Oy: Palin’s daughter is pregnant; Update: Althouse on Palin vs. Edwards; Update: Obama tells media to lay off Palin’s daughter; Update: Media knew
posted at 12:23 pm on September 1, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Supposedly McCain knew. Did he?
The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.
Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin’s five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain…
Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter’s pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way…
McCain officials said the news of the daughter’s pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called “mud-slinging and lies” circulating on liberal blog sites.
And here’s the statement, via Team McCain, from Palin and her husband:
“We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us. Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We’re proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support.
“Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi’s privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates.”
Gathering my thoughts. Stand by for updates.
Update: It shouldn’t hurt Palin but it will, because like I said in my pessimism post on Friday, any sort of embarrassment that she brings to the campaign will be used by the media to push the Dan Quayle/disastrous gamble meme, whether or not the embarrassment’s her own fault or not. (They’ll spin it as a comment on McCain’s “judgment” in picking her.) The left, normally all for teen sex, will naturally use it as an excuse to call her daughter a whore in the guise of criticizing Palin herself for her position on abstinence-only education, which is why I’m thinking maybe McCain really did know about it: Per KP’s analysis, the nastier and more personal the left gets, the greater the risk of a backlash that benefits Palin.
Belated exit question: Anyone find it amazingly coincidental that Daily Kos went after Palin’s own pregnancy right out of the chute on Friday, with no apparent evidence whatsoever, and now we find out that her daughter’s actually pregnant? I usually scoff at the idea of party researchers planting memes with bloggers, especially since the nutroots is so paranoid about that happening on the right, but that’s a simply remarkable stoke of good luck on their part, no?
Update: A second belated exit question: Did they really release this to quash nutroots rumors, which were already pretty well quashed this morning, or because between Gustav and the convention it’s the perfect time to bury it?
Update: Between CNN wondering why the mother of a special needs baby would head off on the campaign trail and Alan Colmes rolling around in the sewer, the left’s been itching since the announcement on Friday to paint her as an unfit mother. Expect a lot of very solemn tut-tutting about how selfish Palin is to have accepted the nomination knowing it’ll only throw a spotlight on her poor daughter, even as they themselves ratchet that spotlight up to nuclear-flash brightness.
Update: Since the dirty laundry’s all coming out today, sources close to Palin tell David Brody that Palin’s husband was arrested for DUI 22 years ago.
Update: A commenter suggests a title for when they make a movie of this saga: “Juneau.”
Update: KP was ahead of the game:
A McCain campaign official tells ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos that McCain knew of Bristol’s pregnancy and “didn’t believe Governor Palin should be disqualified” from the vice presidency because of it. “If Democrats try to attack, it will backfire spectacularly,” the official said.
Update: The more I think about it, the more I think McCain probably did know. The timing is simply perfect to release the news: You wouldn’t want to do it on Friday, lord knows, when she’s getting her intro to the country, and you wouldn’t want to do it later in the campaign when it’s closer to Election Day or even later this week when it’d distract from her convention speech. Now’s the time to do it, when it’ll be no higher than the third-most important story of the day.
If I’m right, then the nutroots’s smears about Palin’s own pregnancy gave McCain an amazingly fortuitous pretext here. Now he gets to play the victim — “we had to do it to stop those dastardly left-wing bloggers from hurting the family” — instead of just someone making an embarrassing admission.
Update: Jonathan Martin says social cons won’t be happy about the news. True, but they won’t be particularly upset about it either. The left will push this hard thinking that it’s some kind of dealbreaker for the Christian right, but to believe that you’d have to fundamentally misunderstand where the Christian right’s main emphasis lies. Says Goldstein:
Many on the left will believe, quite mistakenly, that such an announcement is likely to weaken Palin’s support among “the hard-right conservative base”. But in fact, it will do no such thing — first, because the “hard-right conservative base” that liberal Democrats consistently invoke is largely a caricature that lives only in their minds and as a convenient trope in their rhetoric, from whence it can be trotted out as a foil and a boogeyman on cue; and second, because those energized over the choice of Palin include many disaffected libertarians and classical liberals who were, until the announcement of the Governor’s candidacy, set to either sit the election out, or else cast a protest vote for Bob Barr.
Update: And as if right on cue to prove my last point, here’s David Brody of CBN explaining why this won’t hurt Palin with the base.
I’m sure lots of people will take their shots at the pro-life Christian woman but hold on a moment. If you think Evangelicals are going to ditch her for this, you’re totally misreading the situation. As a matter of fact, they are ready to fire back at any potential critics…
Look, this development will actually be positive for the most part with Evangelicals. First they hear that Sarah Palin chooses the life option even though she had a Downs Syndrome baby and once again the family (and Bristol) has chosen the life option in this recent case. That’s a double “ca-ching”. Let’s call this the Evangelical daily double. If anything, this whole situation will probably make more people around the country relate to her and her family. It makes them more real. Will there by some turned off by the whole pre-marital sex thing? Of course but this type of story doesn’t sink her at all with Evangelicals.
Update: The boss notes the contrast with Obama’s notorious “punished with a baby” comment, something else that’ll make it hard for him to capitalize on this with Christians.
Update: Every post Althouse has written about Palin is worth reading, but this is especially sharp:
Oh, that looks like a meme. Sarah Palin must stay home with her special needs baby. Sarah Palin must stay home with her about-to-be-married, pregnant daughter. Ladies: Put your career on hold until everything in you’re family stops happening… Would a man forgo his career to be there for a family member who is experiencing an important life transition?
Remember when John Edwards decided to go on with his campaign after his wife got a diagnosis of inoperable cancer? Now, I think Elizabeth Edwards was probably excited about the campaign and wanted to go on with it. In that light, why are you assuming that Bristol Palin isn’t excited about her mother’s campaign? Unlike Elizabeth Edwards, Bristol is not facing her last days. She’s just starting out — all caught up in life. Presumably, she intense and positive about her pro-life beliefs, her love for the baby’s father, her impending wedding, and the new baby on the way.
Update: Needless to say, for a variety of reasons you won’t be hearing anything about this from Team Barry. But in case any more reason was needed, people are e-mailing to remind me that The One’s mother was also a teenager when she gave birth to him and married his father just six months before he was born. That won’t stop the left from attacking, of course — remember, the ostensible sin here is hypocrisy, not teen motherhood, even though the point clearly enough is to try to shame Palin with her daughter’s morals.
Update: And here’s NBC pushing the abstinence-only angle.
Update: For once, Dobson sounds the right note:
“In the 32-year history of Focus on the Family, we have offered prayer, counseling and resource assistance to tens of thousands of parents and children in the same situation the Palins are now facing. We have always encouraged the parents to love and support their children and always advised the girls to see their pregnancies through, even though there will of course be challenges along the way. That is what the Palins are doing, and they should be commended once again for not just talking about their pro-life and pro-family values, but living them out even in the midst of trying circumstances.
“Being a Christian does not mean you’re perfect. Nor does it mean your children are perfect. But it does mean there is forgiveness and restoration when we confess our imperfections to the Lord. I’ve been the beneficiary of that forgiveness and restoration in my own life countless times, as I’m sure the Palins have.
“The media are already trying to spin this as evidence Gov. Palin is a ‘hypocrite,’ but all it really means is that she and her family are human. They are in my prayers and those of millions of Americans.”
Update: Like I’ve been telling you all along, The One may be many things, but he’s no dummy. Consider this the equivalent of McCain’s “congratulations” ad last week: Classy, and also shrewd.
Mr. Obama, campaigning here, also noted that his own mother was 18 when she gave birth to him.
“People’s families are off limits,” he said. “People’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. ”
“I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories,” he added. “That shouldn’t be a topic in our politics.”
He vehemently pushed back against an unnamed McCain aide suggesting his campaign had any ties to the blogs that were spreading rumors before the news broke, saying he was “offended” by that and if any of his staff was involved in spreading the issue, “they’d be fired.”
Update: Your must-read of the day: Time reporter Nathan Thornburgh on how he’d already heard all about the pregnancy from people in Wasilla and how they — and he — agreed that it was nobody’s business but the Palins’.
All weekend they had the decency not to pretend that they didn’t know the governor’s eldest daughter was pregnant. But they also expected decency in return, that I wouldn’t be the kind of person to make sport out of a young girl’s slip…
As for the idea — sure to be floated—that the avowedly anti-abortion Palin may have pressured her poor daughter to ruin her life by carrying an unwanted baby to term, I wouldn’t bet on it. The Palin family seems to share the same pro-life values going back at least as far back as anyone here can remember, and it wouldn’t be at all surprising if Bristol wore those values, however imperfectly, as her own. At least, that’s what the town thinks. And Wasilla, above all, is pretty sensible.
Update: Lee Stranahan does the math for Trig Truthers: “Some people are still holding onto the fake pregnancy rumor. Let’s just do some math. Trig was on April 18, 2008 – about four months and a week ago. Bristol is said to be five months pregnant. Now, if you want to pretend that the five month date is a total lie then you’d also have to believe that the 17 year old had a Down’s Syndrome baby then turned right around and got pregnant again presumably because the first premature birth was so freakin’ awesome!”
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Interesting.
Barry sees children as a punishment.
Sarah sees them as a blessing.
Now which of those two opinions sits better with me. Ahhhhh….a blessing??? Well duh! Of course they are. Good luck to Bristol and her boyfriend. At their ages, they’ll nees it, especially with the media and the lefties (redundancy alert) making a “national disgrace” out of it.
Bill_M on September 1, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Sweet back at the top! Let me offer my congratulations to VP Grandma for her first Grandbaby. I hope that they are all healthy and happy.
ThackerAgency on September 1, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Boy, this makes her speech this week HUGE. Over on some of the PUMA sites, they’re taking about McCain’s brass balls with this pick now that this has come out. What a roller coaster…
changer1701 on September 1, 2008 at 1:27 PM
barry norris on September 1, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Well, I’m voting for this ticket, and I sent a grand in besides because I like Palin and her conservative views and her toughness so your two-faced handwringing means exactly crap to me.
TexasJew on September 1, 2008 at 1:27 PM
I don’t get all the people saying “what’s wrong with this?” I mean, she’s seventeen. Wikipedia says the age of consent is 16 in Alaska but that seems so young. Young enough to be illegal in California for crying out loud. It’s good that she will have a supportive family, but it’s certainly not “good news for the campaign.” Of course, I wish nothing but the best for the family.
McCain really should have gone with Mitt.
e-pirate on September 1, 2008 at 1:27 PM
You are welcome and we have all done it time to time.
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 1:27 PM
nailed it.
alphie: Homelyliberalus Moronis
Not possible. It was vetted, and they went ahead thinking that any pro-choicers attacking this would be putting themselves in a real funny position .. not to mention draw attention to Barry’s born-alive voting record.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Geez, a capella, show a little control.
I know you guys are lusting after Palin, but her underage daughter?
Not sure how things work in Bitter Bumpkin land, though.
I hear y’all got some interesting customs.
alphie on September 1, 2008 at 1:28 PM
If Barry O attack Palin for her child having a baby that shows Barry O cares more about being President that fiting to prevent teen black pregnancies. It shows Barry doesnt care for anything other than winning the office at any expense if he is willing to trash a 17 year old girl just to win the Presidency.
William Amos on September 1, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Yeah, you all realize that Bristol’s baby could be president of the US one day.
ThackerAgency on September 1, 2008 at 1:28 PM
infidoll,
“A pregnant 17 year old means, if absolutely nothing else, an absence of supervision.”
You can’t draw that conclusion, unless you think that everyone who had sex as a teenager was not properly supervised by their parents.
exhelodrvr on September 1, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Attention ManlyRash, there is a pile of alphie in lane six.
Bishop on September 1, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Argh! We’ve been e-raided!
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 1:28 PM
And Obama’s alcoholic bigamist father killed himself by driving drunk. Does the left really want to go there?
Jim M. on September 1, 2008 at 1:28 PM
I absolutely agree. Hence the Prilosec with a scotch chaser.
ManlyRash on September 1, 2008 at 1:28 PM
I totally stand by my statement because it’s the truth.
barry norris on September 1, 2008 at 1:29 PM
McCain says he was informed prior to asking her to run. What facts do you have to support your position that he did not? None. And, of course, Gov. Palin accepted the VP nomination aware of her daughter’s pregnancy.
If you want to question people’s judgment look no farther than your own.
Blake on September 1, 2008 at 1:29 PM
The Dems elites are perplexed: Why didn’t Sarah get her a secret abortion? Perhaps she really is serious about this life thing? And she is marrying the father–how retro?
Seventeen year olds get pregnant. Often without being married first. It was common in the 18th century, 19th century and the 20th Century in America. The only difference is in the last few decades, it became fashionable to either 1) get an abortion and pretend it never happened, or 2) just leave the mother alone with WIC supplements and food stamps.
At least Bristol did the right thing, now move along, really no story here. Andrew Sullivan fixed that with his hyper-attacks on Palin yesterday.
Mr. Joe on September 1, 2008 at 1:29 PM
I think you need change your bong water.
Old Hippie Vet on September 1, 2008 at 1:29 PM
I rest my case.
Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 1:29 PM
I would almost like to see the Palins in the White House for the entertainment value at this point( ala Teddy Roosevelts family).
Seriously, it’s a private matter but it would be interesting (in a bad way) if Palin neglected to inform McCain.
jjshaka on September 1, 2008 at 1:29 PM
Briar patch. Third time but bears repeating, “punished with a baby”…
Vizzini on September 1, 2008 at 1:29 PM
Keep driving that wedge between arrogant, elitist leftists and rest of real America.
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 1:29 PM
I have it on good authority that this time, it is actually Sarah who is pregnant and her daughter is just covering for her, not wanting to ruin the VP nomination for her mother.
Brad on September 1, 2008 at 1:29 PM
I think the widespread middle class phenomenon, at least in the secular community, is to have had an abortion.
I think the stigma these days, at least from the perspective of the left and media, is actually having a baby out-of-wedlock, not getting pregnant.
From the left’s perspective, I would think this paints Palin and her family as far right religious nutjobs who would “sacrifice” their daughter’s future as a Harvard-educated ACLU lawyer.
JiangxiDad on September 1, 2008 at 1:29 PM
I certainly hope and pray “kids won’t be kids” in your home because obviously you couldn’t take it. You sound quite holier than thou and that usually backfires in ones face.
Oink on September 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM
I respect McCain for understanding Bristol’s situation, especially for a guy his age.
It’s not like we’re going to have a serial sex offender in the White House or anything.
Blacksheep on September 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM
This is disappointing news in that the left is constantly looking to pounce on self-professed Christians as hypocrites to prove them as somehow unfit for office (or anything else for that matter). In their eyes, no Christian is allowed to be other than squeaky clean perfect. It is the occupational hazard of having standards that you live by. The loose to non-existent moral standards on the left free them from that responsibility and immunize them from these type of attacks. Catching a Christian making a mistake allows them to continue reassuring themselves that having no standards actually makes them superior and that there is no reason to take any Christian or Christianity seriously.
So, unfortunately, the Palins have placed themselves directly in the MSM’s fave “failed, hypocritical Christian” narrative fire. We all understand that, as parents, you do everything that you can to guide your children but your children are independent beings and will follow their own paths, including making life-lesson type mistakes. However, to the lefty MSM, Christians are outside normal humanity. The fact that the Palins are celebrating the addition of new life to their family will hopefully minimize the damage.
inmypajamas on September 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Who doesn’t have a similar situation close to if not actually in their own family? It seems people don’t marry much without there being issue. My own daughter included. Such is the world today.
I will play well in Peoria, but what won’t play well is any attempt to attack a young pregnant teen, or Palin’s parenting.
Queen0fCups on September 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Seems like the campaign looked at this as a free Absolute Moral Authority Card.
I’m not sure that’s much better.
e-pirate on September 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM
The drive-by media sure as hell will – except to the exclusion of any dirt on Obama or Biden. Of all the freaking days Rush had to take a vacation he picked today. Oy.
ManlyRash on September 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Let’s understand this…this taking responsibility thing.
On the Left, taking responsibility means an injection of methotrexate.
On the Right, taking responsibility means unconditional love, taking care of the mom-to-be, letting go and letting God.
Now, for the joker or two who have stated that Palin should be keeping a closer watch on their 17-year-old, instead of runing for office. It is obvious that you’ve never raised a teenage girl or boy to adulthood.
coldwarrior on September 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM
The sad thing is that there is more than one idiot here who didn’t understand Sulla’s comment.
Infidoll on September 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM
What do you get when you engage in unprotected anal intercourse?
Answer: Alphie
FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM
This is monstrous intolerable. Allahpundit Olbermann and his cohort in evil MB is just MB.
Daam!
Knock in the doors, lock up the city
Track them both down through this town
And be quick about it…now!
Sing, swing
Savour the sting
We shall give them them both the vengeance of God!
BlakeneyP on September 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM
For months I have been listening to conservatives demand that McCain make Palin the VP. The fact that she had a teenage daughter and was still capable of having children herself did not mean a thing to them.
Now, when we find out that her daughter is pregnant, we are supposed to do what? Be angry that McCain did exactly what people wanted him to do and name her as VP? Was he supposed to say, No can do, her kid is knocked up….
If Palin were Bristol’s dad instead of her mother, would this be such a big deal? Even in Christian homes these sorts of things happen. People are only human, they make mistakes. The important thing is how you deal with those mistakes.
Is this good or bad? I don’t know. I really don’t. I do know that just about every family has to deal with something like this.
The Democrats might try to make a big deal out of it, but then again, it is only sex right? Isn’t that what they said when Bill Clinton got caught getting a BJ in the Oval Office?
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 1:31 PM
This post seems to be growing exponentially.
Buckle Up.
(I got to use the word “exponentially” in a sentence!)
mad saint jack on September 1, 2008 at 1:31 PM
It will play well in Peoria. I rarely play well in Peoria.
Queen0fCups on September 1, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Because of your lack of both good judgment and critical thinking skills — of course you would …totally!
Blake on September 1, 2008 at 1:31 PM
But it has nothing to with Obama NOW! We’re talking about Palin’s judgment RIGHT NOW!!! (yes it’s her unwed daughter who’s pregnant but Palin accepted the VP nomination knowing her family’s situation.)
barry norris on September 1, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Yep, that will be another attack from the media and the Left. I know people here don’t like alphie, but his/her comments represent some of the mentality of the left/mass media. So the campaign better be ready for this line of attack as well. Especially since the talk over at DKos was that Sarah Palin was anti-abortion and anti-birth control. They are spreading that around (not sure if it is true or not?) to paint her as an anti-abortion extremist to scare “pro-choicers” who were thinking of voting for a woman.
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Sorry Mr. Joe. Didn’t see you had already posted my thoughts.
JiangxiDad on September 1, 2008 at 1:31 PM
A pregnant 17 year old means, if absolutely nothing else, an absence of supervision
Yeah, teenagers love it when their parents accompany them to a party or a date at the movies.
I know that I will drag my seventeen year old everywhere I go just on the off chance that she might have her boyfriend over while I’m gone. Nothing like showing a complete lack of trust in your children to teach them responsibility and how to live in the world.
Bishop on September 1, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Hope you don’t mind if I mix it up a bit:
REV. STRIKES AGAIN
WRIGHT’S CRUDE MICHELLE OBAMA CRACK
TOLEDO, Ohio – The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama’s fiery ex-pastor, re-emerged yesterday with a crude reference about race and sex in the White House.
“This ordinary boy [Obama] just might be the first president in the history of the United States to have a black woman sleeping at 1600 Pennsylvania legally,” Wright said, referring to Michelle Obama, in a sermon at the Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church in Houston.
It was unclear whether Wright was making a reference to prostitution, to old miscegenation laws, or to the history of illicit interracial sex under slavery.”
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09012008/news/nationalnews/rev__strikes_again_126984.htm
He’s back, kids! apparently he’s been writing a book/undergoing political rehab or something in Ghana.
OK, we have are issues, but so does BO!
Cody1991 on September 1, 2008 at 1:31 PM
alphie:
Moron.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Still not seeing the big deal.
Enoxo on September 1, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Some of the reactions here, like those in the MSM, simply disgust me.
Were none of you ever 17? I sure as heck was. And, if not then, certainly within a fairly short time I could have become a father had contraception methods failed.
You make a choice according to your own beliefs, and my take is that an early marriage is preferable to abortion.
Who are you to judge someone this way, particularly when she is not running for office?
And those sanctimonious folks who say Palin should give up her political career, that she didn’t “exercise enough supervision” over her children are, in my view, sanctimonious fools. Should she have locked her daughter in an empty room until she’s 21?
Get over it, people. The operative words in the story are “family,” “love,” and “support.” that’s responsibility, a quality sadly lacking among too many politicians and members of the general public.
MrScribbler on September 1, 2008 at 1:32 PM
You are a diseased bag of pus. You give trolls a bad name.
ManlyRash on September 1, 2008 at 1:32 PM
I’m an atheist, oink…can’t be holier-than-thou.
This just reinforces my opinion that “Christians” fake their belief to get “forgiven” for all the sinnin’ they do.
I think y’all are phonies…but y’all knew that already,. didn’t you.
alphie on September 1, 2008 at 1:32 PM
That Obama, now the Messiah is also a prophet, didn’t he say at one point that:
” if one of my daughters made a mistake I wouldn’t want them to be PUNISHED with a child”
Perhaps this is not the mountain the Dims should chose to attack or it may be the one they die upon.
My step son fathered a child out of wed lock and I was furious until I realized all things that happen in life are not all about me in fact damn few of them are and I have been much happier having had the opportunity to grow up a little bit.
Palin for President!
Congrats on the new family member may God Bless and keep them.
dhunter on September 1, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Like I said before, does anyone really think this is going to keep Christian Conservatives away from the polls?
Not a chance.
nickj116 on September 1, 2008 at 1:32 PM
I have to ask how is this any different than Cheney’s Daughter being Gay ? The right didnt say Cheney was unfit to be VP because his daughter was gay.
Things happen in people’s lives that the cant always control. The left slammed cheney for having a gay daughter but you know what Cheney never disowned her.
This is a non issue for anyone not of the left nut sphere.
William Amos on September 1, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Heh. It’s a pregnant woman. My eyes!! It burns, it burns!
Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 1:33 PM
This line of attack will go over as well as the incest meme at the Daily Kos….
we have America’s Sister/Mom/Sweetheart developing…
“Camelot 2″ at the Naval Observatory.
The only hypocrisy to we Christians would be if Bristol snuck into an abortion clinic without telling her mom and fiancee.
Screw the left’s hypocrisy.
sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 1:33 PM
e-argggggggg
e-pirate on September 1, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Obama’s entire career has been about his political ambition and expedience. Obama sat mute in a racist church for at least 15 years while Wright fed lies to, spewed hate to, and bred seething resentment among his congregants–and Obama never confronted that foul-mouthed loser ALL because he needed Wright’s congregant’s as constituents.
In the meantime, who knows how many of Wright’s congregants aare running around with his poison running around in their hheads and hearts?
Who’s irresponsible? Obama, if he had any character, would have confronted Wright to correct him or left that church. He remained SOLELY out of political ambition and expedience.
BuckeyeSam on September 1, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Contrary to what Barack Obama thinks, having a baby is not in any way punishment.
myamphibian on September 1, 2008 at 1:34 PM
God Forbid we criticize the “critics”.
The charges are clear: We have corrupted the minds of young Athenians!
I shall drink my cup of hemlock……
FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Allahpundit,
Can we have a thread on Biden’s kids, just for some balance?
cool breeze on September 1, 2008 at 1:34 PM
After thinking a bit more on this and reading people’s comments, I really think this is a non-starter for the democrats.
It would have beyond the pale for McCain to disqualify Palin for VP nomination based on the personal sexual activities (thank you, Monica and Bill) and pregnancy decision (remember, it’s a “choice” to liberals) of her daughter. For once, let’s use the “anything goes, lifestyle choice” rhetoric against the democrats. It’s their mantra – let’s use it.
I am reassured by the comments of some of our evangelical posters. I am not well-versed in evangelical beliefs so I wasn’t sure how they’d react. For my part, I’m Catholic – we’re about as “uptight” about premarital sex as you can get – and Bristol’s pregnancy does not matter to me in the least.
Personally, I never saw Palin as primarily a social conservative choice. Yes, she’s pro-life, but she seems to be flexible on gay issues (even if personally she is opposed to gay marriage, she is ok with benefits for partners) and her life story is clearly not one of “traditional roles.” To me, Palin remains the best choice because of her strong voice on domestic oil production (tempered with her experience dealing with environmental impacts) and because of her “outsider” and “reformer” status.
IMHO, the democrats could easily overplay this card and experience a backlash. Similarly, it would be a mistake for us/the pro-Palin folks to overstate our admiration for the Palin family’s handling of this issue. I am eager to see more of Palin talking about ANWR and government reform. I do not want to see her having to spend 99% of her time fielding questions about teen pregnancy, abortion, etc. It’s a personal matter. The family, not the tax-payer, is supporting their daughter. End of story.
Again, I’m 100% pro-life, but this is not the issue we want Palin riding. McCain already has that covered in his legislative record (the relevant thing, not his or her personal life). Keep her on drilling.
It is a shame that they didn’t get in front on this issue… not sure how they envisioned handling Bristol’s growing tummy… but I honestly cannot say what would have been an appropriate way for Palin or McCain to broach the subject.
Y-not on September 1, 2008 at 1:34 PM
My mother was 17 when she married my father. That was not the middle ages either, it was 1948. They were together until my father’s death left my mother a widow. So 17 is not a child.
Terrye on September 1, 2008 at 1:34 PM
will it make moderates turn away? Possibly.
Palin made everyone take a second look at McCain, this is a system shock. Don’t doubt that.
lorien1973 on September 1, 2008 at 1:34 PM
It isn’t working, barry. You shouldn’t let us see you sweat like this. Let’s see what the average voter really cares about in November. Game on!
a capella on September 1, 2008 at 1:35 PM
FightThePalinSmears.com has the latest updates.
faraway on September 1, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Re: Stigma. I am certain it won’t hurt with the base. How about the rest of the vote?
Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Amazing. We now have a candidate who faces the reality that thousands — if not millions — of American families have and will face!
How refreshing that Sarah and Todd approach this reality responsibly — without attempting to hide, “remove” or deny it! Kudos to them!
errrr …. on a political note — for those who want to “go there” — Too bad Barry Soetoro (aka Barack Obama) didn’t have parents as supportive as Bristol’s — his life might not have included such questionable characters as …. nevermind — and I’m not so sure that Biden wants his “other” son’s legal probs made a political issue, either ….
Wanna throw stones at children? Heave on!
Gull on September 1, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Too bad I’m not Christian, nor Catholic, and I still can’t care less.
Enoxo on September 1, 2008 at 1:35 PM
You and me both. A 22 year old DUI. Man that’s like yesterday and I’m betting he isn’t even repentant about it. A boy friend with a DUI is just unbelievable. The next think you know we will hear that he did coke has racist friends and quite possibly knows others that drink. The horrors never cease? Oh poop, my wife just said that it’s McCain running for president not Mr. Palin. Gosh darn it now I have go curl up in the corner in a fetal position and clink to my bible. Wait that’s a stupid idea a liberal might try to abort me. Boy o boy I wish I was on of them smart liberals. Then I would know how to vote cause other liberals would tell me how and I would have know how to use proper gramar, spelling and punceation.
jmarcure on September 1, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Bill Clinton’s family was “protected” during impeachment there Barry….
how the Palin’s cope with this is their business not mine.
GO SARAH!
sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 1:35 PM
lame.
4shoes on September 1, 2008 at 1:36 PM
Why would it make moderates turn away??
nickj116 on September 1, 2008 at 1:36 PM
heh, that would be something if that is the case but Rove is only an advisor now, who knows.. That has some serious spin on it though :)
To whomever mentioned above something about broken telephone on leaked local Alaska stuff, that seems to have nailed the lefty blog phenomenon seen this past few days nicely on what probably happened imho.
saus on September 1, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Do me a favor Michael- give me the POSITIVE spin that the Right SHOULD make from this. Spell it all out.
FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 1:37 PM
why moderates cope with this everyday…if anything some will see it as refreshing a person in power copes with “real life”….
sven10077 on September 1, 2008 at 1:37 PM
It’s not the base that worries everyone. It’s the 15% to 20% percent of American-Idol-watching, FM-radio-listening, get-my-news-from-network TV idjit voter base (AKA the “undecideds”)that worries me. This is typically the narrow band of morons who will determine the future of this republic.
ManlyRash on September 1, 2008 at 1:37 PM
inmypajamas on September 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM
I must address this before I dry my hair.
Bill Clinton is a professing Christian and he doesn’t seem to have any problem with extra marital affairs. Thats hypocracy.
I understand for Republicans, its a double standard. My mother was pro-choice and had 2 kids with a married man. I thank God she chose NOT to have abortions. But even with that upbringing, I have never been preg. nor had any abortions. Thats the choice I made.
Palins daughter is a normal teenager. Just like most American kids.
Mercy4Me on September 1, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Definitely lets start bellying up to the bar on substance usage. Palin’s husband a few too many 22 yeara ago and Barry indulged in cocaine and pot smoking some 15 – 20 years ago. But again, Obama is running for the office of President of the United States. Palin’s husband is trying to be a dad. Keep it coming Democrats, you’ve made it easy for us.
EyesOpen on September 1, 2008 at 1:37 PM
: P You are a good sport.
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Being Christian does NOT mean that one lives without sin. No human is capable of living without sin!
Watch Sarah Palin and her family deal with this situation in a Christian-like manner. THAT’S what it’s all about.
How dare those DIM-WIT-O-CRATS cast stones against a young person for having sex when all they do is protect a person’s right to abort a child. Not to mention their defense of Bill Clinton and John Edwards. PEOPLE! Bill Clinton had sex in the Oval Office with a girl barely older than his daughter. John Edwards had an affair with a woman on his political payroll while his wife had cancer.
Oink on September 1, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Are you suggesting that hard-working women, having built a career for themselves, should hit the self-destruct button upon learning that they’re going to become a grandmother?
Good luck selling that shit sandwich.
LimeyGeek on September 1, 2008 at 1:38 PM
I see allahpundit is acting just like the liberals using anything to justify his views.
TexasDude on September 1, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Shorter right:
“Palin’s knocked-up teenage daughter is bad news for Obama!”
Too funny.
alphie on September 1, 2008 at 1:39 PM
I don’t argue your point, save to say that McCain needed the base and the Palin pick made the base explode. McCain will need the GOTV efforts of the Christian right. Notwithstanding the 15-20% you mention.
Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 1:39 PM
To recapitulate the latest news:
a) McCain spokesman confirms McCain knew about the pregnancy prior to the announcement
b) The girl was wearing an engagement ring at the announcement – hard for political pros to miss
c) Five will get you ten that Bristol was consulted before the announcement was made
d) Having been raised in a family and environment where personal responsibility and integrity are paramount, she sucked it up and went along with it
MP4s story about the moose: I can’t tell if he is a troll or not – I don’t read enough of his comments to have formed an opinion. But, think about it in a more relaxed moment – it’s precisely that image (think of Palin firing the AR-15) that makes her so attractive to many. Can’t face down Putin? “Vladimir, see that moose three hundred yards away?…”
The DUI from 22 years ago, in a perverse way, also adds to the persona. Palin, and her entire family, appeal to the yearning in many Americans for the [perhaps fictional] good old days of the rugged frontiersman, the pre-Big-Government individualist so beloved by the Libertarian. Crocodile Dundee, anyone?
great unknown on September 1, 2008 at 1:39 PM
You’re probably not privy to this, but sex is really fun.
Kids tend to figure that out.
To suggest that a teenage pregnancy can be avoided by “supervision” is dizzyingly naive and stupid.
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Egad, a parent (here, the daughter) taking responsibility? Alert the press!
The left would rather her have an abortion or be a welfare mother, of course, but alas, she is simply going to do the right thing. WHY would that hurt Palin with the base? I am the base, and I am darn proud of all of them for doing the honorable thing.
Sure, she could have used abortion as after-the-fact birth control and you probably never would have known a thing about it … but instead, she is choosing life. Sounds like good, upright, moral parenting to me. Compare Palin’s point of view to Obabma’s, who doesn’t want his daughters “punished” with a baby. Huh, wonder what he would have advised his daughter to do???
eucher on September 1, 2008 at 1:40 PM
The thrill is gone. Go back under the bridge, troll.
ManlyRash on September 1, 2008 at 1:40 PM
I don’t know. I lost a lot of respect for so-called “evangelicals” when polls showed they were not going to vote for Mitt Romney simply because he was a Mormon. Doesn’t show much tolerance and open-mindedness there.
Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Here’s how I look at it.
McCain knew about this pregnancy and the consequences that it would surely cause the campaign and yet, he still chose Palin. This proves that Palin’s assets are more than enough to warrant her as a VP pick
carbon_footprint on September 1, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Those are the people I have lived among my whole life. I suspect they will only see what they will define as hypocrisy.
JiangxiDad on September 1, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Do me a favor Michael- give me the POSITIVE spin that the Right SHOULD make from this. Spell it all out.
FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 1:42 PM
I wouldn’t wanna be you before Capt’n Ed. He will make sure that you eat – no, ram – your words this very second!
newton on September 1, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Makes me admire her & her daughter even more. Been there, done that, ate the sandwich. The result of my hidden teen pregnancy is now 19 himself; he has Asperger’s so he’s a bit of a challenge, but he is in a special job training school and is doing quite well.
May God bless the new parents and hope they have joy of their new baby.
Slightly OT: tee hee. On dogpile.com searching for “barack obama”, here are the top three sites..
obama official website
Free Obama/Biden stickers !! (Even shipping is free!! snort, can’t they even GIVE them away?? HAH!!)
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grasshopper68 on September 1, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Congratulations Bristol!
I hope you have a healthy, happy baby~
:)
bridgetown on September 1, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Thanks. So is the news a net loss or net gain?
Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 1:43 PM
This just reinforces my opinion that “Christians” fake their belief to get “forgiven” for all the sinnin’ they do.
Actually, Alphie, Christians recognize we are all sinners; in fact, we were born that way and can never be fully free of it.
God knows this, but still loves us so much that he sent his only Son to die for our sins. So, we do our best — knowing full well that we will fail from time to time — and pray that, in the end, God will consider not only our sins but our faith.
Not only are we not faking anything, we embrace our existence (which goes right to the heart of why we are pro-life generally) and are lifted up in ways you apparently just don’t understand by the reconciliation of our sins.
Blacksheep on September 1, 2008 at 1:44 PM
+1
cgoode777 on September 1, 2008 at 1:44 PM
You got it right!
newton on September 1, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Do me a favor Michael- give me the POSITIVE spin that the Right SHOULD make from this. Spell it all out.
FiveWays on September 1, 2008 at 1:44 PM
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