Heart-ache: Palin wants creationism taught in public schools? Update: Oh noes, Pat Buchanan!
posted at 8:46 pm on August 29, 2008 by Allahpundit
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If you read Wired? Yes. If you read LGF and get the full context of what she said? No. That makes twice already today that quotes of hers were bowdlerized to make them more nutroots-friendly.
Lot o’ debunking to do before November 4.
In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:
“I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum.”
She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum.
Members of the state school board, which sets minimum requirements, are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the Legislature.
“I won’t have religion as a litmus test, or anybody’s personal opinion on evolution or creationism,” Palin said.
That puts her to Jindal’s left, actually. Here’s a bit more, unquoted by LGF, from the Anchorage Daily News article Charles links to:
Palin said she thought there was value in discussing alternatives.
“It’s OK to let kids know that there are theories out there,” she said in the interview. “They gain information just by being in a discussion.”
That was how she was brought up, she said. Her father was a public school science teacher.
“My dad did talk a lot about his theories of evolution,” she said. “He would show us fossils and say, ‘How old do you think these are?’”
I don’t know how to parse all that — she’s happy to let it come up in classroom discussion so long as it’s introduced by kids’ questions and not the teacher himself, I guess — but as long as she doesn’t want to add it to the curriculum I can’t believe she’ll have any problem with independents. In any case, creationism’s not what this election’s about. What this election’s about is whether Palin supported a guy nine years ago who’s still — tragically — so mainstream that you can’t turn on MSNBC or Fox News without stumbling across him. Ben Smith cites old press reports indicating that Palin backed Steve Forbes in 1999, but Buchanan, ever eager to slay the neocon dragon even if it means blaming Churchill for World War II, evidently claimed on Hardball tonight that she was one of his. I can’t wait for the “Countdown” segment explaining why anyone who would associate with Pat Buchanan is unfit for office, followed immediately by yet another 20-minute pundit roundtable featuring Pat Buchanan.
Update: A crucial news bulletin: Palin never actually donated to Buchanan but may have been at a fundraiser for him 12 years ago. Ergo, she hates Jews. I literally laughed aloud at the thought of Chris Matthews trying to paint her as a hatemonger with the hatemonger-in-chief sitting right across from him on his own show.
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I like how the evolutionists call it “creationism,” y’know they put this “ism” on the end to signify belief. Well, there’s no proof life came from non-living matter (ie, spontaneous generation) so they need to start calling their own “faith” or “religion,” “evolutionism,” or stop including it in books of science.
apacalyps on August 29, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Are you voting for McCain/Palin in November? How about a truce until then?
phronesis on August 29, 2008 at 9:54 PM
God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God
creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs.
TheBigOldDog on August 29, 2008 at 9:54 PM
They are probably paying that much now alphie under the bad joke that’s called public education. Except the kids don’t get an education, they only get indoctrination. Close the public schools and sell the buildings to the highest bidders. Privatize the entire system and cut taxes associated with education.
Now the parents have the money to send their kids to a private school where competition between the schools insures they do a good job or go out of business. And the parents have a say in their children’s education again. America had the finest schools on the planet before the government took over, now I doubt we are in the top fifty.
Schools have become dangerous places where children are propagandized with the latest political fads. There is no room for God or prayer. There is no mention of right or wrong. Kids are taught they came from primordial slime.
If it turns out to be more expensive, which I doubt, then so be it. It’s the difference between your kids having an education or not.
Maxx on August 29, 2008 at 9:55 PM
carbon_footprint on August 29, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Wow… I have got to hand it to the lefties. All this time, I had dismissed them as a party of entitlement freak hippies that I expected nothing from other than recycled Kennedy speeches, Bush bashing and voter fraud. Other than that, they usually seemed too stoned to actually do anything of value.
Yet today, in less than 8 hours, they have managed to grab non-stop air time to cover every conceivable rumor about a woman no one cared about until noon today. It’s incredible. To think- we’ve gone nearly 2 years without a substantive discussion on experience as it relates to the Presidency and be limited to underground rumblings about 20+ year associations with confirmed terrorists, over-the-top racists, and convicted felons. Conversely, within mere hours, the entire media is abuzz; criticizing Palin’s experience(that exceeds Obama’s by every measure), child rearing responsibilities, associations, belief system, who she fired…
Wow. Lefties, I am impressed. You have managed cover every angle of a VP pick in 8 hours but have ignored every aspect of each of these arguments related to your own candidate for President for over 18 months and your VP nominee for weeks.
If we could have even half the discussion about Obama’s credentials and background that Palin has undergone, this might actually resemble an election.
Damiano on August 29, 2008 at 9:59 PM
I like Palin and don’t think her statements on evolution seem like a big deal.
Discussing ID along with evolution isn’t a bad idea. One of the first discussions in high school biology could include: What is required for something to be considered a “scientific theory”? In what ways do ID and Common Descent meet or not meet those criteria?
dedalus on August 29, 2008 at 10:01 PM
If Christian creationists were to identify a gene that causes them to be born that way, could they finally be shown the tolerance now afforded to other groups?
Buck Farack on August 29, 2008 at 10:01 PM
+1
Adam Dunnesque my friend that ball is outta here!
Anyone that ever thinks there is no pc or bias in the press can’t reason through these facts.
sven10077 on August 29, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Rich people pay all the taxes in America, right, Maxx?
Poor and Middle class American families couldn’t afford to educate their own kids if they had to pay for it themselves.
alphie on August 29, 2008 at 10:02 PM
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jesus Christ.
John 3:18-20
maynila on August 29, 2008 at 10:03 PM
we might even be allowed to marry in peace….
*wink*
sven10077 on August 29, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Public schools are a progressive tax. If you get rid of them and the taxes the quality of each child’s education will depend on the ability of the parents to pay.
dedalus on August 29, 2008 at 10:05 PM
who told you that lie?
Quite the contrary the rich pay the vast majority of US income taxes…..
of course the donks are addicted to rather regressive taxation schemes for States, Counties, Townships and Municipalities…..
add in a 35% corporate tax and we are taxed on tax on tax
but hey they at least raised minimum wage some…..(pretty odd how prices jumped at once)
sven10077 on August 29, 2008 at 10:05 PM
we built one of the best engineering generations in world history with farm schools, private schools, and religious schools…..
we spend far more today for far less excellence.
sven10077 on August 29, 2008 at 10:06 PM
If Palin wants creationism taught in public schools I say, great! However, I think the public school system is so broken that it can’t be fixed, in which case I think creationists should start fighting to get evolution OUT of the schools. There is no proof for evolution. It’s rubbish, rubbish, and nothing but rubbish. So we need to organize and ask why is it being taught? Why are my tax dollars being used to pay for somebody else’s religion to be taught to my children? Folks, if you wanna win this, instead of trying to get creation included in the schools try to get evolution out of the schools. And if parents want to teach their children they evolved from a rock they can send their kids to private schools. Same with the creationists. Send their kids to private schools that teach creation. But, the way it is now it’s not fair for the evolutionist to get his religion taught to everybody in public schools and paid for by you and your tax dollars.
apacalyps on August 29, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Something could be set up for the truly poor alphie. I’m not advocating no-money… no education for your kids. But the public schools are a travesty of education.
All Americans should not have to suffer sub-standard education for their children just because poor people exist that cannot afford to send their kids to school.
Whatever amount of my tax annual taxes paid that goes toward public education is an amount of money forcefully taken from me for which I receive no service. I don’t have kids in the public schools and I’m just old fashioned enough to believe I shouldn’t have to pay for services I don’t receive.
We need to get back to pay-as-you-go systems, this is the only way to make schools accountable to the “customers.”
Collectivist thought that says we must all bear the burden of failing public schools because some people can’t afford to send there kids to school is killing this country. Socialism is bad, free enterprise is good. That is another lesson that is no longer taught in our public schools.
Maxx on August 29, 2008 at 10:15 PM
The official poverty line for a family of four is currently $21,200 a year, sven.
So they cough up $20,000 to pay for their kid’s “christian” education and live comfortably on the remaining $1200 a year?
You’re as out of touch with reality as McCain and Palin are…
alphie on August 29, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Don’t know that you could put the genie back in the bottle. The quality of the child’s household was more stable then. Also, many of the religious schools no longer exist. Today, the cost for elementry and secondary private education is so high that it out of reach for most Americans if you have two or more kids, unless it is subsidized.
I think there should be some form of privatization or competition between public schools. Eliminating the tax, though, and making everyone pay individually, would affect equality among kids.
dedalus on August 29, 2008 at 10:17 PM
One of us can’t read.
Vouchers for the amount of the local, and hard life choices on what quality of education your descendants deserve.
The system would eventually want intelligent kids who do well on tests, that would lead to scholarships.
Why are donks so afraid of a merit-based reality comrade Ralphie?
sven10077 on August 29, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Why won’t Liberals support a voucher system that would allow these poor children to attend private schools? Why do Liberals hate poor children so much?
TheBigOldDog on August 29, 2008 at 10:22 PM
How about if the schools just teach what kids need to know in order to survive and be successful in this world.
Start by learning how to balance a checkbook.
Second, American history and civics – without the liberal slander that is being taught today in schools.
Science, mathematics, reading and comprehension – not global warming – except to point out the what hypocrisy and carbon credits have in common. Define for me little Johnny what a manbearpig is?
Just the facts mam!
Kini on August 29, 2008 at 10:24 PM
That was Ralphies spiel not mine. I was just pointing out that very system worked for a long time. I support 100% full “student value” vouchers for every child.
Woman has 3 kids she gets x*3(having to be spent equally per child)….
if by age 12 a parent decides the child would be better served getting a trade, why by golly send the child to a trade academy.
Our “education” system is a world joke not because we don’t spend enough, we spend to the 9s, it is a joke because we neither demand enough nor use it effectively enough.
regards,
sven
sven10077 on August 29, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Vouchers are just an excuse to funnel taxpayer money to corrupt preachers and “consultants,” sven.
Merit has nothing to do with Republican privitization plans.
We’d get “quality” schools from those Texas rubes who install showers that kill our troops in Iraq for $1,000,000 a pop.
alphie on August 29, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Solution: After we privatize all schools and cut taxes accordingly we could give vouchers to those who can’t afford to send their kids to school. Problem solved.
Maxx on August 29, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Better it get funneled to corrupt public employees, their unions and politicians right Alphie? I mean, who cares if the children never really get the education they deserve so long as the hacks are happy, right?
TheBigOldDog on August 29, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Show me.
Your offspring are a big motivator and in the end it is not the role of the state in a free society to inflict one size fits all solutions to every problem. If a parent wants to hamstring his child so be it. I am certain there are moonbats that would make their kids as nuerotic as Woody Allen on doom and gloom.
As long as they keep it behind closed doors and not harming my family not my business.
sven10077 on August 29, 2008 at 10:30 PM
I’d agree with something along those lines. I like the trade part.
Currently, there are too many school districts each duplicating administrative overhead. Each school district has a monopoly over the residents of their town.
Something that injects more accountability and competition would help with the quality of education and help to lower costs.
dedalus on August 29, 2008 at 10:31 PM
As bad as John McCain is on the issues, I believe that Barack Hussein Obama is worse. And I think we have a choice between two very bad candidates. One of the issues which is going to be a very important issue in this election is muslim, terrorist, Iran nuclear bomb making program and Russia. Muslim terrorist Iran has set out to create nuclear bombs with the stated objective of eventually using them against the United States and Israel. The dictator of Iran, Ahmadinejad has said openly many times that his goal is to wipe America and Israel off the face of the earth. And then he speaks about Iran’s nuclear program with such pride, I mean it’s so obvious what he’s saying. Senator McCain, who is bad on most issues, on this issue has been saying things that sound encouraging. He has been saying that we will under no circumstances tolerate Iran building nuclear bombs or continuing with their nuclear program. He also understands Russia, and that Putin is a KJB man and they are SWORN ENEMIES of the United States! I trust McCain much more than I do Obama on these issues. Not even close.
What do you mean? I am for truth and against error. Period. If something’s true, I’m for it. If something’s false, I’m against it. I’m just simply for truth and against error. End of story. And I think that’s the attitude we should always keep on everything, okay, what is truth. So if you’re for truth too we should be on the same side. No truce needed.
apacalyps on August 29, 2008 at 10:32 PM
MSNBC keeps playing the Dali Bama speech from last night…I mean, just who is listening to that? They might as well move on to something else, we’ve heard the same stuff for the past 30 or 40 years now.
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 10:33 PM
it is the way the Germans(who our system is based on theory wise) do it.
Somewhere back in the ‘30-50s the notion that it was all about the scratch and the union started to take hold….
like an anaconda it took years but eventually the monolith we see today was born….
egalitarian output by denial of excellence.
sven10077 on August 29, 2008 at 10:36 PM
denial and flopsweat are a heady combo…
sven10077 on August 29, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Yeah, sven,
Obama’s 14 point lead over John F. McCain and Britney Palin is bad news indeed.
alphie on August 29, 2008 at 10:39 PM
been polling the dead again?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
after a “nearly flawless convention”???
anyway it seems you have some kind of inside track on precisely how many illegal votes are gonna get cast……care to share?
McCain’s I-Trade futures are shooting up
sven10077 on August 29, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Now, just what did the Dali Bama say again last night?
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Aaah, sven,
I remember the poor, hopeful righties just before the 2006 election.
They sounded just like you…good luck.
alphie on August 29, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Palin’s approval rating is somethin’ like 80%? Pelosi and Reid’s is….????? Oh yeah……9!
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 10:51 PM
What’s so bad about schools teaching God created the heavens and the earth?
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 10:53 PM
I can readily disagree that most of the ‘evolution’ story is third-rate fiction; but the ‘creationists’ put forward some bad science too.
I’d like to see rational thinking — the art of reasoning — taught. If people were taught to think rationally and to evaluate evidence unemotionally, we might be able to get past the nonsense propounded by both sides.
For me the question is not evolution-v-creation and especially not religion-v-science; I see it as a question of irrational thinking -v- rational thinking, and it seems to me that presently both sides of the debate are mired in the swamps of unreason.
YiZhangZhe on August 29, 2008 at 10:54 PM
You’d have to have some way to resolve the fight over which idea of God.
dedalus on August 29, 2008 at 10:55 PM
No you are not, all you are for is your own bigotry and conceits. If you were for truth you would have to admit that there is a great deal of physical evidence for evolution whether it is the product of God or nature.
Ars Moriendi on August 29, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Hey, if any of you want to beleive you evolved from a monkey or a fish, go ahead!!! I won’t lose any sleep over it…
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 10:55 PM
DNC circa 2000: that Texas hick we’re gonna blow him out
DNC circa 2004: John Kerry reported for doody he’s a war hero not a draft dodger like that damn Chimpy*
yeah I’ll be the one in tears pondering the lawyers eh?
* yeah two things….1) Bill Klinton? 2) Bush was a nuclear qualified interceptor pilot but I digress.
sven10077 on August 29, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Ars Moriendi on August 29, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Soooooo….did you evolve from a fish or a monkey?
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 10:58 PM
I figured she was a Christian but I was hoping she wasn’t that ridiculous.
No wonder we have to import scientists from India and Asia.
deewhybee on August 29, 2008 at 10:58 PM
You’d have to have some way to resolve the fight over which idea of God.
dedalus on August 29, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Ummm…nooooo…I wouldn’t have to do that. God is a living being. Jack found out, back in 1900…
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 11:00 PM
No wonder we have to import scientists from India and Asia.
deewhybee on August 29, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Yeah, them eastern religion people really hate God huh?
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 11:01 PM
You’d have to deal with human beings who would be writing the text books and doing the teaching.
dedalus on August 29, 2008 at 11:02 PM
It depends on how far back you want to look. I am certain that I share a common ancestor with both fish and monkeys and in fact probably all living things on Earth, but I didn’t evolve directly from either one.
Ars Moriendi on August 29, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Does that mean, the more evolution you put in a book, the more you can charge the school for that book?
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Oh man…i hope this website is not going to go along the lines of LGF where Charles has become a nut about this ID versus Theory of Evolution thing!????
WE do not need to be dividing over a very complex and unsettled issue…..
If you come out pro liberal or pro islam, then I have a problem with you…..the debate over origin of the species surely can be a debate we can agree to disagree on…
Lord only knows what has gotten into Charles over at LGF but it is certainly not worth fighting each other over …
Albertanator on August 29, 2008 at 11:05 PM
It depends on how far back you want to look. I am certain that I share a common ancestor with both fish and monkeys and in fact probably all living things on Earth, but I didn’t evolve directly from either one.
Ars Moriendi on August 29, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Can’t look back that far, my ancestors have only been here for 6000 years…
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 11:07 PM
I am for truth. That’s why I’m busy telling people like you that evolution is nothing but a religion mixed in with real science. Many have been duped into believing in it. If, like you say, there is a great deal of physical evidence for evolution then give me your best example.
apacalyps on August 29, 2008 at 11:09 PM
A dialogue with Chrissy Tingle and Keefy:
Chrissy:
“SHE’S NOT A REAL FEMINIST…HA!”
Keefy:
“SHE’S A RELIGIOUS NUT WHO BACKS CREATIONIST DOGMA…STFU!!”
Chrissy:
“SHE’S an INEXPERIENCED WINGNUT WHO BACKED THAT NAZI LOVER BUCHANAN…HA!”
Keefy:
“Er…Sorry Pat…But this is necessary for the One to bring healing to us all…I’ll let you guest host next time I spend a few days visiting my bathtub…”
Chrissy:
“And did I MENTION…SHE HATES JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSS…HA!”
Pat:
Now that’s my kind of girl fellows…Did I gey it right, Mr. Olbermann???
Keefy:
“Just like in the script…”
RocketmanBob on August 29, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Public school teachers would not have to address that. They could simply admit the fact that most people believe in creation and allow the kids to fill in the blank with the creator of their choice.
Maxx on August 29, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Judging by fossil evidence, I believe that mine go back much farther than that.
Ars Moriendi on August 29, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Well said.
SuperCool on August 29, 2008 at 11:11 PM
No, they just don’t believe in dumb creation stories like American Christians do.
barry norris on August 29, 2008 at 11:11 PM
I am for truth. That’s why I’m busy telling people like you that evolution is nothing but a religion mixed in with real science. Many have been duped into believing in it. If, like you say, there is a great deal of physical evidence for evolution then give me your best example.
apacalyps on August 29, 2008 at 11:09 PM
C’mon now….keep it simple….a monkey or a fish?
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 11:12 PM
And creationism is not stupid WHY?
barry norris on August 29, 2008 at 11:13 PM
So by your estimation, which part of it is real science and which part is religion?
Ars Moriendi on August 29, 2008 at 11:13 PM
No, they just don’t believe in dumb creation stories like American Christians do.
barry norris on August 29, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Have you seen them dirty-ass rivers they swim in and try to say how clean they are? And you want me to listen to them?
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 11:14 PM
That is an excellent idea…get some funding! Although, on second thought it would probably be considered a defect and a reason to abort a child who tested positive.
petunia on August 29, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Try the fossil record for starters. It’s one thing to say I don’t believe in evolution but it’s another to say there’s no evidence for it.
barry norris on August 29, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Public school teachers would not have to address that. They could simply admit the fact that most people believe in creation and allow the kids to fill in the blank with the creator of their choice.
Maxx on August 29, 2008 at 11:11 PM
But, there’s only one God…
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Hey at least they speak better English than some American-born citizens. That’s the second reason why we’re importing them to be scientists in America.
barry norris on August 29, 2008 at 11:20 PM
That is an excellent idea…get some funding! Although, on second thought it would probably be considered a defect and a reason to abort a child who tested positive.
petunia on August 29, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Somehow, I don’t think that Palin chick would go for that…But, you would have KILLED her baby, huh?
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Hey at least they speak better English than some American-born citizens. That’s the second reason why we’re importing them to be scientists in America.
barry norris on August 29, 2008 at 11:20 PM
You mean like the one’s working in the 7-11’s that Joe “Asbestos” Biden goes to?
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Hey at least they speak better English than some American-born citizens. That’s the second reason why we’re importing them to be scientists in America.
barry norris on August 29, 2008 at 11:20 PM
I think the telemarketers speak better english than those guys. Are they here in America?
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Nope, probably New Delhi.
barry norris on August 29, 2008 at 11:27 PM
We’ve had many debates concerning evolution v. creationism on this site and for the most part they are civil. This is one of the great issues of our time and it should not be avoided. People need to discussed this issued so the facts that support each side become known. Shutting down debate on an issue is supporting ignorance of that issue.
Recently I’ve found its the people on the evolution side of the debate that want to silence it. I believe the evidence for creation has become so great and so overwhelming over the last decade that the evolutionist simply want to avoid the topic.
Well, it’s not going away, people are sick and tired of the lie of evolution being forced down their children’s throat. So if you don’t like the discussion you may want to browse elsewhere. I for one want the teaching of evolution stopped dead. We should not teach our children they came from slime especially in light of all the hard evidence that clearly demonstrates its not true. Teaching a lie as science breeds contempt for science. We have a duty to teach our kids the truth and evolution isn’t even close.
Maxx on August 29, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Oooooohhhhh….those are the jobs outsourced during the Clinton years. That’s right….Tata, Inc. Yeah, I remember now.
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 11:29 PM
What fossil evidence? There are trillions – I mean trillions and trillions and trillions – of fossils out there. Charlie Darwin said, “If my theory be true, (big “if” Charlie) numberless intermediate varieties, linking most closely all of the species of the same group together must assuredly have existed… .” That’s correct Charlie. So show us your best transitional fossil, Ars Moriendi . Just one.
apacalyps on August 29, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Maxx on August 29, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Naw…It’s not an issue. Only for those who can’t decide whether they’ve evolved from a monkey or a fish.
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Gotta run for now…talk at y’all later…
DfDeportation on August 29, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Don’t kid yourself. Outsourcing has been growing by leaps and bounds during the Bush years. Do you also kid yourself by believing in creationism?
barry norris on August 29, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Are you talking about transitional species? Yeah, I agree. They must have existed – billions and billions of missing links should be there if the theory is true. Show me one.
apacalyps on August 29, 2008 at 11:35 PM
The Second Law of Thermodynamics doesn’t permit evolution.
apacalyps on August 29, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Well Alphie, think of it this way. Things could be worse! They could be lucky to live in cardboard boxes.
Buy Danish on August 29, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Not this one again. You’re forgetting about Quantum physics.
Whale Evolution – The Fossil Evidence
“Pakicetids evolved into whales in a remarkably short time – about eight million years. However, these amazing transformations can now be observed in the fossil evidence of creatures that represent intermediate stages in the process. “
barry norris on August 29, 2008 at 11:40 PM
I don’t like getting into the whole “Evolution Vs. Creationism” argument as I’ve reconciled the two but just my two cents (and just this once): I believe in God. I believe that there’s more than enough imperical evidence to support evolutionary theory also, therefor, at least in my mind, evolution is the way God goes about his buisness.
SuperCool on August 29, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Absolutely. Evolution has nothing to do with disproving God.
barry norris on August 29, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Explain this for us in laymans terms Barry. What are Pakicetids?
apacalyps on August 29, 2008 at 11:45 PM
No. Explain what you mean?
apacalyps on August 29, 2008 at 11:46 PM
If I told you many people think Buicks are created, would that be stupid? You can argue among yourselves who created them, I just want you to know that most people don’t think they evolved.
Maxx on August 29, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Buicks haven’t evolved really. That’s one reason why GM looks like a bailout candidate. Oh, OK. Got it. Analogy.
dedalus on August 29, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Give me a link to the pictures of the transitions. If this is real, evolutionist will be anxious to show it to the world. If there are no pictures, its just more “faith” in evolution.
Maxx on August 29, 2008 at 11:52 PM
The “god” that used evolution was cruel, wasteful, and retarded. It is certainly not the God of the Bible!
apacalyps on August 29, 2008 at 11:52 PM
What does that matter? I gave you an example of evolution and a link. You don’t want to believe in evolution not for lack of evidence but because it conflicts with your beliefs.
No, since we humans make them. No more stupid comparisons, Maxx.
barry norris on August 29, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Didn’t the God of the Hebrew Bible have to start over with Noah and his family after killing everyone on the planet?
I know he had his reasons but it seems that evolution wasn’t that comprehensively brutal.
dedalus on August 29, 2008 at 11:59 PM
If evolution was true (it’s not) then how do evolutionists get past the law of entropy.
apacalyps on August 29, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Its not stupid barry. Evolution implies transitions, yet there are no transition all the way back to the Cambrian. No transitions means no evolution. That’s why creation is not only “not stupid” but the only logical answer.
Maxx on August 30, 2008 at 12:02 AM
No. You just can’t explain what you’re talking about. You said a whale evolved from Pakicetids. What does that mean? You post information that you don’t understand. Do you know or are you just taking somebodies word for it?
apacalyps on August 30, 2008 at 12:02 AM
After the flood, 8 people repolulated the earth. Noah and his family. Starting from eight people, you could easily generate a population of 6 billion in 4,400 years.
apacalyps on August 30, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Dedalus, do you still believe evolution took place? I thought you were beyond that. Think about the evolution process. The god that would have to use that is cruel. Isn’t it cruel to have animals y’know, partially developed and inferior and going to struggle and die? The whole evolution process of struggle and death is… is.. contrary to the Christian God. Exactly the opposite. The “god” that would use evolution is wasteful. How many bizillions of animals had to die in order to get this thing to work, y’know, it’s just a wasteful process. And it’s retarded. There’s no direction to it. Just things kinda, y’know, marander the way they wanna go… there’s.. there’s no goal in mind, they just, ‘y’know, let it evolve. That is certainly not the God of the Bible.
apacalyps on August 30, 2008 at 12:13 AM
No doubt, but my point was that God’s designed world saw an event (the flood) that seems as “wasteful” as any we see proposed by evolutionary theory.
dedalus on August 30, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Right. Do whatever you want and leave me alone is so obnoxious.
freevillage on August 30, 2008 at 12:21 AM
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