Quote of the day
posted at 10:55 pm on August 28, 2008 by Allahpundit
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“Friendless, isolated and condemned as an aggressor by Europe, Italy and Mussolini had nowhere to turn now but Hitler’s Germany.
Thus, over the fate of an Abyssinian slave empire, Britain drove her faithful World War I ally into the arms of a Nazi dictator Mussolini loathed and had wished to confront beside Britain.”
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I wish Pat Buchanan would go away
grtflmark on August 28, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Wow.
Is Pat also a truther?
jgapinoy on August 28, 2008 at 10:43 PM
AP subjects us to this neandrethal on this day of all days why?
Buckaroo on August 28, 2008 at 10:44 PM
So weird it defies credulity. Apparently, Buchanan has gone over to the dark side.
NNtrancer on August 28, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Pat needs to read Totten for the Russian issue. And Ethiopia was calculated.
Spirit of 1776 on August 28, 2008 at 10:46 PM
I really like Pat even though I often disagree with him on foreign policy. I just wish he would stop saying things like this. It makes him look stupid and he actually has a lot of good things to say.
keepinitreal on August 28, 2008 at 10:46 PM
go to national review on line and watch hitchens and hanson rip him and his pathetic book to shreds. highly recommended.
“In Defense of WWII”
homesickamerican on August 28, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Umm Pat the British PM was Neville Chaimberlan. He wasnt know for “Pushing” anyone.
And I guess you missed the Italian and German backing in the Spanish Civil war in 1936. That was all before Munich.
William Amos on August 28, 2008 at 10:48 PM
But this view on WWII isn’t new on Buchanan’s part.
He’s being arguing the same point (see his autobiography Right from the Beginning, for example,) for more than a quarter century, if not longer.
SteveMG on August 28, 2008 at 10:50 PM
I just knew it had to be Buchanan. I just knew it!
Now I feel unclean.
irishspy on August 28, 2008 at 10:51 PM
I use to like this guy but he is annoying me now.
jencab on August 28, 2008 at 10:51 PM
I actually used to like this guy.
What the heck happened to him?
Borislav on August 28, 2008 at 10:52 PM
I forgot Ethopia was in 1935 before the Spanish Civil war.
And Britian and France have a right to be critical of anyone. Buchanan is willing to attack two democracies for being critical of a dictatorship. Would he do the same for Reagan ?
William Amos on August 28, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Pat Buchanan=Howard Stern
redrock on August 28, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Buchanan is an America First believer of the 21st Century.
William Amos on August 28, 2008 at 10:53 PM
OT: Obama’s speech is awful.
Bishop on August 28, 2008 at 10:53 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee
William Amos on August 28, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Naaaaah, ideology had nothing to do with it.
Mussolini, Franco and Hitler all had sorta the same ideas, ok, Pat? retire already, will ya?
And why is this the QotD today of all days? O’poodle’s gonna say SOMETHING dumb enough to top this one.
Tony737 on August 28, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Well… he does work for MSNBC.
Gartrip on August 28, 2008 at 10:56 PM
I called it! I knew it was Pat Buchanan before I clicked!
Not that that was hard to figure out..
OneGyT on August 28, 2008 at 10:57 PM
In 1992 I donated to this tool’s GOP primary campaign.
I want a freakin’ refund.
sulla on August 28, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Just went to the front page and noticed the pic. Haha, I wasn’t even thinking about that when I figured it was Patbuch. It was just that obvious with the quote itself.
OneGyT on August 28, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Pat Buchanan is as embarrassing to conservatives as Dennis Kucinich is to liberals.
chsw
chsw on August 28, 2008 at 10:58 PM
pat failed to get traction with his bids in both ‘88 and ‘92. when he saw billy jeff start in on his antics in the WH, i think he just decided, hey, being sensible hasn’t gotten me anywhere — what have i got to lose?
/it’s just a theory …
Buckaroo on August 28, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Pat Buchanan is a total idiot. Why anyone is interested in his views is beyond me.
MCPO Airdale on August 28, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Jeeeze Louise. What is wrong with you Pat? Seriously, maybe you need a little Ernest Borgine entertainment, because this is essentially mental self abuse on your part.
Mr. Joe on August 28, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Pat has been known to have idiotic thoughts on many occasions.
Travis1 on August 28, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Why is this man still given respect and credibility in conservative circles? He’s an embarrassment.
CrusaderMom on August 28, 2008 at 11:06 PM
So faithful that Italy was a member of the Central Powers, you know, the “bad Kaiser Wilhelm” side, until she saw the light of liberty, freedom, and British apple pie and had to stand up against Germany.
Oh wait, Italy entered just to grab some land from the Austro-Hungarian ally it decided to backstab. My bad.
TheEJS on August 28, 2008 at 11:08 PM
So Obama just said that McCain had no record, and here you’ve already used to quote of the day.
kc8ukw on August 28, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Pat Buchanon is living proof that the most intelligent people can also be morons.
Entelechy on August 28, 2008 at 11:09 PM
That’s an excellent seminar. Highly recommended. I also recommend The Founders and Us conversation with author and historian Richard Brookhiser — also part of the Uncommon Knowledge series hosted by Peter Robinson.
eanax on August 28, 2008 at 11:10 PM
O.T. what’s with the ominous music at the Barackopolis? It sounds like an ending, not a beginning.
Buy Danish on August 28, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Pat Buchanan is NOT a conservative of any kind. Conservatives can safely disavow him and should emphatically reject him.
In foreign policy matters, Buchanan is an isolationist who currently is an apologist for KGB-run Russia. In history matters, he is a revisionist, blaming Churchill and the Poles for World War II and ignoring the ideological drive of Hitler’s German National Socialism to expand Gernmany’s borders. In domestic matters, he was a populist the last time he ran for office. He is regular on MSNBC. That all adds up to Buchanan being a left winger. Indeed, National Review writer Jonah Goldberg, in his book “Liberal Fascism,” places Buchanan in the progressive camp.
Mussolini was a socialist all his life. Mussolini’s Italian Fascism was a form of national socialism considered in the 1920’s in the same vein as Russia’s Bolshevik socialism. So it should be no surprise that Buchanan has sympathy for Mussolini. Mussolini was on the same left side of politics as Buchanan now is.
Phil Byler on August 28, 2008 at 11:11 PM
It’s also on youtube. It’s a beautiful slap down, with both never raising their voices. It’s amazing how piercing and sharp reason can be. Don’t talk out of your a$$ and then write it down. People might call you on it.
Cold Steel on August 28, 2008 at 11:12 PM
You guys are clueless. You all sound stupid.
Buchanan’s historical point is hardly even debated. His point, which you are obviously clueless about, is that Benito Muss. would have preferred to be an allie of Britain…..not Hitler. He thought Hitler was “a clown” when he first met him.
But Britain, condemned Italy over their effort of re-taking some African Colony that was taken from it by an African neighboring country which also happened to be heavily into slavery.
So, Britain gave Italy the cold shoulder and Muss. was forced to ally itself with Hitler. Obviously, Europe in the early 30’s was not a time to be friendless.
Now that is not exactly controversial or highly debated. But you fools dont know what you are talking about and just attack Pat Buchanan who was a cold warrior second to none and a great conservative and republican.
I guess once you step off the reservation and have intellectual honesty and actually disagree with the bad idea of attacking a country (Iraq) who poses no credible threat to the U.S., you can expect to be character assassinated by all the neo-con fools that cant think for themselves.
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Hey Cold Steel, are you kidding me. They never raised their voices because it was an echo chamber, dummy. Buchanan wasnt there. If he was, he wouldve kicked their pathetic stupid asses. Buchanan has responded to that jack off Hitchen’s stupid criticism and Hitchens never could answer back Buchanan’s points.
It was like an Olbermann show. No dissenting voice allowed. What a frickin joke!!
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Dude, you are speaking out of your butt. Buchanan is probably more conservative than you ever will be.
keepinitreal on August 28, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Obama-Biden-Buchanan 2008!
The first Trifecta of the Feckless.
profitsbeard on August 28, 2008 at 11:18 PM
And the point is that if Muss. was not pushed to Hitler but befriended intelligently, about 6 million jews wouldnt have had to die. That is ONE example of how STUPID Britain was, including Churchill, it the build up to the war including the horrible war guarantee that britain gave Poland which consigned poor Poland to the gateds of Stalinistic hell for 40 years. A war guarantee that Britain KNEW was worthless.
You guys dont know what the hell you are talking about. I suggest reading his book so you dont sound so dumb.
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:18 PM
El Douche bag gushes about El Douche bag.
Kind of reminds me of the newest democratic Douche bag.
Don’t be a Douche.
http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/10/douche.jpg
winemkr on August 28, 2008 at 11:19 PM
If you read his book or read his column or could actually read, you would know that he never “gushes” about Il Duce. YOU must be the douche.
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Mr. Buchanan is misrepresenting the situation in Georgia, according to the most credible witnesses available.
Re: Ethiopia. Britain and France (and Europe) were in a different political place after WWI then they were before. It’s not applicable to expect that pre-WWI activities would be accepted in the same manner as before. The agreement at the end of the war was intended to ensure that. Mussolini was trying to play both sides against the middle, and before you excuse that away, German’s colonial aspirations played a very large part in her motivation for involvement in WWI.
The argument that Britain forced Italy is flawed. They did diplomacy with both a carrot and a stick. If you don’t have a stick you get nothing. And when Germany invaded France, it wasn’t like Britain and France were really really hoping they had forced Italy to crossed the Southern border. Or that they have forced Italy to limit the British Navy access in the Mediterranean.
Pat may have good intentions, but he’s really reframing the issue in a way that doesn’t really deal with the reality. I know that is typical political activity to make a point, but it’s not “take it to the bank” truth he is talking.
Spirit of 1776 on August 28, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Pat is a blubberous windbag.
Dave Rywall on August 28, 2008 at 11:23 PM
This is wrong as well.
The treaty was anything but worthless, because even though Britain couldn’t stop the march into Poland, they committed themselves to a war to liberate it. That is an incredible commitment. That treaty was a great cause for hope for the Polish, I imagine.
Moreover, Poland was where the line was eventually drawn. It should have been drawn earlier.
Now, if you suggest that Britain and France shouldn’t be involved in the affairs of Europe, I say to you that Mr. Buchanan shouldn’t be involved in the affairs of Britain and France.
Spirit of 1776 on August 28, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Spirit of 76, you really are talking out of your ass. The point about Muss and Italy is early 30’s during the inter-war period. If Italy had not gotten together with Hitler and the Axis not formed…GERMANY NEVER WOULDVE EVER ATTACKED FRANCE.
DUH!!!
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:26 PM
My personal knowledge of the history surrounding WWII isn’t strong enough to to support either Buchanan or Hitchens, but the majority of posts on this thread have a horrible tone. The people who have attacked Buchanan with no supporting argument, William Amos being the exception, are using the same tactics for which we condemn liberals. You disagree with what the man said, then make a credible argument against his point, otherwise go post on daily KOS where those tactics are accepted.
DFCtomm on August 28, 2008 at 11:27 PM
“NUTS”
canopfor on August 28, 2008 at 11:30 PM
o my gosh. Spirit of 76, how absurd.
The war guarantee to Poland was WORTHLESS!!! They didnt have the military to stop it from happening. So, when it happened, Hitler decimated the country and then, even worse, Churchill was forced to turn the country to the gulag king, Stalin. All the priests, ministers, doctors, etc where IMMEDIATELY sent to the camps once Stalin took over. If Britain had not given their B.S. PHONY guarantee, Poland would have given Germany Danzig WHICH IS ALL HITLER WANTED. But with the war guarantee, Poland wouldnt negotiate so they all got DEATH instead by Hitler and then by Churchill’s buddy, Stalin.
Thanks for the guarantee Britain. Next time, stay away.
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Are you allergic to civility?
To your quote. It’s not true. Hitler laid his plans out in Mein Kampf.
Spirit of 1776 on August 28, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Bill Buckley, RIP, didn’t mince words when he publicly condemned Buchanan.
Anyone who takes Buchanan seriously has lost any right to be taken seriously him/herself. Sorry.
newton on August 28, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Interesting. Apparently you missed the end. The west won. Because of that guarantee which took Britain and France into the war. You can’t blame B/F for Poland’s problems with Russia, she has a longer history with pressure from both the east and the west then 1900+. And I might note, look at her situation now – it’s a factor of the result of that guarantee, frankly.
Spirit of 1776 on August 28, 2008 at 11:33 PM
To this I just say, ha.
Spirit of 1776 on August 28, 2008 at 11:34 PM
“go to national review on line and watch hitchens and hanson rip him and his pathetic book to shreds. highly recommended.”
Indeed–but it’s in segments at NRO. You can watch Peter Robinson’s interview with Hitchens and Victor Davis Hanson non-stop at the Fora Website.
Ed Driscoll on August 28, 2008 at 11:34 PM
It’s fairly easy to be anoymous on the internet and make brazen comments especially if someone doesn’ know your real name.
Pat has done more to defeat PC correctness in his day than almost any 50 conservatives you could name put together(before fox news was around) and before Ann C, Sean hannity etc. For awhile it was just him and Rush and they were attacked from all sides all the time and had no backup(no alt media).
His culture war speech is still a classic especialy given the climate of the time.
He is no joke and deserves respect even though he may be losing it a little as he ages.
Half these thumbsucking idiots who say disavow him are like 20 years old proably hucktards.
If Pat wants to go off the reservation thats just fine he has earned the right.
kangjie on August 28, 2008 at 11:34 PM
I am a republican and have never voted democrat. But, this is why Republicans can be as much like sheep as democrats. You get on the wrong side of the war party neo-con types and they go after your charactar and talk out of their asses.
I remember when Buchanan was in the primary with McCain and McCain started saying that Buchanan wrote that the U.S. never should have entered WW2. Well, that was a lie, just like the lie McCain said about Romney wanting a timeline for Iraqi withdrawels. McCain is dishonest and not very bright. Yes, I know, he was a POW. But the Republicans made a big mistake in nominating him and will rue the day. But as you can see on this thread, average republicans arent too bright either.
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:34 PM
“Interesting. Apparently you missed the end. The west won”
Hold on there buddy. You are saying that Poland was liberated in WW2????? HA HA HA HA HA!!!! Millions of dead poles buried in Stalinistic gulag graves would disagree with THAT stupid statement.
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:36 PM
By the way, Buchanan has had articles posted on Alex Jones’ websites.
No, I’m not naming them, and no, I’m not linking to them. If you really want to, you can find them. He yelled the name of one of them in a video recently posted here.
MadisonConservative on August 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Amen to Kangjie.
Once you go off the neo-con reservation and think outside the box and be honest, the attack sheep go after you.
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Fixed a small part of this ahistorical rant.
Right_of_Attila on August 28, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Who’s Pat Buchanan? Does he have a sister?
Rovin on August 28, 2008 at 11:41 PM
You’re out of your bloody mind.
sulla on August 28, 2008 at 11:43 PM
You just wrote “rue the day” in an un-ironic fashion on the Internet. Here’s your top-hat, monocle, and handlebar mustache.
By all means please continue.
/snort
TheUnrepentantGeek on August 28, 2008 at 11:44 PM
And is Chris Matthews “leg shivering” a form of ovulation?
Rovin on August 28, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Buchanan’s “outside the box” thinking is posted on a website where they fervently believe that Bush carried out 9/11, that a North American Union is being built, and that the New World Order is planning to kill 90%+ of the world’s population in order to attain the fountain of youth…somehow.
Maybe it should be a clue when your “outside the box” thinking gets you in the company of f***ing lunatics.
MadisonConservative on August 28, 2008 at 11:45 PM
I am??? Germany wouldve attacked France without Italy as its ally? I dont think ANYBODY believes that. Name me a source that believes AN ISOLATED Germany would be stupid enough to attack France.
I will be waiting. You are the out of your bloody mind.
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:45 PM
I did not say that. I would point out that WWII segued into the Cold War. It wasn’t until years later that Poland, yes with many deaths, was able to come to a point where the US and Poland sit down and the table and talk missile defense. But she would never have reached that point if Britain had not committed herself.
You might argue that Russia was inherently peaceful and Germany was inherently peaceful (both historical false) and that Poland was always comfortable, but that, of course, is turning a blind eye to the tensions of that region and the animosity between Germany and Russia.
Britain’s guarantee is all more impressive because she couldn’t immediately fulfill it. It was an open-ended commitment to fight for her liberation. Those are the most impressive. Which is why most marriage vows say ’till death do us part’.
Spirit of 1776 on August 28, 2008 at 11:46 PM
He does, actually.
She’s quite nice.
sulla on August 28, 2008 at 11:47 PM
So, if some nuts like Buchanan that makes Buchanan a nut? Since Reagan liked him quite a bit and hired him…I guess you know better than Reagan too.
You guys are like Huckabots. You know….stupid.
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Yes, Bay Buchanan is very nice. and she is highly intelligent which is why she agrees with her american hero brother, Pat.
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:48 PM
If Hitler could secure his flanks, yes.
Spirit of 1776 on August 28, 2008 at 11:48 PM
MDS, did you see that during the HA registration someone registered as “Spirit of 76″? I told him/her that you’d win a duel.
Entelechy on August 28, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Agreed. Good spokeswoman for Tancredo as well.
Spirit of 1776 on August 28, 2008 at 11:49 PM
If you want an intelligent conversation, stop hurling abuse with every comment.
If you’re just going to cast your feces against the wall like a caffeinated chimp, expect the same in response.
sulla on August 28, 2008 at 11:50 PM
MDE, are you serious? I’m strapping on my sword as we speak. Outrageous! :)
Spirit of 1776 on August 28, 2008 at 11:50 PM
exactly. buchanan acts as if this book didn’t exist, or he only read certain portions of it.
come to think of it, that’s how he seems to look at pretty much everything.
@rogerwaters: you could be
a littlea lot more civil. if someone struck a nerve with you by dissing your idol buchanan, i suggest you develop a thicker skin, because you’re not gonna hear much said about that pathetic excuse for a “conservative” around here…homesickamerican on August 28, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Spirit of 76, are you making this stuff up? Are you serious.
That’s like Portugal giving a war guarantee to protect Russia from the U.S. It is meaningless since Portugal doesnt have the muscle to guarantee anything.
All it did was enbolden Poland to not negotiate away Danzig which wanted to be reunited with their German brethren anyway. So, with their big ol tough guarantee, they refused to negotiate over Danzig feeling all safe and secure with the war guarantee that they thought was save them. All it guaranteed was that they would be slaughtered first by Britains enemy, Germany, and THEN by Britain’s ALLY Stalin. Hey thanks for the guarantee Britain. Didnt know it was a guarantee of death and slavery for 50 years.
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Your posts reminds me of a scene from the remake “The Manchurian Candidate” in which the hero is trying to enlist the aid of the police by stating that he has proof. His proof being an implant placed in his neck. The look on the officers face immediately changed, and you knew that he thought our hero was crazy. The funny thing about that scene was that the year this film was released the FDA had approved the first implant device.
DFCtomm on August 28, 2008 at 11:55 PM
its like Ron Paul says, “We create our enemies”
These people are lunatics
jp on August 28, 2008 at 11:55 PM
homesickamerican,
if you read the thread from the start it was like 20 sheep attacking Buchanan. And NOT ONE, so far, has shown any grasp of the argument. So, they just slandered the dude. I hate that sh*t!! Buchanan is an intectually honest and a real thinker and war hero and a great man. These stupid critics just attack him while trying to sound cute and they would wither away and die of looking stupid if they tried to debate the issue with Buchanan himself.
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:57 PM
war hero meaning a cold war hero
Roger Waters on August 28, 2008 at 11:57 PM
pot, meet obsidian.
Slander is all you’re capable of.
sulla on August 28, 2008 at 11:58 PM
yeah, well at least I had a point to make. Care to refute any of them, Sulla, or is that cute little pot meet obsidian all you have to offer. You dont know the history either I take it.
Roger Waters on August 29, 2008 at 12:00 AM
The last time I checked he also puts his pants on one leg at a time just like you and I do Roger. What’s your point?
The guys a moron and an isolationist. Millard Fillmor was his hero. Nuff said.
Rovin on August 29, 2008 at 12:00 AM
1st: Apparently as the charming E tells me, you might need to refer as the full 1776 or as alternatively as most other people do.
No, again. Portugal is nothing like Britain. British power on the seas broke Germany in WWI (food shortages at the end especially). Britain was much, much stronger then Portugal; your comparison is not appropriate.
Britain had the power to back up her words, she needed time to mobilize her war machine. She made a promise and roused herself to meet that challenge. For this she deserves praise.
If you wish to criticize her, I suggest you aim at Czechoslovakia. There they agreed without the consent of the nation being discussed. If she hadn’t stood up at the Polish line, we would make fun of her the way France is now.
One more point, this tripe about “he only wanted this” or etc, etc. Hitler’s officers had orders in their pockets that if they met any resistence that they should withdraw. A discerning person can see this for what it is. Hitler tested the boundaries, always pushing for more under the cloak of a claim for peace. Had he been resisted earlier, WWII could have been avoided perhaps. But giving in would done nothing but cede more ground to be bought back by blood.
Spirit of 1776 on August 29, 2008 at 12:00 AM
MDS, yes, here’s the link.
Entelechy on August 29, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Reagan liked Buchanan 20 years ago. I don’t know if you’ve heard, but people change over time.
I repeat, this wasn’t some “nuts liking Buchanan”. This wasn’t a link to a Buchanan article. He submitted his article to this nut’s site and had it posted. I repeat, he plays Hitler off as a victim, blames the US for Russia invading Georgia, blames the US for 9/11, and takes about every fringe liberal talking point there is. The political spectrum is a circle, pal. When you go far right enough, you reach the far left, and you discover they have a lot of things in common.
MadisonConservative on August 29, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Excuse me. The statement about Hitler’s officers and orders in their movement into the Rhineland.
Spirit of 1776 on August 29, 2008 at 12:02 AM
I know enough to have an opinion, but I’m not an expert.
I do know I have no interest in talking with someone who screams abuse. I got enough of that with Olaf and apacalypse.
sulla on August 29, 2008 at 12:03 AM
wrong 76 wrong.
Checkoz was handled OK…just lucky. Britain REALLY screwed up losing Italy as an ally (which was available) losing Japan as an ally (which was available) and making a war guarantee over Poland which doomed the country to Hitler and then Stalin. No, it was not impressive. Are you not aware that Germany slaughtered Poland with no resistance and the USSR helped and then the allies gave the remains of Poland to Stalin who immediately slaughtered all the church leaders, teachers, doctors, etc. IS THAT THE GUARANTEE THAT POLAND THOUGHT THEY WERE GETTING?? HA HA HA!! I dont think so.
Roger Waters on August 29, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Well, well.
I must conjecture that they didn’t read comments here before or else surely they would have picked another name. I would have thought my nom de blog would have been unique enough. Not as unique as yours perhaps, but one that fits me. It’s a shame though. Or perhaps it’s just flattery, haha.
Spirit of 1776 on August 29, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Buchanan has been working — for at least, oh, I don’t know, 28 years — more than anyone else to validate the “crypto-Nazi” smear that every liberal from Gore Vidal on down likes to peddle against their opposite numbers, what with his tin-ear Bitburg speechwriting, his efforts to defend Demjanjuk and five other former Nazis, and his current monomania that England was responsible for WWII. Hitler was obviously a carpet chewing racist genocidal maniac. So let me get this straight. Italy’s embrace of the foaming-at-the-mouth Teutonic tyrant reflects badly on … England?
Roger Waters, how can you call an argument that was contemporary with the war itself a “neo-con” argument? Neocons date back to 1938? Interesting. Now, go back to doing what you do best — playing bass.
Buchanan is a professional a-hole, one step away from falling down and chewing the carpet himself at this point. It’s creepy. Even if what he is saying has some basis in truth — something I am not willing to concede — what motivates him to crusade so to restore the reputations of Nazis and ex-Nazis? What’s in it for him? I know he’s an Irishman, but does he have to hate England that much? He maintains continual employment because MSNBC knows he makes everyone on “The Right” look bad. He should know he’s being used for this purpose and should hang up his cleats on that basis alone.
shazbat on August 29, 2008 at 12:08 AM
“I do know I have no interest in talking with someone who screams abuse.”
Dude, you havent the ability to refute a single point I have made. Just admit that you dont know what you are talking about and you will sleep better tonite knowing that you at least admitted it instea of this “oh oh oh I cant discuss it because you are screaming” bologna. You havent even made a point yet except “uh, yeah man Buchanan is psycho man, yeah, pot meet kettle, he is a nut, yeah wow”.
Roger Waters on August 29, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Pat makes some solid points if you ask me. International diplomacy is a chess game.
Just because people may be pissed that he’s saying the Iraq invasion was unwarranted, that doesn’t negate his historical point that Mussolini may not have allied with Hitler if he was given a free hand in East Africa.
We all know the Brits and French royally effed up the interwar period; what makes them screwing up on how best to use Italy so hard to believe?
Metro on August 29, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Well said.
MadisonConservative on August 29, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Then your paradigm is so fundamentally different then the American philosophy that a people have to consent. Czechoslovakia was negotiated over without her consent. That is a fundamentally wrong principle.
Of course I am aware of that. Though to be fair “no resistance” should be written as futile resistance. I assume you are committed to the idea that Russia had no interest in Poland if not for Britain, and Germany just wanted it’s nibble. Again, the historical threads there go back before Hitler and Stalin.
Spirit of 1776 on August 29, 2008 at 12:12 AM
You’re delusional if you think anyone would lose sleep over being barked at by someone who types “HA HA HA HA HA HA” every post.
MadisonConservative on August 29, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Worry not, MDS, for me you will always be The One!
The real one, the Spirit of 1776. Yes, it is a very appropriate nom de plume for you. Some day you will find out how close it is to something in my life.
Glad you are not upset over it – the eternal gentleman. But, we must watch the usurper closely :)
Entelechy on August 29, 2008 at 12:12 AM
“Buchanan is a professional a-hole, one step away from falling down and chewing the carpet himself at this point. It’s creepy. Even if what he is saying has some basis in truth — something I am not willing to concede — what motivates him to crusade so to restore the reputations of Nazis and ex-Nazis?”
So, you can read minds, eh? That is a horrible horrible thing to say about somebody. Before you accuse somebody of that, you better know what you are talking about. You should be ashamed of yourself. Would you tell him that to his face? I know you wouldnt. You clearly dont know what you are talking about, so you resort to charactar assassination. That makes you a bad person. Screw you, dude.
Roger Waters on August 29, 2008 at 12:12 AM
76, checko was handled the way it was handled. It was a pretend country invented in Versailles. The groups making up checko hated each other. The Germans that were part of Checko wanted out. they were a minority to the islamic majority. The issue isnt like you think.
Roger Waters on August 29, 2008 at 12:15 AM
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