Oy: Palin’s daughter is pregnant; Update: Althouse on Palin vs. Edwards; Update: Obama tells media to lay off Palin’s daughter; Update: Media knew
posted at 12:23 pm on September 1, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Supposedly McCain knew. Did he?
The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.
Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin’s five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain…
Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter’s pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way…
McCain officials said the news of the daughter’s pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called “mud-slinging and lies” circulating on liberal blog sites.
And here’s the statement, via Team McCain, from Palin and her husband:
“We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us. Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We’re proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support.
“Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi’s privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates.”
Gathering my thoughts. Stand by for updates.
Update: It shouldn’t hurt Palin but it will, because like I said in my pessimism post on Friday, any sort of embarrassment that she brings to the campaign will be used by the media to push the Dan Quayle/disastrous gamble meme, whether or not the embarrassment’s her own fault or not. (They’ll spin it as a comment on McCain’s “judgment” in picking her.) The left, normally all for teen sex, will naturally use it as an excuse to call her daughter a whore in the guise of criticizing Palin herself for her position on abstinence-only education, which is why I’m thinking maybe McCain really did know about it: Per KP’s analysis, the nastier and more personal the left gets, the greater the risk of a backlash that benefits Palin.
Belated exit question: Anyone find it amazingly coincidental that Daily Kos went after Palin’s own pregnancy right out of the chute on Friday, with no apparent evidence whatsoever, and now we find out that her daughter’s actually pregnant? I usually scoff at the idea of party researchers planting memes with bloggers, especially since the nutroots is so paranoid about that happening on the right, but that’s a simply remarkable stoke of good luck on their part, no?
Update: A second belated exit question: Did they really release this to quash nutroots rumors, which were already pretty well quashed this morning, or because between Gustav and the convention it’s the perfect time to bury it?
Update: Between CNN wondering why the mother of a special needs baby would head off on the campaign trail and Alan Colmes rolling around in the sewer, the left’s been itching since the announcement on Friday to paint her as an unfit mother. Expect a lot of very solemn tut-tutting about how selfish Palin is to have accepted the nomination knowing it’ll only throw a spotlight on her poor daughter, even as they themselves ratchet that spotlight up to nuclear-flash brightness.
Update: Since the dirty laundry’s all coming out today, sources close to Palin tell David Brody that Palin’s husband was arrested for DUI 22 years ago.
Update: A commenter suggests a title for when they make a movie of this saga: “Juneau.”
Update: KP was ahead of the game:
A McCain campaign official tells ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos that McCain knew of Bristol’s pregnancy and “didn’t believe Governor Palin should be disqualified” from the vice presidency because of it. “If Democrats try to attack, it will backfire spectacularly,” the official said.
Update: The more I think about it, the more I think McCain probably did know. The timing is simply perfect to release the news: You wouldn’t want to do it on Friday, lord knows, when she’s getting her intro to the country, and you wouldn’t want to do it later in the campaign when it’s closer to Election Day or even later this week when it’d distract from her convention speech. Now’s the time to do it, when it’ll be no higher than the third-most important story of the day.
If I’m right, then the nutroots’s smears about Palin’s own pregnancy gave McCain an amazingly fortuitous pretext here. Now he gets to play the victim — “we had to do it to stop those dastardly left-wing bloggers from hurting the family” — instead of just someone making an embarrassing admission.
Update: Jonathan Martin says social cons won’t be happy about the news. True, but they won’t be particularly upset about it either. The left will push this hard thinking that it’s some kind of dealbreaker for the Christian right, but to believe that you’d have to fundamentally misunderstand where the Christian right’s main emphasis lies. Says Goldstein:
Many on the left will believe, quite mistakenly, that such an announcement is likely to weaken Palin’s support among “the hard-right conservative base”. But in fact, it will do no such thing — first, because the “hard-right conservative base” that liberal Democrats consistently invoke is largely a caricature that lives only in their minds and as a convenient trope in their rhetoric, from whence it can be trotted out as a foil and a boogeyman on cue; and second, because those energized over the choice of Palin include many disaffected libertarians and classical liberals who were, until the announcement of the Governor’s candidacy, set to either sit the election out, or else cast a protest vote for Bob Barr.
Update: And as if right on cue to prove my last point, here’s David Brody of CBN explaining why this won’t hurt Palin with the base.
I’m sure lots of people will take their shots at the pro-life Christian woman but hold on a moment. If you think Evangelicals are going to ditch her for this, you’re totally misreading the situation. As a matter of fact, they are ready to fire back at any potential critics…
Look, this development will actually be positive for the most part with Evangelicals. First they hear that Sarah Palin chooses the life option even though she had a Downs Syndrome baby and once again the family (and Bristol) has chosen the life option in this recent case. That’s a double “ca-ching”. Let’s call this the Evangelical daily double. If anything, this whole situation will probably make more people around the country relate to her and her family. It makes them more real. Will there by some turned off by the whole pre-marital sex thing? Of course but this type of story doesn’t sink her at all with Evangelicals.
Update: The boss notes the contrast with Obama’s notorious “punished with a baby” comment, something else that’ll make it hard for him to capitalize on this with Christians.
Update: Every post Althouse has written about Palin is worth reading, but this is especially sharp:
Oh, that looks like a meme. Sarah Palin must stay home with her special needs baby. Sarah Palin must stay home with her about-to-be-married, pregnant daughter. Ladies: Put your career on hold until everything in you’re family stops happening… Would a man forgo his career to be there for a family member who is experiencing an important life transition?
Remember when John Edwards decided to go on with his campaign after his wife got a diagnosis of inoperable cancer? Now, I think Elizabeth Edwards was probably excited about the campaign and wanted to go on with it. In that light, why are you assuming that Bristol Palin isn’t excited about her mother’s campaign? Unlike Elizabeth Edwards, Bristol is not facing her last days. She’s just starting out — all caught up in life. Presumably, she intense and positive about her pro-life beliefs, her love for the baby’s father, her impending wedding, and the new baby on the way.
Update: Needless to say, for a variety of reasons you won’t be hearing anything about this from Team Barry. But in case any more reason was needed, people are e-mailing to remind me that The One’s mother was also a teenager when she gave birth to him and married his father just six months before he was born. That won’t stop the left from attacking, of course — remember, the ostensible sin here is hypocrisy, not teen motherhood, even though the point clearly enough is to try to shame Palin with her daughter’s morals.
Update: And here’s NBC pushing the abstinence-only angle.
Update: For once, Dobson sounds the right note:
“In the 32-year history of Focus on the Family, we have offered prayer, counseling and resource assistance to tens of thousands of parents and children in the same situation the Palins are now facing. We have always encouraged the parents to love and support their children and always advised the girls to see their pregnancies through, even though there will of course be challenges along the way. That is what the Palins are doing, and they should be commended once again for not just talking about their pro-life and pro-family values, but living them out even in the midst of trying circumstances.
“Being a Christian does not mean you’re perfect. Nor does it mean your children are perfect. But it does mean there is forgiveness and restoration when we confess our imperfections to the Lord. I’ve been the beneficiary of that forgiveness and restoration in my own life countless times, as I’m sure the Palins have.
“The media are already trying to spin this as evidence Gov. Palin is a ‘hypocrite,’ but all it really means is that she and her family are human. They are in my prayers and those of millions of Americans.”
Update: Like I’ve been telling you all along, The One may be many things, but he’s no dummy. Consider this the equivalent of McCain’s “congratulations” ad last week: Classy, and also shrewd.
Mr. Obama, campaigning here, also noted that his own mother was 18 when she gave birth to him.
“People’s families are off limits,” he said. “People’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. ”
“I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories,” he added. “That shouldn’t be a topic in our politics.”
He vehemently pushed back against an unnamed McCain aide suggesting his campaign had any ties to the blogs that were spreading rumors before the news broke, saying he was “offended” by that and if any of his staff was involved in spreading the issue, “they’d be fired.”
Update: Your must-read of the day: Time reporter Nathan Thornburgh on how he’d already heard all about the pregnancy from people in Wasilla and how they — and he — agreed that it was nobody’s business but the Palins’.
All weekend they had the decency not to pretend that they didn’t know the governor’s eldest daughter was pregnant. But they also expected decency in return, that I wouldn’t be the kind of person to make sport out of a young girl’s slip…
As for the idea — sure to be floated—that the avowedly anti-abortion Palin may have pressured her poor daughter to ruin her life by carrying an unwanted baby to term, I wouldn’t bet on it. The Palin family seems to share the same pro-life values going back at least as far back as anyone here can remember, and it wouldn’t be at all surprising if Bristol wore those values, however imperfectly, as her own. At least, that’s what the town thinks. And Wasilla, above all, is pretty sensible.
Update: Lee Stranahan does the math for Trig Truthers: “Some people are still holding onto the fake pregnancy rumor. Let’s just do some math. Trig was on April 18, 2008 – about four months and a week ago. Bristol is said to be five months pregnant. Now, if you want to pretend that the five month date is a total lie then you’d also have to believe that the 17 year old had a Down’s Syndrome baby then turned right around and got pregnant again presumably because the first premature birth was so freakin’ awesome!”
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Yes, I remember the Democrats deserting Al Gore in droves back in 2000, when his son got caught with marijuana and doing 90 in a 55 mph zone. “If you spend enough time with your kids, they tend to avoid mistakes like this,” I believe someone once said…
jon1979 on September 1, 2008 at 1:45 PM
I think that the family’s statement was great. Teenagers having babies means that their lives will be harder but think of the compensation: a new life!
I can’t wait for the day I get to vote Palin for President!
Laurence on September 1, 2008 at 1:45 PM
barry:
So what is Sarah Palin supposed to do? Drop out of politics? That child is not going to cease to exist. If this makes her bad mother and a terrible person today, then how does that change next year or the year after?
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Wait .. now I’m confused .. It’s Sarah Palin who’s teenaged and pregnant now?
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 1:46 PM
What do you mean by this?
That we knew you think we are phonies or that we know we are phonies? If you are going to insult then be clear or don’t bother.
jmarcure on September 1, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Just one of those things. The family will have to close in around her and support her–that’s how it’s done. She isn’t the first and won’t be the last. We, as supporters of Palin, will have to do the same but on a less personal scale. How she and they and we handle this will be a proving ground of immense proportions. While some will use it against her, others(who may have been there themselves)will see it as a test of character.
jeanie on September 1, 2008 at 1:46 PM
It just helps people relate to her even more. She’s dealing with issues many American families are dealing with.
Man I hope your side listens to you. So far the Left’s reaction to Plain has helped McCain tremendously.
TheBigOldDog on September 1, 2008 at 1:46 PM
I’m not alienated.
It just reinforces her authenticity. And good for her daughter for doing the right thing.
Sir Andrew on September 1, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Oh what a clash this subject matter causes, and both sides have their warriors. I personally would rather see human beings champion moral behavior and fail, then to realize a truly “do it if it feels good” nation that is stuck to the bottom of the garbage dumpster. Some will pass the test, and they will carry quite a special torch forward in time.
This sort of thing is one in a long line example of man showing his imperfection. In my opinion, we should always make a play for it anyway.
As for the politics, truly a blood in the water moment for a certain group of people. Have your fun. Just remember that the young girl isn’t out stumping for McCain and I would suggest you treat her accordingly.
MarcusBrody on September 1, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Congratulations Bristol and Levi on the wonderful news, and congratulations expectant grandparents Todd and Gov. Sarah Palin.
And Great Grandpa McCain gets to through a baby shower in the White House!
BDU-33 on September 1, 2008 at 1:47 PM
So Palin should withdrawl because her daughter got pregnant and she kept running for office
Can I ask barry Obama to withdrawl for running for office after he admitted doing hard drugs in books setting an example for his two daughters yet still chose to run for President ?
William Amos on September 1, 2008 at 1:47 PM
It is interesting that with all the close scrutiny photos of Bristol have been getting, that they failed to see the very obvious engagement ring on her finger at the announcement. Certainly evidence that MacCain did, in fact, know this in advance.
ROMDOC on September 1, 2008 at 1:48 PM
How can you take somebody into porta-potty watching and blogs about it, seriously?
TheBigOldDog on September 1, 2008 at 1:48 PM
“Children are the most precious and promising ingredient in this mixed-up world you live in down there on Earth. Trig is no different, except he has one extra chromosome,” –Governor Palin, writing to her family about her new son.
“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.” — Senator Obama, speaking without a teleprompter.
Bishop on September 1, 2008 at 1:48 PM
You know, the Biblical model of how to use the home to raise and train our children gets such a bad rap, but you know what? It works. Whether anyone else does it, that’s their business, but as for me and my house…
Send_Me on September 1, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Let me repeat:…ahem!…..
Do me a favor Michael/MB4- give me the POSITIVE spin that the Right SHOULD make from this. Spell it all out.
FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 1:49 PM
That’s the way most average Americans will react I bet.
TheBigOldDog on September 1, 2008 at 1:49 PM
The problem is, MrScribbler, if some people are having the reactions they are having here, then we know that people are having similar reactions across the country when finding out about this.
This isn’t about being tolerant and “getting over it” and everything you mentioned. This is about politics. This is about how the American electorate is going to view this and how to campaign based on that.
Personally, I am of your opinion on this matter. However, my opinion doesn’t really matter. What matters is how the American electorate reacts and how the McCain-Palin campaign explains this.
I never would have thought that so-called “evangelicals” would have snubbed Mitt Romney simply over his Mormonism, but I was wrong about that. I underestimated their intolerance and the intolerance of the GOP electorate in general towards his Mormonism. So I am also not underestimating how many people across the country may hold this against the McCain-Palin campaign.
Time will tell. The mass media and the Left are sure going to use this to club the McCain-Palin campaign. It is going to be up to McCain and Palin to present this to the American people in a good way so as not to hurt them politically.
Remember, this is politics. This is not about being fair or tolerant or whatever. Smears and lies and half-truths rule the day. Half the things said about President Bush are not true, but they stuck in the electorate’s mind.
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Your right, every working mother who’s 17 year old daughter got pregnant should be chastised for their lack of parental skill. Yeah thats gonna fly with normal Americans.
Its gonna be a very long and depressing 8 years for you. My sister just opened her practice. She is now accepting patients. I’ll see what I can do for you.Oh, and another thing…..Was it not the left that championed woman like Murphy Brown.
mikkins on September 1, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Patriots of Hotair, come gather your bloody buquets!
Now gaze on our goddess of justice
With her shimmering, glimmering blade
As she kisses these traitors she sings them a last serenade
BlakeneyP on September 1, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Obama’s mother was an unwed teenager. Let the dems try to disqualify her on that note and they will be eaten alive over it.
coffee260 on September 1, 2008 at 1:50 PM
So true. There’s the story of the Prodigal Son, you know, and “let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”
Brody’s article is good.
As as been already said previous by others, this contrasts so sharply with Obama saying he wouldn’t want his daughters “punished” with a baby.
Incredible how this has all played out to demonstrate the attitudes to the Left to the Right towards babies and families and life.
INC on September 1, 2008 at 1:50 PM
You have to go slow with alphie, logic isn’t its strong suit.
Bishop on September 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM
If it’s a typical social con response to what’s happening with the Palin family and their daughter that it really has no bearing on the election whatsoever and that it’s awesome and correct that they are being supportive and loving even when their daughter has obviously made choices they don’t agree with- then I think you are spot-on with your posting.If not then you’ve missed the whole point of the Prodigal Son Parable and are just being a snarky,condescending butthead.
creatureofdust on September 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM
And dont think Mitt would have been immune to smears. The left had a big effort ready to go after “Out of touch super rich Mitt”
There is no perfect candadate.
William Amos on September 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Kick her off the ticket and go with the smart choice….HUCK!
SaintOlaf on September 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Barack Obama has a nut for a wife, a nut for a spiritual advisor, and a nut for a friend.
Maybe we should just eliminate the middleman and say it: Judging by the company he keeps, Barack Obama is probably a nut.
Just to put the Bristol Palin’s pregnancy in context…..
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RJGatorEsq. on September 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM
I’m presenting my opinion on this. As I do on everything else. I don’t “spin” things for the sake of the right, the left, the GOP or the DNC. If you don’t like it, don’t read my posts. This is the last time I will address you on this forum.
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Note to ALLHPUNDIT, we dont care what you think of when McCain knew or if he knew, you have lost all credibility.
You belong on CNN or I know, coming to MCNBC, Allah and Combes, that would make a great show. Two nut cases talking about 17 yearolds who take responsibility for their actions, to bad some others did not do that.
WoosterOh on September 1, 2008 at 1:52 PM
It’s nobody’s fu*king business whether or not her daughter is pregnant.
Hey – just like it’s nobody’s fu*king business what kind of life Obama’s brother lives.
Any fringe Dems who pounce on this are as*holes and will deserve the huge backlash it may/will cause if they run with this.
Of course, this IS a bastard child, conceived out of wedlock (which really doesn’t matter), so the question is how will the hardcore Christians rationalize their support for her without drowning in a pool of hypocrisy?
Dave Rywall on September 1, 2008 at 1:52 PM
That’s just silly. We all know it’s her husband that’s pregnant and both the mother and daughter are covering it. I have it on good authority that that picture of Mrs. Palin with the dead Bambi was a lot more then just seeking lunch. If you know what I mean, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Jealousy is a harsh mistress, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?
jmarcure on September 1, 2008 at 1:52 PM
This is politics but at no time did anyone ever claim to be perfect. If so, post a link! Look at what Christian’s do when faced with challenges. Miss Palin and her family have chosen LIFE.
If you are claiming that Sarah Palin should be run back to Alaska on a rail because her daughter is pregnant, then you were just looking for ANYTHING/SOMETHING to hang on her. Get over it.
Oink on September 1, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Ok, Bristol is pregnant and plans to marry. I say great, God Bless her! I intend to send a card and a small gift.
Zorro on September 1, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Chortle!
Good one.
I’m an Evangelical Christian social con too and this doesn’t bother me one bit. Yeah, Bristol maybe should have kept her legs together–and believe me that if it were my daughter I’d be POd first and happy later–but that’s water under the bridge. There’s a new baby coming, and that’s cause for joy, no matter the circumstances of the conception.
So I add my congratulations to Bristol and Levi as they begin their new life together, and on their new baby. I wish them the many blessings of a long life and many children, and all the happiness they can fit into one lifetime.
Bob's Kid on September 1, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Is he vulgarian or sleek?
Authoritarian or meek?
I hear he’s steely as you please
I hear he’s really Japanese
He may be shrewd, he may be lewd
Ah well, it’s hard to tell
Who is Allahpundit?
BlakeneyP on September 1, 2008 at 1:53 PM
RJGatorEsq. on September 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM –
I thought Jesse Jackson had first claim on, er, umm…nuts.
coldwarrior on September 1, 2008 at 1:53 PM
I wish that Bristol had waited, as I’m sure the Palins do as well. But given that she went and did it, she and the family are handling it the right way, IMO. She’s made a choice that will make her life and her child’s life more challenging than it might otherwise have been. But she’s walking that path with what appears to be a great support system, and I wish her the best. I hope Bristol and Levi overcome the statistical odds against them, like Cap’n Ed’s son and daughter-in-law have done, and get an education and build a strong relationship that lasts the length of their lives.
aero on September 1, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Verily, thou hath imbibed of the cannibus and let the odd lamentations flow forth.
I salute thee.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 1:54 PM
The same huck whos son was accused of killing a dog ?
William Amos on September 1, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Its a sad thing that she’ll have to grow up so fast, but a great thing that she’ll raise the child and marry the father. Good luck to them both.
AbaddonsReign on September 1, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Again, where/when did Sarah Palin say her or her family is above sin? Post a link if you can find it! Hardcore evangelicals are fully aware that humans are flawed and they do sin. They have faith in Jesus to wash away sins. For the millionth time – watch for the family’s behavior when dealing with this situation. You will see a Christian family who has chosen life.
Oink on September 1, 2008 at 1:56 PM
I agree. Mitt wasn’t my candidate of choice. Fred Thompson was. Even then, I knew he was not perfect and AllahPundit, Michelle Malkin and Bryan Preston did a fantastic job smearing him (”silly hat” scandal!).
My point is that many people seem to be thinking about this logically and with the attitude “how could anyone dare think that way about this situation?!” I learned a long time ago that too many people do not treat politics in a logical way. It is all about emotion. And the campaigns and the mass media take advantage of that emotion, combined with most people’s ignorance of issues, in order to gain favor. Smears, lies and half-truths are the rule of politics.
That is how I am thinking about this issue. I understand that regardless of how ridiculous the smear attempt may be, unfortunately some things stick with the electorate. Bush Lied, global warming, TANG memos, Bush is an Idiot, etc. Time will tell if the American public falls for this smear as well.
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 1:56 PM
When you talk about Evangelicals–I am the one you are talking about.
Two single girls (ages 15 and 24) in my church got pregnant over the last year. The entire church family supported both of them, spiritually and financially. We were there for both of them 100%.
They were stunned: “You mean you don’t hate us?” No, we don’t. We love you and we are proud of you for choosing life.
If any lefty thinks this will hurt Sarah Palin–it won’t. Not. One. Bit. We are there for her and we are there for Bristol.
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RJGatorEsq. on September 1, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Obama had a mama
Who’s husband left them behind.
She raised him well
as we can tell.
But now he’s in a bind.
First came Willy Ayers
A terrorist with a flair
for bombing the Right
and then taking flight
to Obama whom he cares.
As he sat in his church’s pew
He never had a clue
That his pastor hated whites
And thought Jews were ….
But the times it happened were few.
Does anyone think it’s dumb
to partner with “lord slum”?
I guess when land is high
and he gives you a great buy.
Maybe he’s not such a bum.
Joe Biden thinks he’s clean.
So, how could “hair plugs” be mean?
If you’re an Indian man
in this American land,
Joey likes his slushy minty green.
And then you have Keith and Chrissy.
These two sissies are fit to hissy.
About Clinton and “McSame”
as well as Valerie Plame.
MSNBC has now moved to pissy!
CFL on September 1, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Do a quick look at my posts on this very thread and you will see I do not in any way present that statement in a snarky or condescending way.
Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 1:57 PM
So, according to the Left now, a woman’s place is in the home spending time with her children so that they don’t get into trouble?
I think you should go with that message and push it hard. It’s a real winner for you guys. Trust me on this. Would I steer you wrong?
Get with the program Dave. Your side has slide face first into every trap so far. Why would you want them to miss this one?
BTW, you really need to spend some time understanding your enemy, “hardcore Christians.” You’re tilting a windmills.
TheBigOldDog on September 1, 2008 at 1:58 PM
It’s always possible for a responsible parent to be outsmarted by a teenager, but it’s a lot easier when the parent(s) aren’t paying attention. Somehow, I doubt that Bristol and her boyfriend only did it once.
Contrary to what appears to be the balance of opinion on HA, a pregnant 17 year old represents a certain level of parental failure. That doesn’t mean Palin (or her daughter) is a bad person or even that Palin is a bad parent, but it does suggest that she didn’t do a very good job at one her key management challenges. See where I’m going with this?
Infidoll on September 1, 2008 at 1:58 PM
As a Charter member of DAMM (Drunks Against Mad Mothers) I am pleased to announce our support of Gov. Palin, and the FIRST DUDE.
Party ON! DUDE!
Romeo13 on September 1, 2008 at 1:58 PM
After doing some thinking and reading the updates above I feel a little calmer now.
This announcement is perfectly timed and will be overshadowed by the hurricane and the convention.
I suspect that plans will be made for a big, beautiful wedding for Bristol in Alaska with invitations sent to People and all the other fluff magazines.
Perhaps there will be a chance to get Sarah or even Bristol on one of the friendlier daytime TV talk shows, like Ellen, for example.
Bristol will be prepared for interviews – fluff stuff, really – but it will make her look wonderful. She will speak glowingly of her decision, of how much she loves her fiancee and looks forward to having her baby and being a mother.
Then she can drop the bombshell (if the interview is conducted before November 4). She can say “I know there are some people who would think this baby is a punishment or something like that, but to me it’s a blessing. Oh, by the way he/she is a girl/boy and we’re naming him/her [fill in the blank])”
This could work.
“Paging Karl Rove…please call your office.”
ManlyRash on September 1, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Okay, well Palin comes with more baggage than we thought. In fact quite alot of baggage. But I guess the rejection of Romney proves that baggage is not as important as the correct lexicon of religous language. So be it.
I was getting behind the pick. And I probably will again. It is just that there are real religous people who have lived up to what is correct and good religous principle who are repeatedly judged not equal politically with you.
The choices this little 17 year old made in moments of passion has nothing to do with her mother’s ability to govern. The best of parents often have children who stray. It has always been so. Both parents and child are taking appropriate responsibility for mistakes made.
I wish that this child did not have to have such a spotlight. I think we should work to make this girl off limits for bloggers and the press. It is simply so unfair to her.
I have suffered the judgement of Evangelicals. It is not fun. And I understand the anger that allows the Democrats to gloat over what they see as hypocracy. But that does not change the fact that this girl is not running for any public office and is still a child. She should not be ridiculed by bloggers or press.
petunia on September 1, 2008 at 1:59 PM
What I love about the unbiased MSM is how the Obama children get covered in People and the Palin children get dragged through the mud. Perhaps Michelle Obama would put in a good word about how all of this talk isn’t helping Palin’s daughter Bristol.
creatureofdust on September 1, 2008 at 1:59 PM
No, just not accepting the VP nomination. It’s about putting the country first.
barry norris on September 1, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Upon this gifted age, in its dark hour
falls from the sky a meteoric shower of facts;
They lie unquestioned, uncombined.
Wisdom enough to leech us of our ill
is daily spun,
But there exists no loom
to weave it into fabric.
FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Holy mackerel I didn’t know Palin and McCain were related. Isn’t that one of those crony, phobia things with hiring relatives? Isn’t that a bad thing if your are not liberal?
jmarcure on September 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Sink me, a man of letters and good taste.
BlakeneyP on September 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM
That is NOT a bastard child! He/she has a father: the father is going to give him/her his name and care for him/her. He’s MARRYING the mother, for cryin’ out loud!
That’s called Living Your Principles.
My husband’s parents were barely young adults when they found out that – surprise! – a child was coming. Living in the New Haven area, they could have easily made a stop at the local PP clinic and ended it all there. Instead, they went to a church and made their vows, in the presence of their families.
This year, they will celebrate their fortieth anniversary. Their only child will turn forty next year. And they will be grandparents a second time.
My husband a Bastard child? Oh, I’d love for you to say that to his face! I dare you!
If you have a problem with it, take it to Capt’n Ed. I KNOW he will give you a dress-down you will never forget!
And many of us here will stand right behind him, too!
newton on September 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM
You know, I definitely wonder about people. So the age of consent is 17 in California — Bristol doesn’t live in California; she lives in Alaska where the age of consent is 16. Okay, she goofed and got pregnant. How many of these righteous characters slamming her had premarital sex in their teens and were either lucky enough not to get caught by the odds, or just had an abortion rather than be “punished” with a baby? I guess if she’d had an abortion, that would have made it all hunky dory, hmm?
I hate to point it out, but we’re all imperfect, even the One and his rabid supporters. They should check out their feet of clay before they start tearing into a 17 year old girl. At least she’s trying to handle the situation responsibly without murdering her baby to do it.
hachiban on September 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM
The only way this story will have legs is if we let it. Why don’t we ever do what the dems do and circle the wagons and not let them tear down our candidates. Yet we join in and wounder why the dems can get away with it while our candidates are ruined by it. Well they protect their own. It is time to protect the ones worth protecting.
lwssdd on September 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM
I walked away and came back to Allah’s numerous (and wonderful) updates, and I can’t help thinking that after uproar dies down, the nutroots will realize that they’ve been running around in a dark room only to find when the lights are turned on that they are facing a corner with nowhere really to go.
Someone said yesterday that McCain’s playing 3-D chess while Obama-Biden are playing checkers. I’m starting to believe it. Rove had a hand in this, right?
BuckeyeSam on September 1, 2008 at 2:01 PM
So will Barry drop out after he admitted he used drugs as a teen ? For the good of the country ?
William Amos on September 1, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Again, where/when did Sarah Palin say her or her family is above sin? Post a link if you can find it! Hardcore evangelicals are fully aware that humans are flawed and they do sin. They have faith in Jesus to wash away sins. For the millionth time – watch for the family’s behavior when dealing with this situation. You will see a Christian family who has chosen life.
Oink on September 1, 2008 at 1:56 PM
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Family above sin? What the the fu*k are you talking about? How could you possibly deduct something stupid like this from what I wrote?
It’s a fact that Bible thumpers who thump suddenly thump a lot less when they’re actually faced with reality like this. I’m just interested in hearing how they squirm their logic around.
Dave Rywall on September 1, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Do you think all Christians are stuck in the 1950s? Bristol is taking responsibility for her actions, as is the father of the baby. Any Christian would praise these young people for that, and for choosing life.
Please, keep assuming that all Christians are a monolithic, narrow-minded, backwards, insane group of idiots. It will only make them rally around the Palins more. The cognitive dissonance is all on the liberals’ side. How can they reconcile their support for free love and teen sex with their criticism of the Palins’ situation?
aero on September 1, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Is McCain running against someone for President? I’ve not heard anything about an opponent for awhile… it’s just been all about Hurricanes and McCain/Palin.
Huh.
Enoxo on September 1, 2008 at 2:01 PM
We have a laptop in our can. I kid you not.
jmarcure on September 1, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Infidoll on September 1, 2008 at 1:58 PM
I’m just wondering, do you have a teenage child?
tschenkel on September 1, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Cheer up! Maybe Bristol’s bf is a lib.
Connie on September 1, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Michael:
I was born in Oklahoma, raised in the Southern Baptist Church and I never heard anyone say anything negative about Mormons.
I know you want to blame them because your guy Romney did not get the nod, but the truth is there are a lot of people on the left who think that Mormons are a weird fringe group, so maybe we should stop and think about alphie and his gang would have reacted to Mitt. After all, if we have to think about that in regards to Palin, it only follows the same should be true with the other VP contenders.
And, no doubt if Romney were the VP nominee right now, we would be hearing about how many houses he owns, is he really pro-life, does he support embryonic stem cell research. Add to that the inevitable talk about the Davidians and any other Mormon offshot branch you can name. Is that fair? Hell no, but neither is blaming Sarah Palin for the fact that her 17 year old daughter is going to have a baby.
a baby?? The horror!
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Obama had a mama
Who’s husband left them behind.
She raised him well
as we can tell.
But now he’s in a bind.
First came Willy Ayers
A terrorist with a flair
for bombing the Right
and then taking flight
to Obama whom he cares.
As he sat in his church’s pew
He never had a clue
That his pastor hated whites
And thought Jews were ….
But the times it happened were few.
Does anyone think it’s dumb
to partner with “lord slum”?
I guess when land is high
and he gives you a great buy.
Maybe he’s not such a bum.
Joe Biden thinks he’s clean.
So, how could “hair plugs” be mean?
If you’re an Indian man
in this American land,
Joey likes his slushy minty green.
And then you have Keith and Chrissy.
These two sissies are fit to hissy.
About Clinton and “McSame”
as well as Valerie Plame.
MSNBC has now moved to pissy!
CFL on September 1, 2008 at 1:57 PM
CFL on September 1, 2008 at 2:02 PM
I think I’m going to send her a card.
Sir Andrew on September 1, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Dave:
Do you live in a cave? Are you completely backward? Have you ever even met a real live Christian? We are sinners, it happens, only idiots such as yourself don’t seem to realize that.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 2:04 PM
I’m warning you. You are going to get a dressing-down for the ages here. Don’t tread on us!
newton on September 1, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Should Clinton have accepted the nomination in light of his brother?
Should Carter have?
Broken record: Saying that a VP nom should be refused because the candidate’s daughter is pregnant is the silliest, stupidest thing I’ve seen on this site.
… and I still read alphie’s posts.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Although Bastard is a deplorable word I don’t think the definition is “concieved out of wedlock”. I think it is “born out of wed lock”. And having close relationship with adults who were adopted. That term Bastard does have some sting to it even in this age.
I wonder if this child will be able to access the blogging done about it when it was announced! Wow this is the weirdist election. And yeah McCain is a Maverick.
petunia on September 1, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Man this thread is too hot and I can’t keep up. Saddly I must leave for quiter rooms.
jmarcure on September 1, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Barack’s mother? I thought Terry Moran said he was the son of two men?
Jim-Rose on September 1, 2008 at 2:05 PM
petunia:
Romney has baggage of his own. They all do.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Hypocrisy on the part of whom, the left or the right?
Vyce on September 1, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Then don’t SPIN- simply STATE, the counter argument to your statements.
And what purpose does your statements serve when they can be found on any Left-wing blog, OR mainstream report, OR any of AP’s posts?
I can assure you- this will NOT be the last time I address you. If you wish to let my criticisms go uncontested- then let me thank you for that future “freedom” and latitude. Thank you!
FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 2:07 PM
Further proof The Left knows nothing about Evangelicals. I guarantee you the more The Left pushes, the harder the push-back will be.
SouthernGent on September 1, 2008 at 2:07 PM
barry:
You are missing my point. If this child disqualifies her now, it disqualifies her for all time. Needless to say if she were a man it would be different. Right?
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 2:07 PM
This is not hypocrisy. Sarah Palin has no control over daughter.
But the fact that her daughter is trying to do the right thing and provide that baby with a loving home with a mother and father speaks volumes about the trust and honestly between the Palins and their children.
Sir Andrew on September 1, 2008 at 2:08 PM
I feel sorry for you if you think any child is a “mistake”!I am not surprised nor repulsed by the news that her daughter is pregnant. Congratulation to the Palins! Being a Grandma is just awesome!! Alaska? + 22 years younger? + dui= no big surprise. It’s not like he’s Ted Kennedy.
ChrisIansNana on September 1, 2008 at 2:09 PM
aero, don’t you realize that this Dave Rywall is perfect? Damn, that’s it! He’s Perfect!
It must be very lonely living at the top…
That’s it, guys! That should be our line of attack! Let’s go with it! Dave Rywall is Perfect! That’s why he’s scolding us for our “hypocrisy”!
newton on September 1, 2008 at 2:09 PM
For the record Branch Davidians had nothing what so ever to do with Mormons. And to suggest otherwise says much more about you and your socalled unbiasedness than anything about Mormons.
petunia on September 1, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Romney’s baggage is YOUR PROBLEM not his.
petunia on September 1, 2008 at 2:11 PM
What in the world are you talking about? “Take your meds”, “dude.”
Have “you” ever “heard of” “shotgun weddings”? It’s an “old joke.” Which I’d've said was “non-controversial” and “non-partisan.”
misterpeasea on September 1, 2008 at 2:11 PM
CNN radio news is running the Bristol story non-stop, including McCain’s statement he knew about it in advance. That CNN bothered to include McCain’s statement surprises me. I would have bet they’d skip that part, just to take the crap to the next level.
petefrt on September 1, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Who said Branch Davidians had anything to do with Mormons? That’s new – and wrong – to me.
newton on September 1, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Michael:
So Fred was your candidate of choice? I like the guy too, in spite of the fact that his first marriage was supposedly a shotgun wedding, he had a rep with the ladies and was married to a woman years younger than himself. Not to mention the fact that he could not be bothered to work for the job of President.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Be gone from me, a man who mendaciously masturbates.
FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 2:12 PM
I wasn’t born to walk on water
I wasn’t born to sack and slaughter
But on my soul, I wasn’t born
To stoop to scorn and knuckle under
In the darkest hour
I will spring alive
Then with claws of fire, I will devour like a falcon in the dive
BlakeneyP on September 1, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Typical leftist, demonstrating your complete and utter lack of understanding of Christianity. Very few of you share Christian beliefs with conservatives, but that never stops you guys from trying to use it as a weapon when you think you can, does it?
Ugh.
capitalist piglet on September 1, 2008 at 2:12 PM
yes, if only they didn’t teach abstinence only and handed out condoms at palin’s school she would’ve never got pregnant. /lib logic
jp on September 1, 2008 at 2:13 PM
newton:
To sane people Davidians do not have anything to do with Mormons, but to people who do not like Mormons, they are an example of an offshoot cult gone wild.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 2:13 PM
Oh we do not. You evidently don’t know much about Christians other than the basest stereotypes or you wouldn’t say something so supremely stupid.
What an idiot.
(Sorry guys, for feeding the troll…I usually ignore this fool but I just had to say something this time. Sheesh.)
Bob's Kid on September 1, 2008 at 2:13 PM
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