Obama speech bounce: nil

posted at 11:15 am on August 30, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Rasmussen’s daily tracking poll today shows the same four-point lead Barack Obama held yesterday over John McCain.  This poll, the first to show reaction from Obama’s speech, indicates that Obama didn’t get any more bounce out of his Invesco Field appearance than he received from the Democratic convention as a whole:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday is the first to include reaction to both Barack Obama’s acceptance speech and John McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin to be his running mate. The numbers are little changed since yesterday and show Barack Obama attracting 47% of the vote nationwide while John McCain earns 43%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 49% and McCain 45%.

In other words, except for the fundraising activities associated with it, the Obama speech was essentially a bust.  Obama had stumbled into the convention trailing McCain among likely voters and losing momentum all summer long.  His team badly fumbled the announcement of Joe Biden as his running mate, and he needed a significant bounce coming out of Denver to put space between him and McCain.  Instead, so far Obama has not yet escaped the margin of error — and McCain has his own convention coming this week to steal oxygen from his campaign.

I warned yesterday that the speech was nothing more than the stump speech he gives to the faithful and would find little resonance outside of his own supporters.  The Rasmussen poll bears this out.

Sarah Palin has already received a better reception than Joe Biden from voters.  Biden initially only received a 39% favorability rating when announced a week ago, and still hasn’t climbed above 50%.  In contrast, Palin has a 53% favorability on Day One:

Sarah Palin made a good first impression. She was unknown nationally before being introduced as the GOP Vice-Presidential pick but is now viewed favorably by 53% of voters nationwide. Her counterpart, Joe Biden, is viewed favorably by 48%. While Palin has made a good first impression, the more significant numbers will come a week from now after the nation has a chance to learn more about her.

In the coming days, we’ll see more of Palin’s impact.  Given the media deluge on Palin yesterday and the way Obama’s speech disappeared from the commentariat in the wake of her selection, Obama has probably seen all the mileage he will from it.


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I think his main bounce came from Billary’s endorsements. We’ve seen the speech a million times before.

lodge on August 30, 2008 at 11:18 AM

Obama/Biden: A Bridge to Nowhere

Loxodonta on August 30, 2008 at 11:19 AM

Barack was not speaking to America Barack was peaking to Barack’s followers. If more than half of America is “not the target audience” how can he get a huge bounce….?

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 11:19 AM

Hmmm…guess this means it’s time to whip out the…

EPIC FAIL!

MB007 on August 30, 2008 at 11:19 AM

& on to a landslide!! Go Jonny Mac, Go Sarah!!

lobosan5 on August 30, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Obama/Biden: A Bridge to Nowhere

Loxodonta on August 30, 2008 at 11:19 AM

+350,000,000

MB007 on August 30, 2008 at 11:21 AM

Look for Sarah Palin’s speech on Wednesday night to be the most viewed and seminal speech of both conventions. Including Barry’s.
I know it sounds crazy, but I have a hunch that this woman is gold-to both parties.
Hunch is based upon two things; the adoration that many on the right have for her already, and the vile hatred, and attacks that she has already endured from the far left.

carbon_footprint on August 30, 2008 at 11:21 AM

And who stopped The Bridge to Nowhere?

Governor Sarah Palin.

Loxodonta on August 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM

BO’s campaign: nail meet coffin

jbh45 on August 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM

As I posted yesterday:
Obama’s Speech: “OB AM A! OB AM A! OB AM A!”
Palin’s Speech: “U S A! U S A! U S A!”

carbon_footprint on August 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Even the Obama-crats I know who listened to the speech thought it sucked. Oh, they didn’t say it in so many words, but like this: “it was okay.” And if you know any Obama-crats personally, you know that if they’re not using superlatives for one of their savior’s sermons, then it sucked.

baldilocks on August 30, 2008 at 11:25 AM

I think the debates will finish Obama off.

Gen. Eisenhower vs. Adlai Stevenson’s younger brother, and Neville Chamberlain’s American cousin vs. Alaska’s Margaret Thatcher

It’s going to be fun.

RBMN on August 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM

The RNC convention will wipe out what’s left of the Obama lead. From there, it will be all down hill for Obama and his bed partners. Obama-Biden have nothing of substance, their only method of operation will be to lash out with vicious attacks. Mean while, McCain-Palin will be full of substance on national defense, energy, & economy.

Just watch as Obama and his minions take the painful slow ride down the sewer pipe of hatred and resentment. They will not be capable of hiding these dominant characteristics of the Liberal soul.

Keemo on August 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM

apparently Obama thinks its wise to suggest McCain will die in office, and Palin is a reckless pick without the ability to lead the nation once McCain dies.

to which there are easy first reubuttals GOP talking heads need to reply with.

jp on August 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM

To paraphrase George Carlin – they should build a bridge across the Bering Strait and charge Obama, Biden and the rest of the Dem’s a buck per head to go home!

J.J. Sefton on August 30, 2008 at 11:29 AM

As I posted yesterday:
Obama’s Speech: “OB AM A! OB AM A! OB AM A!”
Palin’s Speech: “U S A! U S A! U S A!”

carbon_footprint on August 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM

I didn’t see your post yesterday, but I was listening to Palin live on Rush in the office and that “U S A!” sure sent Chrissie thrills through me. I’d love to see it continue at the convention as the only “chanting” heard, every speaker.

Marcus on August 30, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Ed, I have yet to read an electoral analysis of McC’s VP pick. Since both sides have their traditional regions essentially locked in, the real issue is what does Palin bring with regard to swing states and 270?

That’s where the genius lies: family rearing, gun totin’, Bible thumping, small city, mid-West states where BHO did poorly against Hill. My guess is we’ll be able to see how the strategy plays out simply by observing in which states the candidates campaign.

As an aside, nat’l pols are useless. Calif, Texas, New York & FL all offset each other, regardless of particular percentages. The keys are the specific break points within battleground states.

kuhio on August 30, 2008 at 11:30 AM

We republicans are pumped for McCain and Palin. Great ticket.

jencab on August 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Obama/Biden: A Bridge to Nowhere

Did Bide vote for that…

I would use all that money just donated to run an ad pitting Obama/Biden vs McCain/Palin on the bridge to nowhere. That would set the tone for the rest of the campaign. Team McCain needs to start mocking Obama’s and Biden’s positions and qualifications. Don’t attack, mock. Learn from uncle saul.

ninjapirate on August 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM

To paraphrase George Carlin – they should build a bridge across the Bering Strait and charge Obama, Biden and the rest of the Dem’s a buck per head to go home!

J.J. Sefton on August 30, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Beer +1

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Given the media deluge on Palin yesterday and the way Obama’s speech disappeared from the commentariat in the wake of her selection, Obama has probably seen all the mileage he will from it.

This was such brilliant politicking on McCain’s part. I don’t know why I’m so surprised, it’s not like he hasn’t been at the job for a while now. But to be able to completely douse the glow of the stadium extravaganza like a caribou p!ssing on a campfire – so confidently and beautifully played.

Quisp on August 30, 2008 at 11:32 AM

I love Palin and was thrilled by the pick, but now I’m furious because every report I’ve heard about her, including on supposedly balanced fox news radio, completely ignores her achievements and biography and just says “radical pick of an unknown, inexperienced governor” or something like that. I’m very worried that, thanks to our darling MSM, people won’t even know about how she fought and defeated the establishment, how she chose life, etc, etc.

AdrianG on August 30, 2008 at 11:32 AM

I saw the forehead and Carville last night on CNN and they are in full Lewinsky mode. I half expected them to say something like if you take a dollar and tie it to your dogsled … By their reaction alone, you know McCain is onto something.

Fuquay Steve on August 30, 2008 at 11:32 AM

He didn’t say anything. That is the point. It was a bunch of words that all sounded pretty, until you tried to figure out if he has something REAL to say.

Noelie on August 30, 2008 at 11:33 AM

That’s where the genius lies: family rearing, gun totin’, Bible thumping, small city, mid-West states where BHO did poorly against Hill. My guess is we’ll be able to see how the strategy plays out simply by observing in which states the candidates campaign.

Babies, Guns and Jesus – an unstoppable combination.

Sweet. Lethal. SARAH’CUDA.

ManlyRash on August 30, 2008 at 11:33 AM

But to be able to completely douse the glow of the stadium extravaganza like a caribou p!ssing on a campfire – so confidently and beautifully played.

Quisp on August 30, 2008 at 11:32 AM

Alaskan analogies…..sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

Patrick S on August 30, 2008 at 11:33 AM

Obama’s Speech: “OB AM A! OB AM A! OB AM A!”
Palin’s Speech: “U S A! U S A! U S A!

Seems that the Mccain People could use this effectively by juxtaposing crowds chanting Obama Obama putting one person first vs USA USA crowds putting the country first.

jamc1316 on August 30, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Heh, the best part is watching the Baracky campaign carefully tiptoe around Palin. Their official response to her consisted yet again of saying that McCain=Bush and picking Palin didn’t really indicate “change”.

This tactic will of course get them nowhere, so the gloves will come off soon and someone in their campaign, probably Biden, will mess up and call Palin “honey” or “darlin” or something.

Bishop on August 30, 2008 at 11:37 AM

There is a striking parallel evolving beteween Obama’s Primary campaign and now the general election. The more people get to know and hear Obama, the less they like him. Hillary was making a huge comeback near the end of the Democratic primary and then it was cut short by the DNC.

That will not happen this time. People are starting to “see the light” on Obama and they are not liking what they see.

You can not disregard the fact that the polls (flawed as they may be at times) are pointing for McCain. This is illustrated by the total lack of a major bounce for Obama during the Convention and his acceptance speech on Thursday.

Nelsa on August 30, 2008 at 11:38 AM

I love Palin and was thrilled by the pick, but now I’m furious because every report I’ve heard about her, including on supposedly balanced fox news radio, completely ignores her achievements and biography and just says “radical pick of an unknown, inexperienced governor” or something like that. I’m very worried that, thanks to our darling MSM, people won’t even know about how she fought and defeated the establishment, how she chose life, etc, etc.

Don’t let it get to you. This was to be expected from the Drive-By media which, for the most part, is in the tank for Obama. In fact, expect it to worsen as their desperation increases. Any perceived negative will be amplified a hundred-fold and repeated a thousand-fold; any perceived positive will be stifled and muted as much as possible. I would despair if this were the year 1988. But it’s 20 years later and we are in the age of the Internet, the blogosphere and talk-radio. They have her back.

Besides, Sarah’cuda is no shrinking violet. She can take care of herself.

ManlyRash on August 30, 2008 at 11:38 AM

jamc1316 on August 30, 2008 at 11:34 AM

If they get the guy who dreamed up “remote control” on it, the ad will be devastating.

Bishop on August 30, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Obama’s speech…. S O S… just less filling….

CynicalOptimist on August 30, 2008 at 11:39 AM

I just heard that Obama released a new ad saying that the Palin choice means “no change”. I’m going through an exercise in futility in trying to figure out exactly what Obama defines “change” as. Palin is a HUGE change in the government as a whole in practically every regard. She’s anti-govt corruption, anti-big spending, for morality, for family, pro-country. The only thing I can come up with is that Obama’s “change” is just the opposite of those. His record does show that pretty well too. I always gave libs the benefit of the doubt, I mean who would want to be against freedom, family, country, but I guess they really are pro corruption (Obama and his associates and deals, saying whatever gets you elected instead of standing by your convictions), big spending (raising taxes, adding tons of heavy govt programs), anti-US (His pastor, his and his wife’s various speeches and Freudian slips), anti-family (having children is a burden). It’s quite scary that’s the “change” they can believe in. Makes you wonder if there’s something in the water.

Tuari on August 30, 2008 at 11:41 AM

Obama’s Speech: “OB AM A! OB AM A! OB AM A!”
Palin’s Speech: “U S A! U S A! U S A!

Seems that the Mccain People could use this effectively by juxtaposing crowds chanting Obama Obama putting one person first vs USA USA crowds putting the country first.

jamc1316 on August 30, 2008 at 11:34 AM

I know, many comments yesterday echoed just that.
I hope some of his campaign actually read HA.
Allah/Ed: any ideas on how to get ideas to the campaign??

carbon_footprint on August 30, 2008 at 11:41 AM

I warned yesterday that the speech was nothing more than the stump speech he gives to the faithful and would find little resonance outside of his own supporters. The Rasmussen poll bears this out.

I just did a couple of word searches.

Ronald Reagan, in his 1980 acceptance speech, mentioned Jimmy Carter 7 times, and mainly in the first half of the speech.

Barack Obama mentioned John McCain 21 times on Thursday, and they were spread consistently throughout. Obama mentioned Bush 8 times. Not much of an outreach, there.

Tuning Spork on August 30, 2008 at 11:41 AM

LMAO! Barry and Joe arrive via bus in Pennsylvania. Joe sticks his head out the window and yells, “I’m Joe Biden and I’m from Scranton!”

No Joe, your the Senator from Delaware. Or did you forget?

Got to hand it to McCain, he’s dumped a grenade in Obama’s lap and so far all they’ve done is fumble it.

GarandFan on August 30, 2008 at 11:41 AM

Could it be that people are finally starting to pay attention and listen to the real Osama Obama?

If so, his defeat will make McGovern’s look like a landslide victory.

MrScribbler on August 30, 2008 at 11:42 AM

And the beautiful thing about the O BA MA! versus U S A! advertisement is that they would not have to add anything to it. Just show the two crowds juxtaposed. Would be super-effective.

carbon_footprint on August 30, 2008 at 11:43 AM

[Long Time Lurker, First Time Poster]

I also wondered why we don’t stick to one polling company, when McCain was up on Gallup we heard how it was over for Obama, now that Gallup has McCain down by 8 BEFORE Obama’s speech, we go back to citing Rasmussen. I don’t get it. Don’t you understand that by cherrypicking poll results its impossible to see how bad or good your candidate is actually doing. Don’t be assured by this lack of a bounce, there is still work that needs doing.

FinderofTruths on August 30, 2008 at 11:43 AM

See people are making a mistake here about how this will affect Hillary voters.

Many are saying that those supporters who arent PUMAs will vote McCain. No they are the ones in that poll that will accuse McCain of only picking Palin as a “Stunt”.

While McCain will get the most vocal PUMAs to go with him he isnt going to get the KPs and other Hillary backers. They wont go for Sarah Palin’s conservatism.

But the one thing they can do is not boost McCain’s numbers but deflate Obama’s. The more Obama attacks Palin the more these voters will get disgusted and rather than vote McCain they will sit out the election.

McCain will get some democratic women wiht Palin but the real benefit is when Obama chases all the other Hillary supporters into sitting home on Nov 4th.

William Amos on August 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM

GarandFan on August 30, 2008 at 11:41 AM

Yep, they are really pushing the Scranton, PA meme. Smells like desperation.

carbon_footprint on August 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM

No Balls.

No Bounce.

seejanemom on August 30, 2008 at 11:45 AM

I just pray, with every fiber of my being, that Baracky keeps going after Palin’s supposed lack of experience.

Please please please please please please PLEASE let them be dumb enough to do that.

Bishop on August 30, 2008 at 11:45 AM

Here is a hope: liberal women put the “women” ahead of the “liberal”.

carbon_footprint on August 30, 2008 at 11:45 AM

Probably the last ‘good’ poll we will see for the next ten days. Not because of the Barry bounce, or the Rep convention, but because of Gustav. The media will play up every fallen tree from Galveston to Mobile.

Limerick on August 30, 2008 at 11:47 AM

McCain will get some democratic women wiht Palin but the real benefit is when Obama chases all the other Hillary supporters into sitting home on Nov 4th.

William Amos on August 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM

I take it you have never seen a woman scorned. Rarely do they just pack up and go home. Quite frequently they do the most damaging thing they can think of to the scorner.

Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2008 at 11:49 AM

He went way too negative and was way too pedestrian in a venue that was begging for more hope and change talk. But oh well Oprah and captain nimrod Kanye “Bush doesn’t care about black people” West claimed the 30 minute speech “CHANGED THEIR LIVES”. So what do I know.

Cardiganfox on August 30, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Barack was not speaking to America Barack was peaking to Barack’s followers. If more than half of America is “not the target audience” how can he get a huge bounce….?
sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 11:19 AM

It does strike a thinking person that Barack was trying to reassure the leftist nuts that he was still here for them. The ones who applauded him when he blew his nose.

He’s counting on the sympathetic press to sell him to middle America. What’s that? Now the press is scrambling, trying to find their talking points on Sarah Palin? Wasn’t it just yesterday that we were talking about [harp music, angels singing and heavenly sunbeam] The Messiah [/harp music, angels singing and heavenly sunbeam] and Joe…uhm…Joe…Who’s that guy again?

MoCoM on August 30, 2008 at 11:50 AM

As I posted yesterday:
Obama’s Speech: “OB AM A! OB AM A! OB AM A!”
Palin’s Speech: “U S A! U S A! U S A!”

carbon_footprint on August 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Carb,

Some things are so important you have to say them several times. This is one of those times.

BobMbx on August 30, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Probably the last ‘good’ poll we will see for the next ten days. Not because of the Barry bounce, or the Rep convention, but because of Gustav. The media will play up every fallen tree from Galveston to Mobile.

Limerick on August 30, 2008 at 11:47 AM

I have a theory on this….

McCain could pull a real coup if he VTC’d to the convention and he and Sarah pitched in on volunteering and coordinating with Jindal for clean-up.

Bobby is a nationally intriguing leader and spoken of as a potential face for the national party. McCain could in fact use the media’s impending blitz on Gustav(and I’m in the forecasted eyepath)to get good PR and show a grassroots connection of the kind “Mr. Community Organizer” claims but has not done since he put the hemmorhoid of ACORN on the American political process’s butt.

just a thought

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 11:53 AM

He has played last hat trick.

Only so many people will buy his hollow “Hope & Change” message.

Unless he actually shows that he does walk on water , I think it’s nothing but down hill for this fool.

In fact, the more people learn about him the less they like him. That is why his camp is with holding info.

TheSitRep on August 30, 2008 at 11:54 AM

Probably the last ‘good’ poll we will see for the next ten days. Not because of the Barry bounce, or the Rep convention, but because of Gustav. The media will play up every fallen tree from Galveston to Mobile.

Limerick on August 30, 2008 at 11:47 AM

We’ve got this covered. The pre-disaster response is in full swing. FEMA is already on record having contacted the local Gulf leaders offering assistance, setting up comm systems, and obtaining disaster declarations pre-event.

It now is completely in hands of the Governors of LA, MS, and TX to manage the impact of Gustav. The only thing missing is footage of Bush and McCain carrying elderly residents from their homes into the waiting evacuation bus. May Jindal can provide some of that, eh?

BobMbx on August 30, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Hillary is fuming right about now because she has been punked by an AUTHENTIC FEMINIST.

AU-THEN-TIC FEM-IN-IST: (n.) An educated, self actualized woman who grabs the brass ring without standing on her dirtbag husband’s shoulders to reach it.

seejanemom on August 30, 2008 at 11:57 AM

As I posted yesterday:
Obama’s Speech: “OB AM A! OB AM A! OB AM A!”
Palin’s Speech: “U S A! U S A! U S A!”

carbon_footprint on August 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Carb,

Some things are so important you have to say them several times. This is one of those times.

BobMbx on August 30, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Thank you Bob. I don’t want to appear to be pushing the idea just because it was mine. I really want to help the cause; no matter how small a part it is. I appreciate it.

carbon_footprint on August 30, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Of course he got no bounce. That hollywood production was as lame as is most of hollywoods endeavors.

Exciting effects with no content never sells well. Besides, he made comments that pointed out his own weaknesses. What a maroon!

DannoJyd on August 30, 2008 at 11:58 AM

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 11:53 AM

Yep….looks like Gustav might linger over the LA/TX border for a full 24 hours (from NOA). Jindal is doing his best to get ready but we all know that the MSM will take every opportunity to turn Gustav into KatrinaII.

Limerick on August 30, 2008 at 11:59 AM

McCain will get some democratic women wiht Palin but the real benefit is when Obama chases all the other Hillary supporters into sitting home on Nov 4th.

William Amos on August 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Palin may help with the other group Hillary had an Obama needs: blue collar, conservative Dems (Reagan Democrats one might call them). These are the ones that Obama thought he could get with “blue collar boy from Scranton” Joe Biden, who’s spent most of his adult life in DC. (Wasn’t Hillary born near Scranton, too?)

I hope Palin campaigns in Scranton.

Wethal on August 30, 2008 at 12:00 PM

I got paid $150.00 to watch the Obama speech. I was selected for a focus group and about 60 of us watched the speech. We were supposed to jot down what we found postive and what we found negative in his speech. And, not just what he was saying but how he looked saying it and how it made us feel. After the speech they took all the comments, reviewed them and asked 20 people to stay for further round table discussion. I didn’t get picked; I guess I didn’t play the game right. The people they picked to stay were all the ones clapping and nodding throughout his speech. I commented that the most positive thing about his speech was that I got paid $150.00 to watch it.

Jvette on August 30, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Looks the same on Intrade. No bounce.

Sarah Palin being selected at VP was the main story coming out of Denver because we already knew Barack would be the guy and give his normal grand flowery speech. Been there, seen that.

So the Democrats will begin to grumble after this week that the GOP had 2 conventions, and all the Dems got was a lousy OBAMA/biden T-Shirt.

econavenger on August 30, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Allah/Ed: any ideas on how to get ideas to the campaign??

carbon_footprint on August 30, 2008 at 11:41 AM

Doesnt the RNC have a suggestion webpage ? A place to go online to post ideas to the RNC ?

I take it you have never seen a woman scorned. Rarely do they just pack up and go home. Quite frequently they do the most damaging thing they can think of to the scorner.

Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2008 at 11:49 AM

I wish that were true but I have already seen the reaction of some of Hillary’s supporters and they are contemptious of Sarah Palin. She just isnt their type of “Girl”.

Remember Allah posted a MSNBC poll a few days ago that shows that by adding Palin to the ticket McCain support among women actually DROPS 11%. These are hardcore feminists who would trash a condi Rice for being a traitor to women and blacks. These people will never vote GOP. They will however turn their backs on Obama if he gets too obnoxious and sit at home.

William Amos on August 30, 2008 at 12:01 PM

carbon_footprint on August 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM,

You nailed that big time. Cult of personality versus patriotism and love of country. Awesome distinction… crystal clear.

beatcanvas on August 30, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Have we heard a peep from Big MO about Palin yet? Can you imagine hard far that lower lip protruding now?

BobMbx on August 30, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Well this is terrifying, it seems the libs are now trying to find old photos or vids of Palin in a swimsuit/bikini to try and paint her as some airhead bimbo.

The more they tighten their misogynist grip, the more female voters who will slip through their fingers.

Bishop on August 30, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Palin may help with the other group Hillary had an Obama needs: blue collar, conservative Dems (Reagan Democrats one might call them). These are the ones that Obama thought he could get with “blue collar boy from Scranton” Joe Biden, who’s spent most of his adult life in DC. (Wasn’t Hillary born near Scranton, too?)

I hope Palin campaigns in Scranton.

Wethal on August 30, 2008 at 12:00 PM

I think were Palin helps is among INDEPENDANT women who are neither Republican or Democrat. The hardcore feminists will never back a “traitor” conservative woman to their cherish principles.

However average women who arent as political motivated and dont have a massive agenda will possibly swing to McCain if they feel Palin does truely represent them.

William Amos on August 30, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Hillary had moderate, non-ideological, Women support too. Much of it in state’s like Penn, Ohio, Mich…..that is the women Palin is trying to appeal too.

most voters are ideologues like the hardcore hillary supporters, marxist and us wingnuts.

jp on August 30, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Have we heard a peep from Big MO about Palin yet? Can you imagine hard far that lower lip protruding now?

BobMbx on August 30, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Ha funny you said that I got a clip for you. Obama is PRAISING Palin in it.

However please watch the “OH SHIT” look on Biden’s face behind him.

William Amos on August 30, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Guess which network is re-running the life and times of The One right now?

I guess it’s a slow news day in Liberal Land.

BobMbx on August 30, 2008 at 12:06 PM

I wish that were true but I have already seen the reaction of some of Hillary’s supporters and they are contemptious of Sarah Palin. She just isnt their type of “Girl”.

That’s just selective sampling. Look other places, see different results.

Remember Allah posted a MSNBC poll a few days ago that shows that by adding Palin to the ticket McCain support among women actually DROPS 11%.

That poll is not consistent with that actual favorability numbers that came out post Palin

These are hardcore feminists who would trash a condi Rice for being a traitor to women and blacks. These people will never vote GOP. They will however turn their backs on Obama if he gets too obnoxious and sit at home.

William Amos on August 30, 2008 at 12:01 PM

People that trash Condi or Thomas etc are hard-core leftists. They aren’t sitting, they would vote for anything on the D ticket.

Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2008 at 12:07 PM

I disagree that anyone should make an overt gesture, such as filling sandbags or rescuing civilians, the federal response is much more well thought out than before, which shows governments ability to adapt. And the American public is getting much more hostile to being patronized, no matter if the motivation is genuine.

A nice speech is appropriate; the reason is that any action that is a completely diametric to what was done during Katrina, will be juxtaposed with that archive footage. McCain shouldn’t squander the attention the Palin choice garnered, by having video of him filling sandbags split screened with him eating birthday cake with Bush.

FinderofTruths on August 30, 2008 at 12:07 PM

I think were Palin helps is among INDEPENDANT women who are neither Republican or Democrat. The hardcore feminists will never back a “traitor” conservative woman to their cherish principles.

However average women who arent as political motivated and dont have a massive agenda will possibly swing to McCain if they feel Palin does truely represent them.

William Amos on August 30, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Yup.

Even if we lose THIS fight running Sarah is a genius move BECAUSE it may well finally fracture the feminist phalanx that college educated moderates feel kinship to from college.

Nice catch Amos.

sven10077 on August 30, 2008 at 12:09 PM

BTW Im not saying that Palin wont win women voters. But she will win them as being HERSELF and not as a replacement for Hillary.

Its a mistake to try and push her a hillary’s replacement.

Sarah is a conservative who happens to be a woman rather than a woman who happens to be a conservative. Dont send out the wrong message.

William Amos on August 30, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Sarah McCain (44.40)

Limerick on August 30, 2008 at 12:10 PM

BTW Im not saying that Palin wont win women voters. But she will win them as being HERSELF and not as a replacement for Hillary.

Its a mistake to try and push her a hillary’s replacement.

Sarah is a conservative who happens to be a woman rather than a woman who happens to be a conservative. Dont send out the wrong message.

Now that I agree with.

Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Steyn, in his usual yummy word goodness, is on the attack:

“Sarah Palin and Barack Obama are more or less the same age, but Governor Palin has run a state and a town and a commercial fishing operation, whereas (to reprise a famous line on the Rev Jackson) Senator Obama ain’t run nothin’ but his mouth”.

Bishop on August 30, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Obama speech: I stayed late at the office, no adult beverages on hand, to watch and listen. I contributed a considerable amount of snark to the thread while it was underway. But in my heart, I was listening for the soaring, historical words that would go down in history along with some of the famous inaugurals, etc. Especially acknowledging Dr. King’s heroic contributions to our country.

Instead of getting something that would be written into books, and quoted for years, we got an extended partisan stump speech, full of justifications for his own candidacy. Little of it was future oriented. The moment he named Bush and Cheney, the speech was doomed as a backward-looking snapshot in time, not a legend for history.

My expectations were dashed. I really, really wanted more from him, and for him. The video of that event will probably end up in the “Do/Don’t” category in political seminars, rather than being replayed triumphantly throughout the years to come.

RushBaby on August 30, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Remember Allah posted a MSNBC poll a few days ago that shows that by adding Palin to the ticket McCain support among women actually DROPS 11%.

What about the additional 65% of “Lunchbucket” Democrat men Juan “Z-Visa” McCain picks up?

DfDeportation on August 30, 2008 at 12:13 PM

However average women who arent as political motivated and dont have a massive agenda will possibly swing to McCain if they feel Palin does truely represent them.

They swung over in their millions for Bush in 2004, the vaunted “soccer mom” vote, I could see them swinging over for Palin quite easily.

Anecdotal I know, but my wife is quite pleased with the Palin pick because she sees her as a good choice in 2012 for the Big Seat, and she liked Hillary for the same reason.

Bishop on August 30, 2008 at 12:14 PM

However average women who arent as political motivated and dont have a massive agenda will possibly swing to McCain if they feel Palin does truely represent them.

William Amos on August 30, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Have you seen a clear statement of Obama/Biden’s position on gun control? McCain/Palin might have a chance with blue collar men who are also hunters, and who like to keep a handgun around the house, just in case. I think it was Gore’s gun control position that helped him lose Tennessee.

Wethal on August 30, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Have you seen a clear statement of Obama/Biden’s position on gun control? McCain/Palin might have a chance with blue collar men who are also hunters, and who like to keep a handgun around the house, just in case. I think it was Gore’s gun control position that helped him lose Tennessee.

Wethal on August 30, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Well I was walking about women. As for men they keep running pictures of Sarah with the guns and working with her hands and every cool thing she does they wont have to worry about winning men over. We are already crazy about Sarah.

William Amos on August 30, 2008 at 12:17 PM

I don’t want to appear to be pushing the idea just because it was mine. I really want to help the cause; no matter how small a part it is. I appreciate it.

carbon_footprint on August 30, 2008 at 11:58 AM

It was your original idea, and it looks marvelous on every page. Spread it liberally!

Obama’s Speech: “OB AM A! OB AM A! OB AM A!”
Palin’s Speech: “U S A! U S A! U S A!”

POW/WOW ’08!

RushBaby on August 30, 2008 at 12:17 PM

Joe…uhm…Joe…Who’s that guy again?

MoCoM on August 30, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Chia Pet.

RushBaby on August 30, 2008 at 12:18 PM

At least Palin and McCain won’t need to fake any photo-ops with a shotgun in their hands to assuage gun owners like the democrats have to do, just show real pics of McCain in his flight suit and Palin with her foot on a recently shot moose’s head.

Bishop on August 30, 2008 at 12:21 PM

C’mon, let’s not call it a total failure..pretty good fireworks show…

Static21 on August 30, 2008 at 12:24 PM

Doesn’t Obama have that overseas fundraising trip with George Clooney coming up soon? I dare him to do that now!

At this point, the only place that celebrity fundraising trip could be held without it backfiring on him is in Anwar.

BuckeyeSam on August 30, 2008 at 12:25 PM

I would use all that money just donated to run an ad pitting Obama/Biden vs McCain/Palin on the bridge to nowhere. That would set the tone for the rest of the campaign. Team McCain needs to start mocking Obama’s and Biden’s positions and qualifications. Don’t attack, mock. Learn from uncle saul.

ninjapirate on August 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM

I’d email that suggestion to the campaign

funky chicken on August 30, 2008 at 12:26 PM

I have a friend that makes excellent You Tube videos and I will suggest the O-bam-a vs U S A idea to her. To check out her work search on Miradena at You Tube. Patriot Room and Stop the ACLU have even posted some of them as have I but I am a little blog.

goat on August 30, 2008 at 12:54 PM

As I posted yesterday:
Obama’s Speech: “OB AM A! OB AM A! OB AM A!”
Palin’s Speech: “U S A! U S A! U S A!”

carbon_footprint on August 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Wow…that’s probably the shortest, most fantastic post I’ve ever read that just “is” the point of it all. Well done.

SouthernGent on August 30, 2008 at 12:55 PM

Nice graph link, Limerick.

seejanemom on August 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM

I just heard that Obama released a new ad saying that the Palin choice means “no change”. I’m going through an exercise in futility in trying to figure out exactly what Obama defines “change” as.

The Obama camp had those ads and sound bytes all ready to go regardless of who McCain picked. All they thought they needed was to fill in the candidate’s name (Romney? Pawlenty? Huckabee?).

They were simply caught flat-footed when Palin was named, so they went with the planned attacks even if they made no sense. Then they stepped in it big time by giving new life to the experience argument, but by arguing against Palin’s experience they also make Obama’s experience a legitimate issue. They can’t credibly argue against Palin’s experience while still argue that Obama does have the required experience.

I think this weekend you’ll see a lot of Dem scrambling as they try to figure out a line of attack. Expect the new line to be unveiled Sunday moring. One thing’s for sure, what they brought out yesterday ain’t gonna work unless Palin does them the favor of performing one gaffe after another.

After what I saw of her yesterday and viewing some of the archived clips on the Internet, I don’t see that happening. The women is solid and tough.

She’ll hold her own against Biden in the debates and if Biden sticks his foot in it (which he is entirely capable of doing) she’ll chew him up and spit him out.

PackerBronco on August 30, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Jvette on August 30, 2008 at 12:01 PM

It’d take a hell-of-a-lot more than 150.00 to force me to watch that mess.

Hope it was worth it.

TheSitRep on August 30, 2008 at 1:09 PM

I really like the USA USA juxtaposed with the obama chant followed simply by the McCain slogan “Country First”. I’m John McCain and I approve this message.

sharonlr on August 30, 2008 at 1:21 PM

It’d take a hell-of-a-lot more than 150.00 to force me to watch that mess.

Hope it was worth it.

I didn’t know before I went that we would be watching the speech. The $150.00 kept me from walking out. Hey, I’m a stay-at-home mom, so yeah, it was worth it.

Jvette on August 30, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Obama’s speech was nothing more than Clinton’s 200 empty promises.

tarpon on August 30, 2008 at 1:26 PM

Would a backside view of this lying a$$ let us all see that Soros’s hand is stuck up his butt making his arms swing and lips move?

leanright on August 30, 2008 at 1:29 PM

One thing I do not like about the Palin selection is the assumption that all women are so politically vacuous that we will blindly pull the lever (or punch a chad or whatever) for a woman simply because she is a woman. Maybe some women are like that but the rest of us who want to be treated like equals do not believe in identity politics. That is why we are Republicans. Palin will add to the ticket based on her own merits not because she happens to own some ovaries.

HawaiiLwyr on August 30, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Obama/Biden: A Bridge to Nowhere

Heh. Or Obama/Biden: A Bridge into Troubled Waters.

Mike Honcho on August 30, 2008 at 1:40 PM

HawaiiLwyr on August 30, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Er … this old chauvinist firmly asserts that there is a heck of a lot more to a woman than ovaries.

OldEnglish on August 30, 2008 at 1:45 PM

this convention has been a snoozefest plus 10. i watched every speech in 04. i couldnt even sit through O’s speech without pausing and never coming back…

im not surprised at the lack of bouncage

Drunk Report on August 30, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Pollsters, stack the deck. Titanicobama’s been struck.

maverick muse on August 30, 2008 at 2:36 PM

No bounce? Have you seen the Gallup tracker? Obama leads by 8 now, and he trailed by 2 last week.

Life inside the bubble…

cjw79 on August 30, 2008 at 3:06 PM

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