Breaking: Bush unlikely to attend convention

posted at 10:30 am on August 31, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Well, the Bush administration learned one lesson after Hurricane Katrina — don’t act uncaring.  In a move that should surprise no one, the White House announced this morning that George Bush won’t make it to St. Paul for the Republican Convention, with Hurricane Gustav set to make landfall in Louisiana during the opening day.  Instead, Bush will have ‘alternate plans’ for Monday:

The White House says it is unlikely that President Bush will attend the Republican National Convention on Monday as scheduled because of concerns about Hurricane Gustav.

The convention schedule has the president set to speak late Monday night in St. Paul, Minn. But those plans appear to be on hold because of the monster storm that could make landfall along the Gulf Coast as early as Monday.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino says it is unlikely right now that Bush will go to Minnesota on Monday. She says alternate plans are being prepared.

Given the track record of Louisiana disasters, this time Bush will want to be as close as possible to demonstrate leadership and the critical nature of the response.  However, everyone else appears to have learned their lessons, too.  Ray Nagin called for a mandatory evacuation yesterday, enough time for those who wish to get out of the path of the storm to do so.  Kathleen Blanco has another job now, and Bobby Jindal has already called the National Guard into action.

All in all, it looks like all levels of American government have prepared for disaster much more thoroughly than in 2005.

As I commented earlier on Allahpundit’s thread last night, calls to postpone the convention are completely unrealistic at this point.  The RNCC had to reserve the Xcel Center and its two adjoining venues for two months to properly construct its infrastructure, and they only have two weeks to dismantle it and return the venues to their original state before the Wild plays its first exhibition game.  Delegates and media have had hotel reservations and flight arrangements made, as well as time off from work, etc.

At this point, they have to hold it or cancel it altogether.  And why do the latter?  The only people who would attend the convention who have anything to do with relief efforts are George Bush and Dick Cheney.  Neither of them have to attend, although their presence will be missed.  Republicans can raise money during the convention for the Salvation Army, Red Cross, and/or any relief organization who can assist the people living in the impact area.  That would be a lot more productive — and responsible — than running away.

Update: Instapundit has a poll on this very question.  At this point, three-quarters of respondents agree with me.  It probably won’t last, but I’m enjoying it while I can ….


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Republicans can raise money during the convention for the Salvation Army, Red Cross, and/or any relief organization who can assist the people living in the impact area. That would be a lot more productive — and responsible — than running away.

If they make a sincere and concerted effort to do this I will have another reason, in addition to Sarah-Cuda, to be proud of the Republican party.

D0WNT0WN on August 31, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Hopefully Mayor Chocolate will actually do something this time.

jgapinoy on August 31, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Might work to the good.

Spirit of 1776 on August 31, 2008 at 10:35 AM

As often as I chastise Captain Ed, I hate to admit he’s right, canceling the convention isn’t a real good idea. Using the venue to raise awareness of, and assistance for the victims of Gustav is a good idea. Also the talking points could be adjusted, and one good one would be that we’re a big enough country to do more than one thing at a time.

Snake307 on August 31, 2008 at 10:35 AM

I have faith in Gov Jindal. Bush needs to go. Are you saying that the President of the USA can’t do more than one thing at a time?

tarpon on August 31, 2008 at 10:35 AM

Republicans can raise money during the convention for the Salvation Army, Red Cross, and/or any relief organization who can assist the people living in the impact area. That would be a lot more productive — and responsible — than running away.

Yep.

amerpundit on August 31, 2008 at 10:37 AM

As a former twin city resident, I agree this is a smart move. No way can we let the RNCC postpone the convention and mess up my WILD viewing. No way!

LET’s GO WILD!

jbh45 on August 31, 2008 at 10:38 AM

I have faith in Gov Jindal. Bush needs to go. Are you saying that the President of the USA can’t do more than one thing at a time?

tarpon on August 31, 2008 at 10:35 AM

He can, but the idiots and Dems (same thing I know) will screech about how he is putting politics above the poor poor folks in New Orleans that didn’t learn anything from 3 years ago if he does not appear to focus his whole heart and soul to dealing with the disaster.

We know he can do both, this is a political move more than a pratical one.

conservnut on August 31, 2008 at 10:40 AM

I hate to say it, especially as I am still a mild fan of Bush, but he needs to stay the f___ away from that convention. Obama and Biden have made it clear that they will be running against Bush and trying to paint McCain as Bush-lite. McCain’s inspired choice of Palin as a running mate has energized the base and put their opponents off balance and on the defensive. By staying away from the convention, the president denies the Democrats the ability to tar McCain/Palin (fairly or not) with the BDS brush and forces them to take them on by themselves, a match they are not yet prepared for (and may never be prepared for if the current trend continues). The media has already shown itself to be completely in the tank for Obama, so any missteps by Bush at this point will damage the GOP ticket rather than his own already lackluster standings. The best gift he can give these two is distance.

Militant Bibliophile on August 31, 2008 at 10:40 AM

Why doesn’t Bush just appear via live satalite feed?

RobertInAustin on August 31, 2008 at 10:43 AM

At the risk of sounding like a jerk.

But….

As a Christian, I’d personally like to see that God-forsaken City and State plowed under for good. The amount of debauchery that goes on in that city is mind-numbing

As a Libertarian Conservative, I feel that anyone that is THAT STUPID to build a city THAT close to the water, gets what’s coming to them. I say, plow it under and save my Tax dollars.

Of course, you all know, the Liberals will, of course, blame Bush and want the Government to come their aid, because if their stupidity. I say, if they’re that stupid to live there, let ‘em suffer!

I’m a Libertarian Conservative and I approve this message.

LibertarianConservative on August 31, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Hopefully Mayor Chocolate will actually do something this time.

jgapinoy on August 31, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Heh…. Racist!

Calling Al “Interloper” Sharpton

LibertarianConservative on August 31, 2008 at 10:45 AM

How about a Bobby Jindal PSA for the American Red Cross, that plays every hour. One that describes ARC is the nations first response, and how the democratic administration prevented it from entering NOLA during Katrina…

phreshone on August 31, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Why doesn’t Bush just appear via live satalite feed?

With his low approval rating, why do we need him in St Paul anyway?

eea on August 31, 2008 at 10:46 AM

Hopefully Mayor Chocolate will actually do something this time.

jgapinoy on August 31, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Heh…. Racist!

Calling Al “Interloper” Sharpton

That was a phrase Nagin used. He said he wanted to make NO a “chocolate city”.

eea on August 31, 2008 at 10:47 AM

That was a phrase Nagin used. He said he wanted to make NO a “chocolate city”.

I know this. I was making a funny. Or so I thought! :)

LibertarianConservative on August 31, 2008 at 10:48 AM

Fortune has indeed smiled on the Republicans if this hurricane gives Bush the excuse to not attend. Now let’s hope that the storms fizzle out and not too much damage or harm come to those in the gulf region.

BryanS on August 31, 2008 at 10:48 AM

Well, it is the RNC.

He can just pop in for a 10 – 15 minute speech via satalite and wish everyone well.

I don’t like Bush, but he is the Republican president and it is the RNC, so I don’t think it would look good pulling a play from team Obama and toss Bush under the bus.

RobertInAustin on August 31, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Might work to the good.

Spirit of 1776 on August 31, 2008 at 10:35 AM

Agreed.

Vashta.Nerada on August 31, 2008 at 10:53 AM

I’m pleased with Bush’s plans. A+
Watched McCain on Fox News Sunday, and he explained it rather well… para: No need to have a FESTIVE occasion at a time like this, but business MUST be done, and he likes the idea of raising RELIEF funds at the same time.
I know that was taped yesterday, and after the interview, Chris reported that John and Sarah are heading into Miss today to examine, (report on) how the preparations are going, etc.
I think that’s a SMART move.
Otherwise, stay AWAY from the area for awhile !!

pambi on August 31, 2008 at 10:54 AM

With his low approval rating, why do we need him in St Paul anyway?

To thank him.

JiangxiDad on August 31, 2008 at 10:55 AM

LibertarianConservative on August 31, 2008 at 10:43 AM

It is sad to see a self-professed christian wish for destruction, suffering and death for a place that has activities he finds offensive.

By your logic the “idiots” in Florida, San Fran, Mississippi, and any other place that has seasonal weather and fire risks should as you say

gets what’s coming to them. I say, plow it under and save my Tax dollars.

Christian? Please give me a break.

Bradky on August 31, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Making updates on how the republicans are working to assist during this storm would deroy the liberals who would be working to denounce all efforts to assist those in need. Also, it will be interesting to see what Obama is doing during this crisis.

Point / counter point.

DannoJyd on August 31, 2008 at 10:58 AM

With his low approval rating, why do we need him in St Paul anyway?
To thank him.

That’s a damn fine answer and I hope that someday not only the Republican party but the whole country will realize the debt of gratitude we owe Bush.

PackerBronco on August 31, 2008 at 11:00 AM

To thank him.

JiangxiDad on August 31, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Wow. Great answer.

Spirit of 1776 on August 31, 2008 at 11:01 AM

To thank him.

JiangxiDad on August 31, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Well said.

James OK on August 31, 2008 at 11:05 AM

Howard Kurtz was just on CNN asking his talking head liberal panel, how obvious will the anti-McCain bias be in their coverage of the GOP convention. He admited that some in the media acted as if they wanted to have sex with Obama. He was obviously talking about Chrissy Matthews.

roninacreage on August 31, 2008 at 11:07 AM

I’d like to thank Bush for water-boarding enough terrorists that we have not had another 9/11.

Disturb the Universe on August 31, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Since Michael Moore won’t be attending the convention this week either, maybe he could go to the Gulf Coast and serve as a human sandbag.
Louisiana has a good governor now to handle things during the storm. Too bad N.O. can’t say the same about their mayor. Guaranteed: He’s busy right now trying to figure how to spin this thing against Bush if it gets rough.

whitetop on August 31, 2008 at 11:07 AM

I saw Mayor Choco Nagin interviewed by CNN. He seems like a whipped pup compared to his sneering arrogance during Katrina. The worthless s oh bee might be feeling Bobby Jindal’s boot on his neck, especially when he needs funds for someting. He is toeing the line, so to speak.

wepeople on August 31, 2008 at 11:09 AM

At this point, three-quarters of respondents agree with me. It probably won’t last, but I’m enjoying it while I can ….

Probably more people than you think pretty much agree with you on a lot of things.

HadaAbeche on August 31, 2008 at 11:11 AM

With his low approval rating, why do we need him in St Paul anyway?

To thank him

I agree with both points on their own merits. The negative- like it or not, the Dems have been running the anti-Bush campaign since 2000. This time they were going to win due to term limits and his approval rating. They have yet to run against McCain and the media has let them get away with it. Palin has changed that equation, thank goodness.

for the other side:

That’s a damn fine answer and I hope that someday not only the Republican party but the whole country will realize the debt of gratitude we owe Bush.

PackerBronco on August 31, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Spot on PB. I think we’ll get there after the election is over and McCain sends Palin out with her M-16 to take out all the nuts who will inevitably cry racism and start riots.

Damiano on August 31, 2008 at 11:12 AM

Nobody can stop the sights of Looties looting homes at NO, not Jindal and not GW.

Just dismantle this poor excuse of a city and send it’s most vile inhabitants to Barack Obama Sr.’s homeland.

Aristotle on August 31, 2008 at 11:15 AM

no big loss here. I am not a big supporter of Bush I respect his service and his stay the course in Iraq but as far as spending he was more liberal than LBJ. He was no conservative and he was no Reagan. It is time the Bushes hold over the rep party comes to an end for the good of the party. The country club reps had there day in the sun and of course screwed it up. It is time to hand the party back to Reagan conservatives or the people but I repeat myself. down with the elites up with PALIN…

unseen on August 31, 2008 at 11:15 AM

Sorry, I disagree. The media is going to make this about how mean the Republicans are no matter what happens. Bush is the sitting president and still has the bully pulpit. He doesn’t have to linger in St. Paul, but the convention needs to give him the respect of letting him speak and thank him for 8 years of very difficult service in which he was personally attacked on every possible front, and our nation was attacked by terrorists.

SouthernGent on August 31, 2008 at 11:17 AM

LibertarianConservative on August 31, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Christian ? As in follower of Christ ? Or some form of Churchianity ?
Please – get to the Word if you know what I mean, we are called to pray and reach out to the ones who are lost – not wish destruction upon them

defendfaithandfamily on August 31, 2008 at 11:19 AM

SouthernGent on August 31, 2008 at 11:17 AM

I agree.

The idea that Bush = McCain I don’t think is really believed by the American people anyway.

Spirit of 1776 on August 31, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Dems look to use Bush to attack RNC convention. Much harder to do if GWB is in NOLA with his sleeves rolled up directing a relief effort.

This allows the convention story to be about McCain (and even more so, Palin). Iraq is less of an issue for the Dems now than two years ago. It would be interesting if Gustav gives Bush a “do over”, and diminishes Katrina in the public consciousness.

Maybe they can bring GWB up on a big screen via satellite. An image of him working while others campaign might be the best message he could deliver in St. Paul.

dedalus on August 31, 2008 at 11:28 AM

Part of me hope’s McCain chooses not to show up. I adore the man and 100% support him, but he’s never been a speech guy. He can’t fake being fake enough to give a good convention speech.

Let him and Bush go down to NO and take care of business. Link them both via satellite for brief, token speeches and let the rhetorical heavy hitters do the dirty work at the convention.

Since the media is going to call “politically capitalizing on tragedy” anyhow, just go with it. McCain can hold a uplinked townhall style acceptance speech from a shelter. If they start stowing folks and Superdome, it would be an unfortunate thing, but politically perfect.

Damiano on August 31, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Might work to the good.

Spirit of 1776 on August 31, 2008 at 10:35 AM

That’s what I’m thinking too, Spirit. I imagine Team McCain wanted to downplay Bush’s appearance at the convention and keep Cheney away altogether. And I imagine Bush and Cheney were willing to cooperate by laying as low as possible. The storm gives everyone a graceful way out. Problem solved.

Now it’s up to Team McCain to make lemonade from this lemon, to be creative with the convention and respond to the occasion of the hurricane in a transformational way that will make us proud of the McCain-Palin GOP.

petefrt on August 31, 2008 at 11:29 AM

The story that never seems to get reported from Hurricane Katrina was the fact that the National Guard did a brilliant job in their rescue missions. Hurricane Katrina was not a disaster, but actually a huge success story. But, of course, you won’t hear those facts from the media or the Left or the Democrats. Pathetic.

GOVERNMENT RESPONDED RAPIDLY

MYTH: “The aftermath of Katrina will go down as one of the worst abandonments of Americans on American soil ever in U.S. history.” –Aaron Broussard, president, Jefferson Parish, La., Meet the Press, NBC, Sept. 4, 2005

REALITY: Bumbling by top disaster-management officials fueled a perception of general inaction, one that was compounded by impassioned news anchors. In fact, the response to Hurricane Katrina was by far the largest — and fastest-rescue effort in U.S. history, with nearly 100,000 emergency personnel arriving on the scene within three days of the storm’s landfall.

Dozens of National Guard and Coast Guard helicopters flew rescue operations that first day — some just 2 hours after Katrina hit the coast. Hoistless Army helicopters improvised rescues, carefully hovering on rooftops to pick up survivors. On the ground, “guardsmen had to chop their way through, moving trees and recreating roadways,” says Jack Harrison of the National Guard. By the end of the week, 50,000 National Guard troops in the Gulf Coast region had saved 17,000 people; 4000 Coast Guard personnel saved more than 33,000.

These units had help from local, state and national responders, including five helicopters from the Navy ship Bataan and choppers from the Air Force and police. The Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries dispatched 250 agents in boats. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), state police and sheriffs’ departments launched rescue flotillas. By Wednesday morning, volunteers and national teams joined the effort, including eight units from California’s Swift Water Rescue. By Sept. 8, the waterborne operation had rescued 20,000.

While the press focused on FEMA’s shortcomings, this broad array of local, state and national responders pulled off an extraordinary success — especially given the huge area devastated by the storm. Computer simulations of a Katrina-strength hurricane had estimated a worst-case-scenario death toll of more than 60,000 people in Louisiana. The actual number was 1077 in that state.

NEXT TIME: Any fatalities are too many. Improvements hinge on building more robust communications networks and stepping up predisaster planning to better coordinate local and national resources.

Michael in MI on August 31, 2008 at 11:29 AM

With his low approval rating, why do we need him in St Paul anyway?
To thank him.

That’s a damn fine answer and I hope that someday not only the Republican party but the whole country will realize the debt of gratitude we owe Bush.

Bush has been downright heroic on the pro-life front. He’s been a gentleman in a city of devils. He’s cut taxes. I give him credit for that. But he’s made blunders & spent way too much of our money. And we have an election to win.

eea on August 31, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Mayor Nagin ain’t got nothing to do with the superior response. It’s all at Bobby Jindal’s doorstep. To which I say, well done.

Hurricane Gustav sounds like a real bastard. My thought and prayers are with the people in its line of fire.

mjk on August 31, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Part of me hope’s McCain chooses not to show up.
Damiano on August 31, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Could be a chance for Palin to show she IS ready to handle things. ;-)

SouthernGent on August 31, 2008 at 11:32 AM

Sorry, I disagree. The media is going to make this about how mean the Republicans are no matter what happens. Bush is the sitting president and still has the bully pulpit. He doesn’t have to linger in St. Paul, but the convention needs to give him the respect of letting him speak and thank him for 8 years of very difficult service in which he was personally attacked on every possible front, and our nation was attacked by terrorists.

SouthernGent on August 31, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Exactly. This man got us through one of the toughest times in American history and now all that means jack squat and we don’t even want him at the convention? How classless.

Michael in MI on August 31, 2008 at 11:33 AM

The worthless s oh bee might be feeling Bobby Jindal’s boot on his neck, especially when he needs funds for someting. He is toeing the line, so to speak.

wepeople on August 31, 2008 at 11:09 AM

Like I said on another thread last night, I’m willing to bet he was told in no uncertain terms this time around, he WILL have his act together. The Feds may not be able to do anything about His Chocolateness’ lack of preparedness, but Jindal sure as h&!l can.

BillH on August 31, 2008 at 11:33 AM

I posted this at Ace earlier today-

I think they should cancel the entire first night of the convention on Tuesday. That’s when the worst is going to be happening in LA. Do some live shots of convention delegates writing relief checks and giving blood.

Then on the second night, have the planned speakers like Romney, Meg Whitman, and Carly Fiorina instead announce that they are personally donating $50 million to the relief effort. Then show a film of all the Republican governors on the Gulf Coast getting it right this time, followed by Sarah Palin’s speech.

On the final night, have McCain introduced via live satellite feed by Bobby Jindal.

McCain gets a 10 point bounce.

rockmom on August 31, 2008 at 11:35 AM

On the final night, have McCain introduced via live satellite feed by Bobby Jindal.

I’m all for that.

Spirit of 1776 on August 31, 2008 at 11:37 AM

I’m torn. It’s sad that we have to conform to people’s misconceptions, but it’s a smart move politically.

The convention must go on, even if they tone it down some. People just don’t realize that there is nothing a large group of politicians can do in the face of a hurricane.

There are people who are trained to handle disasters, and politicians looking for a photo-op get in the way.

The state is in more capable hands now, and any state should be able to deal with these problems with federal assistance, with little intervention.

Of course the dems are doing their best to convince people that they can’t make it on their own, without Uncle Sam holding their hand, so situations like this arise.

Let the trained professionals head to the Gulf of Mexico, and let the politicians release the funds needed and stay out of the way.

reaganaut on August 31, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Let Palin run the convention

tomas on August 31, 2008 at 11:41 AM

It’s a convenient excuse to keep Bush away from the convention. This is McCain’s last best push before the game is on in earnest. It’s Sarah Palin’s shining moment, too. And Bush would only look upstaged by such a dynamic woman. It keeps her in the forefront.

And, while I like Bush on many levels, he can pound sand when it comes to wanting to look tough all of a sudden. He’s one of the Good Old Boys that Sarah Palin likes to make cry.

Joan of Argghh on August 31, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Michael in MI on August 31, 2008 at 11:33 AM

My take is loathe him, hate him, like him, or love him, he is still the head of the Party. I can see if he takes himself out, even if just for a political reason, because he is going to be conceivably quite busy for the next few days. With that, I can understand a short satellite-fed speech. But for us to say we don’t want him there because essentially we’re afraid he’ll taint our new-found future star? I find that astonishingly disrespectful.

BillH on August 31, 2008 at 11:49 AM

eea:

I think the President should address the convention via satellite. To kick the man out of his own party’s convention because of his approval ratings would be downright tacky.

You say he has made blunders, I think that is debatable. But to turn your back on him when he is still popular with the Republican base, not to mention the President of the United States would be wrong, tacky and stupid.

Not to mention the fact that the Democrats would just love that kind of slight and no doubt exploit it.

Terrye on August 31, 2008 at 11:53 AM

Joan:

That is not true, if there is one thing Bush is, it is tough. And he like Sarah Palin, has made that plain. The truth is Republicans loved him when they rode his coat tails to a rare majority for them in both Congress and the White House and then when things got tough all too many of them were ready to stab him in the back.

Terrye on August 31, 2008 at 11:55 AM

But for us to say we don’t want him there because essentially we’re afraid he’ll taint our new-found future star? I find that astonishingly disrespectful.

BillH on August 31, 2008 at 11:49 AM

Exactly. As do I. Just 4 years ago I was as giddily excited and inspired to campaign and vote for President Bush as people are about Sarah Palin today. And I know I was not alone. President Bush received the most votes in history. Sure, I disagree with some of his policies and some of the things he has done, but I still have great respect for the man.

On the other hand, it was just LAST YEAR that people all through the GOP could not stand John McCain and his nonsense. The fact that people are now showing the love to McCain for accomplishing nothing yet and throwing President Bush under the bus? I’m ashamed to call myself a Republican-voter. This is just classless and disrespectful.

I guess when it comes to winning elections, the right is just as bad as the left. Do whatever it takes to win, even throwing your own President under the bus. Sad. Truly sad.

Michael in MI on August 31, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Bush unlikey to attend convention on Monday.
Wanted: New headline writer

Basilsbest on August 31, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Bush does not deserve to be treated like he does not belong at the convention, not by his own party. He has had to deal with a lot of difficult things and he is the same man now that he was when he won two terms. It shames me to hear people talk about him as if he were a pair of old used up shoes.

Terrye on August 31, 2008 at 12:03 PM

On the other hand, it was just LAST YEAR that people all through the GOP could not stand John McCain and his nonsense. The fact that people are now showing the love to McCain for accomplishing nothing yet and throwing President Bush under the bus? I’m ashamed to call myself a Republican-voter. This is just classless and disrespectful.

Actually, I still don’t like McCain. I doubt I’d vote for him, I’ve said why often enough. However, I do have a sense of respect for Gov. Palin.

I think that her approval ratings say a lot. She has an 80% approval rating in Alaska. I’m in Georgia. I don’t think any Governor from Georgia has ever had an 80% approval rating. That means even her political rivals respect and approve of her to a certain extent.

I said it Friday, I’ll say it again. I think McCain won the election on Friday. The Democrat’s complaint is that she’s too inexperienced. Fine, show me any executive level experience either of your candidates have. Neither has served in anything but a debating legislative body. Neither has ever had sole responsibility for even a tiny town with a population of nine thousand. Neither has ever had sole responsibility for a State, even one with the sparse population of Wyoming. Neither has ever been the head of a business, with responsibilities for payroll and production. So the lack of experience complaint is obviously moot.

She didn’t go to Law School. Most of us in the real world consider that a plus, not a detraction. We hate lawyers, and the nonsense we have to endure because of them. Stupid warning labels that were placed because some fool did something incredibly stupid, and now I have to read about it via a warning label. On a Curling Iron my wife purchased. “Do not put into any orifice.” What in the name of all that is Holy are you trying to curl in an orifice? I wouldn’t have ever dreamed of putting a burning hot appliance into any orifice. Someone not only thought about it, but they did it. They sued, and apparently won because there is a stupid warning label now to limit the liability of the manufacturer from someone’s stupidity. Thanks Lawyers, for making us all pay for the stupidity.

Tell me again why Governor Palin’s not attending Law School is a bad thing?

Snake307 on August 31, 2008 at 12:12 PM

It is sad to see a self-professed christian wish for destruction, suffering and death for a place that has activities he finds offensive.

By your logic the “idiots” in Florida, San Fran, Mississippi, and any other place that has seasonal weather and fire risks should as you say

gets what’s coming to them. I say, plow it under and save my Tax dollars.

Christian? Please give me a break.

Bradky on August 31, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Unlike you evangelicals, We fundamentalists don’t wink at sin.

LibertarianConservative on August 31, 2008 at 12:13 PM

LibertarianConservative on August 31, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Christian ? As in follower of Christ ? Or some form of Churchianity ?
Please – get to the Word if you know what I mean, we are called to pray and reach out to the ones who are lost – not wish destruction upon them

See above.

LibertarianConservative on August 31, 2008 at 12:13 PM

On the other hand, it was just LAST YEAR that people all through the GOP could not stand John McCain and his nonsense. The fact that people are now showing the love to McCain for accomplishing nothing yet and throwing President Bush under the bus? I’m ashamed to call myself a Republican-voter. This is just classless and disrespectful.

Myself, I’m not the number one fan of Pres. Bush. I dislike his stance on illegal immigration, and yeah, perception, but I think hes a bit too mild when it comes to pushing the Party line vis-a-vis the Donks. One of my biggest beefs with McCain was HIS stance on illegal immigration, which amounts to four more years of the same, if not, well, lack of a better word, worse (I’m from San Diego- why do you ask?). All this leads up to I’m still only lukewarm about McCain. But, here we are. You run what ya brung. That means 1)I’m stepping up for McCain, Palin or no. I will not be the one to permit a Marxist to sit in the President’s chair. 2)As JiangxiDad said, if nothing else, we need to thank Bush. This is the denoument of his Presidency. Even with the gaffes, screwups, and the less-than-optimum policies on some things, he’s still done pretty well by us. Borrowing Barry’s Bus makes us look pretty bad, and rightfully so.

BillH on August 31, 2008 at 12:17 PM

I don’t want belabor the issue this morning, but I believe W will do very well in history. Exceptionally well. The war in Iraq, the primo issue of the last 5 years, has been used successfully by the Donkasses to pound on him, but in reality the war was just a minor blip in history in most respects. There were probably literally 1000X as many Donkasses that died of drug abuse and socially contracted disease during the last five years than died in wars in the mid-east. The onslaught of time usually has a way to sorting things out. Except for his failure to defend himself on many issues that were highly defensible, I am proud that this imperfect person was my President.

JonRoss on August 31, 2008 at 12:18 PM

BillH:

Bush’s stand on illegal immigration is the same as it was when he got the nomination back in 2000. It is the same as it was when he won his second term. He is not the one who changed.

Terrye on August 31, 2008 at 12:19 PM

LibertarianConservative on August 31, 2008 at 12:13 PM

Being a hypocrite does not make you a christian. Your own words – not mine – show your malice toward others.
As for winking at sin… well I didn’t realize that God had put the fundies on the chair next to him. You know… “Judgment is mine saith the lord” and all that jazz….

Bradky on August 31, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Terrye on August 31, 2008 at 12:19 PM

I know.

BillH on August 31, 2008 at 12:21 PM

Bush’s biggest mistake in 2005, especially as the former governor and life-long resident of a neighboring state, was in not realizing what a cesspool of incompetence and corruption Louisana’s state government was, and not to overrule Blanco when she balked at allowing the National Guard and other federal agencies to proactively set-up operations in the state.

Now with Jindal as governor, and with a far more chastised group of local Democratic officials (Aaron Broussard was subdued-to-comatose during an interview on Fox this morning, and is probably thankful Tim Russert isn’t around anymore to nail his butt to the wall over those lies on “Meet the Press” three years ago), the guard is in place, the evacuations are underway, presumably the buses won’t be left to stand in nine feet of water this time and they’ve already said anyone who’s caught looting will have a spot reserved at the Angola State Prison.

As long as the disaster relief work is competent, the media would be left with the meme that Bush is showing his callousness again by going to the convention. If he doesn’t show up, that’s off the table, and they’ll be left scrambling to find anyone they can complaining about poor relief efforts or gripes outside the area about higher gas prices due to the shutdown of the Gulf coast refineries following the storm.

jon1979 on August 31, 2008 at 12:31 PM

I was one of those voters in the Insta-Poll agreeing with Ed.

Obama wants to say McCain = Bush. Let Bush & Cheney go to NOLA, or nearby, and pitch in with relief efforts. Bring up a live satellite feed for an address to the convention.

Give McCain/Palin a chance to go to NOLA to support residents, then fly to the convention in time to deliver their message of Conservative, but not Bush III. Thank Bush for his effective leadership, acknowledge his term is nearly over, McCain/Palin are up to bat and it is time to bring true change to Washington.

Win/Win. (except for Obama/Biden. Heh).

cs89 on August 31, 2008 at 12:32 PM

President Bush deserves to speak–in person or via satellite. To deny his presence is unthinkable. He has not been perfect, but we never have had a perfect president. If Nancy Pelosi can be on stage at the DNC, despite her very low approval ratings, surely our President who has managed to safeuard our nation should be welcomed and HONORED!

Pat in NC on August 31, 2008 at 12:34 PM

Terrye on August 31, 2008 at 11:55 AM

Thank you for your many posts in this thread saying what needed to be said.

And to the others who also expressed similar sentiments. Thank you.

Blake on August 31, 2008 at 12:53 PM

I, for one, am grateful to President Bush because we have not had an attack on our soil since 9/11/01. I was and continue to be proud he is our President. I agree that history will be kind to him eventually. I will be very angry if he is snubbed by the Party. Like other posters above, I think it would be a good idea for him to do a live feed from LA.

HawaiiLwyr on August 31, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Fox News just reported that many phone lines have been dropped onto the convention floor, LA and MS are going home-chartered by a McCain/Palin.
A new schedule is coming out in a couple of hours with a “revised” schedule of the convention. Speculation is it will be a HUGE coorinated relief effort on the part of the delegates.
Nothing like getting a bunch of Republicans together and get something done. It’ll be an interesting week…if the GOP is helping the folks in LA/MS…how with Obama et.al. respond?

As for Bush…he does need to watch and lead, not give a speech. Thats something Obama does…

stuck_in_Obama_land on August 31, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Guaranteed DNC talking point:

President Bush is cynically using a hurricane to avoid appearing together with GOP candidates because his approval ratings are almost as low as Nancy Pelosi’s. Bastard!

jeff_from_mpls on August 31, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Given the track record of Louisiana disasters

Not to be too nitpicking here but they are NATURAL disasters that have impacted Louisiana. The state has absolutely nothing to do with the creation of tropical cyclones. The only Louisiana disasters involved with Katrina were Nagin and Blanco.

highhopes on August 31, 2008 at 1:25 PM

At the risk of sounding like a jerk.

But….

As a Christian, I’d personally like to see that God-forsaken City and State plowed under for good. The amount of debauchery that goes on in that city is mind-numbing…

You’d be getting off easy if your comments merely earn you jerk status. As a New Orleans resident, I have much stronger words to describe you ignorant hatred. There is far more to New Orleans than Bourbon Street and I can assure you that we Christians are alive and living Christian lives amid all the “debauchery.”

As a Libertarian Conservative, I feel that anyone that is THAT STUPID to build a city THAT close to the water, gets what’s coming to them. I say, plow it under and save my Tax dollars.

That would be the French about 300 years ago. You should ask them for your tax dollars back.

Of course, you all know, the Liberals will, of course, blame Bush and want the Government to come their aid, because if their stupidity. I say, if they’re that stupid to live there, let ‘em suffer!

Nice attitude.

I’m a Libertarian Conservative and I approve this message.

LibertarianConservative on August 31, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Glad you made it clear just what branch of nutroots spouts this kind of ignorance.

highhopes on August 31, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Didn’t know where else to ask this.. sorry if a bit OT….

Can anyone directly link me to a comment or two from Obama/camp concerning this tragedy-to-be ???
Am I alone in finding NOTHING as I search the net ??
Surely not !! Surely not complete silence !!

Carry on.

pambi on August 31, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Random comments on what the RNC and McCain campaign should be doing this week.

1. There really is business that needs to be taken care of at these political conventions. Behind the ballons and parties there is a serious and statutory side to a convention. The convention should go on and take care of these matters albeit toned down since so many people will be watching the coverage from wherever they evacuated.

2. The Gulf Coast doesn’t need politicians making photo-op trips into the most effected regions. GWB is right to stay away and monitor things from TX. John McCain shouldn’t even be going to Jackson, MS but I give him credit for trying to help get delegates back home so they can take care of their families.

3. I like the idea that is being thrown out there of turning the convention into a “call to service” event stressing the need for Americans to help one another. Done correctly, those Democrats that are gleeful Southerners are going to suffer losses will be bitter that the sun was shining during the DNC convention.

4. The GOP owes GWB a proper send off whether it is during the convention or not. John McCain as the presumptive leader of the party needs to put his own hatred of Bush aside and do the right thing for a man who has led the nation for eight very challenging years (often without any support from McCain).

5. Finally, and this is important. Thousands are displaced this week and most likely will not be able to return home until Wednesday or Thursday at the very earliest. Should the storm surges hit New Orleans at the potential levels predicted, it could be much longer for many. The GOP needs to be sensitive to that so the convention is not necessarily the time to preach “personal responsibility” over government’s tendency to bail people out of these situations. There will be time enough to express this theme later.

highhopes on August 31, 2008 at 1:59 PM


At the risk of sounding like a jerk.

As a Christian, I’d personally like to see that God-forsaken City and State plowed under for good. The amount of debauchery that goes on in that city is mind-numbing…

LibertarianConservative on August 31, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Yes, you certainly sound like a christian: destroy them if they don’t live like us!!! Kind of like Sodom, huh? Hey, if I can find you 50 righteous people who live there, will you retract your statement? Ok then, how about 10 people? See how silly your little camp fire stories sound in the 21st century?

And…FYI…your “kill them here, kill them now” ideology doesn’t quite mesh with your “Libertarian” moniker, does it? Libertarians have no problem with homosexuals (uh oh…sodomy warning!!!!) nor the manner is which people live. Perhaps you need a refresher course on LP principles?

Here you go:

Each individual has the right to control his or her own body, action, speech, and property. Government’s only role is to help individuals defend themselves from force and fraud

DanKenton on August 31, 2008 at 2:04 PM

As someone who lives in New Orleans, and a conservative, you guys have no idea what you are talking about with Mayor Nagin. He’s far more conservative than any mayor NO has ever had, and was dealing with an incompetent city and incompetent governor.

This time he won’t be having nearly the problems, neither will bush, because Jindal is governor.

There’s a reason our former governor didn’t run for reelection.

TTheoLogan on August 31, 2008 at 3:54 PM

This is easy. The President stays in the White House to manage the crisis if thats what happens, and he takes 20 minutes to go on TV behind the big desk to address the RNC crowd.

The President should then spend 10 minute giving a sitrep and explain what’s being done to protect or rebuild the country from the storm. Low key, fact based, extemporaneous.
Suit and tie not required.

The he can use the boot end of the broadcast in praise of the Maverick & Goose ticket and refer back to how tough it is to stay on top of a national emergency and thats why we need McCain. He could even praise Obama if he wanted. Then end the address.

The crowd would love it, & gives the MSM nothing to harp about. President Bush still has the overall support of most Republicans. More than most people, those Republicans grok practical politics. Right now that means the President is unpopular, and suggests taking a low-key approach to passing the torch vs the big arena spectacle, especially in time of possible national emergency.

Mike D. on August 31, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Blake:

Thank you for noticing.

Terrye on August 31, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Here’s another thought: Theres a pre-existing relationship between all three of what i consider to be the top GOP governors in the country, an All-american lineup of diaper dandy Jindal and super-soph Haley Barbour. Redshirt freshman Palin is also available. These three know each other well from the Republican Governor’s Association.

Gustav is headed straight at the gulf coast just like 3 years ago. Unlike three years ago, there are highly capable state chief executives working to mitigate the crisis who know each other personally and professionally. Thats a good thing in a national emergency. I hope Gustav hits as a tropical depression.

Mike D. on August 31, 2008 at 4:28 PM

I wonder if people will turn on Palin this way someday?Ask her to make herself scarce. Bush was a popular two term president and a darling of conservatives, until he wasn’t. I guess Obama is not the only one out there who is good at throwing people under the bus.

Terrye on August 31, 2008 at 4:30 PM

LibertarianConservative on August 31, 2008 at 10:43 AM

You need to relax.

The Race Card on August 31, 2008 at 4:36 PM

The Race Card on August 31, 2008 at 4:36 PM

You should talk. That’s like the sink calling the toilet white.

The Race Card on August 31, 2008 at 4:37 PM

The only people who would attend the convention who have anything to do with relief efforts are George Bush and Dick Cheney.

I have to disagree with this.

While Bush I agree Bush is still the president, McCain and Obama are both trying to become president. The storm provides an opportunity for both men to prove they can be leaders. I’m not suggesting they do what the president should do, but they are the foremost leaders of each party, and each should do what they can to lead the country in this time. I believe McCain realizes this, and he shouldn’t be at the convention until we know for sure he is not needed to lead elsewhere.

ballz2wallz on August 31, 2008 at 5:12 PM

Gee, instead of selling “free” seats for two hours of volunteer work to the McCain campaign, the powers that be could request donations of time or money to hurricane relief instead.

NTropy on August 31, 2008 at 5:23 PM

TTheoLogan on August 31, 2008 at 3:54 PM

You don’t live in New Orleans or you are not a conservative if you defend Nagin so easily. He was even more incompetent than Blanco during Katrina. Yes, you are probably right that he is more “conservative” than Morial or one of his predecessors. After Katrina he had the option of making real change to the city by merely adopting the plan put forth by the urban planners. He did not and went on to squander a real chance for changing institutional and societal norms in the city. He also fought getting an independent auditor to the point that he refused to provide the essential equipment (computers) to support this new office. In short, Nagin is dedicated in keeping New Orleans the ignorant backwards chocolate city it has always been. He is currently involved in three scandals- one dealing with the thousands he and his staff has illegally or unethically charged to the city, one dealing with his family’s involvement in the Home Depot deal, and all that work his brother-in-law didn’t do as one of the biggest contractors charging the city through the NOAH program.

I will give him some credit for the way he has dealt with Gustav but much of this comes out of state/fed changes since Katrina- not anything Nagin has done. Those busses and trains rolled out of NOLA because of other’s efforts. All the incompetent bastard had to do is shut his big mouth. That’s probably the most important thing at this point.

highhopes on August 31, 2008 at 6:15 PM

The storm provides an opportunity for both men to prove they can be leaders

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As an evacuee, I’ve pretty much been listening to Fox News Channel all afternoon (in a campground without cable but since I have Sirius I’m hearing the coverage) McCain’s comments about the GOP convention hit precisely the right note of sounding presidential. Obama’s “I’ve been consulting with all the leaders” falls a bit flat. Mark my words here- before this storm is over, Democrats will be complaining that their convention was hurricane free.

highhopes on August 31, 2008 at 6:30 PM

About Pres. Bush… who cares? He’s abandonded the GOP.

Hopefully Mayor Chocolate will actually do something this time.

jgapinoy on August 31, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Ray “Chocolate City” Nagin, instead of shoring up Chocolate City, has been making the news show rounds to promote Katrina Gustav. Oh, he also admitted on MSNBC that he and his staff use rhetoric, such as “the mother of all storms” to draw attention to keep pity and political pressure on the GOP to scare people into leaving.

madmonkphotog on August 31, 2008 at 6:33 PM


As an evacuee, I’ve pretty much been listening to Fox News Channel all afternoon (in a campground without cable but since I have Sirius I’m hearing the coverage) McCain’s comments about the GOP convention hit precisely the right note of sounding presidential. Obama’s “I’ve been consulting with all the leaders” falls a bit flat. Mark my words here- before this storm is over, Democrats will be complaining that their convention was hurricane free.

highhopes on August 31, 2008 at 6:30 PM

Give me a break. What did you expect McShame to say when he knows that the cameras are going to be shooting the storm and not the convention? His cancellation list is growing so of course he’s going to shut it down. And what exactly is Obama supposed to do when his convention has ended and he is in no position aside from offering moral support to manage this event? Of course you forgot to mention how he has directed donations to R/C from his website.

Grow up you biased McShame groupie.

DanKenton on August 31, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Bush does not deserve to be treated like he does not belong at the convention

For all we know it was Bush’s idea to skip the convention.

aengus on August 31, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Grow up you biased McShame groupie.

DanKenton on August 31, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Oh Thank You for the great laugh! I’ve been stressed out all day dealing with this unwanted “vacation” in my life. To be called a McShame groupie on the same forum where I am generally considered one of those evil social conservatives who is going to destroy this nation by not voting for McCain made my day!

Listen up idiot. I still distrust McCain as much as I always have. He said all the right things today and the GOP is doing all the right things to ensure the GOP isn’t engaging in silly frivolity while over a million Americans are displaced from their homes. This is the right thing to do and good political strategy. It’s the right way to proceed with what is going on here in the South.

highhopes on August 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM

For all we know it was Bush’s idea to skip the convention.

aengus on August 31, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Fact of the matter is that it is irrelevant what GWB wants to do. He is still President and there is still a major crisis going on. He needs to deal with the nation’s business. To ignore that fact and be part of the frivolity of political conventions would be affirming all the unfounded claims that this President has endured during the last eight years.

highhopes on August 31, 2008 at 7:05 PM

At the risk of sounding like a jerk.

But….

As a Christian, I’d personally like to see that God-forsaken City and State plowed under for good. The amount of debauchery that goes on in that city is mind-numbing…

As a Libertarian Conservative, I feel that anyone that is THAT STUPID to build a city THAT close to the water, gets what’s coming to them. I say, plow it under and save my Tax dollars.

Of course, you all know, the Liberals will, of course, blame Bush and want the Government to come their aid, because if their stupidity. I say, if they’re that stupid to live there, let ‘em suffer!

I’m a Libertarian Conservative and I approve this message.

LibertarianConservative on August 31, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Shameful comment. Sure, there’s a lot of debauchery in New Orleans and around that we could all do without. But there are also a lot of ordinary people who work, raise families, and try to do what’s right. Would you condemn them for the actions of others.

Abraham pleaded for the safety of Sodom if even 10 good people could be found. Your attitude reminds me more of the disciples of Jesus who wanted him to destroy a city of Samaria because they refused to sell food to Jews. As I recall, Jesus rebuked them for their attitude.

Christians are called to stand for judgement, but to love mercy.

theregoestheneighborhood on August 31, 2008 at 7:14 PM


Oh Thank You for the great laugh!
Listen up idiot. I still distrust McCain as much as I always have. He said all the right things today and the GOP is doing all the right things to ensure the GOP isn’t engaging in silly frivolity while over a million Americans are displaced from their homes. This is the right thing to do and good political strategy. It’s the right way to proceed with what is going on here in the South.

highhopes on August 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM

You’re welcome doofus. The GOP isn’t engaged in silly frivolity? If you think what they are doing is for your dumb butt and not for votes then you need to change the dial on your radio. I think you’ve reached critical mass in the ignorance category.

DanKenton on August 31, 2008 at 8:42 PM

I think you’ve reached critical mass in the ignorance category.

DanKenton on August 31, 2008 at 8:42 PM

And that is what is great about this nation. Even complete morons like you can voice their opinions about what they think no matter who illiterate, illogical, or stupid. You’re the trifecta.

highhopes on August 31, 2008 at 9:53 PM

DanKenton on August 31, 2008 at 8:42 PM

By the way moron, I don’t appreciate the way you selectively edited my post.

highhopes on August 31, 2008 at 9:55 PM


By the way moron, I don’t appreciate the way you selectively edited my post.

highhopes on August 31, 2008 at 9:55 PM

Boo frickin’ hoo ahole. Bite me.

DanKenton on August 31, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Boo frickin’ hoo ahole. Bite me.

DanKenton on August 31, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Ignorant and using profanity to cover up your lack of intellect. Whether you realize it or not your profile is clearly evident. STFU and down another six pack you uneducated troll.

highhopes on August 31, 2008 at 10:12 PM


STFU and down another six pack you uneducated troll.

highhopes on August 31, 2008 at 10:12 PM

LMAO….is that supposed to be a “I know you are but what am I?” quip? Listen Cleetus, I’m not the redneck with the confederate flag tattoo on my chest who is trying desperately to hide my man-love crush on Juan McShame. Here’s some Gustav advice for you: open that pie hole of yours nice and wide and swallow hard (nothing new there, eh Cleetus?)

DanKenton on August 31, 2008 at 10:55 PM

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