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NARN, The Final 2008 State Fair Edition — with Ron Paul

posted at 12:40 pm on August 30, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The Northern Alliance Radio Network will be on the air today, with our six-hour-long broadcast schedule starting at 11 am CT. The first two hours features Power Line’s John Hinderaker and Chad and Brian from Fraters Libertas. Mitch and I hit the airwaves for the second shift from 1-3 pm CT, and King Banaian and Michael Broadkorb have The Final Word from 3-5. If you’re in the Twin Cities, you can hear us on AM 1280 The Patriot, or on the station’s Internet stream if you’re outside of the broadcast area.

Today, we have lots of great guests! Ron Paul will join us by phone, while Liz Mair of the RNC and Patrick Hynes will join us in person. We’ll have convention talk, chat about Sarah Palin, and much much more!

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HAHA did you see the story about the “Ronvoys” planning to head to Minnesota for “Ronpauluza” ?

William Amos on August 30, 2008 at 12:45 PM

So, Mr. Paul…you supported the “Bridge to Nowhere” and DOn Young over limited Govt. conservatives like Sean Parnell. What do you think about Sarah Palin?

what type of Enemies will a McCain/Palin administration create for us, as opposed to your distorted view of the world and human nature in which we can all hold hands, sing kumbaya and Trade just magically happens with goods getting from point A to B without interference. Where Oil is produced at capacity by Despot nations opposed to liberalism……i.e. the paultard Utopia?

jp on August 30, 2008 at 12:47 PM

all the pretty Sarah Palin pics outside, and you go and ruin it with a freak show pic with this post ;)

talk to Alex Jones lately Paul? he sure has spoke to Ms. Malkin.

jp on August 30, 2008 at 12:49 PM

Sounds like one to miss. Paul makes me throw up.

lodge on August 30, 2008 at 12:50 PM

jp, what exactly makes you think he opposes drilling? He is all for getting the federal government out of the way and allowing drilling, though he recognizes, unlike many others, that so long as the dollar is continually devalued, drilling unfortunately won’t be enough to stop rising gas prices.

Rangeley on August 30, 2008 at 12:50 PM

Somebody send that jerk to the corner bar, give him an unlimited tab and keep him out of our faces.

rplat on August 30, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Give Patrick a big wet one for me, Ed.

seejanemom on August 30, 2008 at 1:05 PM

jp, what exactly makes you think he opposes drilling? He is all for getting the federal government out of the way and allowing drilling, though he recognizes, unlike many others, that so long as the dollar is continually devalued, drilling unfortunately won’t be enough to stop rising gas prices.

Rangeley on August 30, 2008 at 12:50 PM

not speaking of Domestic drilling, just his absolute hypocriy and helping to elect one of the most corrupt and worse RINO’s in Don Young of Alaska this past week.

what I was speaking of was his naivety about how the world works, what it takes to make Despot nations produce at capacity and how the trade routes are actually protected.

aside from that, I would also argue its the price of Oil that has devalued the dollar more than anything. Its the biggest chunk of the trade defecit by far, and when the price of OIl Triples the Defecit balloons and is alot worse than the Budget Defeceit which has same effect on dollar. Its up around $800 billion, that is dollars leaving the US, mostly thinks to Oil which is bad for the dollar.

Goldman Sachs analyst had a great report on this not long ago. Problem with Paul is to him its the all powerful evil Federal reserve that controls everything, and he discounts the effects of other factors.

jp on August 30, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Mr. Paul, will you be having a Labor Day BBQ with your Stormfront buddies this weekend?

It's Vintage, Duh on August 30, 2008 at 1:23 PM

It isn’t that the Federal Reserve is some evil conspiratorial group – it is an example of central economic planning. The economy is slowing, so they pump more money into the economy. The problem is, with more of a money supply, the value of the dollar slowly declines, just as the value or price of oil would slowly decline with a bigger supply. The government is notoriously bad at running the economy – not just our government, for that matter, but governments in general.

Government intervention in the free market is bad in general, but pumping money into it at this point is particularly harmful because we are in a deficit – meaning any money pumped it will have to be created or borrowed with interest.

And the price of oil is an effect, not a cause, of the devalued dollar. Afterall, the price of oil when exchanged to gold has actually been pretty steady – from 2000 to now it is more or less the same price, whereas in dollars it has jumped from, what, around a dollar to a little under 4 now?

Rangeley on August 30, 2008 at 1:39 PM

And the price of oil is an effect, not a cause, of the devalued dollar.

Then gas prices would be cheaper in Europe correct? Where the Euro is out performing the dollar. Check those gas prices and see if your theory holds out.

lorien1973 on August 30, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Then gas prices would be cheaper in Europe correct? Where the Euro is out performing the dollar. Check those gas prices and see if your theory holds out.

Well, things aren’t quite so simple. The Euro may be stronger then the dollar, but it is actually losing value too as their central banks are practicing the same sort of devaluation-for-economic-growth that is going on here. So their prices have been increasing too.

That aside, the price of gas in Europe is much higher then here for one reason – gas taxes. Taxes account for, on average, 70% of the price of gas in the UK and France, for instance, while it is 11% in the United States. So if you take out taxes for both – yes, their gas actually is cheaper.

Rangeley on August 30, 2008 at 1:55 PM

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2007/11/oil_and_the_dol.html

Paul/Rockwell do not know what they are talking about, they only care about Anarcho-Capitalism and seeing the USA as an “Evil Empire”

jp on August 30, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Ed. I already sent this to several people, including the boss (twice). Try Mark Levin’s interview with John Lott. Select ’stream’ from Thursday’s show (Aug 28) and skip forward to 56:20.

The background, which immediately preceeds this segment is Stanley
Kurtz’s (at 47:00) appearance on WGN on Wednesday, which the boss has an excellent
summary of at NRO.

gh on August 30, 2008 at 2:21 PM

NARN, The Final 2008 State Fair Edition — with Ron Paul

Sadly, the Paultards, or better known to me as Paulturds, still don’t get it about this guy. With Ron Paul, he’s been playing a Constitutional Pied Piper’s money mind game, while at the same time, laughing all the way to the bank. The Ron Paul presidential campaign collected tens of millions, didn’t spend a third, then quit running!

byteshredder on August 30, 2008 at 2:29 PM

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2007/11/oil_and_the_dol.html

Paul/Rockwell do not know what they are talking about, they only care about Anarcho-Capitalism and seeing the USA as an “Evil Empire”

I sort of addressed this earlier – other central banks are printing more money to cause growth too. It has nothing to do with “evilness,” and everything to central economic planning being implemented in more places then just here.

A more suitable graph is one that looks at both currencies, and a hard commodity, like in this case, gold.

http://bkmarcus.com/blog/images/charts/OilDollarEuroGold2007.png

As you can see, yes, it has increased for both the Euro and Dollar since 2000 – not as much for the Euro overall, but at times it has gone up at even larger rates then the dollar.

Overall though, the Dollar has been devalued more – as born out by the fact that the Euro has increased in value per the dollar. Its like two sinking ships – the slower sinking one will be higher up then the faster sinking one, but both are still sinking.

Meanwhile, with gold – or for that matter, with a dollar that hypothetically had not been devalued – the price of gas has stayed pretty flat considering all the fluctuations in oil supply and instability.

Rangeley on August 30, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Give it up and get a life JP…

Fed Up on August 30, 2008 at 2:56 PM

LOL: Marx Brothers DNC POTUS ticket ‘08

maverick muse on August 30, 2008 at 3:44 PM

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2007/11/oil_and_the_dol.html

Paul/Rockwell do not know what they are talking about, they only care about Anarcho-Capitalism and seeing the USA as an “Evil Empire”

jp on August 30, 2008 at 2:20 PM

jp, you have people go to a website that claims that the dollar fall has nothing to do with the rise in the price of oil and how great the U.S. dollar has done since September of last year through November?

Try going back to the year 2002 and post some more of your brilliance.

Fed Up on August 30, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Oil is driving the dollar down, thanks to the trade deficit which OIl is the biggest part of. There is alot of analysis on that point, try reading something other than crankville

jp on August 31, 2008 at 11:13 AM

the trade deficit, some of which is good, is mostly Oil imports. Which underscores the need for Domestic Oil and Energy Indpendence. Oil Tripling in price the last few years, coincides with the dollar’s plunge for obvious reasons. Sending more $$ out of the country making our currency less desireable.

http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11294547

What about the dollar link? Chakib Khelil, president of the Organisation of Petroleum-Exporting Countries, argued this week that oil could reach $200 a barrel largely because the market was being driven by the dollar’s slide. Movements in the euro/dollar exchange rate and the price of oil have become extremely close (see chart). An analysis by Jens Nordvig and Jeffrey Currie of Goldman Sachs shows that the correlation between weekly changes in the oil price and the euro/dollar exchange rate has risen from 1% between 1999 and 2004 to 52% in the past six months.

That link is partly a matter of accounting. If the dollar falls, the dollar price of a commodity must rise for its overall price—in terms of a basket of global currencies—to remain stable. But commodity prices have risen even when priced in non-dollar currencies. And the correlation between changes in the price of oil and the euro/dollar exchange rate has risen even when oil is priced in a basket of currencies, such as the IMF’s special drawing rights.

So is the weaker dollar driving oil prices up or are high oil prices driving the dollar down? The Goldman analysts argue the latter. Dearer oil is pushing the dollar down, they claim, because oil exporters import more from Europe than America and hold less of their oil revenues in dollars.

jp on August 31, 2008 at 11:18 AM

Oil prices had been rising in all currencies, not just the dollar. Not all of these countries have trade deficits. How do you explain that jp?
http://paul.kedrosky.com/WindowsLiveWriter/OilComparingCrudeTrendsAcrossTenCurrenci_F194/oil-four-year_6.gif

I suppose your definition of inflation is “the rise in prices” right?

Perhaps you should read what Paul and Rockwell write rather than criticize them all the time.

Fed Up on August 31, 2008 at 11:46 AM

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