Democratic convention, night four: Eschaton to be immanentized in Denver
posted at 7:05 pm on August 28, 2008 by Allahpundit
We’re fully three hours away from Zeus’s descent from Olympus, but the festivities at the temple have begun so here’s your thread to snark. The schedule’s thin until 8:30 p.m. ET or so, when Gore the Baptist comes forth to herald the arrival of The One. Hotline has a few unexceptional excerpts from an advance copy of the speech and the AP has a bit more. Surely this will be the first time in history that a classical Greek setting serves as backdrop for a catchphrase based on the title of an old sitcom.
I doubt I’ll watch, but video will be here later. In the meantime, two quotes for you to meditate on. Number one: “Here we were eating lunch, and it was like the clouds parted and the sun was shining in.” And number two: “At the CNN bar, where the voice of Wolf Blitzer just said everyone will remember where they were when Obama made his speech.” Exit question: A Stonehenge set would have been awesome, wouldn’t it?
Update: Here’s something meatier to chew on. Is there going to be a convention in Minneapolis next week?
Update: The gauntlet is tossed in the comments. Was “Eight Is Enough” a sitcom — or a dramedy? Let the debate rage!
Update: Here’s the transcript of Obama’s speech. Money line from the nominee of the party that’s trumpeted every last setback and downplayed every last gain in Iraq for the past three years: “I’ve got news for you, John McCain. We all put our country first.” That makes twice now during a momentous speech that he’s rewritten his own side’s history. See his 2004 convention keynote, arguing that “there is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America” to a party sick to its core with identity politics, for the other.
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It really doesn’t matter if there is violence on the streets or whether you need an AK-47 to go hunting. Neither of those points has anything to do with the 2nd
Amendment.
The reason that the public has been given the right to bear arms is very simple if you consider how America came to be. We had already overthrown one tyrant, Britain, because our population had guns and knew how to use them. Our founders realized that is the only guarantor of freedom so they made sure we could continue to have guns in case we ever needed to do it again.
The guns are not for home defense or hunting, they are for making sure that if your government ever becomes oppressive again you can get rid of them too.
Hawthorne on August 29, 2008 at 4:47 AM
There is a lot more to an economy than oil drilling. If the VP candidate isn’t ready to handle attack dog Joe Biden in debates over a very broad range of subject they are going to be a liability.
Hawthorne on August 29, 2008 at 4:50 AM
Self Defense falls under that whole “LIFE” thing. You know the one with the “LIBERTY” and the “PURSUIT” bit.
(sorry typing skill are going away.)
mad saint jack on August 29, 2008 at 4:55 AM
Agreed – I’d be much more concerned about how the typical jilted Hillary supporter, so confident in their view of the world, would react to a successful, confident, radiant, self-assured, conservative woman whose very existence belies every preconception about female victimhood they’ve ever built up in their minds (and had enthusiastically validated by the likes of Hillary).
Someone who was popular and good-looking just builds on the stereotype. But it’s key that the person be rabidly against their world view, not just good-looking. They’d have no problems with a *leftist* ‘hottie’; but a right-wing hottie – whoa, watch out. Put both of them in a room together, and then feel the love.
The point made in the other thread was, such a candidate might well push every hot button in the emotional arsenal of a certain demographic, and drive a nominally receptive group against the ticket. Very different than a Pawlenty, in other words.
RD on August 29, 2008 at 4:58 AM
Palin?
MB4 on August 29, 2008 at 5:03 AM
Agreed, she is high risk but high reward. If they pick her and are not ready to beat back the inexperienced meme(Obama has a lot of experience handing out cash with no reward, look at his education work with Ayers) or the thing with the trooper(clinton anyone?, rezko?, god damn america?) then they’re delusional. Team McCain blows at driving narratives because they’re too obsessed with the news cycle and they aren’t getting the larger pictures.
ninjapirate on August 29, 2008 at 5:03 AM
+1
Crazy plants (sigh)! Don’t they *know* CO2 is bad, bad, bad?
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I guess it’s probably time to sign off. ‘Night!
RD on August 29, 2008 at 5:12 AM
I have absolute faith that I’m not allowed to be that happy.
mad saint jack on August 29, 2008 at 5:12 AM
What time does the morning shift get here???
mad saint jack on August 29, 2008 at 5:13 AM
It sure looks like she might be going to Ohio.
MB4 on August 29, 2008 at 5:14 AM
105?! Makes my 88 seem kind of small. :)
OldEnglish on August 29, 2008 at 5:15 AM
You are quoting The Declaration of Independence. While it is the founding document of our country, it is not law. It stands only as a reasoning for our rebellion. The law which grants you the ability to own and bear arms is the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
There has been a number of court cases concerning the right to bear arms but the most important to prove my point is U.S. vs Miller in 1939. In this case the Supreme Court rules that a state was able to pass regulations controlling the possession of a sawed-off shotgun because it had no military value. The Second Amendment protect the right to own MILITARY weapons.
You see, the purpose of the Second Amendment is to allow the population of the United States to protect it’s freedom. Both from outside and from a corrupt internal government. The Second Amendment grants you the right to protect your other rights with military force if need be.
If you do not believe me then do some research. The revisionist blathering that has been spewed for decades in an attempt to defeat the Second Amendment has mislead most people about what it really means.
Hawthorne on August 29, 2008 at 5:15 AM
I live 2 miles from the river (KY).
If I get in the car now…..
mad saint jack on August 29, 2008 at 5:17 AM
Too late, it looks like. Arrived over 7 hours ago. If that was her.
MB4 on August 29, 2008 at 5:23 AM
I’m very sorry Sir I’m far too tired to open that can of worms.
Honestly, I think we mostly agree but we are just splitting hairs.
I must say that nothing is granted by the Bill of Rights.
It is a list restrictions on the government. Your rights predate that government.
mad saint jack on August 29, 2008 at 5:25 AM
2407
slaphappy
mad saint jack on August 29, 2008 at 5:27 AM
Indeed I think we do mostly agree. I think that I em being more technical about the legalities is all.
Hawthorne on August 29, 2008 at 5:37 AM
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mad saint jack on August 29, 2008 at 5:58 AM
The morning shift is here. BHO’s speech is still poor after sleeping on it. His only hope for election is an ignorant electorate. His ideas have not worked, do not work, and will not work. Too bad I have only one vote.
Nevil Shute wrote a novel In the Wet that had multiple votes as a way to get a better class of elected official. This was a novel of a fictional future commonwealth.
Everyone got one vote, then you got more votes if you were a minister, lived overseas (or stationed overseas), stayed married until your kids were 14, made a fair amount of money, had an advanced degree, and the last one was the Queen’s to give. An interesting starting point for political reform.
Just wanted to throw out the idea. IF BHO is elected it would be proof that our educational, governance, and informational systems are fatally flawed.
NaCly dog on August 29, 2008 at 6:58 AM
Of course our educational system is fatally flawed. Looks like Obamas non-friend Ayers has been undermining it for years!
ctmom on August 29, 2008 at 7:24 AM
After the standing ovation that a good number of folks in the press gave to BHO after his speech, I can assure you that our information system is seriously flawed. The idea of an impartial fifth-state that informs the public rather than manipulates it is anathema to them.
Hawthorne on August 29, 2008 at 7:27 AM
Hey, where’s Ed? He’s usually working early.
mikeyboss on August 29, 2008 at 7:31 AM
Well, I had a coworker this morning try to convince me that Barack Omerica is the living embodiment of MLK’s dream. She also told me that taxes are our way of blessing others. WTF?!
Dubn8tr on August 29, 2008 at 7:31 AM
Apparently your coworker has not listened to Dr. King very much. He envisioned an America where people would be judged by the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin. If you removed the fact that Obama is black, nobody would have been all that interested in him. The reason that the press in enthralled with him is because they feel they can help America along in the healing of the racial divide by electing a black man. Never mind that they will discount Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice. They are scared to death that the first black President might be Republican and they just couldn’t take that. So they need to force the issue.
So it is exactly because we are so aware he is black that Barack Obama is getting this chance. It is exactly what Dr. King did not want. Because he understood that there is no healing until we do not see each other as different. Obama is actually just the opposite. He is the ultimate step in proving that the politics of division and difference have a payoff for black Americans. If he is elected it will never end.
Hawthorne on August 29, 2008 at 8:19 AM
Morning all – I just scanned the pages I missed while sleeping – No news on the VP pick?
InTheBellyoftheBeast on August 29, 2008 at 8:22 AM
Not yet
Hawthorne on August 29, 2008 at 8:26 AM
My 29 year old son – an Iraq vet – told me that his apolitical friends, most of them, are taking an interest in the presidential race this year. They don’t like either The One or McCain. They just see a lot of insincerity.
The upside is, they decided to READ THE CONSTITUTION to find out what the job requirements are. Now, of course, they are looking at “Dr. Paul” to save us all.
The other side is, my 25 year old son in law to be loves Obama and even put a sticker on his hybrid – yucky, yucky, yucky!
InTheBellyoftheBeast on August 29, 2008 at 8:33 AM
Looks like the east coasters have the old fashion, fuel wasting kind of jobs that require a 5 day work week. Thank God I live in progressive Kalifornia and don’t have to go to work today. I will do my part to continue this thread toward the 3000 milestone.
Yes, I know it is early here, but my dog gets fed at 5 no matter what.
InTheBellyoftheBeast on August 29, 2008 at 8:36 AM
It’s going to be Palin……..almost certain. Check the headlines, and move over to the newer thread put up this morning. Some of us have been here all night talking about the private chartered Gulfstream jet that flew from Anchorage to Dayton last night. It’s on Fox News right now. Pawlenty and Romney are supposedly out.
Ramlady on August 29, 2008 at 8:37 AM
I guess the speech was as bad as I thought it was – the drudge headline has The Oprah quote ” I cried my eyelashes off” – If she hated it that much….
Oh, my spouse says those were tears of joy – now I am confused.
BTW, how do you like the McCain Palin button on drudge?
InTheBellyoftheBeast on August 29, 2008 at 8:44 AM
Of all the forgettable concepts regurgitated last night by Hopey Changey, one stands out as a particularly sterling example of how his entire candidacy is woven with strings of cotton candy.
Consider His call for $4 billion in guaranteed loans and tax credits to help U.S. automakers retool for more fuel-efficient cars and battery development. Let’s get this straight: there is no quick fix for alternative vehicles. The technology simply doesn’t exist in a highly marketable form. If it did, why hasn’t Honda, Toyota, Audi or Daimler-Benz rolled it out yet? The vague suggestions that we’re a mere $4 billion away from a solution is yet more lefty/liberal bong water.
And $4 billion??? Pathetic. Keep in mind that GM alone reported a $15.5 billion loss on August 1 … FOR ONE THREE-MONTH PERIOD. And what’s behind most of that cratering? Unsustainable benefits costs that the fat cat executives (according to the Dem cliches) literally gave away to the “working men” of the UAW for labor peace. Benefits that only pale against the benefits members of Congress soak up while insisting we all swallow failed Euro/Canadian universal health care.
Want more? What’s $4 billion for the entire auto industry? A fool’s errand. Let’s remember that simply developing the F-22 Raptor for the Air Force cost taxpayers $62 BILLION — or 15.5 TIMES the amount Hopey Changey intends to spend on “fixing” an intractable engineering, economic and national security problem that’s defied the globe for ohhhhhhh at least the past generation.
Let’s understand something, folks. The auto industry is making progress on things like hydrogen cars and battery-powered transportation. As T. Boone says, we could run our nation’s vehicular fleet for several generations on our own natural gas reserves, but consumers fear they would be sitting on their own mini-Hindenburgs. The private sector has answers coming that Barry’s watery gruel will do little to propel into reality. But if a hydrogen car comes from BMW or GM (they already exist, folks, and will be seen on the streets during the next presidency)… bet the house that a President Dopey Hopey will claim credit.
Here’s what I fear. The “I want it all, I want it now” public only hears the pathetic promise for a $7,000 tax credit on alt vehicle purchases (nevermind that we already can claim up to $3,000 in tax breaks and still the damned things only started to sell amid spiking gas prices caused by the Democratic stranglehold on domestic oil production). Barely engaged voters will hear this crap and say “Hey! That really amounts to something. I wish I had $4 billion. And I was thinking of buying a hybrid Toyota Highlander soon. Barry’s putting money in my pocket!! whoot, whoot, whoot.”
There are plenty of ways to poke holes in the thin vapor of Obama’s “new ideas” … close scrutiny of any one of them will demonstrate they are mere exhaust, like his auto plan.
eucher on August 29, 2008 at 8:45 AM
morning all, :)
still going i see.
trailortrash on August 29, 2008 at 8:51 AM
rightwinger: lol
Still not smitten
Hope it’s Palin
This has really stolen the golden calf thunder of last night
Hope to see this thread at lunch – seems to be making history
mary jo on August 29, 2008 at 8:52 AM
Wow, I left this thread last night when it was around 1700!
carbon_footprint on August 29, 2008 at 8:55 AM
Let’s keep this thread going until election day!
Palin!
carbon_footprint on August 29, 2008 at 8:55 AM
I will donate to McCain if he picks Romney.
NaCly dog on August 29, 2008 at 9:11 AM
Olympic Gymnist Shawn Johnson was there! My heart, its broken.
Zetterson on August 29, 2008 at 9:27 AM
25 pages.. nice..
DaveC on August 29, 2008 at 9:27 AM
I do have to say that I didn’t watch the Barack Obama and the Temple of Doom and Gloom speech. I went for the transcript instead. Barack painted such a distorted, negative, inhuman picture of McCain that all McCain needs to do is prick his finger and show the electorate that he does indeed bleed.
scrub_oak on August 29, 2008 at 9:57 AM
I got this from Obama’s transcript: “As President, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power.”
I thought that nuclear power was off the table with Obama?
Mr_Magoo on August 29, 2008 at 10:48 AM
I am giddy today! Palin!
javamartini on August 29, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Ferraro is on FNC and sounds distraught.
I feel ya babe. The wind got sucked out of the socialists campaign in less than 24 hours.
JP1986UM on August 29, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Who? And what?
Spanglemaker on August 29, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Yay Palin!!!!!!!
Beat that, Dems!
Califemme on August 29, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Maybe I am allowed to be that HAPPY.
(so I go to sleep for 4 hrs. and the rest of you can only come up with 25 posts?)
mad saint jack on August 29, 2008 at 11:53 AM
wow
this is great
when she comes out, my money is on the way
God bless America
mary jo on August 29, 2008 at 12:15 PM
the money is in
God bless John McCain and Sarah Palin
mary jo on August 29, 2008 at 12:29 PM
As predicted, Barack Obama thrilled the audience of some 75,000 Democrats at Denver’s Investco Field with a speech long on soaring oratory-and long on the classical Democratic, liberal tone as well. Set aside the oratory, and it was a speech that could have been delivered by Tip O’Neill. It was pretty much the liberal template masked in moderate language-education and health care given to all by the government. If anything, he contradicted himself.
For example: He tried to sound a middle-of-the-road tone when talking about taxes, but small business owners must be nervous as to what Obama will do as to their tax liability.
“Our government should work for us, not against us.”
“I am my brother’s keeper.”
Translation: I will raise your taxes to give “stuff” to everybody.
There was the angry glass-half-empty, complaining about “raw deal America” (My words, not his). Obama quoted Phil Gramm, who had referred to America as a nation of “whiners”. Yet, even as he derided Gramm to a convention of whiners, he proceeded to whine.
As he and other Democrats typically do, he prefaced his remarks on John McCain by paying tribute to his military history-then proceeded to rip into him. He attacked McCain’s judgement in “supporting Bush with 90% of his votes”.
Senator Obama: if you want to debate judgement, we can discuss little issues like Jeremiah Wright, Michael Pfleger, Tony Rezko and William Ayres. What does your years-long association with these folks-even as you became a politician-say about your judgement.
In the area of energy, Obama promised to end our dependence on Middle Eastern oil in 10 years…… but forget drilling. If this man thinks we will not be using oil in 10years, he is nuts. The choice for us is where are we going to get that oil until the day comes when alternate sources of energy are established.
He also reminded us that “we (Democrats) are the party of Roosevelt and John F Kennedy”. Well, yes-and don’t forget Truman, but you are also the party of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. (I’ll stop there.)
To sum up, Obama used his great oratorical skills to put on a spectacular show at Investco. Once you get past the soaring tone of this clearly charismatic figure, what we are left with is Barack Obama, an experienced, unqualified and very liberal junior senator, who has just outlined the usual liberal laundry list, albeit in masked words.
gary fouse
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gary fouse on August 29, 2008 at 12:53 PM
I strongly support Senator Obama. To me he represents compassion of Christianity better than any candidate of my lifetime.
philnewkirk on August 29, 2008 at 1:40 PM
just had to get on page 25…sheesh, hope you upgraded your servers.
kirkill on August 29, 2008 at 4:39 PM
I am feeling so emotionally attached to the megathreads here. I wish they could go on forever.
carbon_footprint on August 29, 2008 at 8:30 PM
How’s the Obama-flavored Kool-Aid taste? Easily fooled by meaningless rhetoric, are you?
Compassion is giving to charity.
Compassion is not taking someone else’s money at gunpoint and giving it to your own charity.
Compassion is volunteering to help your community.
Compassion is not taking a community organizer job that consists of funneling public money to mobbed-up cronies that squander it while doing little or nothing to help the community.
Hollowpoint on August 29, 2008 at 9:05 PM
To paraphrase Ace: He intends to split atoms with his mind.
Hollowpoint on August 29, 2008 at 9:07 PM
They won’t be domestic… he’ll buy power from the many… um… uh… reactors that Iran says they are building.
electric-rascal on August 30, 2008 at 12:09 AM
I don’t buy those talking points.
Senator Obama represents Christ’s messages of faith, hope and love.
philnewkirk on August 30, 2008 at 12:27 AM
After watching and reading about Governor Palin all I can say is, “Obama who?”.
Guardian on August 31, 2008 at 1:26 AM
Well the big problem is don’t we have to beat it with the McCain speech thread?
mad saint jack on August 31, 2008 at 6:49 AM
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