Oy: Palin’s daughter is pregnant; Update: Althouse on Palin vs. Edwards; Update: Obama tells media to lay off Palin’s daughter; Update: Media knew
posted at 12:23 pm on September 1, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Supposedly McCain knew. Did he?
The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.
Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin’s five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain…
Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter’s pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way…
McCain officials said the news of the daughter’s pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called “mud-slinging and lies” circulating on liberal blog sites.
And here’s the statement, via Team McCain, from Palin and her husband:
“We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us. Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We’re proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support.
“Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi’s privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates.”
Gathering my thoughts. Stand by for updates.
Update: It shouldn’t hurt Palin but it will, because like I said in my pessimism post on Friday, any sort of embarrassment that she brings to the campaign will be used by the media to push the Dan Quayle/disastrous gamble meme, whether or not the embarrassment’s her own fault or not. (They’ll spin it as a comment on McCain’s “judgment” in picking her.) The left, normally all for teen sex, will naturally use it as an excuse to call her daughter a whore in the guise of criticizing Palin herself for her position on abstinence-only education, which is why I’m thinking maybe McCain really did know about it: Per KP’s analysis, the nastier and more personal the left gets, the greater the risk of a backlash that benefits Palin.
Belated exit question: Anyone find it amazingly coincidental that Daily Kos went after Palin’s own pregnancy right out of the chute on Friday, with no apparent evidence whatsoever, and now we find out that her daughter’s actually pregnant? I usually scoff at the idea of party researchers planting memes with bloggers, especially since the nutroots is so paranoid about that happening on the right, but that’s a simply remarkable stoke of good luck on their part, no?
Update: A second belated exit question: Did they really release this to quash nutroots rumors, which were already pretty well quashed this morning, or because between Gustav and the convention it’s the perfect time to bury it?
Update: Between CNN wondering why the mother of a special needs baby would head off on the campaign trail and Alan Colmes rolling around in the sewer, the left’s been itching since the announcement on Friday to paint her as an unfit mother. Expect a lot of very solemn tut-tutting about how selfish Palin is to have accepted the nomination knowing it’ll only throw a spotlight on her poor daughter, even as they themselves ratchet that spotlight up to nuclear-flash brightness.
Update: Since the dirty laundry’s all coming out today, sources close to Palin tell David Brody that Palin’s husband was arrested for DUI 22 years ago.
Update: A commenter suggests a title for when they make a movie of this saga: “Juneau.”
Update: KP was ahead of the game:
A McCain campaign official tells ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos that McCain knew of Bristol’s pregnancy and “didn’t believe Governor Palin should be disqualified” from the vice presidency because of it. “If Democrats try to attack, it will backfire spectacularly,” the official said.
Update: The more I think about it, the more I think McCain probably did know. The timing is simply perfect to release the news: You wouldn’t want to do it on Friday, lord knows, when she’s getting her intro to the country, and you wouldn’t want to do it later in the campaign when it’s closer to Election Day or even later this week when it’d distract from her convention speech. Now’s the time to do it, when it’ll be no higher than the third-most important story of the day.
If I’m right, then the nutroots’s smears about Palin’s own pregnancy gave McCain an amazingly fortuitous pretext here. Now he gets to play the victim — “we had to do it to stop those dastardly left-wing bloggers from hurting the family” — instead of just someone making an embarrassing admission.
Update: Jonathan Martin says social cons won’t be happy about the news. True, but they won’t be particularly upset about it either. The left will push this hard thinking that it’s some kind of dealbreaker for the Christian right, but to believe that you’d have to fundamentally misunderstand where the Christian right’s main emphasis lies. Says Goldstein:
Many on the left will believe, quite mistakenly, that such an announcement is likely to weaken Palin’s support among “the hard-right conservative base”. But in fact, it will do no such thing — first, because the “hard-right conservative base” that liberal Democrats consistently invoke is largely a caricature that lives only in their minds and as a convenient trope in their rhetoric, from whence it can be trotted out as a foil and a boogeyman on cue; and second, because those energized over the choice of Palin include many disaffected libertarians and classical liberals who were, until the announcement of the Governor’s candidacy, set to either sit the election out, or else cast a protest vote for Bob Barr.
Update: And as if right on cue to prove my last point, here’s David Brody of CBN explaining why this won’t hurt Palin with the base.
I’m sure lots of people will take their shots at the pro-life Christian woman but hold on a moment. If you think Evangelicals are going to ditch her for this, you’re totally misreading the situation. As a matter of fact, they are ready to fire back at any potential critics…
Look, this development will actually be positive for the most part with Evangelicals. First they hear that Sarah Palin chooses the life option even though she had a Downs Syndrome baby and once again the family (and Bristol) has chosen the life option in this recent case. That’s a double “ca-ching”. Let’s call this the Evangelical daily double. If anything, this whole situation will probably make more people around the country relate to her and her family. It makes them more real. Will there by some turned off by the whole pre-marital sex thing? Of course but this type of story doesn’t sink her at all with Evangelicals.
Update: The boss notes the contrast with Obama’s notorious “punished with a baby” comment, something else that’ll make it hard for him to capitalize on this with Christians.
Update: Every post Althouse has written about Palin is worth reading, but this is especially sharp:
Oh, that looks like a meme. Sarah Palin must stay home with her special needs baby. Sarah Palin must stay home with her about-to-be-married, pregnant daughter. Ladies: Put your career on hold until everything in you’re family stops happening… Would a man forgo his career to be there for a family member who is experiencing an important life transition?
Remember when John Edwards decided to go on with his campaign after his wife got a diagnosis of inoperable cancer? Now, I think Elizabeth Edwards was probably excited about the campaign and wanted to go on with it. In that light, why are you assuming that Bristol Palin isn’t excited about her mother’s campaign? Unlike Elizabeth Edwards, Bristol is not facing her last days. She’s just starting out — all caught up in life. Presumably, she intense and positive about her pro-life beliefs, her love for the baby’s father, her impending wedding, and the new baby on the way.
Update: Needless to say, for a variety of reasons you won’t be hearing anything about this from Team Barry. But in case any more reason was needed, people are e-mailing to remind me that The One’s mother was also a teenager when she gave birth to him and married his father just six months before he was born. That won’t stop the left from attacking, of course — remember, the ostensible sin here is hypocrisy, not teen motherhood, even though the point clearly enough is to try to shame Palin with her daughter’s morals.
Update: And here’s NBC pushing the abstinence-only angle.
Update: For once, Dobson sounds the right note:
“In the 32-year history of Focus on the Family, we have offered prayer, counseling and resource assistance to tens of thousands of parents and children in the same situation the Palins are now facing. We have always encouraged the parents to love and support their children and always advised the girls to see their pregnancies through, even though there will of course be challenges along the way. That is what the Palins are doing, and they should be commended once again for not just talking about their pro-life and pro-family values, but living them out even in the midst of trying circumstances.
“Being a Christian does not mean you’re perfect. Nor does it mean your children are perfect. But it does mean there is forgiveness and restoration when we confess our imperfections to the Lord. I’ve been the beneficiary of that forgiveness and restoration in my own life countless times, as I’m sure the Palins have.
“The media are already trying to spin this as evidence Gov. Palin is a ‘hypocrite,’ but all it really means is that she and her family are human. They are in my prayers and those of millions of Americans.”
Update: Like I’ve been telling you all along, The One may be many things, but he’s no dummy. Consider this the equivalent of McCain’s “congratulations” ad last week: Classy, and also shrewd.
Mr. Obama, campaigning here, also noted that his own mother was 18 when she gave birth to him.
“People’s families are off limits,” he said. “People’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. ”
“I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories,” he added. “That shouldn’t be a topic in our politics.”
He vehemently pushed back against an unnamed McCain aide suggesting his campaign had any ties to the blogs that were spreading rumors before the news broke, saying he was “offended” by that and if any of his staff was involved in spreading the issue, “they’d be fired.”
Update: Your must-read of the day: Time reporter Nathan Thornburgh on how he’d already heard all about the pregnancy from people in Wasilla and how they — and he — agreed that it was nobody’s business but the Palins’.
All weekend they had the decency not to pretend that they didn’t know the governor’s eldest daughter was pregnant. But they also expected decency in return, that I wouldn’t be the kind of person to make sport out of a young girl’s slip…
As for the idea — sure to be floated—that the avowedly anti-abortion Palin may have pressured her poor daughter to ruin her life by carrying an unwanted baby to term, I wouldn’t bet on it. The Palin family seems to share the same pro-life values going back at least as far back as anyone here can remember, and it wouldn’t be at all surprising if Bristol wore those values, however imperfectly, as her own. At least, that’s what the town thinks. And Wasilla, above all, is pretty sensible.
Update: Lee Stranahan does the math for Trig Truthers: “Some people are still holding onto the fake pregnancy rumor. Let’s just do some math. Trig was on April 18, 2008 – about four months and a week ago. Bristol is said to be five months pregnant. Now, if you want to pretend that the five month date is a total lie then you’d also have to believe that the 17 year old had a Down’s Syndrome baby then turned right around and got pregnant again presumably because the first premature birth was so freakin’ awesome!”
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Your must-read of the day: Time reporter Nathan Thornburgh
Thanks for linking that, AP
RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 3:17 PM
uncivilized
what a triumph
God bless you all
Ryland
Obama has a 17 year old daughter?
mary jo on September 1, 2008 at 3:18 PM
I’m not supporting teenage pregnancy. I was talking about marital status if you look at the entire post rather than just one line of it.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 3:20 PM
Yes, Dave, I will bet most would.
That’s the difference.
Slublog on September 1, 2008 at 3:20 PM
I hate to do this, liberals already found it and are posting, but this squashes all the conpiracy that Trig is Bristols:
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=63524358
Here are photos on Levi’s (Bristol’s fiance) sister’s myspae… and in the photos are Mrs. Palin, and Trig… and Levi’s sister marks Trig as brother–meaning brother in law, through Levi–and not nephew which would mean Trig belonged to Levi.
Enoxo on September 1, 2008 at 3:21 PM
In other words, they are turning the matter over to their lackeys in the Drive-By media and nutroots blogosphere to continue the meme.
ManlyRash on September 1, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Yeah thats totally what she did /s
theguardianii on September 1, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Depends, is she planning to murder it or birth it?
Tim Burton on September 1, 2008 at 3:23 PM
You obviously don’t read my posts if you believe that I think politics is fair. My whole point for the past 4 days has been to point out that the left and the mass media still have plenty of tricks up their sleeves and will use all the lies, smears and half-truths to attack the McCain-Palin campaign, whether the attacks are true or not.
Read my posts, before assuming things about me.
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 3:24 PM
I am not as articulate as everybody here…my point is this.
this is a political moment to reaffirm the value of ‘the Family’ in America, & continue teaching the value of love & responsibility, instead of ‘mistakes’, condoms or eternal damnation.
lobosan5 on September 1, 2008 at 3:24 PM
That horse was already dead.
Even the kos robots acknowledged that it was all hoo-ha.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Most likely they would, you snide little weasel.
ManlyRash on September 1, 2008 at 3:26 PM
As I commented in the headlines for the Time article, I’m stunned and pleased that this reporter knew all weekend that Bristol was pregnant and had the decency not to rush to publish it as a “scoop” at the expense of the young woman. I am also impressed by his recognition of the townspeople’s innate decency and guilelessness. Instead of presenting them like rubes as most reporters seem to be doing, he seems to admire their openness. I hope Wasillans don’t learn to distrust the media the hard way (though they probably will, unfortunately). It is refreshing to read about their relative innocence as far as the media goes. They’re eager and happy to talk about their Sarah. I hope she doesn’t have anything to hide, because in a town that size, I guarantee someone knows about it!
aero on September 1, 2008 at 3:26 PM
No, it’s not unfortunately. They’re pushing it harder, because they believe Bristol got pregnant a day after having a premature baby.
Enoxo on September 1, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Parents are always going to blame themselves, I am just not willing to blame them myself. Just like a kid “won’t/can’t get pregnant” or “didn’t drink enough to effect my driving”. Shoot I can’t get one all the way through college and I have heartburn. I think this whole thing is a non-story but it is good to see a majority of support.
Cindy Munford on September 1, 2008 at 3:27 PM
by her dad this time or by the boyfriend??
they are a neat bunch
sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 3:28 PM
Good. Hope they run like hell with it.
Chasing that ghost like a bunch of wingnuts can only help show them for what they are.
Love it.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 3:29 PM
People make mistakes. Having sex outside of marriage and without protection to prevent disease and pregnancy is a mistake. It was Bristol Palin’s mistake and that of her boyfriend. This mistake was not the responsibility of Bristol’s parents or her boyfriend’s parents.
How can parents prevent such a mistake? Shall one of them, typically the mother, be available for 24/7 chaperoning? Or, how about chastity belts? Is this the new feminism? Most frequently, the decision is to employ the Pill. But while the Pill closes the door on pregnancy, it also seems to encourage unrestricted sex which can have negative psychological consequences for teenagers, and seems to be promoting high rates of sexually transmitted diseases.
Parents try the best they can to protect their children and teach them to make good judgments. What is one supposed to do when teenagers make a mistake like this? There are three choices: encourage the pregnant teenager to have an abortion, or put the baby up for adoption, or become responsible parents earlier in life than is desirable. I wish teenagers and their parents never have to face such choices, but they do.
Bristol and her fiancé have made their choice, and their parents are supporting that choice. I think they are making the best choice. My prayers are with them.
Loxodonta on September 1, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Best counterpunch of the day.
Hands down.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 3:31 PM
I wasn’t talking about what you were or were not supporting. I was addressing your statement of fact of our society today: teen pregnancy is no longer a scandal. Whether you personally believe that teen pregnancy is a scandal or not matters not. The fact is you are correct: our society does not frown upon teen pregnancy any more. That was the point being made by some commenters, that this may not be a good thing.
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Allah Pundit = NYT waterboy.
revolution on September 1, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Bravo Barack, that was classy.
nickj116 on September 1, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Obama would consider it Punishment.
Egfrow on September 1, 2008 at 3:34 PM
AP… the liberals think we’re deeply effected by this because you have “Oy” in your thread title.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×6865572
Enoxo on September 1, 2008 at 3:36 PM
Woops. There you go again. I didn’t say teen pregnancy was no longer a scandal.
Here’s the quote:
B.S. — Unmarried pregnancy is no longer a scandal. I have two sets of unmarried friends with children. They couldn’t be happier .. they live as a family .. they make comfortable livings .. and their kids are amazing.
(emphasis added for Mikey)
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 3:38 PM
I just read that Time article. WOW. Wow. wow.
Queen0fCups on September 1, 2008 at 3:38 PM
BS! If a wingnut titles a post: “Oy: Palin’s daughter is pregnant”
They obviously care:
Haha. I guess AP was deeply affected when Paris went to jail and we had that series of posts. Classic.
Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 3:38 PM
That’s why Obama has told Palin’s critics to lay off. This is an absolute loser of an issue for him. He cannot win the sympathy of the people because of his prior references to this exact scenario playing out in his own family.
samuelrylander on September 1, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Look, the KOS robots are going to run with anything they can. They’re nutroots for a reason, they’re freaking nuts.
Obama calling the press off the issue isn’t a classing move. It was self defense. If the press had followed up on the story, then the facts of the smears from his own base supporters would have become the focus of the story. Now we would love it if the Nutroots were given time and space on national network news to begin blathering like the idiots they are. However, the Masters of the DNC and the Obama campaign want the average American to believe that the Democrats are made up of reasonable people. It’s the right wing that’s supposedly extremist.
However, you get some spittle flying from a Kos supporter, which is relatively easy. Just say “President Bush has announced his support for Sarah and Bristol Palin.”
Kos Robot begins to tremble and screams. “Bush lied, kids died.” Spittle flies from his/her mouth and he screams about how 9-11 was an inside job. Guys, Obama doesn’t want them on TV, which is why he called the press off of this. It wasn’t classy, it was to keep the real secret hidden, his base is made up of a bunch of freaking kooks.
Snake307 on September 1, 2008 at 3:39 PM
The more relevant question is how would Obama react if he had a 17 year old daughter who became pregnant. His “punished with a baby” statement shows his reaction would be far from positive. He’d have her in a cab to the abortion clinic in record time.
Django on September 1, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Obama issued a good statement about this. Nothing about the behind-the-scenes origin of this would surprise me at this point, but he said the right thing.
His “followers” know this, of course – they are volunteering to do his dirty work for him (on DU), so he can stay clean.
And articulate, of course.
capitalist piglet on September 1, 2008 at 3:42 PM
revolution on September 1, 2008 at 3:32 PM
I am pretty sure it is his job to bring the news and present the various ways it will be represented. I don’t think we need to call names.
Cindy Munford on September 1, 2008 at 3:43 PM
This seals it. I have completely lost all respect for the media and the Democrats. After 18 months of confirmed issues with blatant racism, political corruption, sexism, associations with terrorist with a political campaign, voter fraud… the list goes on and on of important issues directly related to the campaign and the fitness of candidates to assume office… all of it was blatantly covered up and outright ignored.
But a pregnant teenager has now made headline news over a hurricane. Even after Barry’s announcement, the highlight items is an in depth discussion of Palin’s daughter and outright pushing that it should be a voter issue (while coyly denying it should be).
If Obama wins this election. I am moving to Iraq. At least there, there will still be a Democracy thanks to Republicans.
Damiano on September 1, 2008 at 3:44 PM
That is for to laugh.
ManlyRash on September 1, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Obama released a statement, ‘Palin should be ashamed of herself for letting her daughter be punished with a Baby! Thats just as bad as an STD! She should have talked her into getting an abortion and if she refused she should have just punched her daughter in the stomach to kill that thing!’
:]
Chakra Hammer on September 1, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Obama knows this is a ticking bomb that only hurts him and help McCain. He wants it dead and buried ASAP. I give him Kudos for pointing out his own mother had him at 18. That right there puts this nothing burger into the garbage heap for good.
mikkins on September 1, 2008 at 3:46 PM
I’m thinking that Obama has to be pretty worried about the nutroots right now. They’re out of control. And they’re also his base.
RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Jumbo shrimp. Appear invisible. Family values politician.
Way to injure your father’s political aspirations because you couldn’t keep your pants zipped, girl.
Dark-Star on September 1, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Took him long enough to say anything..
reactive not proactive, he isn’t a leader.
Chakra Hammer on September 1, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Not to mention the circumstances of his own not-so-immaculate conception.
Jim Treacher on September 1, 2008 at 3:50 PM
The theory on DU among some is that Obama is merely innoculating himself from criticism, but that he secretly loves this story.
The media and his groupies aren’t going to let this go.
capitalist piglet on September 1, 2008 at 3:50 PM
My girlfriend and I got pregnant in college and went to an abortion clinic to terminate the pregnancy.
While sitting there waiting our turn we both turned to each other and started crying. We asked for our money back and went home to prepare for a new life to enter the world.
Since then our son has been to college on full scholarship and an alternate as a heavyweight boxer on the 2004 United States Olympic Boxing team.
I like many have walked in their shoes. Unfortunately many others never had the guts to do the right thing.
winemkr on September 1, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Just because NY Times Waterboys are Beta Males, and AllahPundit is a Beta Male, does not mean that AllahPundit is a NY Times Waterboy.
LOGIC!
Loxodonta on September 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM
The only sure thing in raising teens is the surety they will screw up with some degree of difficult results.
The worst, kids are pursued by the justice system or have done something to warrant it or are killed doing something foolish or by someone doing something foolish .
The least, they screw up something academically or are unable to adjust socially.
Pregnancy is somewhere in the middle of those.
You can only hope to keep them alive and out of jail until they mature enough to fend for themselves.
This is nobody’s business but Levi’s and Bristol’s but it illuminates the abortion issue once again when the democrats would like to see it left alone.
Tony Soprano on September 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM
?
baldilocks on September 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM
“Behold, children are a gift of the Lord, the fruit of the womb is a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior, so are the children of one’s youth. How blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them; they will not be ashamed when they speak with their enemies in the gate.” ~Psalm 127:3-5
We frequently remind ourselves of this verse during times like this. I wonder though, why don’t we read other verses like these?
“Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you: Do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires.” Song of Solomon 8:4 (it only had to be said three times in this book)
“A wise son makes a father glad, but a foolish son is a grief to his mother.” ~Proverbs 10:1
“A wise son makes a father glad, but a foolish man despises his mother.” ~Proverbs 15:20
“He who sires a fool does so to his sorrow, and the father of a fool has no joy.” ~Proverbs 17:21
“A foolish son is a grief to his father and bitterness to her who bore him.” ~Proverbs 17:25
“Discipline your son while there is hope, and do not desire his death.” ~Proverbs 19:18
A child is a blessing only if the parents use their home to raise and train their sons to be godly Men and daughters to be godly Women. Otherwise, they grow up to be little hellions, to the dismay and bafflement of many. As for me, as a warrior, I don’t want a quiver of crooked arrows.
Send_Me on September 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM
That doesn’t really follow from what I said, ex. In this day and age, as most parents of teenage girls will tell you, the SUPREME parental challenge is keeping those girls sufficiently supervised into adulthood so as to prevent an unplanned pregnancy. Only an absolute fool (and I’m looking at you, mikkins) would pretend that unplanned teenage pregnancies are a GOOD thing. This isn’t something that should have to be explained to people who post on a conservative blog.
And if it ISN’T a good thing, as all rational people certainly understand, and to the extent it reflects on the parenting skills or the religious beliefs of the Palins (relative to their position on birth control), and I think it probably does, this can’t possibly be a good thing for the McCain campaign.
Infidoll on September 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Both of you?
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 3:53 PM
Wasn’t Proverb written by a guy who had a gazillion concubines? Just asking. :-)
baldilocks on September 1, 2008 at 3:53 PM
It does sound funny, but I like it when men share responsibility for the pregnancy in that way.
Of course, some take too far and have morning sickness and cramps, but . . .
Loxodonta on September 1, 2008 at 3:57 PM
This whole thing is a nonissue. The daughter of the second on the ticket is remote at best and won’t affect the voting. It’s Obama vs. McCain.
Stay on target.
EMD on September 1, 2008 at 3:57 PM
“Daddy. How many is a gazillion?”
“Well son, let’s look in the bible for the answer.”
Tony Soprano on September 1, 2008 at 3:58 PM
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Well then you switched the argument, because we were discussing teen pregnancy, not simply “unmarried pregnancy”.
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Oh man… this shouldn’t be an issue in the campaign, but it will be. I think this may have just sunk us.
RightWinged on September 1, 2008 at 4:00 PM
I think we’ll be just fine. This is actually going to galvanize pro-life voters even more.
Slublog on September 1, 2008 at 4:03 PM
Does the Palin Meme fit Biden too? When his wife died he had two sons did he not? Did he stay home to watch them or did he keep his job as Senator?
Rbastid on September 1, 2008 at 4:03 PM
Ditto. There appear to be some — a few — reporters out there for whom basic human decency trumps increasingly ugly leftist political ideology, and Nathan Thornburgh, at least in this instance, is one of them.
Nichevo on September 1, 2008 at 4:03 PM
Oh man… this shouldn’t be an issue in the campaign, but it will be. I think this may have just sunk us.
RightWinged on September 1, 2008 at 4:00 PM
It will subside in a day or two. You’ll see.
RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 4:03 PM
RW sorry about the strike
/fumblefingers
RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 4:04 PM
This is the sort of meat the MoveOn’s will eat as they trample over their candidates chances down the stretch to the finish. I hope this country passes up the chance to elect
MoveOnObama….Ozprey on September 1, 2008 at 4:05 PM
With respect, gotta’ disagree. Sharing the responsibility is a must .. but ‘they’ were not pregnant. Just had a conversation about this with a friend’s wife who’s seven months along. She sees it as a touchy-feely fad-phrase, and emphasized, with her husband’s agreement, that he was certainly not pregnant and could not know what it’s like.
Of course .. he has no interest in knowing firsthand. No sane man would.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Remember how Kerry tried to make an issue of Cheney’s gay daughter, and how well that went over.
tarpon on September 1, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Great comment by Byron York:
INC on September 1, 2008 at 4:07 PM
For whom will it be an issue, the left? If Republicans reject her for this, they are hypocrites. I don’t see that happening at all. Anywhere.
If she didn’t disclose this to John McCain, there’s a problem – and all indication are that he knew ahead of time (doesn’t that make you feel better? It did me). Beyond that, this is simply a demonstration of the fact that the Palins walk their talk.
The left will overplay this hand, as they always do. They look like they’re abusing a vulnerable 17 year-old girl – because they ARE.
capitalist piglet on September 1, 2008 at 4:08 PM
infidoll,
“That doesn’t really follow from what I said, ex. … the SUPREME parental challenge is keeping those girls sufficiently supervised into adulthood so as to prevent an unplanned pregnancy”
Actually, it does. Because the SUPREME duty of parents is not to prevent their daughters from becoming pregnant. It is to ground them in the Christian faith. If you would prefer a more secular priority, then the the SUPREME duty of parents is to give the children the resources and environment necessary to become responsible adults. That includes sufficient parental supervision. If those children/teenagers/young adults do not make the best decisions at every spot along the way, that DOES NOT necessarily mean that there was a parenting failure or insufficient supervision.
exhelodrvr on September 1, 2008 at 4:09 PM
This is nothing. Teen gets prego? Stop the presses! The leftie hate squads will do their shiddy little thing and do nothing but drive disgusted cold and hungry PUMA to the warm, welcoming shores GOPovia. Let the voters see who they really are.
ronsfi on September 1, 2008 at 4:10 PM
Why? Isn’t it about the sanctity of life? Would you expect Palin to announce to the world that her daughter is pregnant the first time out? How about family loyalty and well — what any mother would do — protect her children?
Nichevo on September 1, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Yawn…..
Please if you will, tell me where, anywhere, I said teen age pregnancy is a good thing. Ya cant, You have to make stuff up out of thin are to try to defend your point. Only a fool would believe themselves to be able to micro manage and monitor a 17 year olds life.
Once again, tell us how it is we are all failing our children if they happen to make a mistake. You seem to have elected yourself some sort of guru on the subject so please defend your point of view with facts and suggestions on how we all could do it better. You’ve obviosly have found a way to manage your kids lives to the point of perfection judging by your comments.
I can assume you have children………right?
mikkins on September 1, 2008 at 4:12 PM
Goddamnit motherf*cker. That is my reaction to this after getting home from golfing.
If McCain knew this beforehand, he really is a maverick. I know its not an issue, but I can’t imagine it will help us. Ugh.
jimmy the notable on September 1, 2008 at 4:12 PM
There was also plenty discussion of marital status, and that’s what I addressed.
In the future, if you could let us all know what we’re allowed to comment upon, and what topic areas would constitute an illegal “switch”, it’d help out a lot.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Descent people are going to think this is nobody’s business. However, it is being splashed around so much that everybody is going to know about it. Descent people are going to think that such publicity is a shame. Descent people are also going to be supportive of the decision to have the baby and get married, as well as the Palin’s reaction.
Of course, it would have been best not to happen.
And the reaction from the Left says a lot about them.
Loxodonta on September 1, 2008 at 4:14 PM
And just to be clear, I could care less that Palin’s daughter is pregnant. She’s got five kids of her own, its obvious that friskiness runs in the family. Faithfulness also runs in the family, as Palin has been with the same man her whole life. But still, why in the world did McCain bring this headache on us?
jimmy the notable on September 1, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Thornburgh’s assumption that the teen mother is pro-life aligns with her hometown’s opinion where there are no secrets, being a small town.
Wish them well.
maverick muse on September 1, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Dude, you must lead a charmed life — no one in your extended family was, um, in a “family way” before marriage?
It happens in the best, most religious, most uptight of families — it’s the culture we live in.
Why did McCain bring this “headache” on us? Ask Obama. It’s the perfect counter to his continued half-truths about his abortion beliefs.
This is life in these United States right now: deal with it.
Nichevo on September 1, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Oh bulldung ONLY if WE let it….
we have to FIGHT people and we have to stop taking for granted the press will EVER aid US….
talk to people explain that although less than ideal they are deraling with it honorably….
for God’s sakes why do we let the opposition set the rules for how we percieve ourselves….
keep your heads up your eye on the ball and always wear your gameface
I REFUSE TO BELIEVE BRISTOL PALIN SHOULD SHOW MORE JUDGEMENT THAN AN ADULT MAN WITH A LAW DEGREE DOES HIS CHOICE OF FRIENDS!
sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 4:24 PM
You descrive most of (young) Europe of today.
Not only that, but when his father married his mother, apparently he was already married to another woman.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Entelechy on September 1, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Well, I do. Not that it changes the way I feel about Sarah as VP. I’m behind her 100%.
I agree that all this shows is that kids, even good ones from good families, do make mistakes. Yes, it was a mistake, not the child, but the choice to have premarital sex. However, it contrasts the character of liberals who would abort/murder the child, with the values of a good Christian family who pull together to do what is right for all concerned. If anything, it only solidifies my support for Palin as VP.
I worry all the time about my daughter (10), (and my son, for that matter) because our society (through liberal media/organizations, NEA) is constantly working against the values I am trying to instill in them. They (kids today) are bombarded with imagery and lyrics from television, movies, music, books, magazines, SCHOOLS, that tell them that sex before marriage is the norm, it’s fun, is good, just be SAFE and it is perfectly alright. They don’t teach that there is no such thing as SAFE SEX outside of marriage.
Without going off too much (more), I think this highlights the dangers our children are led to by our liberal culture. Not to relinquish my responsibility in any way, but parents (good ones, like the Palins and my husband and me, I hope) can only do their very best to teach their children, but in the end, it is the child’s choice, and when the overwhelming message from outside sources, even those of authority like SCHOOLS, is contrary to the parents’ message, teens, who tend to think their parents are out of touch anyway, very often make bad choices (premarital sex) that too often lead them to worse ‘choices’ (abortion), also promoted by the liberal culture.
Long story a little less long, this makes me want someone like Sarah Palin in a position of leadership all the more. Someone who is living with the results of our permissive culture, and handling it with grace and strength, will be more likely to tackle these problems (however they may be able). At least that is what I hope.
While I do not condemn Bristol in any way, (not my place, trust me) I also do not think the notion that “hey, it happens all the time; we’ve moved beyond thinking it is scandalous” is really the way this sort of news should be received, of a VP candidates daughter or the girl down the street or in our own families. It was a mistake! She wasn’t using good judgment and really should have listened to her parents. While I admire her for keeping her baby, and respect her for that, I hope she is at least a little embarrassed, and even ashamed at the position she has placed herself and her family in. Unwed (teen or other) pregnancy is not a good thing, even if it isn’t uncommon. I have a sister who experienced it in her mid twenties. I love her and admire her so much for having the guts to have her baby. Trust me, the thought of telling our father is…well, I thank God I never had to do it. Still, I do think she was stupid (and wrong) to get there in the first place, and I think she knows it. And so as not to be hypocritical, I was just as stupid and wrong in my twenties, only luckier.
That said, abortion would have been evil (and in the case of Bristol, while far less importantly, politically devastating). It is a hard line to keep; encouraging teens to be honest about their mistakes in the face of possible embarrassment, so that they do not chose abortion as a way to save face, while still not making as if it is “no big deal”, but somehow it needs to be kept. It is a big deal, or should be.
Sorry for hogging the soapbox, not that anyone actually read all that. This thread is going so fast, I can’t keep up.
pannw on September 1, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Ya know what they say, only someone who believes in something can be a hypocrite.
- The Cat
MirCat on September 1, 2008 at 4:27 PM
S/b – You describe most of (young) Europe of today.
Entelechy on September 1, 2008 at 4:28 PM
You describe most of (young) Europe of today.
Sorry, J. Treacher, that I fail to use “preview” :(
Entelechy on September 1, 2008 at 4:31 PM
“Mommy, what’s a hyperbole?”
“Well, daughter, it’s an intentional exaggeration used for rhetorical flourish.”
“What about slang, Mommy?”
“Real or made-up words used for the same purpose, my dear.”
“Why do pinheads exist, Mommy.”
“For the purpose of contrasting example.”
baldilocks on September 1, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Like I said, I could care less about the pregnancy. But the fact that with 8 weeks left in this race we have to be answering stupid questions about a stupid pregnancy and it is a complete distraction and will not help us. So its the culture we live in. So the daughter of the potential VP has about as sound judgment as Britney Spears’ sister. Yeah, no problem at all. I get it. People have sex. Sometimes they get pregnant. If they’re christian, that means they get married. I just think this is a sh*tty time for this all to come out, and for McCain to have picked Palin knowing all of this (even though it absolutely does not reflect on her at all), it just makes me think he’s trying to sabotage the race.
jimmy the notable on September 1, 2008 at 4:33 PM
The thing is there is probably something on everyone that could and would come out when they were picked for this job.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 4:35 PM
First and foremost:
Props to Barack for stepping up on this one. Well done, sir. In reward for having the stones to have class on this, I will suspend my thrashing of your candidacy within this thread, so long as you actually make good on your statement and see to it that the people associated with your campaign who have been feeding this cesspool all weekend are fired.
mikkins, I wish I could agree that his statement will put an end to it, but considering that this was the big issue on CNN as soon as I turned on a TV today, I highly doubt it.
Damiano on September 1, 2008 at 4:35 PM
Funny that men pressuring, even threatening, pregnant women into abortions is never attacked by the pro-abortion side.
andycanuck on September 1, 2008 at 4:35 PM
jimmy:
I don’t think it will have the effect you think it will.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 4:36 PM
I hope it doesn’t. I guess I’m just overly paranoid. After all, Juno was a big hit, right? I honestly believe that movie has let to more teen pregnancies than anything in recent memory.
jimmy the notable on September 1, 2008 at 4:38 PM
“Mommy, what’s a hyperbole?”
“It’s the opposite of lowperbole”
Tony Soprano on September 1, 2008 at 4:39 PM
I read it.
May this be an entree into the issue of “it’s no big deal,” perhaps? Responsibility, and all that?
Nichevo on September 1, 2008 at 4:39 PM
I hope you guys are right. FWIW, I’m usually the least pessimistic, and often get annoyed by the pessimism of “the pessimistic blogger”, but this one does worry me. But again, I just hope you guys are all right:
How dare you!
RightWinged on September 1, 2008 at 4:40 PM
If Roe v. Wade had been the law in 1961, would Obama have been aborted? Given the left leaning politics of his mother, that would seem to at least be a possibility. While I’ll certainly not vote for Obama, I am glad he was not murdered.
ksm on September 1, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Should have had a warning tag: Never read Baldilocks’ posts while drinking.
Still coughing.
+1
Loxodonta on September 1, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Notfernothin .. but I think this might be jumbled up a mite. Don’t be attributin’ stuff to me that I ain’t said.
Golldernit.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Okay, I’m settled down, and here’s my own exit question:
If Olbermann attacks this, does he get fired?
jimmy the notable on September 1, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Oy = yiddish for enlightened. A little elitist isn’t it?
Fuquay Steve on September 1, 2008 at 4:52 PM
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