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Are you ready for Fred 2012? Update: I probably won’t run again, says Mitt

posted at 4:49 pm on September 1, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Not that he thinks Maverick’s going down in November, but … it never hurts to be prepared.

I’m faint with anticipation at the thought of a grassroots death match between Fred, Jindal, and Palin, with the four-year running knife fight between Mitt and Huck serving as subplot.

In an interview Thursday, Thompson acknowledged the mistakes of his campaign and conceded that his refusal to play the game the way it’s been played for years cost him. “I’ve gone my own way–sometimes to my own detriment,” Thompson says. “I discounted and underestimated the rulebook–Mitt and the Huck were raising money, forming PACs…” he says, his voice trailing off…

Now, in conjunction with the Republican National Convention next week in Minnesota, he is launching FredPac, a political action committee devoted to electing conservatives committed to “first principles.” And he is working on a book that sounds a lot like the kind of book a would-be presidential candidate might write. “I’m going to be talking about my views,” he said in an interview Thursday. “And it is going to be partly autobiographical–kind of an only-in-America story.”

So what’s the bottom line? “Where does all of that lead me–in terms of my country, my family, where we need to go?” he asks. Then he answers his own question. “Some of it will depend, of course, on who wins the election.”

Steve Hayes’s back-up plan if McCain, against all odds, somehow pulls it out: Director of National Intelligence. Exit question: Admit it. As much as you love the Barracuda and want to see her succeed, you’re nervous about the next two months and would swap in ol’ Fred if you could, right? Seasoned, vetted, steady hand, capable of making Biden’s knees buckle at the debate with only the choicest cracker-barrel proverbs. Why, we’d be guaranteed to lose the election by no more than four points! With Palin, we could lose by ten. Or, of course, win narrowly.

Update: Sounds like he did a dynamite job at his presser today in Minneapolis. I’ve been wondering why the GOP hasn’t mentioned Harry Truman more often as an analog to Palin’s own lack of national experience; Fred’s all over it now. Plus this:

Pushed by NEWSWEEK’s reporters and editors to say whether having a pregnant teenage daughter and five-month-old baby with Down syndrome at home will raise questions about Palin’s “priorities,” Thompson responded by questioning the questioners. “Would you be saying that about man running for office in her shoes?” he asked. “I really think you’re going to be surprised at how average people and women who are not necessarily political one way or another identify with her. I see nothing in this that will hurt Sarah Palin politically. I mean, I get that it’s a necessary part of the process to ask those questions. But we have to keep it fair. If we don’t keep it fair, it will redound to her benefit.” Judging by the reaction in the room–”I look around this table all these angry men, and I can’t believe they’re even asking this question,” quipped one female NEWSWEEKer–I have a feeling he’s right.

Update: Oh my. No knife-fight subplot?

Romney told reporters this morning that he does not want a cabinet position in a John McCain administration, saying that he would not relish being “soldiered by 27-year-olds in the White House,” as his father did during his days as HUD secretary.

“That is not an attractive position in my view,” Romney said, citing the experience of his dad, George Romney, who served as the head of the Department of Housing and Urban Development under President Richard Nixon after his defeat in the 1968 presidential race. “I’ve seen it too close-hand to think that’s something for me.”

In a press conference after remarks to the Utah delegation, Romney said that he expects to remain in the public sector after the November election and will not return to the business world, as many have speculated. But he demurred when asked about a second try at the Oval Office.

“I do not anticipate doing it again,” he chuckled. “It’s hard to imagine doing that.”


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What a load of tiresome dung you are.

ManlyRash on September 1, 2008 at 5:14 PM

And what a load of tiresome early grade school poop-poo you are.

MB4 on September 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM

I think (and strongly hope) McCain and Palin will pull it off this year, but if they can’t, I’m definitely pulling for Mitt in 2012. The honeymoon with Palin will be over if the gamble doesn’t pay off and Obama wins this election. Besides, should the unthinkable happen, Obama will be easy pickin’s in 2012 after his pie in the sky promises crash into reality.

thecountofincognito on September 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Allah,
you remind me of a sea gull pecking away on the top of a pelican’s head, after the pelican has worked very hard at finding some food underwater.

The sea gull relentlessly pecks away at the pelican’s head, hoping to knock the food out of it’s mouth.

Moral of the story is…
….we hunt long and hard for an authentic conservative candidate, then, when we have found it, you peck away on our heads, hoping to knock our grip on this jewel, so we lose control and dump it.

… but you… Mr. King of Pessimism, go one step further than the sea gulls. After being unable to knock the jewel out of our grip, you turn around and offer the dead fish from last year!!!!

Mcguyver on September 1, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Fred was still the best of the miserable field. Republicans would have voted for him even with reservations. A particularly pessimistic blogger said if a gun were held to his head and he had to choose, his choice would be Fred.

Fred will not get an energy transplant for 2012 and is destined to fizzle for the same reason. His timing was not the problem.

Valiant on September 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM

You guys are unbelievable. Do you know how much crap I ate for daring to breathe a critical word about Fred during the primaries? And now you’re totally deriding him because you’re in love with Palin. Good lord.

Allahpundit on September 1, 2008 at 4:56 PM

If you were a cynic, instead of a pessimist, this would NOT have surprised you at all. People that hang out at blog sites are flakes — by definition. You’d have to be incredibly naive NOT to know that. You need to get out in the real world a bit more. Leave Manhattan. Go to Alaska, or somethin’ — for like six months, or so.

My collie says:

Fer’ cryin’ out loud, AP, some of your participants even have talking dogs. Get a clue, will ya’?

CyberCipher on September 1, 2008 at 5:25 PM

You do realize Republicans have lost just two elections in the past twenty plus years? What are the chances if winning 4 in a row?

terryannonline on September 1, 2008 at 5:12 PM

Dems were given control of Congress for 40 years, lost control for 12, then got it back.

amerpundit on September 1, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Doom and Gloom for 2008! Doom and gloom for 2012! Doom and gloom forever!
How the hell do you get out of bed in the morning? Well, I guess I can understand if you are an Obama supporter.

funky chicken on September 1, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Yeah, it’s getting a little old. Excitement wins elections.

Connie on September 1, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Isn’t it time we stopped going off on ALL our like minded republican friends?

Fred, Sarah, Mitt, Huck, Rudy, etc…

They will all help get John/Sarah in office.. Time to gather round the fire and stoke it up a bit…

Power to teh people!!!!!!! (Laura Ingraham style)

I call a truce.. Time to use this energy on the one, and the farce…

stlpatriot on September 1, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Mcguyver on September 1, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Wow, you write very vivid analogies.

terryannonline on September 1, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Heheh, my how long it’s been. Back during the primaries, I used to skip right on by your comments due to your constant ridiculing of the Fredheads and the criticism of Fred.

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 5:17 PM

My critique of The Fred was only early on. I shortly had an epiphany and came to have a greater appreciation of him.

MB4 on September 1, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Yeah, it’s getting a little old. Excitement wins elections.

Connie on September 1, 2008 at 5:26 PM

If that were the case, Obama would win easily. Hard work and a good message wins elections, not excitement. President Bush won in 2004, because the grassroots worked their collective arses off for months… and barely sqeaked out a victory in the face of a very excited ABB campaign on the Democrat side.

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 5:28 PM

I kinda like McCainiacs and Palinstineans. Only there is no such thing as a McCainiac.

Immolate on September 1, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Dems were given control of Congress for 40 years, lost control for 12, then got it back.

amerpundit on September 1, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Yes, but does that happen with the presidency? The only exception I know of is during WWII. That was a extremely unique time.

terryannonline on September 1, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Bill C on September 1, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Missed that. Sorry.

Slublog on September 1, 2008 at 5:29 PM

My critique of The Fred was only early on. I shortly had an epiphany and came to have a greater appreciation of him.

MB4 on September 1, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Interesting. Kindof like my evolution on my opinions of you and AllahPundit. My how things change. Though it’s pretty humorous reading the comments of the newbies who don’t know the whole history around here of people’s opinions and the evolution of some of those opinions.

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 5:31 PM

MinMI, I think this point has been made to that same objection before. Hard work and a good message alone won’t do it. Part of the hard work and a large part of the equation is an excellent ground game, which can’t be done without enthusiasm. Volunteers aren’t compelled to show up every two years.

Immolate on September 1, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Interesting. Kindof like my evolution on my opinions of you and AllahPundit. My how things change. Though it’s pretty humorous reading the comments of the newbies who don’t know the whole history around here of people’s opinions and the evolution of some of those opinions.

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 5:31 PM

Oh good Lord, a forum elitist.

Montana on September 1, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 5:28 PM

You can work as hard as you want, but if it’s not accompanied by excitement, you won’t win. Romney, for instance, worked very hard, but wasn’t able to generate enough excitement.

Connie on September 1, 2008 at 5:34 PM

Hard work and a good message wins elections, not excitement.

Excitement causes hard work. It’s called morale. As any officer if they think it’s important.

Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 5:34 PM

Isn’t it time we stopped going off on ALL our like minded republican friends?

Fred, Sarah, Mitt, Huck, Rudy, etc…

They will all help get John/Sarah in office.. Time to gather round the fire and stoke it up a bit…

stlpatriot on September 1, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Indeed.

JudetheFossil on September 1, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Kindof a sidetrack OT… just thinking out loud…

What is interesting is that the Obama nomination was the only way that McCain could have probably gotten away with choosing Palin as his running mate. And even then, he could only have done it with Obama skipping over Hillary as his own running mate. Imagine the cries of playing identity politics if McCain chose Palin in response to Obama choosing Hillary. Or McCain choosing Palin to run against a Hillary-Whomever Democrat ticket.

It seems to me that we lucked out getting Palin based on the Democrats self-destructing by first choosing Obama and then Obama passing over Hillary for VP. Without those two things happening, we don’t get Palin as VP.

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 5:35 PM

You are welcome terryann.

Mcguyver on September 1, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Sheesh. All these postings remind me of why, at the end of the day, my interest in all this was reawakened partly by fear that an inexperienced, untested, less-than-moral candidate whose views are 180-degrees from my own would be elected, and not by any love for politics.

It’s difficult not to project attributes on candidates who don’t really have them. That explains Obama and also Thompson, I think. The latter’s a good man, but I never felt he was willing to go in the trenches to fight for what he believes.

I tire quickly of “traditional” politicians — I’m listening to Hannity right now, and throwing up in my mouth a little — and was willing to support McCain because he struck me as the lesser of all “evils” (and genuine evils) this year. I have respect for him, if not for all his policies. I believe he is as interested in putting our country first as he claims.

I like Palin for many of the same reasons. She seems a true citizen-politician, not a sleazy bottom-feeder as so many Dems (and Republicans) are.

If all y’all want to swoon over these people, want to invest them with virtues that aren’t apparent to those who don’t make politics a livelihood, you are tending toward something dangerously close to Obama-worship, and I think that’s bad for the country.

McCain-Palin will first do no harm. Those of their common-sense ideas that they can put into action may even help.

Projecting into 2012 or ‘16 is a waste of time. No one knows where we as a nation will be then.

Forget the cosmetics and stage-managed hype. McCain and Palin are the only honest people in this race.

That’s all I really care about. Can’t work up much enthusiasm for Fred-doration or Mitt, or any of the rest. Even Jindal, who seems to have possibilities, is still an unknown quantity, initially loved by the political junkies for his looks and pedigree, not his accomplishments. He’ll have to wait his turn.

We need to focus on — and win — in 2008, or the rest may well be ashes.

MrScribbler on September 1, 2008 at 5:37 PM

I don’t like the tone of this thread, I’m staying.

TheSitRep on September 1, 2008 at 5:39 PM

I was and am FRED! supporter. Not for VP though. If He would have been the choice for Prez, I would be all for it. But once you make a choice like this, switching would really seem like a desperation move. I think it more likely that Obama will drop what’s his name for Hillary. If Mrs. Palin holds up strong(and I think she will), Fred!’s chances of running against her in 2012 are minimal.
FRED! for supreme court!

Corsair on September 1, 2008 at 5:40 PM

Justice Fred Thompson.

Maybe after a AG stint.

TheSitRep on September 1, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Maybe after a AG stint.

TheSitRep on September 1, 2008 at 5:41 PM

I’m still hoping for Andy McCarthy (of NRO) for Attorney General.

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 5:42 PM

If all y’all want to swoon over these people, want to invest them with virtues that aren’t apparent to those who don’t make politics a livelihood, you are tending toward something dangerously close to Obama-worship, and I think that’s bad for the country.

MrScribbler on September 1, 2008 at 5:37 PM

yep.

JiangxiDad on September 1, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Oh good Lord, a forum elitist.

Montana on September 1, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Yep.

a capella on September 1, 2008 at 5:45 PM

If all y’all want to swoon over these people, want to invest them with virtues that aren’t apparent to those who don’t make politics a livelihood, you are tending toward something dangerously close to Obama-worship, and I think that’s bad for the country.

MrScribbler on September 1, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Bingo. Of course, *I* say that and I am deemed a spoil-sport and ostracized from the conservative movement and questioned as a possible Obama operative. I’m glad someone else sees this though.

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 5:46 PM

It seems to me that we lucked out getting Palin based on the Democrats self-destructing by first choosing Obama and then Obama passing over Hillary for VP. Without those two things happening, we don’t get Palin as VP.

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 5:35PM

Thanks to Operation Chaos….

Sorry Allah.
Just had to plug in an effort that actually accomplished something to balance out your pessimism.

Mcguyver on September 1, 2008 at 5:47 PM

I’ve “had a dream” for a while, and it’s beginning to come to fruition…

I’m pushing 40 years old; Reagan was President during my middle- and highschool years. The election that brought us GHWB was during my freshman year of college. Even at a state university, liberals were VERY SCARCE at the time. My cirlce of friends called each other “Commie Chasers.” There was just a victorious sense that we (America) were right and were good. The Reagan years have had a permanent effect on me, and I’m sure I’m not alone in this.

Hence my “dream” – that others about my age have been quietly climbing through the ranks of City Councils and State Legislatures, that those with that Love of Country similar to mine are now reaching the national stage. It has been fashionable for about a generation to deride America, blame America, pity the “victims” of America. That mindset is peaking right about now. The voice of (genuine) optimism in America is beginning to be seen and heard in the newcomers such as Palin, Jindal, Cantor, et al.
Fred was my man in the primaries, and I’d welcome him just about anywhere in a McCain/Palin administration, but the rise of this new generation must not be hindered by GOP “not your turn yet” nonsense.

The Left paints the USA as some hideous ogre, a cancer on the world. I rather believe that America is more like a Supermodel with a couple of zits. Essentially beautiful and wonderful, whose blemishes can be cured.

innominatus on September 1, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Oh good Lord, a forum elitist.

Montana on September 1, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Why, because I point out that the newbies in here are idiots when they scream that MB4 and I and a few others are trolls, when they have no idea of our background and where we have stood on issues over the course of the debate and discussion over the past year?

If that’s deemed “elitism”, then yeah, I’m a proud elitist.

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 5:48 PM

Thanks for the return to normalcy, Allah.

I’m just going to say this for now: One election at a time.

Tennman on September 1, 2008 at 5:50 PM

I’m just going to say this for now: One election at a time.

Tennman on September 1, 2008 at 5:50 PM

True dat. Things can change in a moments notice.

terryannonline on September 1, 2008 at 5:51 PM

The Left paints the USA as some hideous ogre, a cancer on the world. I rather believe that America is more like a Supermodel with a couple of zits. Essentially beautiful and wonderful, whose blemishes can be cured.

innominatus on September 1, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Good point. I dated a Leftist Feminist once. Ya I know..I know…

She believes America is the most sexist nation in the world (AP’s view of support of Palin supports my ex’s belief sadly). When I pointed out real sexism (honor killings, hijabs, you know the rest) she still maintained America was the most sexist nation in the world.

I am single again…

Montana on September 1, 2008 at 5:53 PM

Fred may have good ideas but the way he ran was like he was on downers. He acted like campaigning would screw up his afternoon nap. Great ideas, rotten candidate.

Engrpat on September 1, 2008 at 5:54 PM

If that’s deemed “elitism”, then yeah, I’m a proud elitist.

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 5:48 PM

Yes, I know you are. Congratulations.

Montana on September 1, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Palin-Jindal 2012

eski502 on September 1, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Connie on September 1, 2008 at 5:14 PM

My sentiments exactly.

onlineanalyst on September 1, 2008 at 5:56 PM

I’m of the thought that Mitt is looking to be Gov. of California, given his recent property purchase.

rhuppertz on September 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM

Montana on September 1, 2008 at 5:55 PM

heh

Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 6:01 PM

Gee people…
Fred is still the strongest, most passionate and articulate defender of Federalist Conservatism.
I love Sarah Palin but before we crown her Emperess lets think back to the wild-eyed enthusiasm we all had at the prospect of a Republican Colin Powell (before we got to know him).
Gov. Palin is a great choice in my mind but I’m not ready to designate her as the leader of the entire Conservative movement.
Let’s not throw Fred overboard. He’s a great friend to our cause.

edgehead on September 1, 2008 at 6:02 PM

I like Fred… I think. I may actually just like the character he plays on TV. I sure as hell would vote for that guy… but not for President. While I can’t say anything against him to back that opinion up, I can say that I strongly prefer the new Republican brand of McCain/ Palin to his “brandy and cigars in an oak paneled room” version.

There is a place for that version, without a doubt, but it’s not reflective of America as a whole anymore nor is it what America aspires to become.

Damiano on September 1, 2008 at 6:03 PM

rhuppertz on September 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM

That would be cool with me.

thecountofincognito on September 1, 2008 at 6:04 PM

I’m of the thought that Mitt is looking to be Gov. of California, given his recent property purchase.

rhuppertz on September 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM

I realllly hope that’s true…

MB007 on September 1, 2008 at 6:07 PM

I’m of the thought that Mitt is looking to be Gov. of California, given his recent property purchase.

rhuppertz on September 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM

hmmmm. well, if the guy is looking for a real challenge, and the fiscal condition of CA is nothing if not a real challenge, that would be the job for him.

I’d rather see him replace either Kerry or Kennedy in the US Senate. It’s also possible that they guy decided that he’s 61, perfectly financially secure, and has a great family and lots of grandkids with whom he can play.

funky chicken on September 1, 2008 at 6:07 PM

Mitt would not be welcome in a McCain administration – he does not believe in carbon caps, global warming, or that corporations are evil.

Vashta.Nerada on September 1, 2008 at 6:16 PM

I want both Fred and Mitt in Cabinet positions or on the Supreme Court.

Andy McCarthy of NRO on the SC is an inspired selection, too.

Obama/Biden are going down. It’s time to examine the king-maker Axelrod and expose him for the dirty tricks up his sleeve.

onlineanalyst on September 1, 2008 at 6:16 PM

rhuppertz on September 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM

that would be beautiful!

Conservative Voice on September 1, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Stephen F. Hayes

I’ll bet a nickle to a doughnut that Hayes is a Mittens and wrote this article “about” Fred to remove the shame from Romney’s lack of endorsement backing McCain’s Palin VP pick.

Romney is licking his wounds and showing his sour grapes sore loser attitude by not stating outright an endorsement for Palin. Yes, I read his single sentence meant to hold off public opinion until his Wed. speech two days yet away. His immediate reaction to not being chosen was tacky.

And there’s absolutely no “higher” moral ground for Romney to look down his nose at Palin and her family. Those who presume his superiority are either sadly or maliciously mistaken.

Big boys don’t cry. Buck up, Mittens.
Quit undermining the conservative movement for selfish reasons.
So it seems. It’s an opinion.

maverick muse on September 1, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Admit it. As much as you love the Barracuda and want to see her succeed, you’re nervous about the next two months and would swap in ol’ Fred if you could, right?

Only for the top of the ticket. I love Fred. He was my guy to the point I cast the protest vote in the primary. I love the idea of him on the SCOTUS. LOVE IT!

I also love his FredPac and that he is out there working for conservatives at lower levels of government. As important as the White House is, we really need to do something about Congress and state level offices.

innominatus on September 1, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Well said! I share your dream and view of America. Just as an aside, my parish priest is very patriotic, Chaplain at the VA for years. We start Mass by singing the National Anthem right before the opening blessing. I LOVE it, though I never get through it for choking up. This past Sunday, we also finished with America the Beautiful as the recessional and then the organist played My Country Tis of Thee as we all filed out. Lets just say I didn’t have much mascara left after that.

pannw on September 1, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Damiano

Fred Thompson has written his opinions and established a conservative Constitutional platform for the GOP POTUS campaign already. Check out what he has to say, too. He doesn’t mince words for the MSM to splice.

maverick muse on September 1, 2008 at 6:22 PM

He probably wouldn’t take a salary as Gov., and depending on how successful the turn around would be, could a blue state turn red for ‘12?

rhuppertz on September 1, 2008 at 6:25 PM

Michael in MI on September 1, 2008 at 5:01 PM

We are either Palin-o-maniacs, or Palinologists.

Sakaki on September 1, 2008 at 6:27 PM

ENOUGH SQUABBLING!

Here’s how it’s going down:

1. John & Sarah bring democracy to every corner of the planet, (except for those places in Brazil, and they’ll continue to leave them undiscovered).

2. Fred! becomes President of the other hemisphere.

Everybody wins.

RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Man! My van breaks down in a parking lot, and look what happens, I miss a Fred post! Well my view is Fred could still be the future. I’m not with some on HotAir who have some sort of fear of old white guys. As long as his ideas don’t change I’d still consider him for the top spot, even if he’s in a friggin wheelchair. Who knows maybe he’d move faster in a wheelchair. GO FRED! His thoughts on Palin are dead on. The only problem is that I had to read it. I’d much rather hear him say it.

Weight of Glory on September 1, 2008 at 6:31 PM

I was a total Fredhead and defended him quite a bit- but.
In for a penny, in for a pound.
He reminded me of W in 04′ when he seemed like he wasn’t hungry enough to care.
It was a questionable strategy especially when coupled with the fact he rarely went after McCain on anything.
To float a 2012 trial balloon seems rather self-serving since he did not seem very eager in 08.

jjshaka on September 1, 2008 at 6:35 PM

Romney is licking his wounds and showing his sour grapes sore loser attitude by not stating outright an endorsement for Palin. Yes, I read his single sentence meant to hold off public opinion until his Wed. speech two days yet away. His immediate reaction to not being chosen was tacky.

And there’s absolutely no “higher” moral ground for Romney to look down his nose at Palin and her family. Those who presume his superiority are either sadly or maliciously mistaken.

Big boys don’t cry. Buck up, Mittens.
Quit undermining the conservative movement for selfish reasons.
So it seems. It’s an opinion.

maverick muse on September 1, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Not true. Romney appeared with McCain and Palin at a huge campaign stop in MO. He gave an enthusiastic speech in support of the ticket.

Some of his followers are misbehaving still, but Romney himself has been terriffic. I believe he will keep campaigning and helping McCain/Palin until the election.

funky chicken on September 1, 2008 at 6:35 PM

4:45

daring to breathe a critical word about Fred during the primaries

A critical word? Your many whole cloth threads amounted to “a critical word” like Colmes’ non-apology is an apology. Whatever “crap” you ate was your own.

Fred supporters are not against Fred. On the contrary, we warmly welcome every bit of participation in politics that Fred contributes. If Fred retired from the POTUS campaign and declined the VP, that does not dampen our appreciation of the positive direction that Fred Thompson influences the party towards Founding Principles and conservative Constitutional original interpretation.

If Fred endorses Palin, why would you say that his supporters should do otherwise, Allahpundit?

Just to be nasty “because you could” is neither an excuse nor a good reason, but a mark of poor judgement.

It’s an opinion.

maverick muse on September 1, 2008 at 6:38 PM

Romney appeared with McCain and Palin at a huge campaign stop in MO. He gave an enthusiastic speech in support of the ticket.

funky chicken, thanks for clearing that up. I missed the coverage. I’m glad to hear it, because I didn’t want to think he’d snookered the improved impression I got over time.

maverick muse on September 1, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Isn’t it time we stopped going off on ALL our like minded republican friends?

Fred, Sarah, Mitt, Huck, Rudy, etc…

They will all help get John/Sarah in office.. Time to gather round the fire and stoke it up a bit…

Power to teh people!!!!!!! (Laura Ingraham style)

I call a truce.. Time to use this energy on the one, and the farce…

stlpatriot on September 1, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Nice sentiment but our AP discovered the “easy button” to get page views and that is all I think he really cares about. Oh, that and poking the “Godbags” in the eye. I think he does that for the joy of it.
That heavy disassociated artist thing was probably his schtick back when he actually left his room.

TBinSTL on September 1, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Who knows maybe he’d move faster in a wheelchair. GO FRED!

Weight of Glory, you MUST send that to Fred who has a dry wit as well.

LOL!

maverick muse on September 1, 2008 at 6:46 PM

Also, I’m waiting for your nickname for the Palin adorers.

Michael in MI

Paladines

Hening on September 1, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Quit worrying about 2012. That’s because McCain-Palin will win if they work hard & avoid major mistakes. This pessimism is really annoying.

If this pessimism continues, rest assured that I’ll jump all over you the next time you complain about Republicans’ negative attitude.

We’ve got the superior position on energy policy & national security, the biggest issues of the day. It’s time that we started acting like we deserve to win.

We’ve got the ticket with the most appealing, and most credible, change ticket in the race. We’ve got the foreign policy guru in Sen. McCain. We’ve got the energy policy guru in Gov. Palin.

The rest will take care of itself. That’s an order.

LFRGary on September 1, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Big boys don’t cry. Buck up, Mittens.
Quit undermining the conservative movement for selfish reasons.
So it seems. It’s an opinion.

maverick muse on September 1, 2008 at 6:19 PM

What in the world are you even talking about? What sour grapes? He’s campaigning…. Compare that to John McCain almost changing parties when he lost the nomination. And Hucks nonstop knifefight with himself…. for pete’s sake there is just no way Romney can get a break from you people.

petunia on September 1, 2008 at 7:26 PM

RushBaby on September 1, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Which part is going to be controlled by the Christian fascists?

Spirit of 1776 on September 1, 2008 at 7:29 PM

I’m of the thought that Mitt is looking to be Gov. of California, given his recent property purchase.

rhuppertz on September 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM

I like Romney; he’s a class act. If he doesn’t want to be Governor of California, he could always come here and run for office. We have a crappy Dim governor who needs to go, and a couple of U.S. Senators who may need to be replaced soon (McCain to another job, hopefully, and Kyl has been hinting at retirement).

Come to Arizona, Gov. Romney. You can buy a really nice house here too — and at a very reasonable price!

AZCoyote on September 1, 2008 at 7:33 PM

I always felt that Fred’s supporters were projecting Reagan because they were both actors…

But I have to admit that when Fred refused to raise his hand at the debate… that was a moment of pure… I don’t know what to call it. But it was goooood!

petunia on September 1, 2008 at 7:34 PM

This pessimism is really annoying. We’ve got the ticket with the most appealing, and most credible, change ticket in the race. We’ve got the foreign policy guru in Sen. McCain. We’ve got the energy policy guru in Gov. Palin.

The rest will take care of itself. That’s an order.

LFRGary on September 1, 2008 at 7:26 PM

What’s annoying is the rampant hyperbolic cheerleading that’s taken place since Friday. This is amazing. Mac feeds everyone an excrement sandwich for the last several years, and then when he adds a little buttery corn to it, we burst into genuflecting adoration. Palin has been compared to everything from Mike Jordan to Ronald Reagan. We’re so quick to get our own Obama that we’re stampeding reason into the dirt. AP’s right to point out these things. Put your pants on people, and act like you’ve been here before.

Cold Steel on September 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM

and Kyl has been hinting at retirement).

Come to Arizona, Gov. Romney. You can buy a really nice house here too — and at a very reasonable price!

AZCoyote on September 1, 2008 at 7:33 PM

Has he really? I hadn’t heard that. There has been quite a shake up in AZ lately.

Oh I think Mitt is a bit too East Coast for AZ. California is good but I just don’t see that happening. Arnold was a fluke and not really conservative and without Shriver I’m not sure even he would have made it.

It is a puzzel what he meant by staying in the public sector. Hmmmmmm not really that many options.

petunia on September 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Right now, Palinologist.

jaime on September 1, 2008 at 7:45 PM

AZCoyote on September 1, 2008 at 7:33 PM

If McCain wanted true reform, he would call Mitt in as a fixer. He could go in and downsize many of the bureaucratic sinkholes we have in DC. Use some of that corporate experience to turn some of these organizations into profitable organs, or better yet, close some of these redundancies all together. One thing I hope is that he stays viable somewhere. We’ll need executives, legislators, and officials like him to help us fix our economic issues once the populist and the greenies are done cratering things.

Cold Steel on September 1, 2008 at 7:45 PM

I want to add a poll to the post but I’m not sure what question to poll. Palin will win going away no matter what the question is.

Here’s a good poll: Most attractive, Jeri Thompson or Sarah Palin?

Pictures of Jeri and Sarah to help you make up your mind.

jaime on September 1, 2008 at 7:51 PM

for pete’s sake there is just no way Romney can get a break from you people.

petunia on September 1, 2008 at 7:26 PM

I Googled Romney and Palin Sunday morning, and only found the one sentence expressed. I’ve followed the conservative blogsites and Drudge to find Romney’s endorsement, and didn’t find it.

petunia, “you people” can get you into a lot of trouble these days. Within 10 minutes of correction I responded nearly an hour before your reaction:

I missed the coverage. I’m glad to hear it, because I didn’t want to think he’d snookered the improved impression I got over time.

As per Fred Thompson, read the Senator’s documents and opinions to realize the statesman before assuming he has but one talent as per your own exposure. The man is brilliant and the sort of conservative I’d trust with our nation’s future, hands down. Unlike other, Fred never pandered for either popularity or votes with empty promises and hype.

Just expressing a mutual understanding.

maverick muse on September 1, 2008 at 8:06 PM

I like Fred, and if I could switch Fred for McCain I would, but I don’t think Fred would be that great a VP, I prefer Palin or Romney.

Sackett on September 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Romney has a lot of options, and a life outside of politics. After what Huck and the haters did to him and the Mormons this year, he should re-evaluate his loyalty to the Republicans–as should all LDS conservatives.

WasatchMan on September 1, 2008 at 8:28 PM

No one is saying that Palin is infallible. No one is.

Many see the character in Palin that they want their next leader to have. Palin has herself learned to focus positive energy to accomplish big improvements against great odds, the very thing that Obama claims but in fact lacks.

Palin loves the American values that I love, our Founding Principles and the preservation of our Constitution as original text infers.

McCain’s general constitution enjoys a bill of good health. There’s as much a chance that Obama, a life long addicted chain smoker, would die in office of a stroke or heart attack as McCain might suffer a health tragedy. If sprinting up some steps to the German podium and a light work-out in the gym sent Obama immediately to his orthopedic surgeon with a hurt hip, Obama has no body strength to covet. There’s the HUGE chance that double aneurysm Joe Biden will die without notice when pressure spikes. Of them all, Palin has the best health, and she just bore her fifth child.

What Palin already has is a sound mind, good perspective, good footing for the VP journey, and the support of great leaders including Fred Thompson to help and advise. I’m supporting her as McCain’s complement.

McCain was not my choice for POTUS, but I’d have McCain lead us rather than Obama the incompetent and malleable Marxist.

maverick muse on September 1, 2008 at 8:34 PM

Although Fred Thompson would make a top notch Attonery General, Rudy Guillianni would make a solid AG as well. And of all people, Fred Thompson would make the strongest Secretary of State imaginable! Who else would you rather Pres. McCain send as our national envoy against Putin and those sorts? Go Fred!

maverick muse on September 1, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Well, I’m still a Fredhead and he was my first choice for President and then Vice-President. And yes, as much as I’m happy McCain chose Palin, I would prefer it being Fred. In fact the morning of the announcement, after I cried tears of joy that it was Palin, I actually did cry tears of sadness at the realization that the dream of Fred was dead. Glad he’s out there keeping his views in the public sphere.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on September 1, 2008 at 8:59 PM

To add to my post: when I wrote that the dream was dead, I meant because if all goes well, I don’t see Fred running in eight years against VP Palin. Generally, the VP gets the nod and few run against him/her for party unity. And would Fred want to run in eight years at the age of 75? I doubt it.

Aslans Girl on September 1, 2008 at 9:05 PM

Aslans Girl on September 1, 2008 at 9:05 PM –

Fred! can serve and I am sure he will…as a Cabinet Secretary [AG is best, but SecState would be good, too] or as one of the elders of the Party, helping the Jindal’s, and Steele’s, and Pawlenty’s and all the rest of the younger “kids” take back the Party, and take back America, too.

coldwarrior on September 1, 2008 at 9:13 PM

I have said it before and I say it again. If you do not think Thompson was by far the most Conservative candidate running, and if you did not get excited by hearing a principled Conservative speak with no BS or spin, then check the fire in YOUR belly.
Maybe depth and substance are not your things, maybe American Idol is more your speed?
So YES Go Thompson/Palin 20-12, and Go Gators!

Gatordoug on September 1, 2008 at 9:39 PM

Romney has a lot of options, and a life outside of politics. After what Huck and the haters did to him and the Mormons this year, he should re-evaluate his loyalty to the Republicans–as should all LDS conservatives.

WasatchMan on September 1, 2008 at 8:28 PM

I have Wasatch–and I came to the sad conclusion that there is no where else to run. Obama is simply too liberal. I actually got on his lists and get his emails. And I could so vote for a good moderate Dem if one was available…

But–There are likely to be 3 Supreme Court judges in the next few years and it is more than Roe that is at stake. There is nothing in it for us to have liberal judges. The make up of the judiciary is so important to preserving religous freedom. As long as we don’t get some power hungry nut like Huck who thinks the executive can over rule them.

I really believe that same sex marriage is headed to the courts. Arizona is going to get a constitutional amendment this year and others have them. And with an issue as basic as Marriage someone is going to want to force Arizona and other states to accept those marriages…national issue…goes to the Supremes.

I don’t think we can afford to hold a grudge. We need to put the country and the society our children live in ahead of our hurt feelings.

And come on it’s not like this prejudice is anything new. Okay–honestly I’m really bugged by the whole thing and if I thought it wouldn’t be worse in the long run I’d be with you.

petunia on September 1, 2008 at 9:56 PM

For many months now we’ve been talking about the many ills of McCain. But, because he’s a “Republican,” we someone think we’re winning something if he wins the election. His platform is one of a moderate Democrat, but, as long as he’s not Obama, we think we’re winning. So long as the Republican party wins, principles be damned, we somehow have convinced ourselves over the generations that “we’ve won.” As others have said: most Americans are political sheep.
“There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties… This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.” ~John Adams

Send_Me on September 1, 2008 at 10:09 PM

petunia, “you people” can get you into a lot of trouble these days. Within 10 minutes of correction I responded nearly an hour before your reaction:
maverick muse on September 1, 2008 at 8:06 PM

While I refuse to admit total failure I do stand corrected. I didn’t notice that you had made the correction. That was folly.

However, when I use the term “you people” you have my permission to feel insulted. Because most often that is the way I mean it. However, you are now out of the “you people” catagory.

petunia on September 1, 2008 at 10:13 PM

For many months now we’ve been talking about the many ills of McCain. But, because he’s a “Republican,” we someone think we’re winning something if he wins the election. His platform is one of a moderate Democrat, but, as long as he’s not Obama, we think we’re winning. So long as the Republican party wins, principles be damned, we somehow have convinced ourselves over the generations that “we’ve won.” As others have said: most Americans are political sheep.
“There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties… This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.” ~John Adams

Send_Me on September 1, 2008 at 10:09 PM

Coincidentally I have been renting the HBO videos of John Adams–I’m sort of a colonial history freak. I had already read the book a few years ago, when it came out…

And John Adams was also practical. He comprimised when nesscesary. Although he didn’t like it. And the country did split into two parties. I think it is a better system than the mulitparties that say France has.

But read my above post to Wasatchman. I think this is about the judges! And with someone as Palin putting in her two cents. John will pick pretty conservative judges. I have no independent knowledge of Palin’s positions but the ones that are talked about are more conservative than I am.

John might have the urge to compromise but Obama will just pick the most outrageous liberal judges he can find. Like 9th circuit… ‘

If you are thinking of going third party, remember Perot, and think–with Obama’s past associations, and law contacts, who might he choose.

The three oldest judges are all liberal now. One more conservative and we could change the direction of the country much more than the President alone could.

petunia on September 1, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Yeah? Read some Hot Air threads from early January. He sure sounded like the future then.

Allahpundit on September 1, 2008 at 4:58 PM

LOL just proof that ADD is possible on the internet.

Bradky on September 1, 2008 at 10:41 PM

Yes, I’m ready, if Fred gets his energy level up and McCain’s health is not the best

Thompson / Palin 2012

Janos Hunyadi on September 1, 2008 at 5:00 PM

No surprise you would think this… Thompson will be hawking the little blue pill long before 2012.

Bradky on September 1, 2008 at 10:43 PM

John will pick pretty conservative judges.

Like Breyer and Ginsburg, whom he voted to confirm?

I think it is a better system than the mulitparties that say France has.

This wouldn’t be a bad thing if we had a preferential voting system. If we could rank order the candidates, I’m quite sure McCain wouldn’t have won the nomination for the Republicans.

The three oldest judges are all liberal now. One more conservative and we could change the direction of the country much more than the President alone could.
petunia on September 1, 2008 at 10:25 PM

More so than the President or the judiciary, Congress is the key. The President can’t legislate. He can use executive orders to a certain extent (whose constitutionality I feel obligated to investigate but haven’t), as well as keep focus on this topic or that through his use of the microphone. The judiciary, yes, has great power, but I don’t foresee McCain helping much in that category, for the above reasons. His actions speak for him. What most are missing right now is that we have a tremendous opportunity in November to vote many of these incompetent legislators out. These legislators both write the laws and confirm/deny the judges that either Obama or McCain choose. This is the fight in which we need to engage, not the presidential race. In my eyes, the presidential race is lost, regardless if Obama or McCain win. To mitigate the effects of this loss, we need to affect Congress as much as possible, then work on the 2012 presidential election, which will be much easier to fight if Obama wins, to be frank. If McCain wins, he will “reach across party lines” and fail, hence making Republicans look bad, which will ensure a Democrat winning in 2012.
The Democrats aren’t focused on Congress either, which makes it more imperative that we fight now. Like I say, Congress is the key.

Send_Me on September 1, 2008 at 11:01 PM

I still have a great affection for Fred, but unless something happens in the next four years to change my mind, I want Sara run in 2012.

I want Sara to win this one, then in 2012 switch from Goose’s seat to Maverick’s and snipe Barry again. Fred getting in the ring would be like waiting for Iceman to take his shot.

We have the lock; get out of the way.

PolitiNOOB on September 2, 2008 at 5:12 AM

I am curious as to why no one here has responded to what Romney said about not taking a cabinet position? I can not find where anyone here has addressed this subject. However, just a few days ago, Huckabee said, more or less, the exact same thing and everyone here bashed him about the head and shoulders and called him a greedy self serving SOB for wanting to earn a living rather than serve in the McCain administration.

jparks1972 on September 2, 2008 at 8:57 AM

What’s annoying is the rampant hyperbolic cheerleading that’s taken place since Friday. This is amazing. Mac feeds everyone an excrement sandwich for the last several years, and then when he adds a little buttery corn to it, we burst into genuflecting adoration. Palin has been compared to everything from Mike Jordan to Ronald Reagan. We’re so quick to get our own Obama that we’re stampeding reason into the dirt. AP’s right to point out these things. Put your pants on people, and act like you’ve been here before.

Cold Steel on September 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM

+1

Vashta.Nerada on September 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM

jparks1972 on September 2, 2008 at 8:57 AM

Here http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/01/are-you-ready-for-fred-2012/comment-page-2/#comment-1367150

Vashta.Nerada on September 2, 2008 at 10:52 AM

If Biden spanks Palin, she wont be favored in 2012. She’s still an unknown, much depends on her performance. She might even be a political scapegoat if McCain looses.

hanzblinx on September 2, 2008 at 12:02 PM

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