The Man Trap

posted at 12:15 pm on August 30, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Kirsten Powers has watched the hysterical shrieking coming from her own Democratic Party in the wake of Sarah Palin’s selection as John McCain’s running mate, and has newfound respect for the Republican candidate.  In one move, Powers argues, McCain has ripped the mask of inclusion from the Democratic Party and exposed an ugly attitude towards women in power.  They’ve also managed to underscore every argument McCain has made about Barack Obama’s readiness for high office at the same time:

Is she a gamble? Definitely. But so is Barack Obama, who has himself dismissed experience as a prerequisite for leadership, despite his spot atop the Democratic ticket.

At this point, Palin is so unknown, there’s no way to make a clear judgment about her. But listening to Obama supporters take to the airwaves to shriek with indignation about her lack of experience is just a little too rich. Where were they when Obama, two years into the Senate, announced his candidacy for president?

One Obama supporter and political operative blogged, “In picking an unknown, untested half-a-term governor from Alaska . . . John McCain is following in a long line of reckless men who have rolled the dice for a beauty queen.” …

I can’t help wondering if this is a trap. The McCain camp watched and learned as Obama supporters offended Hillary supporters by their treatment of her. The McCainiacs had to know that this group is incapable of behaving, that Palin would bring out their worst instincts.

This trap has two doors, as Powers notes, and the Obama campaign and its supporters fell through both of them.  First, it didn’t take long to speak dismissively of Palin as a “beauty queen” and a “small-town” hick, even though she governs the state of Alaska and has a favorability rating in the 80s.  No one actually came out and called her “Sweetie”, but to women who resented the Obama campaign’s real and imagined sexist slights against Hillary Clinton, it was deja vu all over again.

The bigger trap, though, was the knee-jerk attack on Palin’s experience.  Calling her a “small-town mayor” only underscored Obama’s own woeful lack of experience.  Two years as Governor trumps a year as Senator before running for the presidency, and having been an executive in Wasila trumps having been a “community organizer” in Chicago’s South Side.  Further, Palin has a record of attacking her own party’s machine to effect real reform in Alaska, where Obama never lifted a finger to support reform of the Chicago political machine while in Illinois, and had one of its fixers, Tony Rezko, raising money for him most of his career.

Geraldine Ferraro didn’t dismiss Palin’s experience.  She called Palin a risky choice, but the risk is in her lack of national-politics exposure, not from supposedly being unqualified, which Ferraro rejects.  Clinton adviser Howard Wolfson says that Palin will resonate with disaffected women in the Demoratic Party, especially the more moderate voters, who see Obama and his clique as chauvinist — and will more now, after their “beauty queen” reaction.

Did McCain set Obama up to fall into this trap?  If so, then perhaps that more than anything demonstrates how poor a candidate Obama is and how much more masterful McCain can be.  Would you rather have the man who set the trap dealing with our enemies abroad, or the man who fell into it?


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I was gonna run…the Mik;Al;Moor’s of the world have me deciding to stay and help my Church with the recovery.

You are a brave man, Sven. I was FL when Andrew hit. What a clusterf***k that was.

ManlyRash on August 30, 2008 at 1:02 PM

and Palin’s husband is a STEELWORKER!

Lets see… have the chance to kinda vote for one of us? or listen to the Suits in charge of the union… hmmmm….

Romeo13 on August 30, 2008 at 1:00 PM

oh the fantasy is better than that….

a real man loves a tough woman who can shoot with him, clean his fish, balance a budget, make a baby, and look as hot as she does….

Palin is literally the hard working middle class man of the 21st century’s dreamgirl….

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Marcus on August 30, 2008 at 12:33 PM

Now where have you heard that? I’d like you to please provide links for your assertions. If you can’t you should modify your assertions as they could be misconstrued as a threat against the life of one of the candidates.

elduende on August 30, 2008 at 1:04 PM

The American Thinker has an excellent article that begins w/ this question…”Man, is this guy a fighter pilot, or what?”

Marsh on August 30, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Bill Whittle gave one of the best analyses/discussions of Air Force Pilot John Boyd’s OODA (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act) Loop.

(Via Blackfive)

Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Finally, Ms. Lip Gloss A-Plenty, Kirsten Powers and I agree: this is too rich. Especially when they say that Palin is “a “small-town” hick”. Apparently, being a sleazy hick from Arkansas was ok for the sexists of the left. All too predictable.
‘What’s it all about alphie? Is it just for yourself that you live? What’s it all about, when you snort it out, alphie?’
Anyone remember the rest?
I love fruit bats…but not the rabid ones. ;-)

Christine on August 30, 2008 at 1:04 PM

The point being that Hillary feminists are never going to switch over to McCain or vote for Palin. Dont get your hopes up for that.

William Amos on August 30, 2008 at 12:33 PM

William, are you from the RDU area? If so, I feel for you, man…my son lives in Durham, graduated from UNCCH, and every time we go there (we live on the coast, near Morehead City), I see enough freak-show, nutcase, lefty liberal bumper stickers, it’s all I can do to suppress the urge to start rammin’ BMWS with my big ol’ gas guzzling F150.
Tree-huggers…BAH!

uncivilized on August 30, 2008 at 1:04 PM

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 1:00 PM

Great posts. I totally agree w/ your assessment. McCain is in Obama’s head. Thanks for the link.

Marsh on August 30, 2008 at 1:05 PM

Alphie is the poster child, and I do mean child, of the left. He/she/it is immature, dishonest, vain, effite and wrong!

Vince on August 30, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Ladies and Gents,

The folks at HotAir, I’m sure, appreciate the traffic.
But I do not think they appreciate Feeding the Trolls.

You all know whom we are talking about.

Kini on August 30, 2008 at 1:06 PM

That she is a woman and mother is a great plus. However, If you check the posts and news over tha last six months or more, she is one who did not have the negatives associated with all the other republican contenders. You know, wrong religion; not conservative enough; divorces; cheating; too conservative, etc. By the end, she seemed to be a more acceptable candidate to the whole party.

If I hear one more marxist democrat complain about the smallness of her town or Alaska, I will pay for their remedial education. Alaska, though slightly smaller than Delaware, has exactly the same number of senators (2), congressman (1), and electors (3). Should this disqualify Joe Beiden? Athough Joe has been on the Foreign Relations committes disrupting our diplomatic efforts for years, Palin has been doing everyday diplomacy with Canada and Russia, Alaska’s only two adjoining neighbors. The ol’ country gire just switched from D to I and as a Hillary supporter is now a Sarah supporter. The, not a Hillary suporter, now (Ithink from her comments) supports Palin.

I can guarantee you that as even a short term governor of an oil state, palin knows more about energy production and transport than any of the other candidates or the leaders of Congress.

Old Country Boy on August 30, 2008 at 1:07 PM

You are a brave man, Sven. I was FL when Andrew hit. What a clusterf***k that was.

ManlyRash on August 30, 2008 at 1:02 PM

Not brave motivated.

I took the 300 bucks I was gonna spend in fuel to go back to my home of record in Ohio and gave it to our candidate.

The left bugchasing potnetial dead enraged me.

Look people we can and will rebound Barry is an empty suit filled up with adulation from a fawning left.

The way we win this over the next ten-twenty years is to be more polite, more active, and more moral than our “betters”.

Show the undecided who is who…..which is more impressive a guy who spends 55% of each speech comparing himself to dead democrats or men and women who will help you pick up your yard from God’s fury.

Take back the community, live good public lives, and show them that we are betters arbiters and generators of charity and change than 535 clowns in DC.

Keep your chins up and your heads down,
sven

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 1:07 PM

Finally, Ms. Lip Gloss A-Plenty, Kirsten Powers and I agree: this is too rich. Especially when they say that Palin is “a “small-town” hick”. Apparently, being a sleazy hick from Arkansas was ok for the sexists of the left. All too predictable.
‘What’s it all about alphie? Is it just for yourself that you live? What’s it all about, when you snort it out, alphie?’
Anyone remember the rest?
I love fruit bats…but not the rabid ones. ;-)

Christine on August 30, 2008 at 1:04 PM

The Dems are, after all, a study in double standards…babydaddy Edwards is shunned from the DNCC because he had an affair and lied about it. Billy Jeff Clinton has many, many affairs – while in office, and I mean that quite literally – and he’s afforded mega-rock-star status at that same DNCC.

uncivilized on August 30, 2008 at 1:07 PM

and having been an executive in Wasila trumps having been a “community organizer” in Chicago’s South Side.

A commenter asked this on another thread – What the heck is a “community organizer”? The title is thrown around a lot these days, but it seems that no one, myself included, knows what this job actually is. It doesn’t sound like anything of substance, and it doesn’t even sound like anything real.

Does anyone know what the actual responsibilities are of a “community organizer”? I have not a clue. Has B Hussein ever described his average day as a “community organizer”?

progressoverpeace on August 30, 2008 at 1:10 PM

ManlyRash on August 30, 2008 at 1:02 PM

I was in Homestead for Andrew…

elduende on August 30, 2008 at 1:13 PM

A little cold water…

I have been reading a lot of people claiming that Obama is toast now and the election is won. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here.

In 2004, the mass media worked their butts off to steal the election with the TANG documents. In 2006, the Left pulled the October surprise with the wide-stance GOP Congressman… led to the Democrats winning big and smearing the GOP as a whole. I fully expect more dirty tricks like this that can easily swing a close election. And I believe this election will remain close to the end, what with the Obama campaign getting all the help possible from the mass media.

60+ days is a long, long time in a political campaign and a LOT can happen, especially a lot that we don’t expect. The Obama campaign and the mass media has plenty left up its sleeve. Afterall, let’s remember Obama’s past campaign history in Illinois. He won with a lot of dirty tricks being pulled on his behalf. Not to mention voter corruption. And lest we forget, he has the corrupt Chicago political machine on his side.

This election is far from over. So I hope everyone is ready for this to be close to the very end and for our side to have to deal with many more smears and lies and half truths coming from the opposition.

Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 1:13 PM

progressoverpeace on August 30, 2008 at 1:10 PM

it has marxist origins.

elduende on August 30, 2008 at 1:14 PM

Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 1:13 PM

Wise words. Victory disease.

Limerick on August 30, 2008 at 1:15 PM

This election is far from over. So I hope everyone is ready for this to be close to the very end and for our side to have to deal with many more smears and lies and half truths coming from the opposition.

Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 1:13 PM

they keep touting 15% as a magic margin….

that tells me they have illegals, cadavers, and felons lined up to vote as never before because there is no way in hell that 80% of democrats, 93% of blacks and x% of Hispanics equals a 15% margin.

sven

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 1:15 PM

As a community organizer Obama basically motivated African-Americans to get involved in politics, mainly through working with church groups. Of course, we know what kind of politics he was promoting.

Disturb the Universe on August 30, 2008 at 1:16 PM

No sven,

This election is about whether America will keep billing its children(through federal debt) for the massive welfare payments it’s making to Alaska and the South, or is Obama gonna come in and balance the Budget like Clinton did.

Guess we’ll find out soon.

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 1:16 PM

elduende on August 30, 2008 at 1:14 PM

No doubt. I’m just surprised that everyone seems to be accepting being a “community organizer” as a real job. I can’t recall ever seeing a job posting for a “community organizer”. Is it just the low-class version of Julie from the Love Boat (the Social Director)? It sounds more like a bag man, as the other commenter had opined.

progressoverpeace on August 30, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Bummer….gotta get ready for work….those fuel trucks have to get to your hometown somehow (so we can pay our windfall profits tax).

Palin will surprise the Dems and MSM. I have a feeling that hometown America might have a Maggie on the horizon.

Later!

Limerick on August 30, 2008 at 1:20 PM

No sven,

This election is about whether America will keep billing its children(through federal debt) for the massive welfare payments it’s making to Alaska and the South, or is Obama gonna come in and balance the Budget like Clinton did.

Guess we’ll find out soon.

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Ralphie….I suggest you go to http://www.constitution.gov and look into who controls the purse.

You are advocating a split party leadership in DC leading to contrarian gridlock on spending and entitlement growth?

“dimished social spending”????

Got ya.

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 1:21 PM

This election is about whether America will keep billing its children(through federal debt) for the massive welfare payments it’s making to Alaska and the South, or is Obama gonna come in and balance the Budget like Clinton did.

Which of the two candidates advocates more government spending, alphie? Which of the candidates has never requested an earmark and which started pointing them at friends and fixers right after being elected?

Slublog on August 30, 2008 at 1:21 PM

In her article, Powers says that Dem voters are confident that they’ll have a veto-proof Dem majority in the Senate on the abortion issue. Is she right, or is she blowing smoke?

smagar on August 30, 2008 at 1:22 PM

As a community organizer Obama basically motivated African-Americans to get involved in politics, mainly through working with church groups. Of course, we know what kind of politics he was promoting.

Disturb the Universe on August 30, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Who was paying him? Is this the ACORN stuff – the community organizing?

progressoverpeace on August 30, 2008 at 1:22 PM

60+ days is a long, long time in a political campaign and a LOT can happen, especially a lot that we don’t expect. The Obama campaign and the mass media has plenty left up its sleeve. Afterall, let’s remember Obama’s past campaign history in Illinois. He won with a lot of dirty tricks being pulled on his behalf. Not to mention voter corruption. And lest we forget, he has the corrupt Chicago political machine on his side.

This election is far from over. So I hope everyone is ready for this to be close to the very end and for our side to have to deal with many more smears and lies and half truths coming from the opposition.

Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 1:13 PM

Most definitely…and Biden hasn’t managed to stay in office as long as he has because he’s had some lucky breaks. It’s gonna get ugly. But…the choice of Sarah Palin is going to make the Dems have to dig deeeeeep for whatever dirt they dish out.

uncivilized on August 30, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Not to mention having Rezko’s (supposedly broke) wife buy (at full price) the lot adjoining the house the Obamas wanted, so that the Obamas ended up getting the house for $300,000 less than the asking price. Obama’s explanation, according to an article in the WSJ: “gee, I don’t really understand a whole lot about buying houses.”

Does anybody else have a hard time believing that a Harvard-educated lawyer can’t figure out the intricacies of the home-buying process? A basic real estate transaction is beyond Obama’s comprehension, but we shouldn’t feel the least bit uncomfortable putting this man in charge of the entire U.S. economy?

Either Obama’s an idiot, or he’s a corrupt liar. Either way, he doesn’t belong in the White House.

AZCoyote on August 30, 2008 at 12:45 PM

I read this in Fund’s article in today’s WSJ. I’ve read about this before on Malkan’s blog. WaPo reported a fair number of the facts in a story some time ago, but the media just gave Obama a pass after he made his dismissive “bonehead” comment. That’s horsesh*t. The media should be in overdrive looking at this purchase in all different directions. Here are two unreported problems.

First, you cannot tell me that Obama’s seller knocked $300K off the asking price in a seller’s market merely because he was a swell guy. Either Rezko or his mob connections gave the seller “an offer he couldn’t refuse” OR that $300K found its way to the seller–outside of the settlement proceeds and, hence, outside of the Form 1009-B reporting. My guess is that the $300K reduction brought the reported selling price ($1.35M) to a point where the taxable gain ($1.35M less basis of $850K) approximated the seller’s available gain exclusion ($500K). The seller then got his other $300K from the murky source and saved $45K of capital-gains tax. Don’t laugh. People incur a surprising amount of risk just to stick it to the IRS.

Second, soon after the home purchase, Obama bought one-sixth of the vacant lot from Rezko’s wife. He paid $104,500 for it even though it was appraised at $40,500. Although Obama paid her the pro rated amount that she paid for the property, he overpaid the appraised value. And that $64K overpayment is a taxable gift that should be reported on a federal gift tax return. Has Obama filed that return? If not, why not? And when he files that return, the question becomes why did he make a $64K gift to the wife of a guy who recently was convicted of various federal crimes?

One other smelly thing about the transaction that I’d never heard is that Rezko’s wife got a loan for the purchase of the vacant lot ($625K, I think) when she had virtually no assets and a $50K annual salary. Go figure.

Vet all that, media.

BuckeyeSam on August 30, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Would you rather have Sarah Palin as President or Sen Biden?

tarpon on August 30, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Nah, rock.

I think Britney Palin will begin to grate on America’s nerves rather soon….she’s a bigger loon than Huckabee

Very instructive, your idea of a “loon”.

Do you even take yourself very seriously?

Noelie on August 30, 2008 at 1:24 PM

progressoverpeace on August 30, 2008 at 1:20 PM

I think bagman is a very apt analogy…especially since he comes from Chicago and was an integral part of the corrupt machine there and a “community organizer” sounds like the on the street muscle that brings the masses to the polls.

elduende on August 30, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Just asking for a fair shake, slu…the South and Alaska have been receiving federal welfare for so long….they’re starting to think they earned it.

When do us Blue staters get to sit around and collect gummint checks for growing nothin or proving shoddy “support” to the military pork trough?

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 1:25 PM

W

ould you rather have Sarah Palin as President or Sen Biden?

tarpon on August 30, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Interesting question to ask people that don’t even want to see him as a Vice President.

Noelie on August 30, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Just asking for a fair shake, slu…the South and Alaska have been receiving federal welfare for so long….they’re starting to think they earned it.

When do us Blue staters get to sit around and collect gummint checks for growing nothin or proving shoddy “support” to the military pork trough?

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Your kidding, right?

Noelie on August 30, 2008 at 1:26 PM

Just asking for a fair shake, slu…the South and Alaska have been receiving federal welfare for so long….they’re starting to think they earned it.

When do us Blue staters get to sit around and collect gummint checks for growing nothin or proving shoddy “support” to the military pork trough?

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 1:25 PM

run on that anti-military meme for me m’kay

public approval of the military is quintiple pelosi’s and triple Bush’s…..

bash the force for the winz…..

epic phail

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Ladies and Gents,

The folks at HotAir, I’m sure, appreciate the traffic.
But I do not think they appreciate Feeding the Trolls.

You all know whom we are talking about.

Kini on August 30, 2008 at 1:06 PM

But my dog didn’t finsh all of her breakfast and I don’t want it to go to waste.

:-)

Old Hippie Vet on August 30, 2008 at 1:28 PM

First, you cannot tell me that Obama’s seller knocked $300K off the asking price in a seller’s market merely because he was a swell guy. Either Rezko or his mob connections gave the seller “an offer he couldn’t refuse” OR that $300K found its way to the seller–outside of the settlement proceeds and, hence, outside of the Form 1009-B reporting. My guess is that the $300K reduction brought the reported selling price ($1.35M) to a point where the taxable gain ($1.35M less basis of $850K) approximated the seller’s available gain exclusion ($500K). The seller then got his other $300K from the murky source and saved $45K of capital-gains tax. Don’t laugh. People incur a surprising amount of risk just to stick it to the IRS.

Ouch…that made my head hurt.

Second, soon after the home purchase, Obama bought one-sixth of the vacant lot from Rezko’s wife. He paid $104,500 for it even though it was appraised at $40,500. Although Obama paid her the pro rated amount that she paid for the property, he overpaid the appraised value. And that $64K overpayment is a taxable gift that should be reported on a federal gift tax return. Has Obama filed that return? If not, why not? And when he files that return, the question becomes why did he make a $64K gift to the wife of a guy who recently was convicted of various federal crimes?

Oh, I dunno…maybe he was just trying to make friends with his new neighbors???
You know – kinda like bringing over a casserole, or offering to car pool?

uncivilized on August 30, 2008 at 1:29 PM

Alphie is the poster child, and I do mean child, of the left. He/she/it is immature, dishonest, vain, effite and wrong! – Vince on August 30, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Of course, she does have a dark side as well.

ManlyRash on August 30, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Your kidding, right?

Noelie on August 30, 2008 at 1:26 PM

No…that would be kidding left.

Old Hippie Vet on August 30, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Here’s a question. Much is discussed about Palin’s draw for Hillary women. What about Hillary’s blue-collar men, who, for whatever reason, wouldn’t vote for Obama?

BuckeyeSam on August 30, 2008 at 12:49 PM

Right on the money, Buckeye. The non-ideological blue collar workers and their families (formerly known as Reagan Democrats) are the votes in play. For them, Palin’s a great choice and a natural complement to McCain strengths.

petefrt on August 30, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Acorn = community organizer. You can organize crime, you can organize a community and Acorn does both!

Vince on August 30, 2008 at 1:31 PM

When do us Blue staters get to sit around and collect gummint checks for growing nothin or proving shoddy “support” to the military pork trough? – alphie on August 30, 2008 at 1:25 PM

You guys have been doing that for 40 years. Wake up, you dopey fruit bat.

ManlyRash on August 30, 2008 at 1:32 PM

sven,

It’s no surprise that the people making a buck off U.S. military pork support it.

It’s just human nature…

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Which of the two candidates advocates more government spending, alphie? Which of the candidates has never requested an earmark and which started pointing them at friends and fixers right after being elected?

Slublog on August 30, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Slublog – As annoying as alphie is, I think s/he brings up interesting things to think about. The problem with American politics is the ignorance of the American public on issues and the success of the mass media and the Left to get their lies and half-truths to resonate with the American public.

In 2006, the Democrats and the mass media were brilliant and smearing the GOP for all the nation’s problems. Still today, even after 20 months of Democrats in power, I still hear friends, coworkers and family members express their disgust with Republicans for ‘ruining the country/economy’.

And when it comes to the war effort, they still blame things on President Bush and give the GOP absolutely no credit for the success of the war (most of them don’t even acknowledge the war was a success, and, if they do, simply say ‘well, we shouldn’t have gone there to begin with… was a complete waste’… and there’s nothing I can say that will convince them otherwise). I don’t hear much from them blaming the Democrats for their utter pathetic behavior with regards to their calling the troops terrorists and Nazis and smearing General Petraeus. Everything with regards to the war effort is blamed on President Bush and the GOP. Just yesterday I had a coworker ridicule President Bush over the GI BIll legislation, saying that he didn’t want to give benefits to the troops, so he blamed the entire GOP for that, including McCain.

My point is that this isn’t simply about what is and what isn’t. This is about what the American public believes. ‘Bush Lied!’ isn’t true, but the majority of the public believes it. Republicans are for the rich and Democrats for the little man isn’t true, but the majority of the country seems to believe that meme. Global warming isn’t true, but the majority of the country has fallen for that.

So that is why I am not as confident and optimistic as everyone else here, because elections are not just about facts and logic, they are about trying to work through all the lies and mistruths and misperceptions the voters have and trying to get people to vote based on facts and logic, instead of lies and half-truths.

Alphie may be annoying, but unfortunately, I hear a lot of what s/he states from my friends, coworkers and family. And I know they are not alone. As I said, take into account the majority of the country believes in things such as global warming and Bush Lied! and such. It doesn’t matter how many facts and logic you provide them, they still believe it. That is what we have to deal with in this campaign.

As I said, this is far, far from over and I certainly hope everyone is prepared for the long haul.

Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM

In her article, Powers says that Dem voters are confident that they’ll have a veto-proof Dem majority in the Senate on the abortion issue. Is she right, or is she blowing smoke? – smagar on August 30, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Good question. Given the shift in electoral winds that has been occurring over the past few months (thanks to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid) I’m inclined to think that Democrat gains in the Congress will not be as overwhelming as the pundits thought a year ago.

ManlyRash on August 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 1:33 PM

you mean just like the parasitic blacks in the northern inner cities live off the dole without contributing anything to the nation?

elduende on August 30, 2008 at 1:35 PM

Just asking for a fair shake, slu…the South and Alaska have been receiving federal welfare for so long….they’re starting to think they earned it.
When do us Blue staters get to sit around and collect gummint checks for growing nothin or proving shoddy “support” to the military pork trough?
alphie on August 30, 2008 at 1:25 PM

You know who agrees with you?

John McCain. I have many areas of disagreement with the Maverick, but I do like his anti-pork ways. He’s a true believer.

Slublog on August 30, 2008 at 1:37 PM

It’s gonna get ugly. But…the choice of Sarah Palin is going to make the Dems have to dig deeeeeep for whatever dirt they dish out.

uncivilized on August 30, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Oh, I definitely agree with that. The key is to see if the American public falls for the Democrat attacks or wises up and puts their faith in Palin. After all the nonsense that the American public has believed over the course of the last 8 years (global warming, Bush Lied!, the war is a failure, etc), I’m not completely convinced yet that the American public will not once again fall for the Democrats’ lies. We’ll see…

Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 1:37 PM

It’s just human nature…alphie on August 30, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Human nature…a fact of existence that Marxists and socialists still cannot grasp as they continue to labor under the delusion that human nature is not immutable.

ManlyRash on August 30, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Completely agree. I can’t help but think of Han Solo in Star Wars – “Great job, but don’t get cocky.” Palin helps McCain, but in no way guarantees a win.

Slublog on August 30, 2008 at 1:38 PM

The key is to see if the American public falls for the Democrat attacks or wises up and puts their faith in Palin. After all the nonsense that the American public has believed over the course of the last 8 years (global warming, Bush Lied!, the war is a failure, etc), I’m not completely convinced yet that the American public will not once again fall for the Democrats’ lies. We’ll see…Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Good point, Mike. However, this is the age of YouTube, the Internet, the blogs, FOX News and talk radio. While not completely leveled, the playing field of the average American’s attention has been evened out somewhat since the days when the Drive-By media dominated all of the news coverage.

ManlyRash on August 30, 2008 at 1:40 PM

It is a big risk to pick someone that he doesn’t know fairly well and who hasn’t had a lot of experience dealing with the searing spotlight of the national media. Like Bobby Jindal, she would have been a great pick for the V.P. or potentially the Presidential slot after finishing two terms as governor. Alaska still needs her or someone like her to clean up that mess. With all that said, she is the pick, she seems very impressive, and I’d rather gamble on Sen. McCain’s good health than Sen. Obama’s leftwing thinking.

Jill1066 on August 30, 2008 at 1:42 PM

When do us Blue staters get to sit around and collect gummint checks for growing nothin or proving shoddy “support” to the military pork trough?

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Heywaitaminute…I live in the South…did I miss something? I’ve worked for the Dept. of Defense for almost 30 years – did I miss the line for collecting “gummint checks for growing nothin’ or providing shoddy support to the military pork trough”?
Alphie – and I understand that you’re kind of slow, so I’ll put this in easily understood language of two syllable words or less –
I work on military aircraft. I’m a proud voter. I plan to vote for McCain. As to the gummint pork trough – I’ll leave that to you in the blue states. I wouldn’t want to cut in line in front of you.

uncivilized on August 30, 2008 at 1:42 PM

I was in Homestead for Andrew…elduende on August 30, 2008 at 1:13 PM

Sucked, didn’t it? My church was in Kendall. Completely flattened.

ManlyRash on August 30, 2008 at 1:42 PM

[ernesto on August 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM]

I’m not sure why you are comparing those. And why isn’t it worthy of accomplishment?

One can’t gerrymander a state, though Alaska is majority Republican, no doubt. Favorability is based on getting things done that the people want done across a spectrum of localities, ethnicities, party affiliations, etc. Favorability is usually high on inauguration but Palin is 20 months into her job. I’d say it means something and moreso than a gerrymandered congressional district of some concentrated locality.

Does anyone know what the breakdown of party affiliation is in Alaska; I can’t get into Alaska’s division of elections.

Dusty on August 30, 2008 at 1:43 PM

sven,

It’s no surprise that the people making a buck off U.S. military pork support it.

It’s just human nature…

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Jealous, baby?

Noelie on August 30, 2008 at 1:43 PM

As I said, this is far, far from over and I certainly hope everyone is prepared for the long haul.

Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Read my post on “10-20 years” and Good Neighbors….

we have a lot of work to do….this week shows good first steps and I hope they work…but yeah we have work to do.

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Very well put, Ed.

TheSitRep on August 30, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Completely agree. I can’t help but think of Han Solo in Star Wars – “Great job, but don’t get cocky.” Palin helps McCain, but in no way guarantees a win.

Slublog on August 30, 2008 at 1:38 PM

heheh, exactly. And that’s a great line from that series too.

I guess I think back to my engineering training and design training where we are told to make our designs ‘idiot-proof’ for the assembly line. We have to make sure that there is no possible way that the person on the assembly line can misinterpret how to assemble our part. When I first started designing things and had one of my parts questioned and was told to fix it to make it less ambiguous, I was told “if there’s a way it could be put on wrong, they’ll find it. Don’t assume anything.”

I’m applying that philosophy to this campaign and politics in general. If there’s a way for the Democrats to fool the American people and get a lie or mistruth or October surprise to work, they’ll find it. So we can’t just sit here and assume PUMAs will vote this way or Hillary voters will vote this way or whatever. We should simply keep going strong and keep hitting the other side and then be prepared when they unleash their lies and mistruths and the inevitable October surprise.

Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Oh, I definitely agree with that. The key is to see if the American public falls for the Democrat attacks or wises up and puts their faith in Palin. After all the nonsense that the American public has believed over the course of the last 8 years (global warming, Bush Lied!, the war is a failure, etc), I’m not completely convinced yet that the American public will not once again fall for the Democrats’ lies. We’ll see…

Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 1:37 PM

I hear you there. Maybe, though, whatever lies they come up with this time will be so patently obvious that – as my husband puts it – “the b/s flag” will go up right away.

uncivilized on August 30, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Sarah is the one I’ve been waiting for.

BitterClinger on August 30, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Sarah is the one I’ve been waiting for. – BitterClinger on August 30, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Me too. I ♥ SARAH’CUDA

ManlyRash on August 30, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Good point, Mike. However, this is the age of YouTube, the Internet, the blogs, FOX News and talk radio. While not completely leveled, the playing field of the average American’s attention has been evened out somewhat since the days when the Drive-By media dominated all of the news coverage.

ManlyRash on August 30, 2008 at 1:40 PM

I hope you’re correct in that, but I still wonder. Weren’t we in the YouTube age in 2006 as well, leading up to the Mid-Terms? Maybe you’re right and many, many more people have started to get their news from YouTube and the internet since 2006. I know many of the younger generation certainly do. But is the majority of the voting public as a whole? The popularity of the McCain ads I guess would point to that being a possibility, especially with the mass media picking up on them and giving them free advertising.

I’m going to take a wait and see approach and see how the Palin VP pick changes the tone of my more left-leaning friends/coworkers/family members. Up until now though, none of the bad background info I have given them on Obama has even made a dent. They have simply dismissed it as GOP smears and stood by Obama. But we’ll see. I have 60+ days to work on them…

Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Its a mistake to try and push her a hillary’s replacement.

Sarah is a conservative who happens to be a woman rather than a woman who happens to be a conservative. Dont send out the wrong message.

William Amos on August 30, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Excellent excellent point and reminder, William. Thank you for that comment.

Weight of Glory on August 30, 2008 at 1:52 PM

alphie:

75% of the American public has a positive opinion of the military.

I know you do not mean half of what you say. I think you are mentally ill and have a strong and perverse need to antagonize people and make people dislike you and say nasty things to you. There is simply no other explanation for some of the really stupid and offensive things you say. Such as attacking all the people in the south and Alaska. That was just silly.

Maybe you should seek help. I am sure that there are medications that can help. Do you cut yourself? Make yourself puke or do any other self hating kinds of behavior?

Terrye on August 30, 2008 at 1:54 PM

For all the speculation about the potential for Mav/Palin to pick up some of Clinton’s women voters the other big group of Hillary supporters that will flock to Mav/Palin are the white, blue-collar, union voters that were, and are, wary of Obama. This group, aka Reagan Democrats, have far more in common with Palin and even McCain than they do Obama. How much of Hillary’s 18 million were hard core feminists and how many were this latter group? There’s been no discussion of them. I used to live in PA and the part of the state between Philly and Pitt is often referred to as Alabama. The people that live out there in coal and steel country hunt, fish, ride snowmobiles, and all the stuff Palin and her husband enjoy. This group will vote GOP this year. Obama can keep the women, he can’t win now.

DerKrieger on August 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM

Michael in MI

Very good and well presented post! We need more of these.

With the current marxist control of the MSM, lies, spin, and propaganda do trump facts.

Also, I apologize for the screwed up ending of my previous post. I hit post instead of preview. Needless to say, in contravention of the all knowing pundits of the left on this thread, both of the ladies, girls, women, whatever, in question associated with my household went from Hillary to Sarah Paulin. I supposed, according to you, they are the only ones in the country to do so. Do you have any idea what life is like living with Hillarites? I’m in Heaven!

Old Country Boy on August 30, 2008 at 2:05 PM

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 1:07 PM

where, exactly, are you?

funky chicken on August 30, 2008 at 2:07 PM

the other big group of Hillary supporters that will flock to Mav/Palin are the white, blue-collar, union voters that were, and are, wary of Obama. This group, aka Reagan Democrats, have far more in common with Palin and even McCain than they do Obama. How much of Hillary’s 18 million were hard core feminists and how many were this latter group?

yep. The Palins are them…and McCain’s a retired military guy (yeah, snagged the beautiful rich beer distributer wife…like blue collar folks don’t think that’s kinda cool).

funky chicken on August 30, 2008 at 2:10 PM

We’ve got another matchup that’s being overlooked. Next time Obambi tries one of basketball photo ops we can send in Sarah Barracuda to steal it and drive for the layup on the other end.

RW_theoriginal on August 30, 2008 at 2:11 PM

where, exactly, are you?

funky chicken on August 30, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Scenic Fort Polk….

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 2:12 PM

<blockquoteDoes anyone know what the actual responsibilities are of a “community organizer”? I have not a clue. Has B Hussein ever described his average day as a “community organizer”?

progressoverpeace on August 30, 2008 at 1:10 PM

If memory serves, “Bagman for the Chicago Machine.”

Linh_My on August 30, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Haha, Terrye,

Some Americans may “like” the military, but, given the chance, they’d prefer not to fund the pork.

Just like the “Christian” right who cry endlessly over abortions but would never, ever dream of paying more in taxes to support all the unwanted children they want to bring into this world.

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Some Americans may “like” the military, but, given the chance, they’d prefer not to fund the pork.

Just like the “Christian” right who cry endlessly over abortions but would never, ever dream of paying more in taxes to support all the unwanted children they want to bring into this world.

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Ralphie….what sort of party backs the “right” of people to produce “unwanted children” on a massive level anyway?

You want to screw around and be promiscus be responsible…

Abortion as a form of reset button is absolutely loathsome…waiting until the baby is viable if the abortion is botched is a sin…..

putting the “unwanted child” on a platter near a dustbin to let it bleed out is quite simply murder.

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Just like the “Christian” right who cry endlessly over abortions but would never, ever dream of paying more in taxes to support all the unwanted children they want to bring into this world.

We’d rather give willingly, thanks.

Slublog on August 30, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Some fetal diseases only show up late in pregnancies, sven.

Blame gawd for late term abortions, not the poor mothers.

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 2:26 PM

I’m no fan of Ms Powers whom I feel is too willing to use the “talking points” approach when she’s asked about any issue. That said, I agreed strongly with how she described the response that the choice provoked from the Dems. I say, Dems keep up the bad mouthing because you’re helping the GOP ticket immensely.

As to this critical question:

“In her article, Powers says that Dem voters are confident that they’ll have a veto-proof Dem majority in the Senate on the abortion issue. Is she right, or is she blowing smoke? – smagar on August 30, 2008 at 1:22 PM”

I agree that the do nothing Congressional approval rating says much but I still fear that brainwashed lemmings will misunderstand what the price of “hope and change” rhetoric really is, a huge disincentive to what has made this the country great. No more will it be the land of opportunity but it will become the welfare counry in which the people who used to drive productivity and fuel economic boom no longer are willing to pay for the people who refuse to work. All we need for proof is to look at the countries that have gone that way.

McCain/Palin in ’08 because I’m tired of America haters.

SayWhat on August 30, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Some
fetal diseases only show up late in pregnancies, sven.

Blame gawd for late term abortions, not the poor mothers.

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 2:26 PM

fify….my point still stands….

so like Barry you support dustbin babies?

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Governor Palin will appeal to middle Americans who didn’t get to attend Ivy League schools, who don’t use profanity in every sentence, who devote their lives to their kids, and who live life humbly in the smaller cities and towns.

How many of these can there be in America?

jeff_from_mpls on August 30, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Blame gawd for late term abortions, not the poor mothers.

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Whatever. People with tremendous character take whatever God sends them. People without character try to find a loophole.

No doubt, alph, there are a lot more of the latter than the former.

But those with tremendous character make America great, and are the ones who deserve to lead.

People like Governor Sarah Palin.

jeff_from_mpls on August 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Maybe gawd could start writing the welfare checks Alaska and the Confederacy live off, jeff?

The rest of us Americans are tired of paying for ‘em.

Y’all should keep the phony “independent” stance, though.

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Can we have an alert posted at the top of comments sections which alphie has polluted?

Trolls=Traffic=$, I get it.
But this sociopath is boring at best, vile as a matter of course.
Plus I don’t want to read comments only to find the Vile One’s sig appended.
Prefer just to step over or around the puke.

Something like a Wet Floor cone at a store. Please?

Stephen M on August 30, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Getting 600,000 people to think favorably of you isn’t exactly a pat on the back worthy accomplishment…what is that 1 congressional district? maybe 2?

ernesto on August 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM

ernesto,

If, or when, you can get 600,000 people to think favorably of you get back to us. Then, and only then, will your observation have any substantive objectivity.

Yoop on August 30, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Maybe gawd could start writing the welfare checks Alaska and the Confederacy live off, jeff?

The rest of us Americans are tired of paying for ‘em.

Y’all should keep the phony “independent” stance, though.

alphie on August 30, 2008 at 2:38 PM

ah yes that vaunted leftard “compassion” on display Moby….

keep firing

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Alphie may be annoying, but unfortunately, I hear a lot of what s/he states from my friends, coworkers and family. And I know they are not alone. As I said, take into account the majority of the country believes in things such as global warming and Bush Lied! and such. It doesn’t matter how many facts and logic you provide them, they still believe it. That is what we have to deal with in this campaign.

As I said, this is far, far from over and I certainly hope everyone is prepared for the long haul.

This thought is permeating a lot of threads and it hits a note with me. Just my opinion here but I believe the willingness to believe the bunk put out by liberals has more to do with a narcissistic need to receive the promised largesse. Just look at countries that have gone this way and you see the future of this once great nation.

It’s an uphill battle but it’s worth it to try to defeat this insidious disease of liberal lies.

SayWhat on August 30, 2008 at 2:47 PM

It’s an uphill battle but it’s worth it to try to defeat this insidious disease of liberal lies.

SayWhat on August 30, 2008 at 2:47 PM

somwhere along the way the “mainstream” of the DNC voice became the DailyKos time to take the nation back.

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 2:51 PM

A community organizer is someone who usually works with disenfranchised and low income people to find resources to alleviate their poverty. They are a “connector” to a world of resources, both agencies and people. It is a satisfying job but low on the totem pole except probably in Chicago. It can be advertised or hired by connections. It is low paying usually except probably in Chicago. I know, I was one.

AReadyRepub on August 30, 2008 at 2:52 PM

What McCain has done by adding Palin to the ticket is give his campaign a message…. REFORM. And I think that will be what carries this ticket straight to victory!

Marsh on August 30, 2008 at 12:40 PM

And so do I. McCain Palin–The Reformers.

Action speaks louder than talk talk talk.

NellE on August 30, 2008 at 2:59 PM

A community organizer is someone who usually works with disenfranchised and low income people to find resources to alleviate their poverty. They are a “connector” to a world of resources, both agencies and people. It is a satisfying job but low on the totem pole except probably in Chicago. It can be advertised or hired by connections. It is low paying usually except probably in Chicago. I know, I was one.

AReadyRepub on August 30, 2008 at 2:52 PM

so in the donk version a “professional sh*t stirrer”?

How well did Barry do about those slums?

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 3:00 PM

First, it didn’t take long to speak dismissively of Palin as a “beauty queen” and a “small-town” hick, even though she governs the state of Alaska and has a favorability rating in the 80s.

who should address this, and give a speech about it at the convention?
.

Chakra Hammer on August 30, 2008 at 3:00 PM

so in the donk version a “professional sh*t stirrer”?

How well did Barry do about those slums?

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Slumlord Obama

Chakra Hammer on August 30, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Slumlord Obama

Chakra Hammer on August 30, 2008 at 3:01 PM

quite…

in Chicago I think they equate “community organizing” as being as worthy as military I mean “militant” experience.

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Not only was this a trap as expressed but I think the McCain campaign had an eye on what was THE hot button issue when congress adjourned – energy.

Having Palin on the ticket makes Obama and Biden talk about experience. In trying to diminish Mrs. Palin they emphasize over and over Obama’s lack of experience at the same time. Saying that she’s only a breath away from the Presidency allows the McCain camp to say “yeah, but she’s not nominated to be President; you are.”

Mrs. Palin is also governor of the state in the crucible vis-a-vis drilling. None of other three in this race know as much as Mrs. Palin

NTropy on August 30, 2008 at 3:43 PM

As an Alaskan resident I voted for Palin in the Governers race. When I heard she was the VP pick I have to admit I was worried that when the debates came around she might find herself in over her head. My wife and I got talking about this and she reminded me that she has gone up against seasoned politicians before. She won the governers race against a long time Alaskan establishment Frank Murkowski. Mind you Frank Murkowski is not someone to disregard as a small Alaskan nobody, he served in the Senate and benefited Alaska for many decades. Sarah Palin handled herself with poise and intelligence when she went up against him in the debates, and frankly she wiped the floor with him. She did so well that she took the parties nomination. She then faced a former Dem Governer whom was popular and won the election to become our governer. Now she governs with an 80% approval rating. Alaskans are well aware that she is more than a pretty face and is an extremely intelligient woman who is more than capable of facing anything thrown her way. So I hope Obama/Bidon do the same thing I almost did, to under estimate her abilities and not be prepared for what I now expect to be a very good debate.

lwssdd on August 30, 2008 at 4:10 PM

“Oink, oink, oink, oink…”

“That must be a fine pig farm we’re passing by!”

“Oh no! That’s the Democratic Party headquarters… Drive on…”

“Oink, oink, oink, oink…”

newton on August 30, 2008 at 4:25 PM

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