Quote of the day
posted at 10:25 pm on August 29, 2008 by Allahpundit
“Here’s I fear the worst harm that may be done by this selection. The McCain campaign’s slogan is ‘country first.’ It’s a good slogan, and it aptly describes John McCain, one of the most self-sacrificing, gallant, and honorable men ever to seek the presidency.
But question: If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?”
Blowback
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Completely agree. Well said. Although I would say “most qualified” instead of “most experienced”.
This is what I have been saying. This pick was about winning the election. Ideally, McCain would have been able to pick the best person for the VP slot. But, because we are a society that does not always reward the best people for the position, he has to play the game to win the election. That’s fine. I was just looking for a little honesty with this fact. You provided it. Thank you.
Michael in MI on August 29, 2008 at 11:25 PM
(Sighs deeply) Enough of this “small town mayor” nonsense. Sarah Palin is the governor of Alaska. What experience did Frum’s man George W. Bush have prior to ascending to the White House? Oh that’s right, he was an untested governor of Texas.
Mike Honcho on August 29, 2008 at 11:25 PM
He’ll be on that if this pick catches fire enough.
The RNC has triple the money the DNC has…Barry was a vacuum as regards fundraising and dried up the DNC’s portion of the flow….dirty little secret Barry set records for personal campaign funding but Billy and Hilly still did better for Personal AND Party funds…if we pull even or ahead based on the convention McCain starts hammering the lower fights on the card.
sven10077 on August 29, 2008 at 11:26 PM
I like THIS PHOTO – Sarah Palin in July 2007, visiting Kuwait.
Keep in mind that Palin’s been a “life long” member of the NRA, hunts, fishes and owns guns (and she appears to know how to use them). That she has five children, a very happy looking husband and what appears to be the very happy family they’ve created together is another layer of complimentary aspects about Palin.
I can’t see what’s not to like about a PERSON such as this. Great, she’s a female, but, first off, she’s a capable person.
S on August 29, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Let me try this:
Palin SUCKS!
McCain is an idiot!
Obama is a friggin genius!
———-
There! Have I now established enough “street cred” to be a cool pundit?
FiveWays on August 29, 2008 at 11:27 PM
And I would add that the Palin pick takes care of the ticket so that House and Senate races don’t have to shy away from it. This will be even more helpful to GOP Congressional races than to McCain, I think.
progressoverpeace on August 29, 2008 at 11:28 PM
“If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?”
Better question: “If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested former state legislator, with 1 year of experience as a US Senator in the position to run for president of the US?”
Yeah, he’s been in the Senate for 3 years….about 2 years of which has been spent running for president.
GarandFan on August 29, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Picture is awesome.
Spirit of 1776 on August 29, 2008 at 11:28 PM
If Nobama and Biden were brave enough to face McCain and Palin in a debate I am sure that the candidates themselves would be able to answer the question of who had what kind of experience and qualifications. But until 0bama is 15 points down in the polls, which may be soon, the two big mouth Dem senators are content to hide beneath their desks waiting for an in the tank media member to ask them a softball question they have in advance.
Rush and Republicans were exstatic that 0bama picked Biden!
Rush was exstatic that McCain picked Palin!
Half the Dems are pissed that 0bama picked Biden!
All the Dems are pissed that McCain picked Palin!
Anymore dumb questions?
dhunter on August 29, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Right on.
mrsmwp on August 29, 2008 at 11:30 PM
If she can also shoot and cook a moose, yes.
profitsbeard on August 29, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Tis a much more defined line that separates a critic from a partisan- but you have managed to blur that line haven’t you.
FiveWays on August 29, 2008 at 11:31 PM
She had more executive experience as head of the PTA than BHO has now.
She’s hot, pro life, R-tick-U-let, and a fiscal reformer.
A conservative fantasy! Imagine her after 8 years of McCain in the White House. Maggie Thatcher II.
Mojave Mark on August 29, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Well Frum’s advice not long ago was to ‘recreate’ the republican party as a moderate centrist huge tent party. Sarah Palin has more principles in her finely turned ankles than Frum has ever demonstrated in his entire life. I like his ‘Axis of Evil’ phrase in that one state of the union address but everything else he says is RINO bupkus.
JonPrichard on August 29, 2008 at 11:34 PM
As for “credentials”, President Bush the Elder had a 400-page resume, a Yale education and vast business experience.
And still, he sucked. He couldn’t speak, and flubbed constantly.
The main problem was his (and his son’s) criminally pathetic lack of oratorical skills in presenting a solid conservative argument against an MSM that set out to destroy him.
In both cases, the MSM won.
With that background, Palin is the best chance we have had in well over a decade of presenting conservative values coherently and concisely.
All this bitching from the assholes at NRO means nothing to me at this point.
Romney was my original pick, but Huck and McCain teamed up and wiped him out.
Palin is good enough for me to place my faith in as a conservative.
TexasJew on August 29, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Love the pic btw…
The Ugly American on August 29, 2008 at 11:36 PM
If it looks good,
And it taste good,
And it feels good,
There has got to be something wrong some where,
So be careful.
Murphy9 on August 29, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Can’t we just wait and see what Palin has to offer? Gods. We’ve had 18 months of Obamamania spoon fed to us and now all the “experts” want to make thumbs up/thumbs down evaluation of this person.
I must be getting PPPTSD (Political Pundit Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome). I’m ready to throw them all off the roof!
Mr_Magoo on August 29, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Frum is David Brooks-lite. I don’t know why they let him hang around National Review Online.
The Principal Chair on August 29, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Yes! Tag team “Family Feud”-style 2 on 2 debate!
The Principal Chair on August 29, 2008 at 11:41 PM
This is nothing less than the totalitarian philosophy that the end justifies the means If ever there was a philosophy of government totally at war with that of the Founding Fathers, it is this one.
- Barry Goldwater
MB4 on August 29, 2008 at 11:42 PM
When the messiah was elected to the Illinois legislature Sarah Palin was serving in her fifth year as an elected official. The One has spent a grand sum total of 143 days actually working in his day job as a Senator. Just enough to send millions of dollars in pork to his bosses back in the Chicago machine.
The One keeps touting as one of his legislative accomplishments an ethics bill. One by the way that he only spent 2 days working on in reality. If you took his ethics bill and compared it to the one that Palin passed in Alaska you would be shocked how much better Palin’s is.
Also to keep the hits coming Palin has spent more time in the Iraq theater then the Anointed One. She also knows the difference between a battalion and a brigade as well as knowing that there are 50 States in the Union not 57.
Jdripper on August 29, 2008 at 11:42 PM
I simply can’t believe the Democrat syncopants are dumb enough to question the experience of Governor Palin when their candidate for the presidency has far less experience and is trying desperately to hide his past.
McCain your a genius, flush the quarry out and let your veep pick em off.
By the way anyone else notice how cranky 0bama and his press hacks have become in the last week? Could it be they know he should be way up, he can barely stay even, he got no bump from his coronation, and his speech didn’t even get reported on as McCain stole the spotlight from the obamabot press with a veep pick. Mathews and Olberdork are about cooked, ready for the insane asylum.
dhunter on August 29, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Whatever. This spurious experience issue cuts Obama worse than Palin. Palin is number 2 spot not like Obama. If something happened to McCain she can pull an Obama and pick a highly qualified Cheney figure to back her up.
elduende on August 29, 2008 at 11:43 PM
So good is bad?
There has got to be something wrong some where? Why?
And could the something wrong possibly be…….mmmmm….Obama?
FiveWays on August 29, 2008 at 11:44 PM
They are bitching and we aren’t.
What does that say?
They are toast, “lightly browned”
Kempermanx on August 29, 2008 at 11:45 PM
I think you are starting to lose focus. Much like the anti-Mitt people who claimed to be pro-life but mocked his change in position, here too we have a conservative (that even Michelle is behind) brought into the McCain inner circle. The consequences cannot be bad.
Spirit of 1776 on August 29, 2008 at 11:46 PM
I am not worried about Palin being an untested small-town mayor. She will be groomed as a VP and ready to take over McCain in case his position is vacated.
lurker9876 on August 29, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Thank the old man upstairs for small miracles.
wise_man on August 29, 2008 at 11:47 PM
This one’s a real killer, because the Obamatons had finally decided that his “ethics reform” was going to be their pat answer to the question of his accomplishments. Now they have nothing … again.
progressoverpeace on August 29, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Not so fast.
Say something more like a cool pundit…
And then… you know. Swing… your… hips … like a cool pundit.
Make them sway and flap your wings … like a cool pundit …
MB4 on August 29, 2008 at 11:48 PM
A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel.
- Robert Frost
FiveWays on August 29, 2008 at 11:50 PM
My father would be very disappointed in me. To have come all this way and miss my destiny by …… a foot.
MB4 on August 29, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Nah man. She’s from Alaska. Some of the days up there are six months long.
soundingboard on August 29, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Shine on you crazy diamond!
“….but it was only fantasy-
the wall was too high, as you can see-
no matter how he tried, he could not break free-
and the worms ate into his brain”
FiveWays on August 29, 2008 at 11:53 PM
A foot is as good as a mile.
FiveWays on August 29, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Allahpundit
Are you saying you would choose Joe Biden over Sarah Palin? Or Barack Obama over Sarah Palin?
Why?
mary jo on August 29, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Great…now were channeling Pink Floyd. :-)
coldwarrior on August 29, 2008 at 11:55 PM
I think the question is more like, would you put another self-serving, crappy lawyer/business man who hasn’t done a stinking think a heart beat away from the president.
bloggless on August 29, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Ah, we have a thread winner!
Is the mic on?
Attention, We have a thread winner
We have a thread winner
TheSitRep on August 29, 2008 at 11:55 PM
If you think in terms of a year, plant a seed; if in terms of ten years, plant trees; if in terms of 100 years, teach the people.
- Confucius
If you think in terms of 4 years, elect McCain; if in terms of 8 years, defeat McCain; if in terms of 12 years, start a new party.[updated]
- Confucius
MB4 on August 29, 2008 at 11:56 PM
No, he’s not. This is just a topic for discussion. Some of the QOD are absurdities or KO quotes, etc. The views of QOD do not necessarily reflect the views of management. AP said, “I haven’t cut a check for a candidate since 2004, but I’m suddenly inspired.”
Spirit of 1776 on August 29, 2008 at 11:56 PM
How about this Michael…
To begin with, he wanted someone as reform minded as he is. And, it helps that there isn’t lots of film floating around of her criticizing Mav-the problem that the dems have-like there would be if he had chosen one of his closest rivals. It doesn’t hurt that she is pro-life and highly respected for her “conservative, family, values” either!
Her experience is at least equal to Obama’s–especially if you subtract the time he’s spent running for POTUS from his current senate term!; I happen to believe her experience trumps his. And, for all the obfuscative mutterings about her experience, she’s only the veep, but O! is da man at the top of the ticket…
While some may be “apprehensive” about her taking over should some calamity befall Mav (God forbid), Obama will be in charge from day one; with that wacky guy Joe “Lets divide Iraq up into 3 pieces” Biden at his side nodding like the toy dog in the back window of a car! And, should anything bad happen, she has executive experience-something Glibama doesn’t have, or can’t admit to since doing so will involve Bill Ayers; I trust that she would have the judgement to surround herself with good advisors for council.
What you, Frum, and most others, don’t seem to realize is that this is a dream ticket. Instead of focusing on her gender, instead of her merits, you should take a look at the larger picture…
Both she and Mav are not lawyers, but are ordinary citizens with extraordinary backgrounds, who desire to serve causes greater than themselves (instead of just talking about it like O!)and will put their country ahead of themselves, their own interests, and the interests, ideology, and dogma of their respective parties.
I think the public will recognize who are the authentic Americans; and who are the elitist, high-falutin’, trial lawyers! And they’ll know who they should trust…
Mav/Palin are the kind of leaders that the founders of our country envisioned. Not the parvenu Obama and the professional politician Biden. The American people can discern the difference between the rascals and the righteous, between the selfless servent and the craven celebrity, and between the noble and the narcissists. Mav and Palin will appeal to “regular” Americans in the fall because those citizens will recognize their own…
RocketmanBob on August 29, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Hey you,
out there in the cold,
Getting lonely,
getting old
Can you feel me?
FiveWays on August 29, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Agreed. Nicely done, dhunter .
wise_man on August 29, 2008 at 11:58 PM
If you are looking long-term then VP pick is crucial. So a young and dynamic pick is the default face of the party. The two leaders after this election will be Mitt and Sarah. And why do you think Confucius would argue with that?
Spirit of 1776 on August 29, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Spirit of 1776 on August 29, 2008 at 11:14 PM
I just wanted to say that I appreciate this post. Much better toned than the people who see my comments and automatically call me a troll or think I’m not a Rush Limbaugh conservative. That kind of crap is why I have the attitude I have nowadays towards the cheerleaders of the GOP I encounter in comment threads here, as opposed to the AmeriCAN-DO Attitude that I used to have (and which was what I named my personal blog).
While I think your arguments have much merit (and again, I stress that I like Sarah Palin and actually have a little faith in her), Sarah Palin is not running against Obama, McCain is… and McCain is ultimately the President, not her. And people seem to forget that we are forecasted to be headed towards a supermajority for Democrats in the Senate and the House. Do you believe McCain is going to fight them? I don’t. And no matter what Palin thinks, she is going to be taking orders from McCain, not the other way around. If McCain wants to do his typical Maverick thing of joining Democrats in crappy bi-partisan bills, then he will do it, no matter where Palin stands on the issues.
I can take a little comfort in your arguments of Palin being the future of the GOP, however, that is only if McCain and Palin knock things out of the park during their first 4 years in office. If they can’t get things done, then 2012 is set up perfectly again for Democrats. 2008 was set up perfectly for them, but they seem to have botched it by nominating Obama instead of Hillary. The unbeatable ticket would have been Hillary-Obama, but they messed up that completely.
I’m just going by what I hear from coworkers, friends and family in my small circle. I am one of only a few in my circle who is actually conservative. Most of the rest of my circle are Democrats and hate Republicans and are tired of/hate President Bush and would vote for a piece of rubber dog poop over any Republican. So all I hear from them is how much the Republicans have screwed things up and messed up the economy and how we need Democrats to fix things. Some of them are even for Universal Healthcare. So this is what we are fighting against.
Again, I herald the career of Palin, but by reading the comments today, I would think that it was Palin running against Obama, instead of McCain. McCain is still the top of the ticket. Choosing Palin did not erase his bad policy positions. So when I go to try to convince my democrat friends to vote for McCain, they are not going to buy the reason as “because his VP is good!” The policies of McCain and Obama are at issue here, not Biden and Palin.
We’ll see how this plays out. I was pleasantly and greatly surprised with McCain choosing Palin. But I was just immediately turned off by the reaction from many cheerleaders who now act like the race is Palin vs Obama instead of still being McCain vs Obama.
Michael in MI on August 29, 2008 at 11:59 PM
What’s with all this sexist crap not giving her credit for being GOVERNOR of Alaska? If these people were talking about a man, there would be none of this mayor stuff. They would give a man who was Governor the proper respect and call him Governor. Knock off the crap, guys!!!
bloggless on August 29, 2008 at 11:59 PM
FiveWays on August 29, 2008 at 11:57 PM
–
Time to dig out my “Dark Side of the Moon” CD and put on the “Wizard of Oz” DVD.
coldwarrior on August 30, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Defeating McCain will automatically result in 8 years?
Obama will go undefeated twice? Really?
FiveWays on August 30, 2008 at 12:01 AM
It is rather demeaning to Obama, I would think, for the Obama camp to be comparing his experience to our V.P. nominee’s. I mean, how stupid.
bloggless on August 30, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Frum turns on everyone sooner or later. I don’t much care what he says.
Terrye on August 30, 2008 at 12:02 AM
I understand your sentiment but that is not true. GW was a second term Gov when he ran for POTUS in 2000.
Texas Gal on August 30, 2008 at 12:03 AM
She’s not a mayor of a small town anymore than Obama is a dabbler in the white stuff.
bloggless on August 30, 2008 at 12:03 AM
There is no way in hell the American people will elect Obama.
If they do, you might as well hang it up. it’s game over for the U.S. as we know it.
Barbarians at the gate man!
TheSitRep on August 30, 2008 at 12:03 AM
I prefer “The Wall”
When the Tigers Broke Free:
It was just before dawn
One miserable morning in black ‘forty four.
When the forward commander
Was told to sit tight
When he asked that his men be withdrawn.
FiveWays on August 30, 2008 at 12:05 AM
A new party? I swear, I think the Democrats hired people to pretend to be conservatives. Their job? Go out and convince Republicans that the way to win is to lose. yeah, that is the ticket.
The Republicans lost in 2006, how’s that working for everybody so far?
Terrye on August 30, 2008 at 12:05 AM
You know what I don’t see in the photo that adorns this post? Cankles.
phronesis on August 30, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Maybe because either McCain or Obama will be the one leader after this election.
Maybe by election you mean the whole 4 or 8 years of the next President, but then God only knows what the situation will be then, and SaintOlaf has not revealed what God has said yet.
MB4 on August 30, 2008 at 12:08 AM
The local news here reports that McCain’s choice is about experience. I think it’s more about making McCain more palatable to the conservative voter. I couldn’t be happier with the choice of Palin as veep.
It takes the wind out the the sails of the Obama camp and make the democratic convention forgettable.
Kini on August 30, 2008 at 12:10 AM
I really don’t like lawyer presidents. I’m willing to think that McCain and Plain want to serve causes greater than themselves. But McCain absolutely wants to be president, because its the pinnacle of power in politics. He’s mentioned several times that presidential ambition can only be cured with embalming fluid. Palin just a few months ago dismissed being VP when asked. And the democrats and the press (much the same, actually) are trying to use this against her. I would think that, when you read her story of starting with the PTA, being Mayor and then Governor, that she probably isn’t in it for the power.
And that most Americans will see this as such, and pick them over someone like Obama who reportedly told his friends of his presidential ambition and the career politician Joe Biden. And again, McCain is also a career politician, but his history of doing what he believes in – is a stark contrast to how Clinton acted as president. Such as conducting a focus group and deciding policy on what was popular at the time. When a president should act on what he believes in his mind and his heart what is right.
wise_man on August 30, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Well to not think that you are a Rush Limbaugh conservative would be a compliment in my book, as you are much smarter than him and not nearly as concerned with raising your bank account.
MB4 on August 30, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Country First, that is what she is, she turned down the bridge to nowhere and STOPPED IT, when she could have easily accepted it. She put her Country First.
Chakra Hammer on August 30, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Ummagumma
Kini on August 30, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Well, I think it was more of her being fiscally responsible.
The mark of the true conservative.
Kini on August 30, 2008 at 12:13 AM
“But question: If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?”
Given the choice between an “untested small-town mayor” (but an executive position nonetheless) and someone who’s credentials show little experience overall, no job-performance successes, and a general pattern of failure / non-performance (as a legislator, and as a hired, not elected, executive), I’ll take the small-town mayor.
And if the small-town mayor managed to get elected Governor and serve most/all of a term (before being selected as a candidate for VP), I’d congratulate the Presidential candidate for a choice well made.
Arbalest on August 30, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Lets obsess over Obama’s death.. How long before we get thrown in jail or be called racists?
Chakra Hammer on August 30, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Momentary Lapse of Reason..
as for the older stuff..
can’t go wrong with any of it..
‘The Wall’ still a favorite.
So ya thought ya might like to go to the show.
To feel the warm thrill of confusion, that space cadet glow.
I got me some bad news for you, Sunshine.
Pink isn’t well, he stayed back at the hotel,
And he sent us along as a surrugate band.
We’re gonna find out where you fans really stand.
DaveC on August 30, 2008 at 12:17 AM
ahhh MB4 and Michael in MI are getting cuddly. How sweet.
Terrye on August 30, 2008 at 12:18 AM
I wasn’t born to walk on water
I wasn’t born to sack and slaughter
But on my soul, I wasn’t born
To stoop, to scorn, and knuckle under
A man can learn to steal some thunder
A man can learn to work some wonder
And when the guantlet’s down,
It’s time to rise and climb the sky
And soon the moon will smoulder
And the winds will drive
Yes, a man grows older but his soul remains alive
All those tremulous stars still glitter
And I will survive!
Let my heart grow colder and as bitter as a falcon in the dive
There was a dream, a dying ember
There was a dream, I don’t remember
But I will resurrect that dream
Though rivers stream and hills grow steeper
For here in hell where life gets cheaper
Oh, here in hell the blood runs deeper
And when the final duel is near
I’ll lift my spear and fly
Piercing into the sky and higher
And the strong will thrive
Yes, the weak will cower while the fittest will survive
If we wait for the darkest hour
Till we spring alive
Then with claws of fire, we devour like a falcon in the dive
BlakeneyP on August 30, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Maybe they are the same person? hmmm.
Terrye on August 30, 2008 at 12:18 AM
First of all, you don’t have to convince me to like Palin on the merits. I already like her. But the fact is that she is not running for President. Maverick is. I don’t like Maverick. Having Ronald Reagan as his VP does not change him from a Maverick to all of a sudden good again.
Next, I lost faith in the American voting public when I saw John Kerry garner the most votes in history for a Presidential candidate (save for President Bush) in 2004. Then I saw the American voting public fall for the Democrats’ lies and vote to give them power in both houses of Congress in 2006. So that is from where my pessimism originates.
Now, in addition to that, even if McCain wins, as everyone knows, he is a Maverick and had sided with the Democrats on most big issues (save the war effort) since he lost the GOP noination in 2000. So we have him combined with a supermajority Democrat Senate and House and I just don’t see where Palin comes in to save the day somehow? Sure, they are both better than Obama. I don’t deny that. I just don’t see any reason to get so hip hip hooRAY! excited simply because we have a good VP who gets to stand by and take orders from Maverick.
I’m sorry, I just can’t get excited. Yes, the more I learn about Palin, the more and more I respect and like her and am glad McCain chose her for his running mate. But, in the big picture, I just don’t see anything to get excited about yet.
Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Forget them, they are irrelevant. A man that praises everything has an opinion that is worthless.
The American Can do attitude is very much a part of Palin’s appeal and the energetic response exhibited today. She isn’t a coastal elite, she isn’t a political family, she’s a pta mom who kept taking on bigger and bigger problems, and she’s done it with some impressive conviction.
Just a suggestion. The Dem theme is McCain = Bush; as you said Bush fatigue. It is worth noting and you might mention that this VP selection sued the Bush administration. That’s not more of the same.
Yes, I understand, I agree. But the VP is the future of the ticket. McCain could have left the ticket in dire position with Liebs etc. But he didn’t. He said, with this pick, that the future of the R party IS a conservative future. Maybe that wasn’t his full intent, but it is the effect.
Yes, that’s true enough. But is it better to have a conservative voice in his ear or not? Let me put it this way, does, for example, Fred as AG not improve his administration in your eyes? The people around him will matter.
One more comment. The democrats do not have the ability to easily win elections nation-wide. Clinton needed a 3 way split. Their power in Presidential elections is, I think, overstated. If Palin loses in 08 on a McCain ticket, it won’t hurt her. If they win and the next 4 are bad, it won’t hurt her then too much either especially after conservatives invested in her as the future already.
No problem. My intent is to discuss ideas, not toss barbs.
Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2008 at 12:19 AM
You’re just upset because we didn’t invite you in for a threesome.
MB4 on August 30, 2008 at 12:20 AM
Like I said, you appear to be losing focus. If you are looking to the future, then this latest comment doesn’t fit that theme. If you are looking to the present, then your Confucius comment doesn’t fit. It’s tough to be down on her, isn’t it? Cheer up though. Mac will probably do something stupid like visit La Raza next week.
Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2008 at 12:21 AM
No, no, Dave. I’d be much more comfortable putting a charlatan, race hustler directly in the Oval Office, on the strength of a hit job on his Senate opponent by a liberal newspaper, and the clandestine support of a network of criminals in the Chicago Democrat political ward system, led by Rich “Squeaky” Daley.
That makes a lot more sense. Nitwit.
Jaibones on August 30, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Ok, I’m sitting here watching H&C and they (of course) are going on about WWPD (What Would Palin Do) if she becomes POTUS.
Now wouldn’t she get to appoint a VP at that point? (That’s actually a question.) Couldn’t she pick someone with a lot of experience? Wouldn’t that end up being the same as Biden advising Obama – who has no experience? So what’s the problem?
It’s not like she’ll be making decisions in a vacuum and at that point she would actually have more experience then Obama.
Mr_Magoo on August 30, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Picking Palin is a nod to conservatives that I never thought I would see out of McCain. If he was able to do that (and he did it very well) then I am much more optimistic that he might be pliable in the issues for which I am very concerned about his positions. If not, then we will fight them when we come to them, but I like what this pick says about McCain and I’m very happy to be able to say that.
progressoverpeace on August 30, 2008 at 12:25 AM
Everything has a morale, if only you can find it.
You have got to be kidding me. The Republican party’s nominee for President doing something as un-American as that? You must be losing focus.
MB4 on August 30, 2008 at 12:27 AM
Heheh, well I don’t know about that. All I know is that I started my foray into learning about American politics by listening to his show starting back after 9/11/2001. I learned a lot from him and then took the initiative to do my own research and studying and learning on my own. I probably agree with his sentiments 75-90% of the time. But what really keeps me a big fan of his is his optimism and seemingly genuine love of this country and love of conservatism. Sure, he’s in the business, but I don’t believe he is faking his conservatism.
That said, part of my fall from optimism was due in part to listening to him and putting such faith in the American people as he does. I felt like I had been punched in the gut in 2006 when the Democrats won Congress. I believed Rush when he said the American people were smart enough to realize the Democrats were lying. But we all woke up the next day to see that the American people were NOT smart enough. Then I looked back to 2004 and saw that John F. Kerry received so many votes. And then I saw the GOP fight against Amnesty, only to turn around and nominate John McCain. That did it in for me. I was tired of believing in the American people and then just getting let down time and time again.
I still enjoy Rush’s show and his take on things, but I have stopped sharing his optimism.
Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 12:29 AM
I see. Your point is a koan. It only appears contradictory is one isn’t a Zen master. Cleared that up, thanks.
Heh. No, I just take the positives as positives. There is enough bad already, no need to spin positives to negatives. I’ll leave that that for the liberals to do.
Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Are you new around here? You obviously were not around for the go arounds MB4 and I used to have with regards to his negativity with regards to the war effort in Iraq and my optimism with regards to it.
But hey, go on personally demeaning people simply because they hold a different political view from yourself. That will surely win people to your side!
Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Untested??? Untested?
And Obama is…… tested? Really?!
4shoes on August 30, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Pink Floyd and today’s politics:
“Meddle”
One of these days
I’m going to cut you into little pieces – Jessie Jackson comment about Obama
“Animals” – Dogs
And you believe at heart, everyone’s a killer. – it’s all about Bush
“Momentary Lapse of Reason” – Learning to Fly
There’s no sensation to compare with this
Suspended animation, A state of bliss – Exuberance for Obama
“Division Bell” – Lost for Words
So I open my door to my enemies
And I ask could we wipe the slate clean
But they tell me to please go fuck myself
You know you just can’t win – McCain’s democrat friends
Pretty much close to the carpet I’s say.
Kini on August 30, 2008 at 12:33 AM
It’s a tactical victory.
1. Obama’s Big Speech got shunted to the side, dampening its impact.
2. Palin isn’t “another boring white guy”
3. Palin isn’t a run-of-the-mill “woman” candidate; she’s Teddy Roosevelt reincarnated as a woman.
4. Palin had the Obama campaign stepping over itself with mixed messages.
5. Palin is Geraldine Ferraro’s way to get back at Obama.
6. Palin isn’t Romney (hated by some), Huck (hated by most), Lieberman (McCain’s dream VP, but ONLY his), Ridge, or Pawlenty.
7. None of the VP finalists are off the reservation at the moment (though Huckabee is still sniping at Romney).
8. Whether Palin lives up to the hype remains to be seen. I think the big thing is relief that open war didn’t break out between pro-[] and anti-[] factions. Palin changed the subject completely.
She’s a risk, and she’s at risk – the early comments against her are pretty brutal. but she doesn’t look fazed, which is encouraging.
The big thing to me is that it improves the chances of the lesser evil (McCain) getting into the White House instead of the greater evil (O’Biden). it’s not much, but it’s something.
sulla on August 30, 2008 at 12:35 AM
This is all cyclical my friend.
The Dems have pushed the pendulum far to the left- a self correction is not far off.
Why do you think a “conservative” pick like Palin has caused so much excitement with the base while taking the Dems/media by surprise?
Maverick could have turned a deaf ear towards the base- but he didn’t.
Why? Because the conservative base STILL has considerable power. Don’t buy into all the popular spin.
FiveWays on August 30, 2008 at 12:37 AM
I don’t think they give her credit enough.
Kini on August 30, 2008 at 12:38 AM
The only talk show host that I can listen to for long these days is Michael Savage. The others just repeat the same things over and over and over, and these days it’s just Obama, Obama, Obama, over and over and over, probably as they can’t figure out much of anything good to say about McCain, maybe that is why they are probably, for the moment anyway, going hog wild about Palin.
Savage is eclectic and the rest are obsessive and prosaic.
MB4 on August 30, 2008 at 12:40 AM
You know, this is actually a good point. He picked none of the other presidential candidates, so now he won’t have to deal with any in the base who were against those candidates (or for and now are annoyed that their man only got the VP slot). Prevented ‘open war’ as you said. Shrewd move.
I still figure that McCain is going to govern as a Maverick, no matter who was his VP, but at least he showed some shrewdness in trying to win the election.
Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 12:41 AM
Barrack Obama- Death On Two Legs
You suck my blood like a leech
You break the law and you preach
Screw my brain till it hurts
You’ve taken all my money
And you want more
Misguided old mule with your pig headed rules
With your narrow minded cronies
Who are fools of the first division
Death on two legs
You’re tearing me apart
Death on two legs
You’ve never had a heart of your own
Kill joy bad guy big talking small fry
You’re just an old barrow boy
Have you found a new toy to replace me?
Can you face me?
But now you can kiss my ass goodbye
Feel good are you satisfied?
Do you feel like suicide?
(I think you should)
Is your conscience all right
Does it plague you at night?
Do you feel good feel good?
You talk like a big business tycoon
You’re just a hot air balloon
So no one gives you a damn
You’re just an overgrown schoolboy
Let me tan your hide
A dog with disease
You’re the king of the ’sleaze’
Put your money where your mouth is
Mister know-all
Was the fin on your back
Part of the deal? (shark)
Death on two legs
You’re tearing me apart
Death on two legs
You’ve never had a heart (you never did) of your own
(right from the start)
Insane you should be put inside
You’re a sewer rat decaying in a cesspool of pride
Should be made unemployed
Then make yourself null and void
Make me feel good I feel good
- Queen “A Night At The Opera”
FiveWays on August 30, 2008 at 12:41 AM
McCain has been moving right for the last month. His choice of Palin reinforces his maverick theme and conservative credentials. They both emphasize reform.
In my view, they each have a role now in consolidating themselves as leaders of the Republican Party, not just President and VP.
Palin needs to come out and say she intends to walk in the footsteps of Reagan.
McCain needs to tell the voters to give him a Republican Congress and he will do as much as can be done to clean up Washington. If they want reform, then they must vote for a Republican Congress.
If each of them performs the assigned task, the party will be consolidated around McCain NOW, and around Palin for the future.
Then we’ll see an electoral landslide.
texette on August 30, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Yes, that’s why the conservative base could do nothing to get a conservative at the top of the ticket.
Sorry, that was a good try, but no one is going to console me on my pessimism after the big Amnesty fight turned into the GOP nominating McCain. If conservatives still had power, McCain would have been out of the picture long ago.
Michael in MI on August 30, 2008 at 12:44 AM
If only you knew what I know.
KentAllard on August 30, 2008 at 12:44 AM
Aside from the excellent points posted, Palin brings and even stronger and more direct contrast to this election.
Think about it, what IS the actually job of VP? Answer- preside over the Senate. Palin, in her executive rolls and stunning record of achievement is uniquely suited to this position.
Now, contrast that her to Pelosi. HAHAHAHA.
- Palin sells State Gov. plane and puts 3 million back in the budget. At the same time, Pelosi was demanding her larger and less fuel efficient sky-yacht.
- Palin has actually achieved a comprehensive conservation and energy reform and production plans. Pelosi banned voting on them.
- Pelosi preaches about saving the planet; Palin has been directly involved with the most complex environmental protection processes in the country.
- Palin’s State produces the bulk of domestic energy, Pelosi’s state and leadership has reduced energy production for the rest of the country.
Palin would be an absolute goddess opposite Pelosi, in every way imaginable.
Damiano on August 30, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Oh do cheer up people. Even though I haven’t read every single message above….we’re alrighht, relax. We’re OK, they’re sick as parrots. Time for bed, and BTW John McCain, how’d you learn to kiss like that???
Sllluuuurrrrrpp…sucking porridge through a straw baby…
Fortunata on August 30, 2008 at 12:49 AM
I don’t recall any viable conservatives running- and the Dems launched the original operation chaos to get Maverick in.
But hey- I would never dream of trying to seperate you from your pessimism. I’ll never come between a man and his cancer.
But still- why did Maverick pick Palin again?
FiveWays on August 30, 2008 at 12:49 AM
“Country first” is a wonderful theme, in so many ways, and so appropriate for obvious and subtle reasons.
Indeed. It’s also said that those who like everything are not very discerning.
Obama is off the top of Drudge, thus off the top of all the news.
The media had intentionally hidden the temple setting. It turns out that the McCain/Palin announcement engulfed the temple and the speech, and the entire ‘deliverance’.
The phoniest thing Obama said last night was “I’m not doing this for me, I’m doing this for you”. I still hear the cadence ringing in my ears.
Hillary, if she’d be the one, would have chosen him as VP, to win.
He, knowing full well that he’d win all the liberals with her, didn’t choose her, knowing also full well how untrusted the two of them would have been by the conservatives adn the independents, especially after Russia/Georgia. Thus, to cover his nakid foreign policy derière, he chose Biden. It exposed how unprepared he really is.
The race, Michael in Michigan is right, is about McCain versus Obama. The VP picks are significant, but ultimately it comes down to the top person.
There are a few things that are very interesting about the Palin pick, though:
Mitt Romnewy is now free to take two superjobs, much needed for the country, Secretary of Energy, and Czar of the Economy.
Fred Thompson for AG, or SoS, or Press Chief. Superb for either.
Huckabee for Communications Director. No, I’m not kidding.
The timing of the Palin announcement, the headfake of the liberals, media included, were all brilliant.
The founding fathers w/b proud. They did not envision our country to be run by Utopian idealistic, highly educated pontificators.
The Palin husband is part of a union.
The Palin family looks and acts real and any American can connect with them instantly.
The identity politics mantra used by the left is sweeter than molasses, the hypocrisy being so thick, even if it’s true.
The conservatives are making history, while the liberals are driving the misery factor into the skies.
Contrast the Biden speech on the day he was unveiled to the Palin speech today. The one was brimstone and fire, the latter was elegance, humility and grace. I even heard “I appointed Democrats”, and “bipartisanship”.
And, lest you think that I don’t know that Palin has shortcomings, worry not, Nancy Pelosi is third in line.
Entelechy on August 30, 2008 at 12:49 AM
I won’t try to console you, but I will point out two things. Open primaries create an altered outcome. And second, this year had some interesting developments that allowed McCain to vault to the top. Namely the division of conservatives among Fred, Mitt, and Huck while Rudy loaned his voters to McCain until Florida, by which time McCain had built momentum and Crist supported him. Which mattered.
Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2008 at 12:50 AM
Dude. You’re a career Hothead. you know it’s always dingos.
Pardon my nit-pick.
soundingboard on August 30, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Formatted like an Indy Conservative post, but we’ll let that slide (I kid) because the points are so good. I especially agree with: The Palin family looks and acts real and any American can connect with them instantly. That is a valuable asset.
Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2008 at 12:54 AM
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