Oy: Palin’s daughter is pregnant; Update: Althouse on Palin vs. Edwards; Update: Obama tells media to lay off Palin’s daughter; Update: Media knew
posted at 12:23 pm on September 1, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Supposedly McCain knew. Did he?
The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.
Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin’s five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain…
Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter’s pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way…
McCain officials said the news of the daughter’s pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called “mud-slinging and lies” circulating on liberal blog sites.
And here’s the statement, via Team McCain, from Palin and her husband:
“We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us. Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We’re proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support.
“Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi’s privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates.”
Gathering my thoughts. Stand by for updates.
Update: It shouldn’t hurt Palin but it will, because like I said in my pessimism post on Friday, any sort of embarrassment that she brings to the campaign will be used by the media to push the Dan Quayle/disastrous gamble meme, whether or not the embarrassment’s her own fault or not. (They’ll spin it as a comment on McCain’s “judgment” in picking her.) The left, normally all for teen sex, will naturally use it as an excuse to call her daughter a whore in the guise of criticizing Palin herself for her position on abstinence-only education, which is why I’m thinking maybe McCain really did know about it: Per KP’s analysis, the nastier and more personal the left gets, the greater the risk of a backlash that benefits Palin.
Belated exit question: Anyone find it amazingly coincidental that Daily Kos went after Palin’s own pregnancy right out of the chute on Friday, with no apparent evidence whatsoever, and now we find out that her daughter’s actually pregnant? I usually scoff at the idea of party researchers planting memes with bloggers, especially since the nutroots is so paranoid about that happening on the right, but that’s a simply remarkable stoke of good luck on their part, no?
Update: A second belated exit question: Did they really release this to quash nutroots rumors, which were already pretty well quashed this morning, or because between Gustav and the convention it’s the perfect time to bury it?
Update: Between CNN wondering why the mother of a special needs baby would head off on the campaign trail and Alan Colmes rolling around in the sewer, the left’s been itching since the announcement on Friday to paint her as an unfit mother. Expect a lot of very solemn tut-tutting about how selfish Palin is to have accepted the nomination knowing it’ll only throw a spotlight on her poor daughter, even as they themselves ratchet that spotlight up to nuclear-flash brightness.
Update: Since the dirty laundry’s all coming out today, sources close to Palin tell David Brody that Palin’s husband was arrested for DUI 22 years ago.
Update: A commenter suggests a title for when they make a movie of this saga: “Juneau.”
Update: KP was ahead of the game:
A McCain campaign official tells ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos that McCain knew of Bristol’s pregnancy and “didn’t believe Governor Palin should be disqualified” from the vice presidency because of it. “If Democrats try to attack, it will backfire spectacularly,” the official said.
Update: The more I think about it, the more I think McCain probably did know. The timing is simply perfect to release the news: You wouldn’t want to do it on Friday, lord knows, when she’s getting her intro to the country, and you wouldn’t want to do it later in the campaign when it’s closer to Election Day or even later this week when it’d distract from her convention speech. Now’s the time to do it, when it’ll be no higher than the third-most important story of the day.
If I’m right, then the nutroots’s smears about Palin’s own pregnancy gave McCain an amazingly fortuitous pretext here. Now he gets to play the victim — “we had to do it to stop those dastardly left-wing bloggers from hurting the family” — instead of just someone making an embarrassing admission.
Update: Jonathan Martin says social cons won’t be happy about the news. True, but they won’t be particularly upset about it either. The left will push this hard thinking that it’s some kind of dealbreaker for the Christian right, but to believe that you’d have to fundamentally misunderstand where the Christian right’s main emphasis lies. Says Goldstein:
Many on the left will believe, quite mistakenly, that such an announcement is likely to weaken Palin’s support among “the hard-right conservative base”. But in fact, it will do no such thing — first, because the “hard-right conservative base” that liberal Democrats consistently invoke is largely a caricature that lives only in their minds and as a convenient trope in their rhetoric, from whence it can be trotted out as a foil and a boogeyman on cue; and second, because those energized over the choice of Palin include many disaffected libertarians and classical liberals who were, until the announcement of the Governor’s candidacy, set to either sit the election out, or else cast a protest vote for Bob Barr.
Update: And as if right on cue to prove my last point, here’s David Brody of CBN explaining why this won’t hurt Palin with the base.
I’m sure lots of people will take their shots at the pro-life Christian woman but hold on a moment. If you think Evangelicals are going to ditch her for this, you’re totally misreading the situation. As a matter of fact, they are ready to fire back at any potential critics…
Look, this development will actually be positive for the most part with Evangelicals. First they hear that Sarah Palin chooses the life option even though she had a Downs Syndrome baby and once again the family (and Bristol) has chosen the life option in this recent case. That’s a double “ca-ching”. Let’s call this the Evangelical daily double. If anything, this whole situation will probably make more people around the country relate to her and her family. It makes them more real. Will there by some turned off by the whole pre-marital sex thing? Of course but this type of story doesn’t sink her at all with Evangelicals.
Update: The boss notes the contrast with Obama’s notorious “punished with a baby” comment, something else that’ll make it hard for him to capitalize on this with Christians.
Update: Every post Althouse has written about Palin is worth reading, but this is especially sharp:
Oh, that looks like a meme. Sarah Palin must stay home with her special needs baby. Sarah Palin must stay home with her about-to-be-married, pregnant daughter. Ladies: Put your career on hold until everything in you’re family stops happening… Would a man forgo his career to be there for a family member who is experiencing an important life transition?
Remember when John Edwards decided to go on with his campaign after his wife got a diagnosis of inoperable cancer? Now, I think Elizabeth Edwards was probably excited about the campaign and wanted to go on with it. In that light, why are you assuming that Bristol Palin isn’t excited about her mother’s campaign? Unlike Elizabeth Edwards, Bristol is not facing her last days. She’s just starting out — all caught up in life. Presumably, she intense and positive about her pro-life beliefs, her love for the baby’s father, her impending wedding, and the new baby on the way.
Update: Needless to say, for a variety of reasons you won’t be hearing anything about this from Team Barry. But in case any more reason was needed, people are e-mailing to remind me that The One’s mother was also a teenager when she gave birth to him and married his father just six months before he was born. That won’t stop the left from attacking, of course — remember, the ostensible sin here is hypocrisy, not teen motherhood, even though the point clearly enough is to try to shame Palin with her daughter’s morals.
Update: And here’s NBC pushing the abstinence-only angle.
Update: For once, Dobson sounds the right note:
“In the 32-year history of Focus on the Family, we have offered prayer, counseling and resource assistance to tens of thousands of parents and children in the same situation the Palins are now facing. We have always encouraged the parents to love and support their children and always advised the girls to see their pregnancies through, even though there will of course be challenges along the way. That is what the Palins are doing, and they should be commended once again for not just talking about their pro-life and pro-family values, but living them out even in the midst of trying circumstances.
“Being a Christian does not mean you’re perfect. Nor does it mean your children are perfect. But it does mean there is forgiveness and restoration when we confess our imperfections to the Lord. I’ve been the beneficiary of that forgiveness and restoration in my own life countless times, as I’m sure the Palins have.
“The media are already trying to spin this as evidence Gov. Palin is a ‘hypocrite,’ but all it really means is that she and her family are human. They are in my prayers and those of millions of Americans.”
Update: Like I’ve been telling you all along, The One may be many things, but he’s no dummy. Consider this the equivalent of McCain’s “congratulations” ad last week: Classy, and also shrewd.
Mr. Obama, campaigning here, also noted that his own mother was 18 when she gave birth to him.
“People’s families are off limits,” he said. “People’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. ”
“I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories,” he added. “That shouldn’t be a topic in our politics.”
He vehemently pushed back against an unnamed McCain aide suggesting his campaign had any ties to the blogs that were spreading rumors before the news broke, saying he was “offended” by that and if any of his staff was involved in spreading the issue, “they’d be fired.”
Update: Your must-read of the day: Time reporter Nathan Thornburgh on how he’d already heard all about the pregnancy from people in Wasilla and how they — and he — agreed that it was nobody’s business but the Palins’.
All weekend they had the decency not to pretend that they didn’t know the governor’s eldest daughter was pregnant. But they also expected decency in return, that I wouldn’t be the kind of person to make sport out of a young girl’s slip…
As for the idea — sure to be floated—that the avowedly anti-abortion Palin may have pressured her poor daughter to ruin her life by carrying an unwanted baby to term, I wouldn’t bet on it. The Palin family seems to share the same pro-life values going back at least as far back as anyone here can remember, and it wouldn’t be at all surprising if Bristol wore those values, however imperfectly, as her own. At least, that’s what the town thinks. And Wasilla, above all, is pretty sensible.
Update: Lee Stranahan does the math for Trig Truthers: “Some people are still holding onto the fake pregnancy rumor. Let’s just do some math. Trig was on April 18, 2008 – about four months and a week ago. Bristol is said to be five months pregnant. Now, if you want to pretend that the five month date is a total lie then you’d also have to believe that the 17 year old had a Down’s Syndrome baby then turned right around and got pregnant again presumably because the first premature birth was so freakin’ awesome!”
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Have you even read her response to the “bridge to nowhere” stuff?
She supported it because it actually did serve a need — despite what the media tells you. Once it was clear that her constituency didn’t support it, she withdrew her support.
But she kept the $400 mil.
And in her rollout speech, she clearly implied otherwise.
Rookie mistake. A line that may pass muster with the friendly Juneau media won’t get the same kid-gloves treatment from a very hostile national press.
sauropod on September 1, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Now that’s an excellent comment.
RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 2:41 PM
Our youngest daughter presented us with similar news the summer after her sophomore year of high school…and, no, we were not thrilled. Matter of fact, we were both pretty p****d. But – abortion was not a consideration. Our grandson was born the day before her junior year of high school started; she missed two days, went back to school on Wednesday, and never missed a beat. Not because we were pleased with the circumstances – but because she had made a choice that came with a LOT of responsibilities, and we meant for her to live up to them.
She has lived up to them, too. Yes, she and my son in law are still together – and she got pregnant again, late last year, with a baby boy who had no kidneys, among other conditions that are considered “incompatible with life”. They knew all of this in advance, and the doctors strongly advised them to go to Virginia for a late-term abortion. They refused, and my third grandson was born – and passed away – in July.
Kids don’t always do things that make us proud – but, oftentimes, the decisions they make afterward make up for all that.
uncivilized on September 1, 2008 at 2:41 PM
I wish all of Gov. Palin’s family my best wishes. That’s really all that needs to be said on the subject, we should let it drop, its none of our business. Lets move on to the facts of electing the most qualified candidate, who can run the government most effectively and efficiently.
eaglesailor72 on September 1, 2008 at 2:42 PM
he’s finally sensing the trap he is in….
a day late and three weeks short but good for you Lightworker.
sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 2:42 PM
We’re not forcing you to agree with us. It’s disturbing that your first impulse is a suppressive one, to remove us from your party. This is not conservative, it’s more in tune with the other side if you ask me.
jeff_from_mpls on September 1, 2008 at 2:43 PM
The only thing I care about is whether McCain knew before he selected Governor Palin. If he did, then I don’t think this story hurts the ticket at all. In fact, it makes me like McCain a little more.
capitalist piglet on September 1, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Yes. Barack’s mom was tricked.
RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 2:43 PM
You asked me a yes or no question and I gave you an answer. So no, I didn’t miss your point but you refuse to see mine. If it were Mr. Palin as VP, the same rules apply. This has nothing to do with the gender card, it has to do with putting the country first.
barry norris on September 1, 2008 at 2:43 PM
BryanS on September 1, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Bristol is indeed at the age when teens start thinking for themselves. And proving they should think a little longer and harder but new babies are always good news to me. I am pretty sure that if it was the child of any other prominent pol or if it wasn’t so soon after the announcement of Gov. Palin for V.P. this thread wouldn’t exist. As usual I am proud of the folks at Hot Air, except of course Dave and Alphie, who never disappoint.
Cindy Munford on September 1, 2008 at 2:44 PM
[Heston]So let it be written, so let it be SAID!![/Heston]
B.S. — Unmarried pregnancy is no longer a scandal. I have two sets of unmarried friends with children. They couldn’t be happier .. they live as a family .. they make comfortable livings .. and their kids are amazing.
It just so happens that people who are rotten parents tend to be unmarried .. and marriage definitely wouldn’t make them better parents.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Bristol is indeed at the age when teens start thinking for themselves. And proving they should think a little longer
+1
jeff_from_mpls on September 1, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Good lord and a real family to boot! Whatever will the feminists bitch about next? Hey ladies of the left, this is a real honest to god life these people are living, not the brie and cabernet you guys revel in that is so totally false. This is “having it all…..” which I believe you all fed me in the sixties, wasn’t it? Well, Palin has done it because her husband was there to support her even though you all on the left have made the word “man” an ugly, distasteful thing. I didn’t read every comment…too many, so this post is directed to those who are opposed to McCain/Palin and Palin in particular.
sharinlite on September 1, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Will Obama advise Governor Palin’s daughter to end the punishment?
profitsbeard on September 1, 2008 at 2:45 PM
so Barry why didn’t Barry put the country first on his coke habit and terrorist friends network?
Screw that the woman has class is dealing with a hard situation the right way and is a donation generating asset.
THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 2:45 PM
It appears that 99% of you are in support of a pregnant teenager keeping the child.
So, the true test of objectivity is this:
If Obama had a 17 year old daughter who became pregnant, would all of your reactions be positive like this?
Dave Rywall on September 1, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Certainly.
Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Mary in LA on September 1, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Great post, Mary. I had the exact thoughts as you regarding how we have now just come to casually accept teen pregnancy as commonplace and how that is not exactly a very good thing for our society.
But great overall post.
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Does he remind anyone else of those creatures, Slestaks (sp?) on the 70’s tv show “Land of the Lost”?
right wing chicky on September 1, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Bingo!! You know I always said he reminded me of a lizard, but you just hit it. Thank you!!
tschenkel on September 1, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Yes but the Party had an opportunity to overcome it’s bigotry image and it failed. Instead it capitualted to the bigots. I do not know now if there was any legitimate reasons to oppose Romney. If there was it was buried. He was not even given a chance because of the voices that were not shouted down.
So once again. It was not Romney’s baggage. It was the baggage of bigotry.
And in many ways Bristol is not Palin’s baggage either. Yet the calling of Evangelicals as hypocritical does have a rather authentic sound…
Prehaps they should have toned down the prefect family image that they presented up front… when they knew full well that they would soon be called hypocrites. Prehaps they should have hinted at flaws to come. I do feel a little bit played by this.
But these games are beyond me. McCain is a calculating politician. I’ve watched him from AZ for years. And even so, he will be better for the country than Obama. But I don’t have to like watching the sausage made.
petunia on September 1, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Allah, I’m pretty dissapointed that you’d even be making such a big deal out of this here. Pretty pathetic. Calling it an embarrasment and such. Why do you think that bringing life into the world is an embarssment? Jeez.
eski502 on September 1, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Yep.
uncivilized on September 1, 2008 at 2:47 PM
If that’s true about Obama’s decision to keep mum–well it may be good politics but it’s also compassionate of him and I must praise him for this in spite of the fact that I could never vote for him. Now, if the lefty bloggers and talking heads would do the same…..
jeanie on September 1, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Surely you know the answer to this question…..?
LimeyGeek on September 1, 2008 at 2:48 PM
There was a lot wrong with 1950, but there was a lot right with it, too. Not that I was actually there to observe it, mind you! I’m not an old fogey — I’m a young fogey. :-)
Mary in LA on September 1, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Update: For once, Dobson sounds the right note:
He’s exactly right.
GT on September 1, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Have you seen one attack from the right on Obama’s children ? I havent. We have gone after Obama and Michelle (Who has been out campaigning herself) but can you cite one example of any attack on Obama’s children ?
William Amos on September 1, 2008 at 2:49 PM
This is where your lack of understanding any inkling of what you are trying to discuss is blatantly evident for all of us to read.
Christians are those who are most cognizant that human beings are not perfect and require salvation. It is the crux of our philosophy.
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Fixed it for you.
Get over your irrational contempt, please.
jgapinoy on September 1, 2008 at 2:50 PM
It wasn’t so long ago that it was commonplace and not a basis for derision.
LimeyGeek on September 1, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Before or after they snuff it out with a pair of foreceps?
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Of course people would respond the same way. In fact, people would probably be praising the daughter for not aborting her child, especially in light of her parents’ position on the issue.
If that is “the test of objectivity”, as you say, I doubt there is a single person here (aside from the liberal trolls) would wouldn’t pass.
capitalist piglet on September 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM
If she kept the kid imstead of vacuuming out the “punishment”?
Hell yeah.
sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM
You lack logic; If Obama had a daughter who became pregnant he would not allow her to be ‘punished by it’ and have it aborted and we would never know about it.
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM
Yes Yes Yes….
Tell us Dr. Phil! How is it that millions of parents around the world are failing in our duties! Tell us please before another 17 year old girl becomes pregnant due to poor parenting and bad management skills. Help us please!!!
What is it we are all doing wrong! What is it we need to do? Lock them in the basement from birth till 18? Or maybe around the clock surveillance such as GPS embedded clothes, panties with alarms that inform us our daughters might be having sex? Maybe chain them to the bed at night?
What is it that you know that none of us have figured out yet? Please do tell!
Also if its not to much to ask could you also tell us how better to boost our management skills? Raising 5 kids, a husband, and managing the state of Alaska clearly just doesn’t cut it. Your input on this matter would greatly be appreciated.
I’m giddy with anticipation for your response!
mikkins on September 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM
Have you seen one attack from the right on Obama’s children ? I havent. We have gone after Obama and Michelle (Who has been out campaigning herself) but can you cite one example of any attack on Obama’s children ?
William Amos on September 1, 2008 at 2:49 PM
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What the fu*k. I never said there were any. Answer my question or don’t answer it I couldn’t care less.
Dave Rywall on September 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM
Mine would, yes.
But then, when it comes to family, I’m not a partisan hack.
Teens shouldn’t be having sex, but when they do–no matter who their parents are–they must suffer the consequences for good or for ill.
Bob's Kid on September 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM
I’ll concede that much.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Glad you asked.
davidk on September 1, 2008 at 2:53 PM
I am glad that in a similar situation Obama’s mother did not choose abortion. And yes I would suggest that we throw a shower for Obama’s daughter. And given her people to turn to in the times that she will be overwhelmed with the responsibility that she is taking on.
I don’t feel positive. But I feel resigned to reality. And now want to make it as positive as it is possible to make it.
And has anyone on the right used the word Bastard to describe Obama as the left is doing now?
petunia on September 1, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Team Barry panicing, huh?
Enoxo on September 1, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Bingo. I’m glad I am not the only one who realizes this.
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Thanks.
INC on September 1, 2008 at 2:55 PM
If Obama had a 17 year old who became pregnant chances are we would never know about it.
Elizabetty on September 1, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Teenagers were having sex long before Britney Spears was born or Hollywood existed. I do think you are right that this will play well as a human interest story, giving Palin a chance to demonstrate family values in dealing with the unexpected grandchild in a positive way.
The story is interesting and will sell magazines, but Palin’s competence in answering foreign policy questions will do much more to sway voters one way or another.
dedalus on September 1, 2008 at 2:56 PM
BigWyo on September 1, 2008 at 2:56 PM
My my arent we getting pissy. I simply pointed out that the right considers Obama’s children off limits as a means of attack. Shame the left is too hypocritical to do the same.
William Amos on September 1, 2008 at 2:56 PM
This blog’s topsy-turvy with its latest parlour game
You talk about this Palin from night to morn
You dress yourselves in scarlet as a tribute to her name
You’d think that saintly Joan of Arc had been re-born
But the jackanapes are always runnin’ round in some disguise
Who she is, the devil only knows
It’s unfortunate to note curiosity just grows and grows
BlakeneyP on September 1, 2008 at 2:57 PM
It’s a simple bit of logic to not to attempt to hide the evidence of a sin (fornication) and compound that sin with another (murder).
As to the logic of not condemning others for sin, that logic is spelled out spelled out in the New Testament by Jesus Christ. Try taking a gander at it. It won’t kill you.
Or you can keep going on about a topic about which you apparently know nothing.
baldilocks on September 1, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Which can be refuted. So no problem.
That conversation by NO means hurts her.
Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 2:57 PM
I just had to endure a visit from my leftest brother who came over and immediately started in on the pregnancy and how bad it was. I’m so proud of myself for not bringing up his two arrest.. his abuse of his wife that I’ve witnessed..him asking me to steal some equipment from my employer.
As long as he has the moral high road.. I just can’t.
GoodBoy on September 1, 2008 at 2:58 PM
FIFY. If she were giving it up for adoption, we’d be okay with that, too.
My reaction to Obama’s pregnant daughter would be just the same as it is to Gov. Palin’s: Not very positive at all, as you can see from my rant up-thread.
However, I would watch the outcome: Marriage to the father? A big plus. Adoption? A big plus. Raising the child as a single mother? A small minus. Abortion? A horrible huge minus.
And I wouldn’t judge either Obama’s or Palin’s fitness to lead the country based on the actions of their respective daughters.
Hope that makes it clear.
Mary in LA on September 1, 2008 at 2:58 PM
petunia:
Oh please, so we all failed somehow for not supporting Romney. Yes, and if I don’t vote for Obama, I am a bigot too. Where have I heard this before?
I don’t think that being a Mormon really hurt Romney as much as his flip flopping and his wealth did.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 2:59 PM
as opposed to Mr. Mitt “I’m pro-choice,pro-life,anti-gun, pro-gun,pro universal healthcare, pro market….”Romney???
so she killed the useless bridge and used the money on other matters….
she was Governor of Alaska fufilling her duty to her electorate….it does NOT bother me if she takes the money from waste and does things on the way to an 80% approval rating.
sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 2:59 PM
Considering that there are many pro-lifers on this board, I’d wager a considerable sum of money that the general consensus from them would be “yes”.
I, however, am pro-choice. Something of a minority among conservative circles. And my answer, as a pro-choice supporter? Yes, I support the pregnant teenager keeping the child, as that is HER choice, and she’s made it. Am I disappointed she’s pregnant? Sure, but again, it’s her choice. To have sex, to get pregnant, to keep the kid or not.
Again, I’m failing to see what sort of “gotcha” game you’re trying to play here, re: supposed hypocrisy.
Perhaps you’re simply reiterating – spectacularly inarticulately, mind you – the same point as Entelechy, i.e. that we shouldn’t really be *congratulating* a teenage girl for getting pregnant (out of wedlock), in which case I agree (sorry, fellow HA folks, I know those of you doing so today mean only the best, but I find it more than a little off-putting).
But dude, that’s still not hypocrisy. Don’t confuse support with condonation.
Vyce on September 1, 2008 at 2:59 PM
I had a room mate when I was in the Air Force whose parents locked her older sister in her room every night from the age of 16 to the day she graduated from high school. She figured out how to climb down the rose trellis without making a sound – got into as much, or more, trouble than my room mate did.
uncivilized on September 1, 2008 at 3:00 PM
I’m glad Obama got out in front of this thing. Although this was an odd wording, in reference to the leftosphere’s “MILF or GILF?” frenzy this weekend:
Which, if you were the suspicious type, would be a fancier way of saying, “You can’t prove nothin’.”
Jim Treacher on September 1, 2008 at 3:01 PM
This will save the lives of lots of unborn babies.
Did you hear Sarah Palin has a energy plan and an enviromental plan?
I like John McCain better everyday!
mary jo on September 1, 2008 at 3:01 PM
You know, the more I think about this, the more ticked off I am at Gov. Palin. She had to know that Bristol’s pregnancy would make the news, yet she chose to subject her daughter to the glare of the national spotlight anyway.
It’s hard enough for an unwed teenager to deal with a pregnancy, without being the focus of national media attention.
Palin should have told McCain she couldn’t accept the nomination. By choosing to go ahead, she’s shown that her personal ambition trumps her concern for her family’s privacy. And yes, I would say the same thing if she were a father instead of a mother. It’s not about gender; it’s about being a good parent.
I don’t blame Palin for Bristol’s pregnancy, but I do blame Palin for thrusting her family into the spotlight at such a sensitive time. I think it’s selfish and stupid. And I think it will hurt McCain.
sauropod on September 1, 2008 at 3:01 PM
uncivilized on September 1, 2008 at 2:41 PM
I wanted to say something with out sounding trite. May I say tears came to my eyes reading about you and your family and I will be thinking and praying for all of you.
Gracelynn on September 1, 2008 at 3:01 PM
I think I’m really missing something here about the daughters pregnancy. I don’t have time to look at the comments but the post itself doesn’t make much sense. What exactly is being defended by Palin? What did she do exactly?
nottakingsides on September 1, 2008 at 3:01 PM
thank you.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 3:01 PM
I saw Peggy Noonan this morning. She made a good point that the left, the media, and the DNC must kill this young political novice before she gets entrenched in this campaign. We knew that when McCain picked her. We have to hold her up when they try to knock her down. Once the rest of the Country gets to know Governer Palin, they will make a judgement call. That is the way this works. Despite AP’s glee, try not to let this get you down. He thrives on stuff like this. I told you so, type stuff. Of course his self satisfaction does make him work harder, so that is good for us.
chief on September 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM
It would depend on whether Obama decided to “punish” her by encouraging her to keep the child.
Jim Treacher on September 1, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Michael:
I do not think anyone has said the liberal spin machine will not try to use this. The larger point is that the liberal spin machine always finds something. I doubt very much if any of the candidates would have been immune to all scandal or to all criticism. Thompson supported the McCain/Feingold bill before he opposed it. In fact he sponsored an Amendment to the bill with liberal Diane Feinstein. He had several wives, lots of girlfriends, children with different women, and on and on. I think he would have made a good president or vice president, but to think there would not have been any dirty laundry or spin or whatever is just naive.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Also cgoode and sven – love the posts!
mary jo on September 1, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Horsedung….by that logic every career woman who would expose their daughter to gossip would have to either hide or quit.
I support Sarah and look forward to sending something to her Gandbaby’s shower if they permit it….knowing her she’d donate the excess to local DC charities.
GO SARAH!
sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Had a daughter who grew up to be a teenager in the 21st Century.
Jim Treacher on September 1, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Ed’s got a post up now. Let’s all head over there for some perspective, eh?
RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Like teaching your kids to face up to responsibility and work through adversity?
LimeyGeek on September 1, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Bad parenting.
Her daughter got pregnant, ergo, bad parent, ergo, bad vice president.
Don’t bother going back and reading the posts .. that’s actually what liberals are saying .. no kidding.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 3:05 PM
The child IS NOT a bastard unless it is born outside of marriage. It’s a little early to be throwing that label at a yet to be born infant. Or can you not help yourself from attacking and denigrating an innocent baby?
Guardian on September 1, 2008 at 3:05 PM
“It’s a fact that Bible thumpers who thump suddenly thump a lot less when they’re actually faced with reality like this. I’m just interested in hearing how they squirm their logic around.”
You obviously have zero knowledge about Christianity. Of course we believe pre marital sex is wrong. That being said, Christians are also big on forgiveness. There is zero contradiction here except in your bigoted mind.
America1st on September 1, 2008 at 3:05 PM
You guys act as though politics if fair to the right – that if there was no angle to attack Palin, there would be no attack.
There is never a fair shake for a conservative. If there was nothing, they’d make something, and the Democrats would get a pass.
Biden has a long history of putting his foot in his mouth, but what have you heard about it since he was selected? Almost nothing. Conversely, Governor Palin has been in the eye of a spit-storm since Friday. And that’s the way it always will be. Anyone McCain picked would be going through the same kind of anal exam. The liberals have already overplayed their hand with the personal stuff – they’re so over-the-top, they’re already drowning out their own political attacks.
I’m sitting here listening to a semi-liberal radio station in Seattle, and it’s all about Bristol’s pregnancy, and the Governor’s readiness to be POTUS – the former personal, the latter a manufactured BS “concern”.
All so very predictable. We can’t let this paralyze us.
capitalist piglet on September 1, 2008 at 3:07 PM
I love you too.
I mean your posts .. your posts I was talking about.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Aw yes the crux of the matter… Does a VP have to have the perfect family. No. It would be nice if the values one espouses did match real life… but we all fall short of perfection. It is just that they made the family the issue with that roll out. I wish they hadn’t done that.
petunia on September 1, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Does anyone here honestly think that single girls didn’t get pregnant back in the ’40’s and ’50’s, when Mom stayed at home all day keeping house and “nice girls” weren’t even allowed to go on car dates until they were 17?
They did – ask your moms, your aunts, your grandmas. It wasn’t publicized, but it happened. I just don’t understand the “outrage”. Bristol Palin is pregnant. It happens, even in homes where Mom and Dad “know” exactly where the kids are every second of the day and night. Sarah and Todd Palin are doing the only thing they can do – they’re supporting their daughter. As long as they do that, the rest is NONE of anyone’s business.
uncivilized on September 1, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Spirit of 1776 : Sorry, I thought a caught a whiff of sarcasm with your response to my post. Please accept my apologies.
AND
Dave Rywall : It’s reaally hard to imagine that there really is someone out there like you that possesses such cartoonishly silly notions of what they think ” real hardcore Christians ” are supposed to be …..but then again I met and conversed with a real 911 Truther in Panera Bread the other day !
creatureofdust on September 1, 2008 at 3:09 PM
You said it better than I did – thanks. I agree completely.
capitalist piglet on September 1, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Frankly it’s so common these days I wouldn’t think twice about it unless there was a clear case of hypocrisy involved.
RAB on September 1, 2008 at 3:09 PM
For those who think that this a lack of parental control and parental failure, let me point something out. There are thousands of parents whose children kill themselves purposely or by accident every year. Would you level the same criticism to them? Parents cannot be with children, especially teenagers, every minute whether they are making life affirming mistakes or life ending mistakes.
Cindy Munford on September 1, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Attention to detail … neat.
And rare.
Good catch.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 3:10 PM
I believe this is the whole point.
Back when I was in high school (1990-1994), if a girl got knocked up, it was a pretty big deal. One of my best friends knocked up his girlfriend the beginning of senior year and her Catholic High School refused to allow her to walk the stage to receive her diploma, because they did not want to be seen as encouraging that behavior.
Today though, teen pregnancy is commonplace and treated in a ho-hum, everybody does it manner. As can be seen in the comments here, even professed religious people don’t seem to have much problem with teen pregnancy and are also giving the it’s commonplace nowadays and everyone does it, so no big deal explanation.
Is this is a good thing? Was it better when teen pregnancy was frowned upon? Or is it better now when people just sluff it off as commonplace?
[This is a completely separate issue from whether or not we should support teens after they become pregnant and encourage them to have their babies.]
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 3:10 PM
“Being a Christian does not mean you’re perfect.”
.
this is the perfect time to address the Left on
birth control for all those meaningless sexual encounters that teens can’t help having
vs.
teaching your teens to be sure that they love & are willing to marry the person they may conceive a child with because it’s not a ‘choice’…it’s their child, their parent’s grandchild & their greatgrand parents greatgrandchild.
Abortion is the murder of a member of their family. there is no way to take it back…& straddling teenagers w/ the murder of their children WILL come back to haunt them.
.
Show me a woman who doesn’t KNOW she killed her unborn baby & I will show you a liar.
lobosan5 on September 1, 2008 at 3:11 PM
I assume you mean for young people to marry and have children and begin their full adult lives, while still in their teens.
True, but today our society most often demands a different path to attain employment and some sense of financial security (bye-bye family farm), so early marriage and the responsibilities of parenthood can easily be an impediment, especially without outside family help.
In other words, while it may not have to negatively affect Palin’s daughter, or other children of responsible parents, as a model for most girls (and boys), it’s not something you’d want to encourage.
JiangxiDad on September 1, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Gracelynn…thank you, I appreciate that.
uncivilized on September 1, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Amen brother! My bet is that most Americans could give a flip about the hubbies DUI of 22 YEARS AGO, Troopergate which resulted in a guy who TAZED HIS OWN 11 YEAR OLD SON amongst other things was fired, or this matter of the daughter being pregnant.
Its real life folks! Many Americans will look at it and say, Finally someone like me who can understand what its like in the real world. Kids make mistakes, assholes need to be fired, Dad once got drunk when he was 23 and got caught driving. I can honestly say I know families with at least 2 of the above or all three. Big Frikkin Deal!
I think the only people acting like they are ready to jump off a ledge are those who are pissed their boy didn’t get picked or are libtards anyway.
I say JUMP! We’ll sort ya out later.
mikkins on September 1, 2008 at 3:12 PM
The same piece of crap that dredged up this story on Palin thinking it was going to hurt her is probably ih same boat with the piece of crap that said hurricne Gustav was a good thing. Pieces of crap I tell ya. Lets hope the child is born healthy and god bless the parents for keeping the child and raising it together. Too many families are screwed up when the father splits the scene. Oh and hey the girl is what, 17? When does she turn 18? Heck she’ll be a legal adult soon enough. Is not like she is having a kid at age 14 or something then you’d be looking at worse issues.
Kid out of wedlock, eh…how many of you out there can say you weren’t one? Its not perfect but in todays world where will you find perfect? huh? Lets pray for these folks and you better start praying for this country too with Russia getting stupid again.
johnnyU on September 1, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Unfortunately, they do, because they’re pushing the baby swap conspiracy even harder.
Enoxo on September 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Personally, I find the notion that anyone can consider a human being as illegitimate for something as inane as marital status, callous and medieval.
If I had fathered a child under such circumstances, a adjective like “bastard” would result in somebody collecting their teeth from the floor.
LimeyGeek on September 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Cindy:
Years ago a cousin of mine came home to find her 16 year old son hanging in the basement. She never got past that moment. She did blame herself. He was brilliant, he already had schools lining up to give him scholarships. And then he was gone.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM
He handled this well. I don’t think the Kos Kidz will listen, but this was a nice statement.
Slublog on September 1, 2008 at 3:15 PM
That, or a dose of Ritalin and a leash.
ManlyRash on September 1, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Speaking for myself,Obama’s daughters would get the same kindly treatment from me that the Palin girl has. The right thing to do is ALWAYS the right thing to do no matter who is involved.
jeanie on September 1, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Actually, I think the true test would be to see people’s reactions had Obama had a daughter who become pregnant and got an abortion. People here have said that the children are off limits and this is a private matter. Would they consider the daughter off-limits and the matter private if she chose abortion? That would have been a better question to pose, Dave.
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 3:16 PM
heh love abounds….we need to stay focused stay on message and stay surging in the polls…..the divisive noise makes Messiah the Lightworker smile.
sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 3:16 PM
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