie on September 2, 2008 at 3:09 AM
I’m not advocating that God do anything. God is clear on what He expects, which is what we should teach our kids, not some damned* nonsense.(Deuteronomy 6, Ephesians 6:1-4, John 14:15, Romans 6:1-2, Romans 8:5-8, 2 Corinthians 5:17, 1 Peter 1:15-16, James 2:14-26)
*I chose this word for a reason.
Now, if our children sin, we are to love them, discipline them and bring them back into the fold. (Proverbs 19:18, Proverbs 23:13-14, Galatians 6:1-2, Hebrews 3:12-14, Hebrews 12:1-12)
Send_Me on September 2, 2008 at 3:10 AM
No, not much………. just the “second” shot at Lexington and Concord, aimed at a woman.
Read the thread, quite entertaining.
……. then run with it. I’m off to bed, then work in the AM.
…….. I’ll be back, we have the high ground, plenty of supplies, our powder is dry, …….. We have Gov. Palin on our side, and our enemy is leaderless.
Seven Percent Solution on September 2, 2008 at 3:14 AM
So how much of that is for public consumption? Let me put this way, if my daughter got pregnant and came to me and we dealt with those issues inside the family and the kids planned to get married, how would it look any different then the Palin situation? We don’t know. It’s a family issue, which belongs in their family.
Spirit of 1776 on September 2, 2008 at 3:17 AM
steel on target and outbound rounds fell for effect….
good job Jim
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:19 AM
Hi, I am a news junky. It’s 2:30 AM here and I’m scouring the Internet for McCain/Palin news. Can HotAir please hire some folks to either find or make-up news for those of us who decide not to sleep?
kerrhome on September 2, 2008 at 3:29 AM
To begin with, the stunted rendering of an imaginary conversation between McCain and Palin. Second, the presumption that Palin would, or that anyone else should, see the needs of her new child and her role in providing for them in the same way that “Voddie Baucham” – whatever that is – sees them. I won’t even go into the parallel presumptions that underly the paragraph regarding Bristol Palin.
Overall, the piece suggests a view of human life on Earth and of human beings that I find equal parts alien and pathetic. If our forebears looked at their lives and their responsibilities in that way, there would be no United States of America. Furthermore, if you, Voddie Baucham, or anyone else thinks that the lives of Sarah Palin, Bristol Palin, Trig Palin, or Bristol Palin’s child, among others, will be remarkably disasdvantaged on any level – emotional, spiritual, or material – compared to 99.9999% of all the human beings that have ever had the privilege or the burden to be alive, then you, Voddie Baucham, and anyone else in my opinion demonstrate precious little familiarity with the world, possibly deriving from an over-commitment to a peculiar set of religious or other idelogical precepts that verges on elemental derangement. In that respect, you have much in common with the regular denizens of places like the Daily Kos and other major leftist kook sites, and with most of the pathetic individuals known as trolls, or, often “concern trolls.”
CK MacLeod on September 2, 2008 at 3:30 AM
I think a lot of trolls are volunteering their services here yesterday & today to make up news.
Loxodonta on September 2, 2008 at 3:35 AM
So what are you advocating? Should we request that the Palin family expose the internal goings on of their family so you feel at ease that the daughter is being sufficiently punished? I’m sorry, but none of this is our business. You should be satisfied that this Christian family is doing the right, Godly thing in regards to their daughter and that this does not include informing you. I’m not able to think of a Bible verse that states that the Palin family (or any family) needs to expose how they discipline their daughter when she sins. Can you?
kerrhome on September 2, 2008 at 3:36 AM
Hotair-importing the freaks to spare you visits to the Daily Kook and Donk Underground for all your fever swamp needs.
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 3:39 AM
Alphie, to be honest, you make a good point…… and here is my thinking, for what it’s worth.
John McCain is, in the twilight of his life. He has served this country with distinction and honor for the most part, except when, in his later years, became friendly with the likes of Kennedy, Feingold, Leiberman, Ghramesty, et al……….
I am thinking that while taking a long deep breath, seeing the victory in Iraq that is happening before his eyes, seeing the constant e-mails and petitions to secure the borders, for stopping the incest that is ear-mark spending and government waste, John McCain looked at a room of elderly politicians, some with health problems like Kennedy, but they just could not give up the power, and he looked into Sarah Palin’s eyes……… after all the other political insiders, and made just one decision…….. “This is our best hope, our only hope, to change what is wrong with our government.”
Over the past eight years, you have seen the toll that has been taken on a truly decent man, President Bush.
He is not the devil that the left and MSM make him out to be. He is truly loved by the country, and his supporters. He has carried this country on his shoulders like no other since President Reagen, and you can see how it has aged him.
If anything happens to John McCain, I would sleep better at night, yes with my Bible and my guns if Gov. Palin was to fill the slot.
Sen. Obama and Biden are good at making speeches. But let me ask you this.
Name one Federal, State, or Local Goverment that doesn’t have a single case of fraud, waste, or abuse in it.
And if it does……… let’s say Obama is elected, you get your “Universal Healthcare”, and your child is killed by neglect, incompetence, or bureacratic delay……. guess what? You have no recourse. Gov. Palin gave her citizens recourse.
Alphie, that is why I pay attention to the detail and just not the speeches. For your family and loved ones, I suggest the same……..
……. until next time.
7%…… out.
Seven Percent Solution on September 2, 2008 at 3:39 AM
Alright, you seem to know a bit about the Kos folks, so perhaps you (or any other resident experts) can clarify some things for me. Why is it that they are so hateful, so fatalistic, and so desperate to mutilate anyone who opposes them? Frankly, the progressive bloggers at places like Kos and Think Progress scare me. It’s like they sacrificed their humanity in order to produce the most bilious and bitter remarks without remorse.
They grasp at ideals and denounce every plea for civility. Every criticism is met with scolding that, “The Republicans do it!” or, “If we don’t, it’ll happen to us.” Really, are they so paranoid and delusional that they feel that if they don’t attack every perceived threat with relentless ferocity that all will be lost? What is it that they want? Do they really believe in the positions they take? Do they seek power? Do they wish to see others lose power or suffer?
I’ve experienced frustration, anger, misery, and confusion in my own life. Most of us have, to some degree, for a variety of reasons. Are some people so fragile or impressionable that their experiences can convince them so fully that all who oppose them are evil and must be destroyed? Do they see non-believers as subhuman? I remember when their pontiff, the great Kos himself, came out during the primaries to say that Hillary did not deserve fair treatment on his site because of her history and positions. So, they believe that they alone can judge the worthiness of others to receive criticism with respect and dignity?
I guess my most important concern is: do these people matter? I worry that they are influencing politics, through sympathizers like Soros and spineless members of the DNC. Will the centrist Democrats simply submit to them? Do most Democrats even know about what is going on with their party? I see the views of the Kos people reflected in my peers, and it frightens me. I envision their ideal world as one in which I would not be worthy of a free and happy life, simply because I refuse to kowtow at the behest of any idealogue.
Melchiz on September 2, 2008 at 3:47 AM
He’s making the argument that according to a Biblical worldview, to which she aspires, that she shouldn’t be doing what’s she’s doing. As a pastor, as a Christian, why can he not make this argument? He sees in her a great inconsistency and is wondering what gives. One of the tenets of Christianity is to hold one another accountable, if nothing else. We are to call a spade a spade.
True.
I don’t think I’d want my staff to raise my kids, but that’s besides the point. I’m sure she and her husband have something worked out. I’m just surprised that as a mother she’d feel more compelled to take the VP job knowing what all is going on at home. That is an observation and question, not condemnation.
False analogy. Gov. Palin is responsible for her children. President Kennedy was not the guardian of his sister.
Verbatim? No. Some relevant verses though may include the following:
Proverbs 31, specifically the following: “She is like merchant ships; she brings her food from afar. She rises also while it is still night and gives food to her household. She looks well to the ways of her household, and does not eat the bread of idleness. She is not afraid of the snow for her household, for all her household are clothed with scarlet. Her children rise up and bless her; her husband also, and he praises her, saying: ‘Many daughters have done nobly, but you excel them all.’ Charm is deceitful and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears the Lord, she shall be praised.”
I do find it somewhat ironic: how would she have brought less public shame to her daughter, by not accepting the VP candidate slot or by taking it? But I digress.
Galatians 6:1-2 “Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.”
Colossians 3:18-20 “Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Husbands, love your wives and do not be embittered against them. Children, be obedient to your parents in all things, for this is well-pleasing to the Lord.”
Song of Solomon 8:4 “Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you: Do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires.”
Send_Me on September 2, 2008 at 3:56 AM
I think you are confusing public shame with attempts by Obama supporters to smear her daughter. There is a difference.
Loxodonta on September 2, 2008 at 4:02 AM
This verse may have some bearing. “It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil. And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.” ~1 Timothy 3:1-7
Send_Me on September 2, 2008 at 4:05 AM
You are not incorrect to be frightened and if they were trained they’d be truly dangerous. They live eat and breath politics with a secular zeal that we would have to reach back to the Jesuits for to match. Zuniga and his denizens worship the “progressive ideal” as a secular God.
Our side likes to think of the political struggle as a game of brinksmanship of competing groups and ideas to achieve a common goal…ie get a sewer built or make better zoning rules, but the KOSby Kidz look at politics on every level as a life and death struggle of good and evil.
It gives meaning to their otherwise soft existence.
To the KOSby the only thing worth fighting for is the absolute destruction of the right. They look at the right as evil for trusting in systems they find far too out of control and random to give goods and services to the electorate. Some are genuine communards whole others are merely classical fascists wanting to totally sublimate industry to national central control maintaining a synthesis of private and public “control”. To them politics is the ultimate vessel through which to inflict “fair” as the basic state of being.(and don’t remind them that the three most murderous regimes in the 20th century were founded on the four letter word “fair”)
Absolutely. The communist revolutionairies and nazis all had some sort of daytime gig. They go through life addicted to the grief mechanism and then look to ranting on the internet and in person and trying to game the political process as a catharsis. At the end of their tantrum they are still stoned, unlearned, unwashed morons but they use the blood literal or metaphorical of their foes as a sort of baptismal pick-me-up.
They absolutely matter since the James Bond villain SOROS took over the KGBs old role of funding our lunatic fringe. Truth be told the KGB were cheapskates and as such the “peace movement” never really took off here like it could have. Soros taps into late teen early twenty angst and uses it as fuel to hurt America as punishment for not gifting the world with all its wealth.
They rely on talking points, sloganeering, and memes because at the end of the day when cornered on a conversation they can’t quite explain to your with precision what in theory they are angry about and have a hard time positing any useful suggestions beyond “the government needs to do it man”. The fact is that with better leadership than Zuniga they could be a totalitarian force physcially impeding dissent with threats and physical intimidation. That they are not is not a sign of restraint but a sign of a lack of ruthless enough guidance to force their issue and Modus Operandi to its logical conclusion.
I take the fools deadly seriously despite my levity in posting style…..
the last thing we’d see in a world ran by Zuniga’s ilk would be a cell door if we were lucky enough to be gone before $ociali$m’s inevitable abbatoir stage.
Fight them at every turn, and speak the truth in as strong a voice as you can muster.
Sorry to be such a downer.
regards,
sven
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 4:10 AM
Alright, I’m hardly a qualified member of any clergy, but when it comes to the intellectual discussion of religion, I consider myself learned enough (BA in theology from one of the best schools for theology in the country, and for many areas of study, the world) to make the following criticism: Taking passages from the Bible, out of context, for the sake of making or refuting a point about social policy is foolish at best, and heretical at worst.
Regardless of your religious views (or if, for that matter, you do not follow any institution of faith), you must remember the the Bible is foremost an ancient book of wisdom. It is not a constitution, it is not a legal document, it is a collection of narratives compiled across centuries, namely for the purpose of guiding spirituality and discussions on wisdom.
Lifting passages from the Bible and claiming that they have some sort of meaning vis-a-vis something like teenage pregnancy discounts the depth and history of the texts in question. When you simplify something as complex as the Bible by turning it into a self-help book for Christian families, you insult its rich heritage.
I’m not telling you how to interpret the Bible, but simply providing you with some meaningful context so that you may reconsider your habits. Hell, unless you live by every rule in Leviticus, you shouldn’t throw something around from Proverbs, of all books, claiming that it has relevance to a woman’s professional career. Many discussions are interconnected between books of the Bible, or connected to points in history for its authors, so literal analysis is generally inappropriate, from an intellectual standpoint. For example, if you are going to discuss Proverbs, you should probably consider the counterpoints mentioned in its sister book of Wisdom, Ecclesiastes.
So, yeah. I’m sure my views aren’t going to make me popular with certain Evangelicals, but that’s fine. You should believe what you want, that’s not my business. However, if you want to bring up something like the Bible in an intellectual debate, be prepared to employ logic alongside your beliefs. Remember, theology without reason is simply cultism.
Melchiz on September 2, 2008 at 4:16 AM
Your guys just increased the size of the federal government 50% over the past 8 years, sven.
Project much, you self-loathing socialist?
alphie on September 2, 2008 at 4:16 AM
There’s more to “size” than monetary expenditure Ralph….
think much….
I have yet to see Bush dabbling in “BarryVision” of 300 new programs.
Why don’t you prove my post and explain the proper role of government as expressed in your blog to everyone?
regards,
sven
sven10077 on September 2, 2008 at 4:19 AM
No, I found your post very informative. There’s nothing depressing about confronting our concerns, and I appreciate your analysis.
I find it interesting that you mentioned the Jesuits. The Jesuits are, at least according to my experience, the last powerhouse of intellectual religious dialogue in the world. There are many brilliant individuals who are religious, but very few outside of the Society of Jesus commit their minds to thoughtful explorations of faith and its role in society. Now is the time of the secular society, which is engaged in battle against remnants of the Catholic Church (societal influence is rapidly waning), a Christian rebirth of sorts, and a tradition of Judeo-Christian values in law and government. It is the Jesuit order that seems to rest outside of this battle, lost in its commitment to improve society through education while pondering the workings of God and its mission to serve the Church. The Jesuits love the “pro-” ideals of the progressives, such as working to end hunger, disease, exploitation, and general human suffering. To do so has long been the mission of the Jesuits, but the progressives have stolen this banner from them, and the Jesuits do not seem fazed. The Jesuits also hold tradition views on families, the value of religion, and life.
So, really, the intellectual and humanist mission of the Jesuits has been co-opted by the kind of inversion of power morality discussed by the likes of Nietzsche. I am pleased that the Jesuits remain active, even as enrollment in their order declines. I was fortunate enough to attend a Jesuit university, but their mission and values, along with their pursuit of theology, may slowly be eroded by the likes of Zuniga and his minions.
Melchiz on September 2, 2008 at 4:33 AM
The same people who for years excused sex between a president and an intern in the oval office now want to blame a mother for her teenager having premarital sex.
The same people who still use “Move On” as an organization act like right wing Christians cannot forgive a parent for poor choices made by their child.
The same people who claim to want to advance women, and break the glass ceiling that has kept women for the highest office in America now want Sarah Palin to be a full-time stay at home mother. I guess the risk of a national leader who is effective at taking out corrupt leaders in either party is too much for their inside-the-beltway club to handle.
The irony of the charge of “hypocrisy” coming from the
pro-abortionpro-choice crowd should have conservatives laughing in derision.These fools may not be able to forgive a teenager for not having an abortion. These fools may say the US needs the Obama, so Bristol will have the right to let her child die in a hospital laundry closet, and lecture conservatives about morality.
I hope Bristol and her fiance are on the podium after Sarah “Barracuda” Palin accepts the VP nomination. At this point, simple justice would allow Bristol a speech at the convention to answer her mom’s critics who
Right_of_Attila on September 2, 2008 at 6:11 AM
… who are not fit to lead.
Right_of_Attila on September 2, 2008 at 6:12 AM
Well, the left believes in killing babies, so what’s the difference to them to sacrifice one more?
madmonkphotog on September 2, 2008 at 6:15 AM
You think this defines you as a good guy? Frankly I would rather see you have made a mistake like Bristol Palin, and have tasted from the pond of Humility.
This you might have a chance.. a slim one.. of being a good guy.
From your posts quite frankly I am still reading a sexually repressed gay man.
Noelie on September 2, 2008 at 6:45 AM
LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE how “ABC” would never say it, but…………GOLLY GEE Beav…if some bloated chauvinist, mouth breathing PUS BAG in the unwashed audience of an Obiden cultfest says it……..well then…..
WE GOTTA PRINT THAT nugget of wisdom.
seejanemom on September 2, 2008 at 6:48 AM
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