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Oy: Palin’s daughter is pregnant; Update: Althouse on Palin vs. Edwards; Update: Obama tells media to lay off Palin’s daughter; Update: Media knew

posted at 12:23 pm on September 1, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Supposedly McCain knew. Did he?

The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.

Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin’s five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain…

Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter’s pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way

McCain officials said the news of the daughter’s pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called “mud-slinging and lies” circulating on liberal blog sites.

And here’s the statement, via Team McCain, from Palin and her husband:

“We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us. Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We’re proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support.

“Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi’s privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates.”

Gathering my thoughts. Stand by for updates.

Update: It shouldn’t hurt Palin but it will, because like I said in my pessimism post on Friday, any sort of embarrassment that she brings to the campaign will be used by the media to push the Dan Quayle/disastrous gamble meme, whether or not the embarrassment’s her own fault or not. (They’ll spin it as a comment on McCain’s “judgment” in picking her.) The left, normally all for teen sex, will naturally use it as an excuse to call her daughter a whore in the guise of criticizing Palin herself for her position on abstinence-only education, which is why I’m thinking maybe McCain really did know about it: Per KP’s analysis, the nastier and more personal the left gets, the greater the risk of a backlash that benefits Palin.

Belated exit question: Anyone find it amazingly coincidental that Daily Kos went after Palin’s own pregnancy right out of the chute on Friday, with no apparent evidence whatsoever, and now we find out that her daughter’s actually pregnant? I usually scoff at the idea of party researchers planting memes with bloggers, especially since the nutroots is so paranoid about that happening on the right, but that’s a simply remarkable stoke of good luck on their part, no?

Update: A second belated exit question: Did they really release this to quash nutroots rumors, which were already pretty well quashed this morning, or because between Gustav and the convention it’s the perfect time to bury it?

Update: Between CNN wondering why the mother of a special needs baby would head off on the campaign trail and Alan Colmes rolling around in the sewer, the left’s been itching since the announcement on Friday to paint her as an unfit mother. Expect a lot of very solemn tut-tutting about how selfish Palin is to have accepted the nomination knowing it’ll only throw a spotlight on her poor daughter, even as they themselves ratchet that spotlight up to nuclear-flash brightness.

Update: Since the dirty laundry’s all coming out today, sources close to Palin tell David Brody that Palin’s husband was arrested for DUI 22 years ago.

Update: A commenter suggests a title for when they make a movie of this saga: “Juneau.”

Update: KP was ahead of the game:

A McCain campaign official tells ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos that McCain knew of Bristol’s pregnancy and “didn’t believe Governor Palin should be disqualified” from the vice presidency because of it. “If Democrats try to attack, it will backfire spectacularly,” the official said.

Update: The more I think about it, the more I think McCain probably did know. The timing is simply perfect to release the news: You wouldn’t want to do it on Friday, lord knows, when she’s getting her intro to the country, and you wouldn’t want to do it later in the campaign when it’s closer to Election Day or even later this week when it’d distract from her convention speech. Now’s the time to do it, when it’ll be no higher than the third-most important story of the day.

If I’m right, then the nutroots’s smears about Palin’s own pregnancy gave McCain an amazingly fortuitous pretext here. Now he gets to play the victim — “we had to do it to stop those dastardly left-wing bloggers from hurting the family” — instead of just someone making an embarrassing admission.

Update: Jonathan Martin says social cons won’t be happy about the news. True, but they won’t be particularly upset about it either. The left will push this hard thinking that it’s some kind of dealbreaker for the Christian right, but to believe that you’d have to fundamentally misunderstand where the Christian right’s main emphasis lies. Says Goldstein:

Many on the left will believe, quite mistakenly, that such an announcement is likely to weaken Palin’s support among “the hard-right conservative base”. But in fact, it will do no such thing — first, because the “hard-right conservative base” that liberal Democrats consistently invoke is largely a caricature that lives only in their minds and as a convenient trope in their rhetoric, from whence it can be trotted out as a foil and a boogeyman on cue; and second, because those energized over the choice of Palin include many disaffected libertarians and classical liberals who were, until the announcement of the Governor’s candidacy, set to either sit the election out, or else cast a protest vote for Bob Barr.

Update: And as if right on cue to prove my last point, here’s David Brody of CBN explaining why this won’t hurt Palin with the base.

I’m sure lots of people will take their shots at the pro-life Christian woman but hold on a moment. If you think Evangelicals are going to ditch her for this, you’re totally misreading the situation. As a matter of fact, they are ready to fire back at any potential critics…

Look, this development will actually be positive for the most part with Evangelicals. First they hear that Sarah Palin chooses the life option even though she had a Downs Syndrome baby and once again the family (and Bristol) has chosen the life option in this recent case. That’s a double “ca-ching”. Let’s call this the Evangelical daily double. If anything, this whole situation will probably make more people around the country relate to her and her family. It makes them more real. Will there by some turned off by the whole pre-marital sex thing? Of course but this type of story doesn’t sink her at all with Evangelicals.

Update: The boss notes the contrast with Obama’s notorious “punished with a baby” comment, something else that’ll make it hard for him to capitalize on this with Christians.

Update: Every post Althouse has written about Palin is worth reading, but this is especially sharp:

Oh, that looks like a meme. Sarah Palin must stay home with her special needs baby. Sarah Palin must stay home with her about-to-be-married, pregnant daughter. Ladies: Put your career on hold until everything in you’re family stops happening… Would a man forgo his career to be there for a family member who is experiencing an important life transition?

Remember when John Edwards decided to go on with his campaign after his wife got a diagnosis of inoperable cancer? Now, I think Elizabeth Edwards was probably excited about the campaign and wanted to go on with it. In that light, why are you assuming that Bristol Palin isn’t excited about her mother’s campaign? Unlike Elizabeth Edwards, Bristol is not facing her last days. She’s just starting out — all caught up in life. Presumably, she intense and positive about her pro-life beliefs, her love for the baby’s father, her impending wedding, and the new baby on the way.

Update: Needless to say, for a variety of reasons you won’t be hearing anything about this from Team Barry. But in case any more reason was needed, people are e-mailing to remind me that The One’s mother was also a teenager when she gave birth to him and married his father just six months before he was born. That won’t stop the left from attacking, of course — remember, the ostensible sin here is hypocrisy, not teen motherhood, even though the point clearly enough is to try to shame Palin with her daughter’s morals.

Update: And here’s NBC pushing the abstinence-only angle.

Update: For once, Dobson sounds the right note:

“In the 32-year history of Focus on the Family, we have offered prayer, counseling and resource assistance to tens of thousands of parents and children in the same situation the Palins are now facing. We have always encouraged the parents to love and support their children and always advised the girls to see their pregnancies through, even though there will of course be challenges along the way. That is what the Palins are doing, and they should be commended once again for not just talking about their pro-life and pro-family values, but living them out even in the midst of trying circumstances.

“Being a Christian does not mean you’re perfect. Nor does it mean your children are perfect. But it does mean there is forgiveness and restoration when we confess our imperfections to the Lord. I’ve been the beneficiary of that forgiveness and restoration in my own life countless times, as I’m sure the Palins have.

“The media are already trying to spin this as evidence Gov. Palin is a ‘hypocrite,’ but all it really means is that she and her family are human. They are in my prayers and those of millions of Americans.”

Update: Like I’ve been telling you all along, The One may be many things, but he’s no dummy. Consider this the equivalent of McCain’s “congratulations” ad last week: Classy, and also shrewd.

Mr. Obama, campaigning here, also noted that his own mother was 18 when she gave birth to him.

“People’s families are off limits,” he said. “People’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. ”

“I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories,” he added. “That shouldn’t be a topic in our politics.”

He vehemently pushed back against an unnamed McCain aide suggesting his campaign had any ties to the blogs that were spreading rumors before the news broke, saying he was “offended” by that and if any of his staff was involved in spreading the issue, “they’d be fired.”

Update: Your must-read of the day: Time reporter Nathan Thornburgh on how he’d already heard all about the pregnancy from people in Wasilla and how they — and he — agreed that it was nobody’s business but the Palins’.

All weekend they had the decency not to pretend that they didn’t know the governor’s eldest daughter was pregnant. But they also expected decency in return, that I wouldn’t be the kind of person to make sport out of a young girl’s slip…

As for the idea — sure to be floated—that the avowedly anti-abortion Palin may have pressured her poor daughter to ruin her life by carrying an unwanted baby to term, I wouldn’t bet on it. The Palin family seems to share the same pro-life values going back at least as far back as anyone here can remember, and it wouldn’t be at all surprising if Bristol wore those values, however imperfectly, as her own. At least, that’s what the town thinks. And Wasilla, above all, is pretty sensible.

Update: Lee Stranahan does the math for Trig Truthers: “Some people are still holding onto the fake pregnancy rumor. Let’s just do some math. Trig was on April 18, 2008 – about four months and a week ago. Bristol is said to be five months pregnant. Now, if you want to pretend that the five month date is a total lie then you’d also have to believe that the 17 year old had a Down’s Syndrome baby then turned right around and got pregnant again presumably because the first premature birth was so freakin’ awesome!”


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It’s a fact that Bible thumpers who thump suddenly thump a lot less when they’re actually faced with reality like this. I’m just interested in hearing how they squirm their logic around.

Dave Rywall on September 1, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Did you read what I wrote above?

That Bible I thump contains the story of the Prodigal Son, and the story of the adulterous woman in which Jesus said, “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”

Christianity is all about repentance, forgiveness and grace.

INC on September 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Verily, thou hath imbibed of the cannibus and let the odd lamentations flow forth.

I salute thee.

cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 1:54 PM

I wasn’t born to walk on water
I wasn’t born to sack and slaughter
But on my soul, I wasn’t born
To stoop to scorn and knuckle under
In the darkest hour
I will spring alive
Then with claws of fire, I will devour like a falcon in the dive

BlakeneyP on September 1, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Word.

cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Judging by the company he keeps, Barack Obama is probably a nut.

RJGatorEsq. on September 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Well considering that Barry had no balls to stand up to Hillary…..

… you are probably making an assumption here.

….I’m just saying..

He could have some squirreled away… but so far nothing has shown up… not even the leg shot on the plane gave away anything…

Mcguyver on September 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM

If you spend enough time with your kids, they tend to avoid mistakes like this, luther.

They’re not rats.

Choices.

alphie on September 1, 2008 at 1:20 PM

How many kids do you have alphie? How old are they? Have they ever made a mistake? Disappointed you?

Shall we apply your standards to “baby daddies” in the Black community, or do only middle class white folks get criticized for the shortcomings of their kids?

rokemronnie on September 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Maybe a comparison of John McCain’s house count to Barrcak Obama’s father wife count would be in order, married or otherwise. Doesn’t Obama show a blank on his birth certificate where it should show father?

I say we leave the family alone, just like the drive bys did with Chelsea. Remember that off limits area?

tarpon on September 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM

I said hardcore Christians.

Clearly none of you are, so untie your underwear knots.

Dave Rywall on September 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Palin-related news is definitely keeping Obama out of the news.

Celebrities such as Obama live and die by being in the news. Obama must now be suffocating from lack of press attention.
The Democrats are banging their heads against the wall ever since Palin entered the race.

albill on September 1, 2008 at 2:15 PM

I’m a social con and I’m not upset. She is marrying him after all. People do have sex.

My parents worked from home, spent tons of time with their children, but my middle brother figured out how to sneak out and have sex. He used statements like, “Hey, I’m running to the convenience store for a soda, be back soon.” He also told my parents, “I’m going to work an extra hour to hour and a half at work tonight.”

He was smart enough not to do it every day, but just enough that the hours didn’t mis-match. After a couple of months, she ended up preggers.

He married her, and life went on. I am glad they didn’t get an abortion. I love my niece.

The Social Cons should still support her.

Tim Burton on September 1, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Why didn’t McCain just take Romney???

Amy Proctor on September 1, 2008 at 2:15 PM

I’m not alienated.

It just reinforces her authenticity. And good for her daughter for doing the right thing.

Sir Andrew on September 1, 2008 at 1:47 PM

I understand now what Evangelicals mean by “Phony” and “Authentic”.

I will still vote for McCain/Palin. But I am just trying to understand your moral universe that allowed so many to judge Romney for his obedience to God’s law as phoniness. I am contantly amazed by how you come to conclusions.

petunia on September 1, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Will it hurt? Yeah. With his pick, McCain stuck it to the economic conservatives while pleasing the social conservatives, and the social conservatives are the people who will be offended.

Vashta.Nerada on September 1, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Newsweek Exclusive: Top Clinton Supporter John Coale Endorses McCain

John Coale, a prominent Washington lawyer, husband of Fox TV host Greta Van Susteren and a supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton, announced today that he was supporting John McCain for president.

This will drive the left crazy! LOL

ordi on September 1, 2008 at 2:16 PM

I said hardcore Christians.

Clearly none of you are, so untie your underwear knots.

Dave Rywall on September 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Ah, the mythical hardcore Christian… kinda like the mythical Moderate Moslem?

/sigh….

Romeo13 on September 1, 2008 at 2:17 PM

It means born out of wedlock and so the fact that Levi will marry Bristol before the baby’s birth will negate that label. I offer my congratulations to the couple and their instant family. But perhaps Bristol is really having Sarah’s baby as thanks for Sarah’s having Bristol’s baby back in April this year. Those Palins really take the Biblical injunction to be fruitful and multiply literally. They don’t believe babies are ‘punishments’, like some other unnamed candidate.

eaglewingz08 on September 1, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Oh come now!! Evangelicals are just people with the same challenges and successes as non-Evangelicals. To paint them as shocked or horrified by children conceived out of wedlock is ridiculous. This sort of myth has been exploited out of proportion to the truth by liberals. Let’s change that for starters.

jeanie on September 1, 2008 at 2:18 PM

I like Palin as a VP pick, but what is so glorious about a 17-years old being pregnant?

Dave Rywall has it right on two fronts, the lefties having no right to crow against this one, nor the righties for it.

Imagine if John Edwards’ kid would be pregnant at 17, or if Chelsea would have been, or GWB 43’s daughters…

It’s all about who’se ox is being gored.

It’s no one’s business in the end, except the families’, but the hypocrisy from both sides of the isles is thicker than molasses.

Entelechy on September 1, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Dave Rywall on September 1, 2008 at 2:01 PM

I’m pretty anti-bible thumping myself, and I do not see hypocrisy. Palin’s daughter is about the age when she can think for herself. I don’t think you can say that Governor Palin needs to pay for the behavior of her daughter. I don’t think it takes a lot of squirming to appreciate the pro-life outcome more than the pre-marital transgression.

BryanS on September 1, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Newsweek Exclusive: Top Clinton Supporter John Coale Endorses McCain

John Coale, a prominent Washington lawyer, husband of Fox TV host Greta Van Susteren and a supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton, announced today that he was supporting John McCain for president.

This will drive the left crazy! LOL

ordi on September 1, 2008 at 2:16 PM

I have a feeling Greta herself is heading that way.

Connie on September 1, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Oh what a clash this subject matter causes, and both sides have their warriors. I personally would rather see human beings champion moral behavior and fail, then to realize a truly “do it if it feels good” nation that is stuck to the bottom of the garbage dumpster. Some will pass the test, and they will carry quite a special torch forward in time.

This sort of thing is one in a long line example of man showing his imperfection. In my opinion, we should always make a play for it anyway.

As for the politics, truly a blood in the water moment for a certain group of people. Have your fun. Just remember that the young girl isn’t out stumping for McCain and I would suggest you treat her accordingly.

MarcusBrody on September 1, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Here here!

petunia on September 1, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Of course, this IS a bastard child, conceived out of wedlock (which really doesn’t matter), so the question is how will the hardcore Christians rationalize their support for her without drowning in a pool of hypocrisy? – Dave Rywall on September 1, 2008 at 1:52 PM

I’m trying to decide if you are an asshole or a douchebag. *flips coin* Yup. You’re a douchebag. Congratulations, gypsum board.

ManlyRash on September 1, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Update: And here’s NBC pushing the abstinence-only angle.

Well, that’s the only real angle on this that really matters politically…

ninjapirate on September 1, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Of course, this IS a bastard child, conceived out of wedlock (which really doesn’t matter), so the question is how will the hardcore Christians rationalize their support for her without drowning in a pool of hypocrisy?

Dave Rywall on September 1, 2008 at 1:52 PM

What hypocrisy is there to be found here? It’d be hypocritical if the pro-life Palin got her daughter an abortion, but that isn’t the case here.

I don’t believe the evangelicals will be HAPPY about this, but do not act as if the fact that she’s choosing to keep the child and take responsibility (i.e. get married) counts for nothing.

Vyce on September 1, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Upon this gifted age, in its dark hour
falls from the sky a meteoric shower of facts;
They lie unquestioned, uncombined.
Wisdom enough to leech us of our ill
is daily spun,
But there exists no loom
to weave it into fabric.

FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM

That demned thing doesn’t even rhyme and if it doesn’t rhyme it is not a poem.

BlakeneyP on September 1, 2008 at 2:20 PM

One more thing, having grown up in a Lutheran community, in an Orthodox country, with Calvinists in neighboring regions, for centuries girls got pregnant before being married. There are no exceptions, religion of any kind, politics of any segment. It’s in the nature of things.

The talk from the left on topic is mute from the get go, given their ‘progressivism’. The hypocrisy from the right is staggering, as it always was, and will be.

Entelechy on September 1, 2008 at 2:21 PM

WoosterOh on September 1, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Take a pill.

a capella on September 1, 2008 at 2:21 PM

Hi all – just woke up not too long ago and read the last 3 pages on this post – what I haven’t figured out yet was if the Messiah has come out and made the public announcement to “LEAVE FAMILIES OUT OF IT” like he did when we had the audacity to criticize his wife’s public stump speeches?

HawaiiLwyr on September 1, 2008 at 2:21 PM

D Rywall
Why are you always so angry? A true Christian knows that we are not perfect. I had the same situation in my house and I’ll bet that all of us ordinary folk, who aren’t perfect, understand this situation very well.

It’s easy to love the perfect but much harder to love the sinner. I’m not perfect, mu daughter’s not perfect but my grandson is absolutely perfect!

Vince on September 1, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Oh. I thought I was at HotAir.
Somehow got redirected to alphie’s blog.

Solution is easy – delete bookmark.

Stephen M on September 1, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Thank you, Sen. McCain, for either lacking the ability to persuade Gov. Jindal or just not asking for him to join you.
In 2012, hopefully Gov. Jindal, without association to McCain’s iniquities and baggage, will run for President and help undo the mess that either McCain or Obama will leave. Gov. Jindal becoming President will be much easier though if Obama gets elected, which is sad, but true.

Send_Me on September 1, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Oink on September 1, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Geez. Do you even bother to read my posts? I don’t personally have a problem with the situation of the Palin family. I am simply thinking in terms of how this plays out in the political world. As we have seen for the past 8 years, lies, smears and half-truths are used to fool the American electorate into believing one thing or another. And, we have already seen many left-of-center commenters here (and I have read lefties on other blogs saying the same thing) point out the hypocrisy angle.

This isn’t about living up to the left’s standards of teen pregnancy, this is about living up to the right’s standards of frowning on teen pregnancy and wanting it decreased. When the Left sees the Right saying teen pregnancy is now no big deal and should be celebrated (granted the celebration is over keeping the baby, not the out-of-wedlock teen sex), they will call hypocrisy.

This is not about what’s fair and what’s fact. The facts are simple: Palin’s teen daughter was having out-of-wedlock sex as a teenager, got pregnant and has decided to marry the father and have the baby. What’s fair is that people don’t encourage the out-of-wedlock teen sex, but do celebrate the decision to have the baby. However, the politics of the situation is not so simple as that. Politics is never fair, never logical and never simple, even though it should be.

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 2:22 PM

petunia:

If Romney had gotten the nomination, I would have voted for him. If he had gotten the VP nod, I would have supported him. I do not have a problem with Mormons. I am simply pointing out what should be an obvious fact: Romney has baggage of his own in terms of political liability. Is it fair? No, but then again going after Palin over this is not really fair either.

Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 2:22 PM

It should be pointed out that the age of consent in Alaska is 16. The minimum age to marry is 18 without the parent’s permission. (link)

mcg on September 1, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Brilliant person on HillaryClintonforum.net, as reposted to Free Republic:

Who was born to a unwed teenage mother? Barack Obama.

indythinker on September 1, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Clearly none of you are, so untie your underwear knots.

Wrong again, champ.

Bob's Kid on September 1, 2008 at 2:23 PM

That demned thing doesn’t even rhyme and if it doesn’t rhyme it is not a poem.

BlakeneyP on September 1, 2008 at 2:20 PM

LOL……Alas, poor Yorick!

FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 2:23 PM

What hypocrisy is there to be found here? It’d be hypocritical if the pro-life Palin got her daughter an abortion, but that isn’t the case here.

It’s hypocrisy because they want it to be.

Jim Treacher on September 1, 2008 at 2:23 PM

The hypocrisy from the right is staggering, as it always was, and will be.

Entelechy on September 1, 2008 at 2:21 PM

Regarding?

a capella on September 1, 2008 at 2:23 PM

I’m just interested in hearing how they squirm their logic around. – Dave Rywall on September 1, 2008 at 2:01 PM

And I’m interested in hearing how you are able to type with your head so far up your ass.

ManlyRash on September 1, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Upon this gifted age, in its dark hour
falls from the sky a meteoric shower of facts;
They lie unquestioned, uncombined.
Wisdom enough to leech us of our ill
is daily spun,
But there exists no loom
to weave it into fabric.

FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM

I vote that we heretofore leave the poetic prose to BlakeneyP by solemn rule.

cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 2:24 PM

It’s all about who’se ox is being gored.

Entelechy on September 1, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Sink me. The Lady does have a way of putting her finger on the heart of the mater.

BlakeneyP on September 1, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Michael:

I am sure there will be political repercussions. I have my doubts as to how extreme they will be. But although I liked Fred Thompson, he had a very lively love life and no doubt all sorts of things might have come out had he been nominated. None of these people are above reproach. Just ask John Edwards.

Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 2:25 PM

I was pretty excited about the Palin pick, but nervous too. Part of me thought, “She sounds too good to be true.”

With the one-two punch of the “bridge to nowhere” flip-flop and Bristol’s pregnancy, it’s now clear she was too good to be true.

I’m still voting for McCain, but I think Palin is likely to be a net negative for the ticket. McCain should have picked Kay Bailey Hutchison – a less exciting but also less risky choice.

sauropod on September 1, 2008 at 2:26 PM

You all are going to yell at me for being sanctimonious, but I have to tell you: This does NOT make me happy.
 
[rant on]
It’s appropriate to make the best of a bad situation and show compassion, but there’s nothing here to celebrate. Being pregnant out of wedlock may be commonplace, but it’s still a shame and a scandal, whether the mother-to-be is a Hollywood celebrity or a small-town girl. The fact that our society just casually accepts unmarried motherhood is a sign of how corrupt we’ve become. (And no, I’m not one of those oh-so-scary evangelicals. My family weren’t even churchgoers.)
[rant off]
 
That said, I do feel sorry for kids nowadays. They’re steeped in sexualizing influences from the time they first begin to focus their eyes. They’re also caught in a trap between biology and sociology. I began to notice this in my own teenage years, but it’s even worse now.
 
Back in our peasant days, a girl would reach menarche at 14 or so, by which point her mother would have taught her how to run a household and take care of babies (pretty much the only career option open to women for most of history). She would then be competent to get married and start leading an adult life right around the time of reaching sexual maturity. Likewise a boy would hit puberty at around the same age, by which time he would have already learned to farm from his father, or already be apprenticed to a trade, and thus ready to start independent adulthood.
 
For us, starting with the post-WWII generation, it’s not so simple.
Because we’re better fed, we hit puberty much earlier than we used to even a century ago. But we also have so much more to learn before we can function in society as adults. So now we have this awkward gap where we have sexually mature bodies, but we’re still not able to shoulder full adult responsibility.
 
That said, Bristol and the father of her baby are doing the right thing by getting married and raising their child, and I wholeheartedly support them in that. (Not that my support is relevant to them, but they still have it.)
 
And I’m still determinedly voting McCain/Palin ‘08. To those who say that Gov. Palin is now unfit to be VP, I say, would you refuse to see a doctor whose daughter was pregnant? Would you quit taking your car to a mechanic who was about to become a grandpa a bit ahead of schedule? Of course not! It’s completely irrelevant.
 

Mary in LA on September 1, 2008 at 2:26 PM

This is a whole lot of nothing. Again, Palin is the only one of the four candidates that cannot be accused of being “out of touch” with the things regular families go through. Her daughter being pregnant will not help or hurt her in the election – unless the left pushes too hard – then it will hurt them and help get McCain and Palin elected.

forest on September 1, 2008 at 2:26 PM

I honestly think this will help them. I don’t know of anyone who will take this as a failing on the part of Sarah Palin. It’s not the best thing but they’re marrying each other and they’re keeping the baby.

The reason I think it’ll help is that it won’t erode his support among Social Cons or Christians any but the Leftists will go crazy over this and create a massive backlash. Also, as Michelle Malkin said this further draws a difference between Obama and Palin.

I don’t know, maybe I’m just a crazy insane optimist.

Kronos on September 1, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Sen_Me:

Jindal has less experience than Palin and is only 38 years old and did not want the job.

Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 2:27 PM

It’s always possible for a responsible parent to be outsmarted by a teenager, but it’s a lot easier when the parent(s) aren’t paying attention. Somehow, I doubt that Bristol and her boyfriend only did it once.

Contrary to what appears to be the balance of opinion on HA, a pregnant 17 year old represents a certain level of parental failure. That doesn’t mean Palin (or her daughter) is a bad person or even that Palin is a bad parent, but it does suggest that she didn’t do a very good job at one her key management challenges. See where I’m going with this?

Infidoll on September 1, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Exactly. The “if she can’t control things in her own home, then…” line of attack. We’ll see if it sticks with the electorate. We know that the mass media is going to use it.

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 2:27 PM

The Social Cons should still support her.

Tim Burton on September 1, 2008 at 2:15 PM

+1

Leftists and secular conservatives have a cartoon in their head of social cons like you and me saying: “sex bad.”

We can’t change them, but we can appeal to those with open minds. To a social con, “sex bad” is not a principle we hold. On the contrary, we think sex is very good, and giving life is extremely good. Regardless of circumstances.

It’s the leftists and secular conservatives who degrade sex by removing all meaning from it, and treating teenagers like dogs that need to be chemically neutered.

jeff_from_mpls on September 1, 2008 at 2:28 PM

It is priceless to watch the vaunted GOP Party Unity tm on display…..

Mitt was not the choice Palin was and this is a non-issue unless the GOP gives it legs it makes the donks look silly to middle america the undecided….

they want to harp on Palin’s daughter we should be DEMANDING the MSM harp on Barry’s HARD drug use end of story…./the rest is just sour grapes noise on our end.

sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Thanks. So is the news a net loss or net gain?

Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Small loss I would suspect.

On the left, you get those who actually prefer Clinton or Edwards precisely because they’re “sinners”–authentic, failed humans, if you will.

On the right, you see a similar phenomenon. “Sinners” give others the opportunity to “forgive.” It’s spiritually uplifting.

All things being equal, it’s best I suppose to keep your house in as much order as possible, especially when you’re trying to impress others.

JiangxiDad on September 1, 2008 at 2:28 PM

The One’s mother was also a teenager when she gave birth to him and married his father just six months before he was born.

Yep. Only problem was, Obama Sr. already had a pregnant wife back in Africa when he “married” Obama Jr.’s teenage mom. (BTW, Obama Jr. admits in his book that he never found any evidence that his parents were ever actually married to each other).

But I guess we shouldn’t talk about this, as it spoils the Obama Jr.-created myth of his parents as idealistic young civil rights crusaders who conceived Jr. (in 1960) in the afterglow of the 1965 civil rights march in Selma.

AZCoyote on September 1, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Who was born to a unwed teenage mother? Barack Obama.

Good point. I’d like to be a fly on the wall as they’re furiously trying to figure out how to capitalize on this without reminding people of that fact.

Jim Treacher on September 1, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Regarding?

a capella on September 1, 2008 at 2:23 PM

This should have nothing to do with Palin as VP. It’s really no one’s business. However, to claim that it’s so good that 17 years old get pregnant it over the top. Just imagine what this community would comment were a teen of a prominent leftie in the same boat.

The lefties have no right to talk “morals” when they overlook everything from their side, no matter who the subject is (see Clinton, Bill, Edwards…)

Obama is the last one to mention this, and probably won’t. If he’s smart he’ll instruct his camp to shut up about it.

Entelechy on September 1, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Sen. John McCain knew. A few members of his senior staff knew. Most members of his senior staff did not know. Palin’s spokesman in Alaska did not know. Palin’s campaign-appointed spokesman did not know. McCain staffers — at different levels of the campaign — are a bit stunned.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/bristols_revelation.php

ninjapirate on September 1, 2008 at 2:30 PM

You know it occurs to me that Palin should have stepped forward and announced the engagement of her 17 year-old daughter then taken questions or said and yes she is Pregnant. The emphasis should have been on the marriage.

I believe there are many sucessful marriages that were begun in this way. Maybe there is more divorce in them but it is really hard to see that it could be higher than the 50% or whatever of all marriages.

I don’t think age at time of marriage is very important. I was barely 19 and have been married 28 years and going strong. I don’t want you to assume the shot gun thing. Let’s just say I was married in a Mormon Temple and both my husband and I met the worthiness qualifications of such.

And we both graduated college and went to graduate school he graduated from an Ivy League Law School. I stay at home with my kids.

Early marriage doesn’t mean your life is over by any means. In fact I encourage my children to marry before sex and that early marriage is preferrable to pre-marital sex. Two kids marriaged two wonderful spouses and 4 to go…

petunia on September 1, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Even if Bristol was getting an abortion, I think this STILL wouldn’t effect Palin, because it’s her daughter… not Palin.

Enoxo on September 1, 2008 at 2:30 PM

The lefties on another board I go to are going crazy with this story. Comments like this:
“lol her 17 year old daughter is pregnant. ”
“dammit, someone was thinking just like me ! That ’s those conservative values i espouse ! Premarital sex and pregnancy, and great milky cans”

I sigh. These are the people I deal with sometimes.

Trov on September 1, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Geez. Do you even bother to read my posts? I don’t personally have a problem with the situation of the Palin family. I am simply thinking in terms of how this plays out in the political world. As we have seen for the past 8 years, lies, smears and half-truths are used to fool the American electorate into believing one thing or another. And, we have already seen many left-of-center commenters here (and I have read lefties on other blogs saying the same thing) point out the hypocrisy angle.

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 2:22 PM

You’re not telling us anything we don’t already know. You’re simply attempting to incessantly drown this thread with in negative bilge.

Give us a real clarion call; gives the counter argument.

FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 2:30 PM

With the one-two punch of the “bridge to nowhere” flip-flop and Bristol’s pregnancy, it’s now clear she was too good to be true.

Bzzzt.

Have you even read her response to the “bridge to nowhere” stuff?

She supported it because it actually did serve a need — despite what the media tells you. Once it was clear that her constituency didn’t support it, she withdrew her support.

This will fizzle into nothing.

cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Entelechy and Michael in MI:

nice posts.

okonkolo on September 1, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Who was born to a unwed teenage mother? Barack Obama.

indythinker on September 1, 2008 at 2:23 PM

He was not born out of wedlock. She was pregnant out of wedlock but was married to Barack Sr. six months before Barack Jr. was born.

RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Is this really an issue?

Defector01 on September 1, 2008 at 12:26 PM

This one thing? No.

But the Liberal spin machine is going to take that and the “She was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it”, the supposed scandal, the raising of the tax on a barrel of oil pumped out of Alaska, her inexperience and whatever else starts coming out and just pound the GOP ticket on it.

And therein lies the problem.

BallisticBob on September 1, 2008 at 2:31 PM

From the front page:

Laura Bush on sexist attacks on Palin: “The other side is going to have to be particularly careful”

cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 2:31 PM

All things being equal, it’s best I suppose to keep your house in as much order as possible, especially when you’re trying to impress others.

JiangxiDad on September 1, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Sanest comment. Welcome back. I missed you much.

Thank you okonkolo.

Entelechy on September 1, 2008 at 2:31 PM

the “hard-right conservative base” that liberal Democrats consistently invoke is largely a caricature that lives only in their minds and as a convenient trope in their rhetoric

And that goes double for the “self-righteous Christianist” caricature that so much of the hyper-judgmental left projects onto us believers. We evangelicals are the first to share our long list of sins — it’s called witnessing.

Terrie on September 1, 2008 at 2:32 PM

The Palin’s could always say they weren’t in church when the preacher talked about not having pre-marital sex.

Just sayin…

SouthernGent on September 1, 2008 at 2:32 PM

He was not born out of wedlock. She was pregnant out of wedlock but was married to Barack Sr. six months before Barack Jr. was born.

RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 2:30 PM

I’m not certain about this, but wasn’t the father also married to another woman at the time?

Entelechy on September 1, 2008 at 2:32 PM

I vote that we heretofore leave the poetic prose to BlakeneyP by solemn rule.

cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 2:24 PM

And I disregard your vote.

FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Goldstein is so right about this:

the “hard-right conservative base” that liberal Democrats consistently invoke is largely a caricature that lives only in their minds and as a convenient trope in their rhetoric, from whence it can be trotted out as a foil and a boogeyman on cue

Lefties can never give up their distortions of eeeevil fundies. Right Alphie? Right Rywall?

Bugler on September 1, 2008 at 2:33 PM

I know you want to blame them because your guy Romney did not get the nod,

Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Wow, you really don’t pay any attention to what I post in my comments, do you?

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Michael:

Trust me, the Russians are easier to handle than teenagers.

Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Yep. Only problem was, Obama Sr. already had a pregnant wife back in Africa when he “married” Obama Jr.’s teenage mom. (BTW, Obama Jr. admits in his book that he never found any evidence that his parents were ever actually married to each other).

But I guess we shouldn’t talk about this, as it spoils the Obama Jr.-created myth of his parents as idealistic young civil rights crusaders who conceived Jr. (in 1960) in the afterglow of the 1965 civil rights march in Selma.

AZCoyote on September 1, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Bullseye Barry is about to get his manger story nuked if he goes or lets the press go after Palin’s kid.

“O’bamas” was a pimp out of control African’s baby making franchise….

“who’s your daddy?” barry?

sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Dearest Dave Rywall,
A hardcore Christian will not have anything nasty to say about a pregnant teen. A pharisee who tries to control people will.
A hardcore Christian will love and respect a pregnant teen. A so called Christian who points their finger and scoffs needs to go read their Bible again and pay attention.

Dave, you need Jesus in your life. You need him to break those stones around your heart. You need to let him love you like he promises he will.

GoodBoy on September 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM

infidoll,
“See where I’m going with this”

Yes. Any time a child does something different than what their parents would like them to do, it indicates some level of parental failure. That, of course, applies to how well they follow the speed limits, if they come to a “full and complete stop” at stop signs, how much they study at night, and if they ever drink even a tiny amount when they are underage. By your definition, every parent who has ever lived has been a failure, because no child who has ever lived has been perfect. (The exception being Jesus, but Mary and Joseph were failures with the subsequent children.)

exhelodrvr on September 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM

If anything this could be an argument about the culture war. The left is all for spitting out P Diddy and Britney and exposing teens to all sorts of counter culture crap.

This shows that even in the best of families having to compete with the crap hollywood and the media throw out everyday is a challenge. And that more of the same with just passing out condoms isnt the answer.

William Amos on September 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Michael:

I saw your post about Fred after I wrote that. I am having trouble keeping up. The same thing applies.

Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Being pregnant out of wedlock may be commonplace, but it’s still a shame and a scandal, whether the mother-to-be is a Hollywood celebrity or a small-town girl.

Nonsensical and antique thinking.

1950 called .. they want their sensibilities back.

cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Just a guess on my part, but given the thousands(or more)women who have been presented with this issue, I have a feeling that these will relate—both the families of same and women, young and old, who have found themselves in similar circumstances. I very much doubt it will be a real issue except for those who choose to make it so.

jeanie on September 1, 2008 at 2:35 PM

If I’m right, then the nutroots’s smears about Palin’s own pregnancy gave McCain an amazingly fortuitous pretext here. Now he gets to play the victim — “we had to do it to stop those dastardly left-wing bloggers from hurting the family” — instead of just someone making an embarrassing admission.

Not a pretext to refute the smears, an opportunity to disclose the news while highlighting the smears and generating backlash.

obladioblada on September 1, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Wow, you really don’t pay any attention to what I post in my comments, do you?

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Nope- we ingnore it just like we do all LeftWing/ Mainstream media tripe…..

FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Entelechy on September 1, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Thank you.

JiangxiDad on September 1, 2008 at 2:36 PM

But we also have so much more to learn before we can function in society as adults. So now we have this awkward gap where we have sexually mature bodies, but we’re still not able to shoulder full adult responsibility.

You’re falling for the scam of the century.

Look deep inside yourself. You were capable of responsibility around the age of 10-14 due to the laws of physical and psychological development.

Behind your claim that a 17 year old is not prepared for responsibility is a twisted piece of brainwashing you got from pop-culture. Want me to translate it for you? Starting with the baby boom generation, this culture does not accept or want responsibility. Liberalism itself is the desire for perpetual childhood.

So they whimper that teenagers who can’t figure out responsibility must be chemically neutered because they’re just not ready to grow up yet.

That’s a recipe for social collapse. It’s underway as we speak.

jeff_from_mpls on September 1, 2008 at 2:36 PM

If anything this could be an argument about the culture war. The left is all for spitting out P Diddy and Britney and exposing teens to all sorts of counter culture crap.

This shows that even in the best of families having to compete with the crap hollywood and the media throw out everyday is a challenge. And that more of the same with just passing out condoms isnt the answer.

William Amos on September 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Bingo Amos, if the GOP closes ranks we have a shining example of a win in the culture war…a family taking the damage from society to our morals and rising above it to do the right thing.

If we fissure like the MSM is hoping we get Mr. “baby=s punishment” making SCOTUS nominations.

It is no contest or problem for me to choose to close ranks.

sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 2:36 PM

This is a non story- Happy she’s having the baby and the child will be loved and supported.
Alan Colmes is a dirt bag. That is the lowest of the low. Does he remind anyone else of those creatures, Slestaks (sp?) on the 70’s tv show “Land of the Lost”?

right wing chicky on September 1, 2008 at 2:37 PM

“The media are already trying to spin this as evidence Gov. Palin is a ‘hypocrite,’ but all it really means is that she and her family are human. They are in my prayers and those of millions of Americans.”

Hats off to Dobson.

Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 2:37 PM

I vote that we heretofore leave the poetic prose to BlakeneyP by solemn rule.

cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Here’s the one sweet lesson of history
Every soul is a mystery
Faces they rearrange
What you thought you knew grows strange
And we all have so many faces
The real self often erases
With all those lies dancing in our eyes!

BlakeneyP on September 1, 2008 at 2:37 PM

Fox is now saying that they believe the media and Obama will keep their hands off of this.

Yyyyeeeah.

cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Nonsensical and antique thinking.

1950 called .. they want their sensibilities back.

cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Nah, always was, always will be.

Entelechy on September 1, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Not a pretext to refute the smears, an opportunity to disclose the news while highlighting the smears and generating backlash.

obladioblada on September 1, 2008 at 2:35 PM

You get the 3d chess aspect of McCain’s mind….

every move he’s made sets up the next GOP meme and exposes the hypocrisy of the leftbats.

McCain may have just trapped them into putting their culture of death on full display.

sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 2:38 PM

INC on September 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Well said. (applause)

******

Dave Rywall on September 1, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Your knowledge and understanding of Christianity is sorely lacking. The only other choice is that you’re just trying to prove to the rest of us just how much of a jackass you really are.

.

GT on September 1, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Just imagine what this community would comment were a teen of a prominent leftie in the same boat.

Entelechy on September 1, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Some people would snark for sure, but they would be drowned out by the ones who would point out that minor children are off limits.

RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Forget the hard-right conservative base, do we really need these crazy wingnuts?

AprilOrit on September 1, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Please, please, please KOStards and Obamabots jump all over this. Demonize the crap out of Palin. And then, much, much, later, think about how many of the women in your base have had babies out of wedlock….

ErikTheRed on September 1, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Obama just said not to spread the rumors or if you do and work for me you will be fired according to fox news.Its a private family matter according to him.

tee866 on September 1, 2008 at 2:39 PM

JiangxiDad on September 1, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Thanks for your answer.

Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 2:39 PM

In the abortion debate, the left loves to criticize the right for not walking the walk. Well, you have a Presidential candidate who adopted an orphan, and now the Palins.

exhelodrvr on September 1, 2008 at 2:39 PM

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