Zogby: Palin may have neutralized Obama’s convention bounce
posted at 9:47 pm on August 30, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The euphoria has finally worn off, leaving a hitherto pessimistic blogger in full-blown panic mode over a complete wild card being slapped onto the table. Tossed about in a roiling sea of heart-ache, he reaches for the thinnest, weakest plank of hope within his grasp: A Zogby poll.
Has it come to this, my friends? Convincing ourselves that everything’s going to be okay with data harvested by a guy who blew the California primary by 23 points?
With this I bid my last shred of credibility farewell.
Republican John McCain’s surprise announcement Friday of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate – some 16 hours after Democrat Barack Obama’s historic speech accepting his party’s presidential nomination – has possibly stunted any Obama convention bump, the latest Zogby Interactive flash poll of the race shows…
The interactive online Zogby survey shows that both Obama and McCain have solidified the support among their own parties – Obama won 86% support of Democrats and McCain 89% of Republicans in a two-way head-to-head poll question not including the running mates. When Biden and Palin are added to the mix, Obama’s Democratic support remains at 86%, while McCain’s increases to 92%…
Overall, 52% said the selection of Palin as the GOP vice presidential nominee helps the Republican ticket, compared to 29% who said it hurt. Another 10% said it made no difference, while 10% were unsure. Among independent voters, 52% said it helps, while 26% said it would hurt. Among women, 48% said it would help, while 29% said it would hurt the GOP ticket. Among Republicans, the choice was a big hit – as 87% said it would help, and just 3% said it would hurt.
Asking if Palin helps or hurts the ticket seems like a reasonable proxy for asking whether you’re more or less likely to vote for it, in which case these numbers don’t square with Gallup’s. The margin there was only +7 overall and +9 among women. I don’t know about those GOP numbers, either. The phenomenon of Palinmania means they’re not wholly out of the realm of possibility, but … only three percent think she’ll hurt the ticket with her resume as thin as it is? I know we’re cocooning to some extent over the past 36 hours, but man, that’s some extent.
Exit question: Acknowledging that hard drugs are illegal and therefore shouldn’t be used, couldn’t one make a moral claim that using them while watching the vice-presidential debate to avert a nervous breakdown is better on balance for society?
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And I suspect that he says water is wet and the sky is blue. Just proves that as a broken clock, he can be “correct” at least twice a day.
wise_man on August 30, 2008 at 10:36 PM
I’m going to say something possibly controversial: I think I’d pick McCain for President over Allahpundit or Charles Krauthammer or David Frum or Rick Brookhiser, and I trust his personal estimation of Palin’s character over theirs, Paul Begala’s, or any of you all’s, while I’m at it. Most of all, I trust my own estimation of her from seeing her in action – admittedly only over the TV and internet.
She’s not a fake, and people are going to like her a lot, and when she says, for instance, that we should choose life, a lot of people out there are going to re-think their own feelings about it. When she says, for instance, that we need to drill more for the sake of ourselves and our children, it’s going to wake some people up. When she says, we need to fight the war on terror to win, it’s going to turn into a more popular position.
And when she looks the Allahpundits and Krauthammers in the eyes and tells them to quit whining and moping and get with the program, a lot of them are going to get over themselves, too.
If I’m wrong – what more have we lost than we were already losing?
CK MacLeod on August 30, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Sorry, Noelie. Didn’t see you there.
wise_man on August 30, 2008 at 10:37 PM
IrishGirl17 on August 30, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Yeah, it was such a curveball. I was totally expecting him to bash her. Isn’t he relatively tight with the Clintons and Lanny Davis? Hmmmm
CanadianGuy on August 30, 2008 at 10:37 PM
He’s probably just thinking with his little Geraldo again.
Terrie on August 30, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Did you notice that McCain had his wallet out at the ice cream stand? I remember hearing how Billy Jeff never carried money and used to make everyone around him pay for stuff.
Doesn’t that make our guy someone that average people can relate to?
IrishGirl17 on August 30, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Sarah Palin has been successful in everything she has tried so far. I think that a track record of success over great odds is sufficient to negate the pessimism that Allahpundit has been expressing. She has brought enthusiasm to the Republican base and has so far shaken $7 million out of the trees in 2 days. What’s wrong with that?
scrubjay on August 30, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Sarah Palin has not hidden her record as contrasts with Obama who perpetually deceives his own.
maverick muse on August 30, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Apparently, some have set the bar for her mighty low. All these blogger and pundits who are stunned, appalled, nervous, or simply mad don’t put much faith in her. It will be their downfall.
SouthernGent on August 30, 2008 at 10:44 PM
OK, I will toss my anecdotal evidence in the pot. Women who are as Democrat as Democrat come, are now saying they are voitng for Gov Palin. Why, because she is a smart good looking role model. I also know some young Democrat women, they are likewise in for Palin. All were previously Obama supporters.
The women thing has overruled all common sense as I see it. Women want to rule the world. Just ask Michelle.
Carry on where you were.
tarpon on August 30, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Charles Krauthammer is just really really pissed he got left behind when everyone else went to Denver. Understandable, yet every single time they sat-linked to him during the convention there was an awkward tension in the air. Now it’s technologically commonplace to sat-link these days, but very difficult to get that awkward tension in-sync and on cue at the same time. This requires anger thrown into the mix. Charles is pissed.
Griz on August 30, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Exactly.
Obama launches his political career at the home of William Ayers. His response: “I was 8 years old at the time he set off bombs at the pentagon and the capitol building.”
Obama’s spiritual mentor and influence for his book is caught on video saying God Damned America and the US of KKK and the government lied about creating the AIDS virus to kill blacks … and Obama claims: “This is not the man I knew.”
For just two examples.
wise_man on August 30, 2008 at 10:49 PM
I think that you are probably aware that the Zogby poll is President John F. Kerry’s favorite poll.
MB4 on August 30, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Palin will do fine against Biden. Even if Biden spits out a few cogent sentences and does well, he can’t do enough to really help.
Blunders by the Hopey Gaffrican trump any slight boost Biden might provide.
innominatus on August 30, 2008 at 10:53 PM
I spent about 2 hours reading two PUMA sites today (I just can’t relate though) and they are 99% for Palin… I can’t tell who is more excited and fired up…them or us!
No matter what the MSM does I don’t think they can stop this train! I think she will do just fine in the next 66 days…
CCRWM on August 30, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Every poll is showing that Palin is more highly received then Biden. Also the $7,000,000 that flowed into the GOP’s coffers (which included a first time for any party donation from my daughter who sent in $1,500) cannot be just shrugged off.
The Republicans were waiting for an excuse to get out and work, and John McCain didn’t give them an excuse he gave them a cause.
The GOP contingent that was scheduled to walk in the Labor Day parade here has increased by 4 fold of people wanting to walk, or do anything they can for the party. You guys need to take a deep breath she has done something that no one else could she has motivated the base.
That same base that has defeated Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Al Gore, and John Kerry.
Jdripper on August 30, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Od’s fish, m’man it’s not like either of them challenged the poor lass to a duel.
BlakeneyP on August 30, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Of course she nuked his bounce. McCain stole the Obama’s base, the press, and it’s coverage from him for now.
As regards pessimism. The beautiful thing is that Palin is a leader – she inspires confidence. And I like it.
Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2008 at 11:11 PM
ALLAH, I was wondering how long it would take until you fall back to your old pessimistic self again…..
…did you confiscate the donation check before the mail carrier got to the mailbox?
…you couldn’t even hold out and donate before the public funds restriction deadline?
This is urgent business, Kemosabe..
You know what your problem is Allah?
….It’s paralysis by analysis.
Get with the program dude….
Even KP is tempted to vote for Palin… don’t you even think of writing in Hillary!!
Mcguyver on August 30, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Krauthammer is pissed he did not get his pick of President or Vice President. He can be an arrogant sort of person. When Maliki went into Basrah he immediately pronounced it a huge victory for Sadr.
He was wrong. It happens.
As for the Zogby poll, I don’t have a lot of faith in them, but it is the only poll out there that takes in the Palin pick. The Rasmussen and Gallup are not that recent, not even the tracking polls. We will just have to wait and see.
Terrye on August 30, 2008 at 11:20 PM
You got a link for that, cause that’s one I’d actually want to read.
wise_man on August 30, 2008 at 11:20 PM
But Allah, you want McCain to lose, don’t you?
mikeyboss on August 30, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Can someone please make a non-Kool-Aid-drinking case for Obama’s candidacy?
Omit that he has 94% or so of the black vote. Ignore the political climate of Bush hatred.
Just offer some details about his accomplishments in elected office (or anything after undergrad other than law school) and, as Charles Krauthammer pointed out Friday, name one colleague who vouches for his personal character and integrity.
Anyone? Anyone?
BuckeyeSam on August 30, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Seeing the Pundits “squeal like stuck pigs” has really brought me some internal happiness………..
Flipping channels and seeing “talking heads” sound just like Obama…………..
………… Schadenfreude!
Seven Percent Solution on August 30, 2008 at 11:30 PM
I think BHO stoped his own bounce with that sucko speech. It was one of the worse speechs I have heard in a long time. It was mean, negative, full of hate, it showed the nasty side of the dem party and banished the unicorns and rainbows for alot of people. Palin was if anything a Godsend to BHO because then He could blame her pick for the reason He got no bounce
.
unseen on August 30, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Did I miss something? Why are we talking about Krauthammer?
CCRWM on August 30, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Don’t know why so many are worried about some glitch that Sarah might cause. She’s going to do just fine. She’s just “people” and apparently that’s so far out of the phony pattern we’ve been taught to believe is the norm, that many are having trouble with it. I just hope she( and McCain)have the good sense to see that it’s her “realness” that makes her so likable, faults and all!!! Obama is not genuine, in fact, no one knows who he is. Hillary was genuine, but the real Hillary scared a lot of people.
jeanie on August 30, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Charles Krauthammer and Allahpundit have logically explained their reasons for thinking this was not a great pick. They may be right. Both are willing to be proven wrong if Gov. Palin turns out to be a great asset. What’s wrong with that? I happen to be a tad more optimistic than either of them, and it sounds like plenty of other Hot Air readers are enthusiastic about the VP pick. Krauthammer is a good guy with keen insight into politics and he’s right on a lot of things. This time I’m praying he’s wrong because Sen. Obama unleashed with a filibuster-proof Democratic Congress is too darn horrible to contemplate. I get the feeling that Gov. Palin is not going to turn into another Dan Quayle, but even if she did – we survived having a V.P. who was widely derided by both sides (somewhat unfairly). The top of the ticket is what really matters.
Jill1066 on August 30, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Was speaking metaphorically. Just sayin, from my observation of her, and my feelings about the nature of politics, that, unless there’s something that no McCain vetter discovered or unless she does or says something truly abysmal, you don’t stand in the way of a phenomenon like this one unless you like getting trampled.
CK MacLeod on August 30, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Palin has a moral foundation lacked by either BHO or O’Biden. She’s a terrific pick for VICE president. We’ll see if she can grow into the role of POTUS. It would be cool to have our own Maggy Thatcher.
Mojave Mark on August 30, 2008 at 11:48 PM
She is tempted...
She’s pissed that her woman candidate got torpedoed.
Mcguyver on August 30, 2008 at 11:52 PM
We are having “sour kraut“ and hammer head shark for dinner.
Mcguyver on August 30, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Palin is genuine, has genuine beliefs that she lives her life by. She will not slip up, she will not be humiliated, she is who she is and knows who she is and what she believes. She has not lived the pampered and powdered life of a U.S. senator trying to be all things to all people and turning themselves into a gumby doll with no core beliefs but a discardable, changeable, set of valus depending upon what their perception of the moment tells them will benefit them the most.
This is all the career politicians have! They have sold their soul so many times they don’t know where they should stand at any given moment. As a young man 0bama has not become polished at it yet so he is exposed as a flip flopper.
Change is coming in the form of a citizen, reformer, mother, fighter, independent, self made woman and that change is going to run over the politics as usual like a freight train would a tin can. McMaverick had the guts to name a real reformer and the inside the beltway polls and chattering heads can’t quite get their heads around it yet.
dhunter on August 31, 2008 at 12:01 AM
The thing is there was no ground well of support for anyone else, even among the pundits. I think that most of them either wanted Romney or Pawlenty. Romney because he was the approved successor or Pawlenty because he was safe. But there was no real enthusiasm there. It was not as if either pick would have promised or guaranteed a win.
Terrye on August 31, 2008 at 12:04 AM
This is Zogby, kids.
Del Dolemonte on August 31, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Del Dolemonte:
True, but it is the only poll out there taken after the Palin pick. So it is the only one to look at right now.
Terrye on August 31, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Having listened to enough Obamanauts, their case goes something like this;
–
Obama will balance the budget, raise taxes only on the wealthy and big business, dramatically increase social spending, and invent a new clean power source by a new “Manhatten Project”. He will take the courts on a hard left tack. He will have the most ethical administration ever. By reversing Bush’s foreign policy our allies, enemies, and those in between will all love us again.
–
Now, that this is a load of crap is pretty obvious.
Raising taxes now would probably push us into a recession, and if you think he won’t be taxing the middle class, well, Bill Clinton has a cigar to sell you.
Government has done a pretty poor job on the whole inventing new miracle fuels thing – even though the government has been shoveling money at it for what 30 years?
I can’t predict the future, but as a member of the Chicago political machine, with a collection of friends and advisors like Ayers and Rev Wright, I feel pretty confident his regime would be viewed as ethically …subpar… at best.
And sacrificing American interests for short term “goodwill” will work in the short term…but hurt dearly in the long term.
I guess the one area he will deliver on for the moonbats is a hard leftwing judiciary. Of course, for some reason when I ask them what they think of a President Obama appointing more Kelo-esque justices to the SC, the moonbats get a little uncomfortable.
18-1 on August 31, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Zogby Made his Bones by calling the Bush-Gore race as a 50-50 split the weeking before the election ( which was dead on ) while everyone else said Bush was five points ahead through that weekend.
he was right and everyone else was wrong: that can get you Real Famous, Real Fast
Since then he tends to be either Dead On or Way Off–so to be safe you should ignore him. But if you bet against him, you might just lose big
Janos Hunyadi on August 31, 2008 at 12:22 AM
If we lose with her, we were going to lose.
McCain made a gutsy call…..I hope we keep throwing deep down the middle of the field.
mylegsareswollen on August 31, 2008 at 12:23 AM
In Ed’s post on Obama’s lack of bounce he noted that 53% said they viewed Palin favorably. Only 33% could say the same thing about Biden. That could mean she has made a good impression on people.
Terrye on August 31, 2008 at 12:35 AM
A pebble delivered to the right spot can shatter a phenomenon.
BlakeneyP on August 31, 2008 at 12:37 AM
Palin uptick already? Yup.
Expect more. A lot more. She will make McCain look good.
T J Green on August 31, 2008 at 12:39 AM
This is the first time I have extremely excited to vote for a female. Not that there weren’t any that were qualified for political office in the past, but none that shared my political views.
This was a huge thunderstorm on Barry’s parade…..
Could this be the beginning that might lead to another November landslide victory for the GOP? I really hope so.
DRod on August 31, 2008 at 12:41 AM
The Democrats are right, Palin is completely inexperienced.
Yup. You heard me. The initial euphoria over the idea of having seeing a sexy librarian on the TV news each night for the next 4 to 8 years has worn off. Now, it back to hard, pragmatic reality.
Want proof? Consider the following:
- Any experienced politician know that upon assuming high office, you are supposed to demand a larger plane; not sell the useless behemoth that was recently purchased by your predecessor.
- Implementing comprehensive energy and conservation policy is supposed to be hard. At minimum, it should be outright avoided for at least 30 years. In the event of voter uprising, you should ban voting on the topic and go on vacation until after the election.
- You are only supposed to talk about government reform and exiling corrupt and entrench politicians, not actually do anything about it. If you actually create a smooth running government that has representatives of all parties (including independents, libertarians, etc.) it’s impossible to find someone to blame for stuff during the next election.
- Only a complete novice would think that maintaining and approval rating of 80-90% is a good thing. Approval ratings should be no higher than 9-14%.
- How are we supposed to save the planet or show our concern for creatures in places that no one actually goes if you actually go there? Seriously! I mean, if you actually tell people the truth (that polar bears population is only rivaled by roaches and rabbits) what will happen to special interest donations from environmental groups?
- The above also applies to ANWAR. No one is actually suppose to go there. It will ruin the carefully crafted image that has been developed by lobbyists that have never left CA. The proletariat… I mean people… know that ANWAR is a barren wasteland instead of the hidden location of Eden; what would happen to the poor environmental lobby? What? Do you expect them to start doing all the work that we currently use illegal immigrants for?
- No woman that any man would ever consider sleeping with is permitted to run for political office. It runs the risk of having pregnant politicians who will expose the complete farce of the NOW movement, thus resulting in another reduction in lobbyist donations. Sarah Palin is a perfect example of this concern. If she wants to run for office, she must immediately hit herself in the face with a brick and replace her entire wardrobe with ill fitting pants suits in pastel colors. She must also start giving herself a haircut by using a large bowl as a guide. If anyone still finds her attractive, she should inject her face with botox until her smile looks like Jack Nicholson’s Joker.
- In the 21st century, chief executives do not negotiate beneficial business deals with other countries. That time is to be used for negotiating with terrorists and photo ops with friendly world leaders that want to take advantage of us.
- When you are falsely accused of a scandal by political opposition, you should not cooperate. Experienced politicians know that you are supposed to refuse to cooperate so you can publicize the injustice of it all and get more air time. If the accusations have merit, then you must be sure to call it “tabloid trash” and get your donors to ship anyone involved off to Caribbean islands. This is another good reason not to sell your executive jet.
- Real politicians use teleprompters at all times so that they are not tempted to say anything against the most recent polling opinion.
- Most important of all- any experienced politician knows that you are supposed to spend your first 20 months in office campaigning for another office, not actually doing the job you were elected to.
Yup, she is completely inexperienced. That is why I am voting for her and McCain.
Damiano on August 31, 2008 at 12:42 AM
Allahpundit is wrong. I can prove this.
I was going to stay home on election day.
I am now casting my vote for McCain.
fossten on August 31, 2008 at 12:57 AM
At first I was just surprised, really surprised at the Palin pick. But after the shock wore off I started getting excited. What a great move Maverick! Awesome pick!
But now reality is starting to set in, and I’m beginning to think that this may have been a mistake– possibly a fatal mistake. All it’s going to take is one good slip-up and she’s over. The rest of her campaign narrative will revolve around that gaffe. Oh my God I’m starting to get freaked out. What has McCain done to us!!??
fed-nad on August 31, 2008 at 1:00 AM
lol! :)
jerrytbg on August 31, 2008 at 1:01 AM
A mistake would not sink Palin!
For Gods sake folks calm down 0bama the gaffemaster is the mistake spelled Operation Chaos!
Then he compounded that mistake by picking Biden!
dhunter on August 31, 2008 at 1:10 AM
I just loved it when she put the “ol boy” network on notice…and with a track record of having done it… WOW!
jerrytbg on August 31, 2008 at 1:23 AM
LMAO ROTF!!
That’s pure brilliance!
I would do something like it, but then I would have to do real work you see.
Mcguyver on August 31, 2008 at 1:31 AM
jerrytbg on August 31, 2008 at 1:01 AM
Mcguyver on August 31, 2008 at 1:31 AM
Thank you both *bows*
Please do not confuse genius, however, with boredom and disgust with the lefties.
I do wish that there were an appropriate forum to keep going with her lack of experience. There is a lot more mileage in this theme, I think.
Damiano on August 31, 2008 at 1:37 AM
Oh who? Oh
BarryUh/Biden 2008…?Anybody heard how they are doing today?
Mcguyver on August 31, 2008 at 1:37 AM
You are on to something dude!! That is pure genius!
Boredom and disgust is the breeding ground for great ideas.
The Ivy Leaguers have not come out with a workable novel idea for oh.. say almost two centuries… since brilliance ceased sometime after the initial Constitution was enacted.
…. so the harvest is ripe for a huge bonanza of brilliance from common sense folk.
Start a blog, leave me an email (click on my handle) when you get going.
Mcguyver on August 31, 2008 at 1:45 AM
Allah,
Real serious political discussions and pontifications of change are not for the faint of heart.
Buck up or get eaten alive.
Mcguyver on August 31, 2008 at 1:48 AM
‘xactly!
Damiano, best of the thread. Great work.
Schadenfreude on August 31, 2008 at 1:52 AM
If you go to a psychiatrist, you should be able to get the correct mix of legal drugs to get you through the debate.
slp on August 31, 2008 at 2:02 AM
How about a Hot Air drinking game during the debate?
Mark Jaquith on August 31, 2008 at 2:17 AM
Sighting the absurdity of the lib objections by being absurd in mocking them whenever you can is genius.
The woman is real and it drives them crazy…don’t stop….
I’m going to love the next two months.
jerrytbg on August 31, 2008 at 2:32 AM
My Palin video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quvBbcFDPI0
D0WNT0WN on August 31, 2008 at 2:37 AM
Well done!
Melchiz on August 31, 2008 at 3:50 AM
back by popular demand:
Further evidence of Palin’s political inexperience
- Only an amateur would attain political office by actually defeating opposing candidates. Conducting a campaign in this naive manner wastes donated funds that could be better used in having your seat embroidered to read “President”, holding rock concerts or constructing temples to honor your greatness. An experience politician would have simply remove opposing candidates by protesting ballots. In the unlikely event that this doesn’t work, you should petition to change party rules on how votes are counted in primary elections and hire groups like ACORN to register all 14 people with the same name and different birth dates. These voters are easy to find, since they usually all reside at the same abandoned and boarded up restaurant.
- An experienced politician knows that once you hold an actual job, you are no longer a prime candidate for office. The lower classes are best learned about from the safety of Harvard or by observing them in their native environment, such as Whole Foods. Community organizing is a prime method of learning about the lower classes, since you have the opportunity to observe long term poverty and have fundraisers contribute to building additional slums to study.
- If Palin has sufficient experience in government, she would have known that the job of Ethics Commissioner is SUPPOSED to be corrupt, thus saving her from the trouble of resigning in protest of it.
- Successfully holding Big Oil accountable and negotiating mutually productive agreements with them shows that she does not understand their true purpose. The resulting problem is two fold- If you work with them to the benefit of your State, who will you have left to hold up as a faceless villain to scare people?
- Creating jobs means people will be self reliant and may develop wealth of their own. This negatively impacts the Democratic voter pool. Plus, if people have jobs, they will be too busy to protest corporations and your opposing candidates.
- Palin created a budget surplus and mailed in back to people. Taxpayer money is made to be spent. If you haven’t spent it all, then you’ve missed something and need to create a new agency. The only time you should show a budget surplus is if you are ending your final term and borrow the extra money from China. Alternatively, you can cut spending for Constitutional responsibilities of the government, like defense budgets and expenditures like going after terrorists that blow up embassies and ships. Doesnt’ she know that the government is a non-profit entity? If it actually makes money, it’s doing something wrong.
Damiano on August 31, 2008 at 3:52 AM
None of this hand-wringing means a thing. Wait a week and all the dust will settle, we’ll get back to the monotonous plod to election day.
The ONLY polls that matter, if polls ever do matter, are the ones done the week or even the day before election day.
And I tell you what you have said yourselves; polls are very often inaccurate.
This is mostly because of people like me who do not give the pollsters our true answers. I resent being bothered by the SOB’s and then maneuvered with “styled” questions into choosing what they want to hear, then seeing the results manipulated to reflect whatever agenda paid for the poll.
Same goes with professional commentaters and analysts. So far this weekend I have been told I am very racist, very stupid, my vote is easily bought by a moderately attractive woman, scared of change, don’t know what’s good for me and I can’t reason for myself.
Tell ya what, guys. Y’all go on and sit in the middle of the floor, ball up your fists and clench every orifice real good, get some primal scream going and let ‘er rip. Have a real good, full-blown hissy fit.
When that blows your ass into a new reality where Reagan or Washington or whoever the hell you really wanted to come back from the dead and take the VP slot, then mybe you can relax.
Back here on Earth Prime, I’m still changing my vote from “None of the above” to “McCain/Palin”.
So how about we worry about the Hurricane instead of trying to change something that is already set?
Texan on August 31, 2008 at 3:56 AM
Palin should challenge Biden to an additional, townhall-style debate. In fact, she and McCain could issue the same challenge.
At any rate, one bit of advice I’d give Palin in the debate is to use the phrase “my administration” early and often. It’s powerful.
Mr. Wednesday Night on August 31, 2008 at 4:24 AM
The Obama offensive has been blunted and stopped like the Wehrmacht being stopped by the Red Army and the Russian winter with the spires of the Kremlin in the distance. Let the grueling, but inevitable rollback commence.
This woman INSPIRES! I just sent McCain $2,300 and I’m thinking of turning down a great job opportunity to volunteer for two months.
Heck, I’ll babysit Trig for free.
Sapwolf on August 31, 2008 at 4:26 AM
The white women aspect … G Ferraro hit upon a point I thought accurate. The married/unmarried split here. The unmarried hippy chicks, living at home, mom and or dad paying room and board, plenty of down time to attend anarchist rallies love Obammer.
Those who actually work, pay bills, raise children .. seem to have a natural affinity toward a woman leader regardless of party.
And SHE hasn’t even begun to fight.
Benjamin9 on August 31, 2008 at 5:09 AM
Yeah baby, but truth is timeless.
Benjamin9 on August 31, 2008 at 5:12 AM
Polls, Schmolls.
How many respondants were in this poll? Oh yeah, here it is:
Likely. As in “may vote”. Not even registered voters (which fall under category of “likelier than likely voters”). Given that there will be 100,000,000 voters participate (give/take), think about the pecentage of 2,020 of that number.
Besides, it says nationwide. What about states? Individual state numbers are kind of important in a race that is won or lost by states.
anuts on August 31, 2008 at 6:49 AM
Yeah, I’ll buy that. heh…maybe we can all chip in and split it up…
JetBoy on August 31, 2008 at 7:02 AM
McCain/Palin ‘08 FTW.
I had a little doubt there the Mav would fall back, but after seeing Barry O slight his change for a bit of more of the same, I was pretty confident the ol’ Johnny Mac would pull one out of left field. And he picked a gun-totin, child-bearin, administration-runnin guv’nuh. God if only this was an alternate universe, where she wasn’t married and I wasn’t… I kid. But seriosuly, this hard ass Alaskan lady (my uncle lives there, and if my aunt is any indication…) knows how to wait for the kill. Let the lefties underestimate her, like quadripeds following the easy path… while she sits in her hide, controlling her breath, waiting for the perfect shot. I wonder if Biden knows he’s a moose, ready for the kill shot.
I was already a McCain kool-aid drinker, Palin just goddamn ices the cake. My wife is fervently anti-abortion (as am I but for other reasons), we’re both gun-nuts (me prior service, her from former soviet republic) and if we can get all the neccesary paperwork done and fees filed, count 2 in for McCain/Palin.
flashoverride on August 31, 2008 at 8:03 AM
I share Allahpundit’s hesitation on relying on ZI’s polling. That’s why I did a bunch of digging to see if it was supported elsewhere. Not only did I find supporting anecdotal evidence, I found gobs of it, which I posted about here.
There’s tons of fresh new support for the McCain ticket that I found apart from ZI’s poll. Follow the above link & read all about it.
LFRGary on August 31, 2008 at 8:05 AM
Here’s the way I see it, AP: At the beginning of the race, everybody assumed that whatever Democrat ran would be elected because of the economy, war, whatever. When it got down to Obama vs. McCain, it did not change. Then, the polls started getting close. McCain has been fighting an uphill battle, and appears to be getting there.
Palin is a Hail Mary pass. Like all Hail Mary passes, if it succeeds, you’re a hero. If it fails, it was a desperate move but perhaps the only move left to you.
McCain was never expected to win. If he manages to pull it off, I wonder what history will say was the reason. Here are some possibilities:
1. Racism
2. Obama’s inexperience
3. Palin
4. McCain’s tenacity
5. Biden’s idiocy
6. ???
Kafir on August 31, 2008 at 8:08 AM
I don’t know how it is there in the ‘States, but here in Australia, they generally put rusted-on party support at around 30%, for either main party.
All these polls are saying 29% say it would hurt, thats the rusted on segment, if the same fact holds true over there, so you can pretty much ignore that number, and just look at the other numbers, which are encouraging.
Anyone else got thoughts on that?
cyclosarin on August 31, 2008 at 9:16 AM
I panicked when McCain won the nomination. I’m feeling much better now though. Palin is successful because she is conservative and no one’s victim. As long as she sticks to her conservative principals and doesn’t go “wobbly” on us, she’ll be just fine. It’s easy for her to have a battle of ideas with Biden, he’s a dud.
devil dog on August 31, 2008 at 9:27 AM
Rasmussen has Obama’s lead narrowing from the convention bounce: The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday—the day before the Republican National Convention is scheduled to begin—shows Barack Obama ahead of John McCain by three percentage points both with and without leaners. That’s exactly the same edge Obama enjoyed a week ago on the eve of the Democratic National Convention.Today’s numbers show a one-point improvement for McCain, but Obama still leads 47% to 44%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 49%, McCain 46%
And Rasmussen shows good numbers on Palin: Palin herself made a good first impression and is now viewed favorably by 53% of voters nationwide. Her counterpart, Joe Biden, is viewed favorably by 48%.
D0WNT0WN on August 31, 2008 at 9:39 AM
The questions usually go “Are you registered to vote” ” did you vote in the last presidential election” and “how likely are you to vote in this presidential election”
This is not about illegal ect. This is about people’s actions as they state them at the minute. At this minute these over 2000 are saying they either will vote or probably vote in the next election. Anyone else doesn’t finish the study.
Noelie on August 31, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Damiano, thank you for your efforts – I saved both your comments. Well done,
Entelechy on August 31, 2008 at 1:04 PM
Damiano this is brilliance…..on August 31, 2008 and at 3:52 AM!!?
Seriously, you need to write a book, or maybe even better, an online part book/part journal and get your own blog hits with ads and get mentions from major broadcasters for your stroke of genius.
This is a major stroke of inspiration, highlighting truth laced in humor, thereby making it so much more palatable and impressionable on the mind.
Like I said last night, the Ivy leaguers, generally speaking, haven’t come up with anything novel since the birth of our country, instead they have sought to ruin it with so many boneheaded socialist ideas wrapped in compassion.
Now a stroke of brilliance like yours is needed to reverse all the horse shit ideas/teachings that permeated our culture (and the world at large)……for a proof of this, take note that even Sean Hannity believes that in extreme cases the government should step in and help people.
I couldn’t disagree more with Hannity.
A very simple novel idea here…. give citizens excellent tax credit/incentives for helping their own relatives and friends in need medically and for practicing a healthy life, which would eliminate the need for Medicare.
I for one will give you a $100.00 for your first published signed/autographed hardcover book.
How’s that for an incentive, Damiano?
All we have to do here is provide for and encourage self-empowerment in all situations and we will have solved all the challenges we face and stay true to our country’s founding principles.
Real simple stuff here.
Mcguyver on August 31, 2008 at 3:27 PM
That is, by far, the best bit of subtle sarcasm in answer to the Donks I have seen in quite some time. I had to copy and email that to myself so I could save it before the thread scrolls down. Would it be OK with you if I were to email it to others?
BillH on August 31, 2008 at 9:45 PM
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