The Obama speech: More of the same, only less

posted at 7:26 am on August 29, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama certainly had the nation’s attention last night, having moved his speech from the Pepsi Center to an elaborate setting at Invesco Field.  He had history on his side in two separate ways, both with his own nomination as the first African-American candidate on a major-party ticket and the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech.  Obama had the chance to reach beyond his previous efforts and close the deal with middle America.

Instead, Obama essentially mailed in his usual stump speech.  While people waited to hear specifics, Obama only offered slogans.  Meanwhile, he threw in the same attacks that his campaign has made for the last four weeks against John McCain and offered more bluster about having a debate on foreign policy, national security, and patriotism without agreeing to actually meet McCain to do it.

Ramesh Ponnuru sums it up well:

If all you knew of Obama was what he presented to you in his speech, you would think of him as a typical Democratic politician improved by the addition of a bit more thoughtfulness and idealism than the average representative of the class. You would be amazed to learn of his extremely close relationship to a radical anti-American preacher; or that he has followed a no-enemies-to-the-left approach to politics that put him in the company of an unrepentant terrorist. You would not suspect that he favors taxpayer-funded abortion or drivers’ licenses for illegal immigrants. You would not realize that he has crossed party lines far less often than McCain. You would not imagine that he had ever voted against funding for troops in war zones. It would not cross your mind that this denouncer of hardball, self-interested politics might be having his campaign intimidate reporters out of looking into his record.

Obama was less successful in making the case for himself on foreign policy, but no less dishonest. He did not acknowledge the success or even the existence of the surge. He presented McCain as the lone holdout against a consensus on withdrawal from Iraq that includes President Bush. If he had had his way, we would have been out of Iraq a long time ago and the country would be in far worse shape — but by presenting a timeline of the Iraq debate that excludes the last two years, he kept all but the most attentive listeners from noticing.

The senator argued that we should be able to disagree on political issues without questioning each other’s character. True. But he concludes that we should therefore ignore the evidence that he has, in fact, adopted the foreign-policy positions he has for political reasons. He acts as though he is being gracious by not leveling a like charge against McCain. But it is no concession to declare off limits an accusation that applies to you and not your opponent.

Obama made the same mistake that plagued the entire Democratic convention; he ran against George Bush.  He railed about the previous eight years, which certainly is de rigeur for the party out of the White House, but failed to present any clear idea of what different policies he would apply.  He did almost nothing to present any specific, positive plan for the American people beyond the sloganeering to which Obama has bitterly clung while his polling has dropped by double digits this summer

Worse than that, Obama misrepresented McCain’s record on several points.  He ridiculed McCain for not following Osama bin Laden “to his cave”, when even his own running mate stated on the record that invading Pakistan in force would be rather foolish.  (McCain also doesn’t have the authority to order that, and Obama put it in the past tense.)  Obama repeated the accusation that McCain is just another Bush on energy policy, but it was Obama who voted for the Bush energy bill in 2005, and McCain who voted against it.  In fact, while McCain has voted with his party 88% of the time, Obama has voted with his party 97% of the time over the last three years — and has almost no record of taking risks in pursuit of bipartisan solutions at any level of legislating.

Oddly, Obama only made passing reference to Dr. King’s speech, with a throwaway line in the closing moments.  Why not talk more about that moment and tie himself to it?

In the end, this was an opportunity lost, both by Obama and by his party.  Democrats had the chance to show America that they had grown beyond their obsession with George Bush and had a positive, rational plan to govern.  Instead, they essentially ran a re-run of their 2004 convention and forgot that Bush will retire in five months, not four, as some of their mathematically-challenged speakers stated.  Obama will get his bump — and it will prove as transitory as his summer popularity.

Update: “Did you watch the speech?  How can you say it had no specifics?”  Yes, I watched the speech — I wouldn’t write about it as though I had if I hadn’t.  As far as specifics, let me allow Charles Babbington of the Associated Press to make the point:

Obama’s aides have long complained that he gets too little credit for including detailed proposals in his stump speeches, because listeners seem to remember only his stage presence and lofty rhetoric. Obama, who earlier had promised a “workmanlike” speech in Denver, seemed to acknowledge the problem, saying he would fill in the blanks.

Mostly, however, he touched on major issues quickly and lightly. It’s an approach that may intrigue and satisfy millions of viewers just starting to tune in to the campaign seriously. The crowd at Invesco Field cheered deliriously, but Republicans almost surely will decry the lack of specifics.

For instance, Obama said it’s time “to protect Social Security for future generations.” But he didn’t mention his main proposal, which is to add a new Social Security payroll tax to incomes above $250,000 a year.

He said he would “cut taxes for 95 percent of all working families,” but did not say how.

He briefly mentioned abortion, gun rights, gay rights and other hot-button issues without delving into their sticky details. “Passions fly on immigration,” Obama said, “but I don’t know anyone who benefits when a mother is separated from her infant child or an employer undercuts American wages by hiring illegal workers.”

Well, it’s those “sticky details” that matter.


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franksalterego on August 29, 2008 at 8:28 AM

They love to talk about Kennedy but have never embraced his ideals or the ideals of the time. I consider myself a Kennedy Liberal which compared to today’s liberal makes me a right wing wacko. The political views and positions of the people of this country are far more to the left then they use to be which makes it ripe for a leftist takeover. BO as president is the first step and depending how it goes maybe the only step towards the goal of a communist government.

jmarcure on August 29, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Unless he’s going to change term limits and hasn’t told us, yet.

bloggless on August 29, 2008 at 7:36 AM

With an Obama presidency and a heavily liberal congress, that just may be possible. I don’t know – I am no constitutional expert, but I shudder the thought of the possibility.

Grafted on August 29, 2008 at 9:03 AM

The Obama’s are the product of affirmative action and it’s clear that our educational system is one huge SNAFU!

He will never be elected based on fresh alternatives and injecting intelligence.

I’m feeling that McCain will rub our noses in the maverick fashion that is his “Reaching across the isle”.

God, please help us!

Easydoesit on August 29, 2008 at 9:06 AM

“New improved Whizzo Butter containing 10% more less ” – Monty Python

shick on August 29, 2008 at 9:06 AM

Tom_Shipley on August 29, 2008 at 7:55 AM

Barack, inspired the very best in all of us. He has defined a very specific vision and a new direction in which he would take our country and he is now faced with some of the most difficult circumstances in the history of our great country.

Weakness of the dollar and a continuing recession with it’s associated loss of good jobs…

Two continuing, unresolved wars in the Middle East…Iraqi quagmire…

Pakistan a nuclear nation in shambles and Iran moving toward an atomic bomb…good one Dubyah…

Russia now making cold war noises concerning its former satellites… Pooty Poot indeed…

A continuing energy crisis here at home with no specific vision, research, funding or plan for alternative sources…solar, wind, hydrogen…

All this turmoil and tumult conjured up over the last eight years; by the miserable performance of the present administration with respect to both its’ domestic and foreign policy.

“Negotiations, what negotiations… We don’t need no f’ing negotiations. “

We’re just totally incompetent or incapable of meaningful negotiations of any kind for any purpose.

Thank you, Mr. Bush.

Hello, Mr. Obama…!

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 9:06 AM

Yet another “soap bubble floating on the wind” speech. Kind of pretty to look at but insubstantial.

TooTall on August 29, 2008 at 9:07 AM

As President, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power. I’ll help our auto companies re-tool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America. I’ll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars. And I’ll invest 150 billion dollars over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy – wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels; an investment that will lead to new industries and five million new jobs that pay well and can’t ever be outsourced.

Tom_Shipley on August 29, 2008 at 7:55 AM

As I just wrote about, this was maybe the most troubling part of the speech. I’m all for nuclear and clean coal. But until last night Obama wasn’t. What changed? And wind and solar can’t replace 20 million barrels of oil a day. You can’t power a car with wind. As for the next generation of biofuels, do you believe he means anything other than more subsidies for ethanol (which is a highly inefficient source of energy compared to oil)? I don’t.

Obama’s energy policy can’t possibly work without either drastic cutbacks in energy usage or an increase in prices to cause said cutbacks.

BadgerHawk on August 29, 2008 at 9:07 AM

Keemo on August 29, 2008 at 8:57 AM

What, another Obama speech comprising a bunch of platitudes and slogans linked as non-sequiturs? He’s batting 1.000!

mr.blacksheep on August 29, 2008 at 9:08 AM

A great speech from a candidate or president conveys that the speaker has a sense of where we are, what time it is in human history, what opportunities and obstacles lay directly in front of us. And it is done with very few words. You know it when you hear it. You get a sense of awe and well-being almost immediately.

This was just your average lib claptrap, he even alluded to that cheat Edwards’ famed “veterans under bridges”. I got no sense of moment or place, because Obama has none, other than “You’re all miserable, and Nanny Gubmint is here to make it all better.”

LibTired on August 29, 2008 at 9:08 AM

Can we do a side by side comparison to what Congress promised they would do when they took Congress back?

I realize it is all Bush’s fault, but it’s always amazing that people give blind support to a party full of good intentions, without demanding to know specifics on how they are going to do it. (and in all cases, they never worry about where the money is coming from)

Rogue Traveler on August 29, 2008 at 9:08 AM

One thing I haven’t seen commented on was his reference to running against the Washington insiders, as politicians always do. He threw a dart at McCain about being there for so long, why did he not mention that his own pick for veep (noted as his first presidential decision) has been there all these many years. Oh, I forgot, that would be a distraction.

In the end – OVERSOLD. A made for TV event. While the thank you, applause and fireworks were going off, I was waiting for the credits to roll.

CapnLarge on August 29, 2008 at 9:09 AM

Anyone who says economy is in ” shambles ” on the day it grew 3.2% … can’t be trusted !!!

aniladesai on August 29, 2008 at 9:10 AM

With an Obama presidency and a heavily liberal congress, that just may be possible. I don’t know – I am no constitutional expert, but I shudder the thought of the possibility.

Grafted on August 29, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Didn’t Bush put into place some sort of executive order that could be declared in and emergency and would pretty much suspend the congress, bill of rights and constitution and make the presidency the only authority. What constitutes an emergency? I remember at the time thinking that Lucus had it right with the Star Wars movie when the president appoints himself the only leader due to the “emergency” at the time.

jmarcure on August 29, 2008 at 9:16 AM

As President, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power. I’ll help our auto companies re-tool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America. I’ll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars. And I’ll invest 150 billion dollars over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy – wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels; an investment that will lead to new industries and five million new jobs that pay well and can’t ever be outsourced.

Tom_Shipley on August 29, 2008 at 7:55 AM

Holy #$%#, is Obama serious? Words fail me. Was this really in Obama’s speech? It sounds like something Hugo Chavez would say.

RightOFLeft on August 29, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Everything I heard — and I couldn’t force myself to listen to the whole mess — was the same old crap: promises that can only be kept if Osama Obama can rewrite the laws of physics, induce the nation to turn communist and soak the rich until they are penniless.

His slams at McCain were not only mean-spirited but in many instances outright distortions and lies.

In short, he is a prototypical low-class Dem pol. His only assets are his skin color and the adoration of the masses.

That anyone buys into his worthless words is an indictment of our educational system and collective sense of values.

MrScribbler on August 29, 2008 at 9:21 AM

He’s the perfect snake oil salesman! It will be quite interesting to interview this adoring audience a couple years from now if the fool gets elected and fails to make good on a single one of those empty promises he just made. He’s the can man who can’t.

scalleywag on August 29, 2008 at 9:21 AM

“…There were a whole bunch of mischaracterizations about McCain also, which happens on both sides during a campaign I suppose. But I don’t want to hear a peep out of you when McCain’s camp levels some crazy charges about ‘infanticide’ or ‘hanging out with terrorists’ next week. BadgerHawk on August 29, 2008 at 9:00 AM

Hey there Badger, did you gitta call from St Mc concerning his newest ad campaigns…?

“ crazy charges”

nah you’re kiddin’…!

Not from the Saint, he maybe short in the memory recall department, but he’s not crazy…?

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 9:21 AM

Again, sven10077, you miss the point. You can high five yourselves silly over how disastrous you perceive the speech to be all, but it might be more productive if you concentrated on how this speech could affect/seduce undecided voters.

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2008 at 7:46 AM

I do not feel that the speech was a disaster at all. I think it spoke very effectively to the type of vapid logic that I have learned to expect from the left wing. He says an awful lot of things about what he wants to do in a very broad sense. But he does not have much meat there. But it is certainly enough for the crowd that thinks words of two syllables are substantive.

So tell me what was new there Dave? We heard all of it before in other sound bites and sometimes even from other candidates. So if you want to win over new people, don’t you actually have to tell them something they haven’t heard before?

Hawthorne on August 29, 2008 at 9:23 AM

mr.blacksheep on August 29, 2008 at 9:08 AM

It worked for the likes of Shipley and J_Gocht… I’d say the Liberal base got what they wanted out of that speech last night. These folks are Liberal through their core, and would vote Democrat no matter the person at the podium. What Obama needed to do to win the general election, was to convince enough “non-Liberals” to vote for him. This is where he failed in my view. Obama offered nothing other than “words” and empty rhetoric. Due to the media’s love fest with Obama, we’ve all heard everything he had to say last night over & over & over & over… Obama blew a chance to gain non committed voters last night, and the DNC theme of bashing Bush-McCain is exactly what has made Americans sick & tired of the bickering in DC. More of the same is what happened last night, much to the pleasure of the nutters who feed on the bickering.

Keemo on August 29, 2008 at 9:24 AM

As President, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power. I’ll help our auto companies re-tool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America. I’ll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars. And I’ll invest 150 billion dollars over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy – wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels; an investment that will lead to new industries and five million new jobs that pay well and can’t ever be outsourced.

Tom_Shipley on August 29, 2008 at 7:55 AM

It just occurred to me what the difference between liberals and conservatives is: Liberals think this is specific, whereas conservatives see it as vague waffle.

The intriguing thing is the five million new jobs that can’t be outsourced. What, exactly, would these people be doing? Where did the five million number come from? Sounds like government work to me.

By the way, what ever happened to the million electric cars on the roads that Barry promised us? Did one of Obama’s daughters point out to him the absurdity of that idea?

mr.blacksheep on August 29, 2008 at 9:26 AM

I only have two comments to make about that “event”.

1). The crowd cheered when Chamberlain waved that useless piece of paper over his head.

2) The word “voluntary” is not the same as the word “requirement”.

OldEnglish on August 29, 2008 at 9:28 AM

MrScribbler on August 29, 2008 at 9:21 AM

Exactly. I felt it was some kind of duty to at least listen to the guy, but 5 minutes in and I felt like I was watching a horror show…he’s that frightening! Like someone said, God help us.

scalleywag on August 29, 2008 at 9:30 AM

jmarcure on August 29, 2008 at 9:16 AM

Hey jmarcure, even Nancy Pelosi who agree to impeach the sorry airhead if he pulled some crap like that…!

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 9:30 AM

The intriguing thing is the five million new jobs that can’t be outsourced. What, exactly, would these people be doing?
mr.blacksheep on August 29, 2008 at 9:26 AM

Stop flushing billions down the Iraqi toilet in the desert and get started rebuilding the totally crumbling public infrastructure here at home, mr.b_.

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 9:36 AM

Didn’t Bush put into place some sort of executive order that could be declared in and emergency and would pretty much suspend the congress, bill of rights and constitution and make the presidency the only authority. What constitutes an emergency? I remember at the time thinking that Lucus had it right with the Star Wars movie when the president appoints himself the only leader due to the “emergency” at the time.

jmarcure on August 29, 2008 at 9:16 AM

That is a nice popular liberal urban myth and nothing more. It gives you guys something to talk about over your soy milk shakes and arugala salad.

Hawthorne on August 29, 2008 at 9:37 AM

Stop flushing billions down the Iraqi toilet in the desert and get started rebuilding the totally crumbling public infrastructure here at home, mr.b_.

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 9:36 AM

Interesting that Obama is so focused on the problems here at home that he kicked off his campaign with a European tour. One where he managed to tell all the Europeans how bad we are here in America. He must have been ashamed. He had to take the American flag off the tail of his plane and replace it with the big O.

Hawthorne on August 29, 2008 at 9:44 AM

Stop flushing billions down the Iraqi toilet in the desert and get started rebuilding the totally crumbling public infrastructure here at home, mr.b_.
J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 9:36 AM

These aren’t the words of an isolationist….Those are the words of a heartless bastard.

franksalterego on August 29, 2008 at 9:46 AM

Stop flushing billions down the Iraqi toilet in the desert and get started rebuilding the totally crumbling public infrastructure here at home, mr.b_.
–J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 9:36 AM

Those are the words of someone, who thinks this country can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.

idiot

franksalterego on August 29, 2008 at 9:49 AM

“…your soy milk shakes and arugala salad. Hawthorne on August 29, 2008 at 9:37 AM

Yeah and all that orange juice I drink with my vodka…!

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 9:53 AM

(Repost from the other speech thread. I meant it to go into this one, but the convenience of Firefox’s multiple tabs does lead to mistakes now and then.)

I do have to say that I didn’t watch the Barack Obama and the Temple of Doom and Gloom speech. I went for the transcript instead. Barack painted such a distorted, negative, inhuman picture of McCain that all McCain needs to do is prick his finger and show the electorate that he does indeed bleed.

scrub_oak on August 29, 2008 at 9:59 AM

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 9:36 AM

Chicken Little much?

Rogue Traveler on August 29, 2008 at 9:59 AM

Those are the words of someone, who thinks this country can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.

idiot

franksalterego on August 29, 2008 at 9:49 AM

Can we any longer?

Our public educational system is a mess.
White-collar jobs are being outsourced by the hundreds of thousands.
We’re totally hooked on Chinese cheap c–p.
Russia is running roughshod over Georgia, daring us to stop them by force. (the only way they will be stopped)
Our southern border is so badly secured that any refried beanhead with half a brain and two bit’s worth of luck can WALK across. Even ones with a burrito in the oven and holding a kid by either hand.

Should we not at least consider the idea of fixing up our home before trying to fix up someone else’s halfway ’round the world???

Dark-Star on August 29, 2008 at 10:00 AM

Those are the words of someone, who thinks this country can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. idiot franksalterego on August 29, 2008 at 9:49 AM

We actually do know that President Bush can’t eat pretzels and watch TV at the same time.

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 10:02 AM

Stop flushing billions down the Iraqi toilet in the desert and get started rebuilding the totally crumbling public infrastructure here at home, mr.b_.

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 9:36 AM

Wait a minute, I thought these jobs were in the energy/green sector, not building roads & bridges. You’d better study those talking points a bit more thoroughly.

mr.blacksheep on August 29, 2008 at 10:02 AM

Didn’t watch the live broadcast last night but decided to watch the two part breakup provided by CNN’s website. If this is viewed from the perspective of someone just tuning in to this election cycle, it was quite good theatre and will appeal to those that don’t follow politics closely. Lack of content or specifics is the meat of a campaign that relies on the emotions of an electorate that are too busy in their own lives to pay critical attention to the details.

captivated_dem on August 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM

The Obama’s are the product of affirmative action and it’s clear that our educational system is one huge SNAFU!
Easydoesit on August 29, 2008 at 9:06 AM

While I disagree with your assessment of affirmative action playing a role in Barack Obama’s nomination, it’s clear that your incorrect usage of an apostrophe is a telling sign that you are correct about a ‘snafu’ in our educational system.

If you are going to make an argument, particularly one involving education, it helps to appear to be educated.

http://thepajamapundit.com/

thePajamaPundit on August 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM

franksalterego on August 29, 2008 at 9:46 AM

Do you have close familial ties in Iraq, frank_…?

If you have family there, tell them to “stand up so we can get the hell out”…

And good damn luck to your family, no offense meant or intended… frank_!

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 10:10 AM

This is not the time to play Grammar Nazi.

Dark-Star on August 29, 2008 at 10:11 AM

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 10:02 AM

Golly! A George Bush is (insert derogatory term here) comment. You are a very clever individual.

Rogue Traveler on August 29, 2008 at 10:12 AM

If you have family there, tell them to “stand up so we can get the hell out”…

Clever, and a fine grasp of foreign and military affairs. You must be swamped, trying to schedule protests in between Mensa meetings.

Rogue Traveler on August 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM

mr.blacksheep on August 29, 2008 at 10:02 AM

All of your above, mr.b_

This is a blog…

“Brevity is the soul of wit.”

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM

thePajamaPundit on August 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM

You come here and pimp your blog site, while offering little or nothing of substance. People from all walks of life come here to engage in conversation and vent. You sir, are digging a hole for yourself.

Keemo on August 29, 2008 at 10:17 AM

All of your above, mr.b_

This is a blog…

“Brevity is the soul of wit.”

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM

Yeah and all that orange juice I drink with my vodka…!

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 9:53 AM

I get it now.

mr.blacksheep on August 29, 2008 at 10:20 AM

thePajamaPundit on August 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM

Beejeebus tPP, are you being kind to me; just because I had to take English 101 for three semesters…?

Perhaps you’ve just given up correcting my bony arse spelling and punctuation boo boos…?

Have a nice day…!

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 10:25 AM

While I disagree with your assessment of affirmative action playing a role in Barack Obama’s nomination, it’s clear that your incorrect usage of an apostrophe is a telling sign that you are correct about a ’snafu’ in our educational system.

If you are going to make an argument, particularly one involving education, it helps to appear to be educated.

thePajamaPundit on August 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM

I sit corrected!

By the way, you’ve fecal material hanging out of the nose your looking down.

Easydoesit on August 29, 2008 at 10:25 AM

Rogue Traveler on August 29, 2008 at 10:12 AM

Sometimes the truth is painful and at other times it really hurts…!

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 10:31 AM

“…By the way, you’ve fecal material hanging out of the nose your looking down.
Easydoesit on August 29, 2008 at 10:25 AM

Now, now Easydoesit, one good deed doesn’t necessarily deserve another, easy does it…!

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 10:38 AM

Sometimes the truth is painful and at other times it really hurts…!

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 10:31 AM

Seriously? That’s what you came up with?

Rogue Traveler on August 29, 2008 at 10:42 AM

Off topic…

Imagine that..!

For the longest time; I was thinking she’d appoint herself Senator from Alaska when Senator Stevens goes to jail.

Go, go Sarah, a real babe…!

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 10:47 AM

That is a nice popular liberal urban myth and nothing more. It gives you guys something to talk about over your soy milk shakes and arugala salad.

Hawthorne on August 29, 2008 at 9:37 AM

What the frack? I ask about an Executive Order I thought Bush put in place and you come back with an ad hominem attack.
I got to say that the more I read HA the more I’m ashamed to be counted as a conservative. I’m really getting to the point where I think that the conservatives of today are no longer who I want to be associated with.

jmarcure on August 29, 2008 at 10:48 AM

“Seriously? That’s what you came up with? Rogue Traveler on August 29, 2008 at 10:42 AM

Well, I ain’t no “M” Rogue Traveler, you rogue…!

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 11:03 AM

franksalterego on August 29, 2008 at 8:28 AM
+10

Anna on August 29, 2008 at 8:30 AM

+10 +1

meoky on August 29, 2008 at 11:07 AM

That is a nice popular liberal urban myth and nothing more. It gives you guys something to talk about over your soy milk shakes and arugala salad.

Hawthorne on August 29, 2008 at 9:37 AM

I’ll have to just add that you could have just stopped at “That is a nice popular liberal urban myth and nothing more.” And actually been somewhat informative but instead you choose to continue with a childish attack which has now placed you into my “worthless to read” category.

jmarcure on August 29, 2008 at 11:21 AM

So many comments that simply know very little other than Obama is The One…
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As President, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power. I’ll help our auto companies re-tool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America. I’ll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars. And I’ll invest 150 billion dollars over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy – wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels; an investment that will lead to new industries and five million new jobs that pay well and can’t ever be outsourced.

Tom_Shipley on August 29, 2008 at 7:55 AM
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Geez, I guess those hybrids we see on the roads here are just myths. And please, no more give-aways to the auto companies.
Let see, car loans to just anyone…isn’t that what got the mortgage business in trouble?
And invest money in anything? Oh yeah, more pork….just what we need.
Okay, and then for the really fantasy land statement…” five million new jobs that pay well and can’t ever be outsourced.” That is ridiculous…you cannot guarantee any jobs and certainly not guarantee they won’t be out-sourced. Oh unless you’re planning to go back to the WPA.

Deanna on August 29, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Hello, Mr. Obama…!

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008 at 9:06 AM

McCain wants to add $10B a year in spending
Obama wants to add $300B a year in spending on top of the record deficit projected for next year.

McCain wants the budget balanced in his first term.
Obama concedes he can’t do it in 2 terms.

Which is more like Bush, J Gocht?

And BTW- a recession is 2 quarters of contraction. Q2 grew at a healthy 3.3%.

Chuck Schick on August 29, 2008 at 12:31 PM

Obama made the same mistake that plagued the entire Democratic convention; he ran against George Bush. He railed about the previous eight years, which certainly is de rigeur for the party out of the White House, but failed to present any clear idea of what different policies he would apply.

J_Gocht on August 29, 2008

What you fail to understand is that Obama threw down the personal attack gauntlet (1/3 of his speech was attacking McCain’s policies and trying to tie him to Bush).
McCain had maybe two or three sentences attacking Obama (probably more praising him). When you throw out a personal attack, back it up…Obama couldn’t.
Unfortunately the link you gave me, you apparently only read a portion of it.
But then that doesn’t fit into your talking points.
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Tell me, you think we would be better off with Saddam still in power, don’t you?

right2bright on September 5, 2008 at 9:49 AM

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