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	<title>Comments on: Awesomely awesome: Clinton asks crowd, why vote for a guy you agree with if he can&#8217;t get things done?</title>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Video: Big Me dissing the Big O</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/26/awesomely-awesome-clinton-asks-crowd-why-vote-for-a-guy-you-agree-with-if-he-cant-get-things-done/comment-page-2/#comment-1340312</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Video: Big Me dissing the Big O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Allahpundit posted the Politico story today, but this is delicious enough in an Operation Chaos sense that the video deserves a peek.  You make the call: was Bill making one last pitch to dump Barack Obama in favor of the dynasty, or merely giving an audition for a position as Professor of Political Science at NYCC? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Allahpundit posted the Politico story today, but this is delicious enough in an Operation Chaos sense that the video deserves a peek.  You make the call: was Bill making one last pitch to dump Barack Obama in favor of the dynasty, or merely giving an audition for a position as Professor of Political Science at NYCC? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Clinton Poses a Real Hypothetica Questionl,&#8221;Why Vote for a guy (Obama) you agree with if he can’t get things Done?&#8221; &#124; Scared Monkeys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Clinton Poses a Real Hypothetica Questionl,&#8221;Why Vote for a guy (Obama) you agree with if he can’t get things Done?&#8221; &#124; Scared Monkeys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] before his wife, Hillary Clinton, takes center stage at the Democratic National Convention Bill Clinton just out of the blue and unrelated to any faction of disgruntled Democratic&#160;suppor...who are trying to decide between a &#8220;wet behind the ears&#8221; candidate who they agree [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] before his wife, Hillary Clinton, takes center stage at the Democratic National Convention Bill Clinton just out of the blue and unrelated to any faction of disgruntled Democratic&nbsp;suppor&#8230;who are trying to decide between a &#8220;wet behind the ears&#8221; candidate who they agree [...]</p>
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		<title>By: silverfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>silverfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Drudge has it buried in a crowd of other teasers at the top of the Report right now, making it safely ignorable by the press. Will he go nuclear by fronting it and force their hand? Or will he remain safely hip-deep in the tank? Stay tuned!


&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I say hip-deep.  But there&#039;s a snakie serpent wrapping itself around his legs!  Matt, get out your com-device and get C3PO and R2D2 to stop the garbage compactor before it&#039;s too late!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Drudge has it buried in a crowd of other teasers at the top of the Report right now, making it safely ignorable by the press. Will he go nuclear by fronting it and force their hand? Or will he remain safely hip-deep in the tank? Stay tuned!</p>
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<p>I say hip-deep.  But there&#8217;s a snakie serpent wrapping itself around his legs!  Matt, get out your com-device and get C3PO and R2D2 to stop the garbage compactor before it&#8217;s too late!</p>
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		<title>By: Pillage Idiot: If Barack Obama were Jewish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pillage Idiot: If Barack Obama were Jewish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;If Barack Obama were Jewish, instead of the Second Coming of Jesus, Part 6...&lt;/strong&gt;

Obama (shouting into his cell phone): No . . . no . . . Bill, no . . . Bill . . . I know, Bill . . . listen to me . . . sha shtil . . . listen, Bill, you&#039;re . . . you&#039;re the last goddam Democratic ......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>If Barack Obama were Jewish, instead of the Second Coming of Jesus, Part 6&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Obama (shouting into his cell phone): No . . . no . . . Bill, no . . . Bill . . . I know, Bill . . . listen to me . . . sha shtil . . . listen, Bill, you&#8217;re . . . you&#8217;re the last goddam Democratic &#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: YiZhangZhe</title>
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		<dc:creator>YiZhangZhe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;nothing to do with what&#039;s going on now&quot;
??
So a former president, husband of a woman who wants to be president, makes remarks about voting choices at a convention where voting is required and which exists because of a forthcoming national presidential election ... and yet his remarks have nothing to do with that election.

Incredible. What kind of fantasy land do these people occupy, and how many people are sufficiently stupid to share that pathetic fantasy.

He and his ilk are, were and possibly always will be unfit for public service. They lack substance and moral understanding and consequently they can&#039;t tell the difference between the office of presidency and some kind of private, petulant, party game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;nothing to do with what&#8217;s going on now&#8221;<br />
??<br />
So a former president, husband of a woman who wants to be president, makes remarks about voting choices at a convention where voting is required and which exists because of a forthcoming national presidential election &#8230; and yet his remarks have nothing to do with that election.</p>
<p>Incredible. What kind of fantasy land do these people occupy, and how many people are sufficiently stupid to share that pathetic fantasy.</p>
<p>He and his ilk are, were and possibly always will be unfit for public service. They lack substance and moral understanding and consequently they can&#8217;t tell the difference between the office of presidency and some kind of private, petulant, party game.</p>
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		<title>By: Let it go, Bill, Let it go&#8230;.. &#8211; Political Byline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Let it go, Bill, Let it go&#8230;.. &#8211; Political Byline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Weekly Standard Blog, Wake up America, Donklephant, Taylor Marsh, Truthdig, The New Republic and Hot Air and more via [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Weekly Standard Blog, Wake up America, Donklephant, Taylor Marsh, Truthdig, The New Republic and Hot Air and more via [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill and Hillary Are Absolutely NOT Playing Ball &#124; The Patriot Room</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill and Hillary Are Absolutely NOT Playing Ball &#124; The Patriot Room</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pretty much said McCain is the only guy responsible people would vote for. This one is Politico via Hot Air via Ace again.  Bill Clinton appeared to undermine Sen. Barack Obama again [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] pretty much said McCain is the only guy responsible people would vote for. This one is Politico via Hot Air via Ace again.  Bill Clinton appeared to undermine Sen. Barack Obama again [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Waiting for the Kitchen Tray to Drop in Denver &#124; The Sundries Shack</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/26/awesomely-awesome-clinton-asks-crowd-why-vote-for-a-guy-you-agree-with-if-he-cant-get-things-done/comment-page-2/#comment-1337429</link>
		<dc:creator>Waiting for the Kitchen Tray to Drop in Denver &#124; The Sundries Shack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one side and the Obamessiah&#8217;s disciples on the other. Bill Clinton is telling Democrats that maybe they wouldn&#8217;t be best off with Obama as President. Hillary&#8217;s big speech tonight may not name Obama at all. Obama is bossing her around and the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] one side and the Obamessiah&#8217;s disciples on the other. Bill Clinton is telling Democrats that maybe they wouldn&#8217;t be best off with Obama as President. Hillary&#8217;s big speech tonight may not name Obama at all. Obama is bossing her around and the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hillary&#8217;s test run ignored Obama</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/26/awesomely-awesome-clinton-asks-crowd-why-vote-for-a-guy-you-agree-with-if-he-cant-get-things-done/comment-page-2/#comment-1337264</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hillary&#8217;s test run ignored Obama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] together with Bill Clinton&#8217;s remarks earlier today as well, it looks like the Clintons have decided to only give grudging and tepid [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] together with Bill Clinton&#8217;s remarks earlier today as well, it looks like the Clintons have decided to only give grudging and tepid [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JC Silverberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC Silverberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that had been politically possible it would ahve been done a long time ago. No, these muslism serve as a trusty treasure house of votes for the socialists and an anti-christian/anti-western force for the radicals. The rest of the population has been intimidated by racism charges and pumped up by feelgood sentiments of being a &quot;world conscience&quot; and supreme moral authority on the world arean all since the late 1960ies. The opposition against this policy of muslim settlement is growing steadily but slowly and under enormous pressure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that had been politically possible it would ahve been done a long time ago. No, these muslism serve as a trusty treasure house of votes for the socialists and an anti-christian/anti-western force for the radicals. The rest of the population has been intimidated by racism charges and pumped up by feelgood sentiments of being a &#8220;world conscience&#8221; and supreme moral authority on the world arean all since the late 1960ies. The opposition against this policy of muslim settlement is growing steadily but slowly and under enormous pressure.</p>
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		<title>By: john1schn</title>
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		<dc:creator>john1schn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That we have high taxes is not because we ahve government paid health care, it is because we have government paid everything and a massive influx of improductive immigrants (mainly muslims) that do not want to work but instead claim social benefits that cost us tens of billions of dollars annually, actually more than our defence budget.

JC Silverberg on August 26, 2008 at 5:37 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And why are these immigrants in your country if you cannot afford them? Cut them off and deport the ones who refuse to become productive members of your society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That we have high taxes is not because we ahve government paid health care, it is because we have government paid everything and a massive influx of improductive immigrants (mainly muslims) that do not want to work but instead claim social benefits that cost us tens of billions of dollars annually, actually more than our defence budget.</p>
<p>JC Silverberg on August 26, 2008 at 5:37 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>And why are these immigrants in your country if you cannot afford them? Cut them off and deport the ones who refuse to become productive members of your society.</p>
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		<title>By: JC Silverberg</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/26/awesomely-awesome-clinton-asks-crowd-why-vote-for-a-guy-you-agree-with-if-he-cant-get-things-done/comment-page-2/#comment-1337054</link>
		<dc:creator>JC Silverberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.
Income (SEK)----------Tax rate (%) 
-328 000    -----------------   30-36 
328 100-495 000 ------   50-57 
495 100-    -----------------  55-62 
.
(6.40 SEK = 1 USD)
.
The above table means that for the portion of your income that is up to 328.000 SEK (51.250 USD) the tax rate is 30-36% (varying depending on the local municipality, though there are also several tax breaks for really low incomes, government benefits like rent assistance, like child support (for everyone whether you are rich or poor) and the first 10.000 SEK in income is tax free so the actual calculation is somewhat more complex.) Only those who earn more than the cut off value of 51.250 USD pay the higher tax rate and then only on that portion of their income that is above the cut off value.

That we have high taxes is not because we ahve government paid health care, it is because we have government paid &lt;em&gt;everything&lt;/em&gt; and a massive influx of improductive immigrants (mainly muslims) that do not want to work but instead claim social benefits that cost us tens of billions of dollars annually, actually more than our defence budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.<br />
Income (SEK)&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-Tax rate (%)<br />
-328 000    &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;   30-36<br />
328 100-495 000 &#8212;&#8212;   50-57<br />
495 100-    &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;  55-62<br />
.<br />
(6.40 SEK = 1 USD)<br />
.<br />
The above table means that for the portion of your income that is up to 328.000 SEK (51.250 USD) the tax rate is 30-36% (varying depending on the local municipality, though there are also several tax breaks for really low incomes, government benefits like rent assistance, like child support (for everyone whether you are rich or poor) and the first 10.000 SEK in income is tax free so the actual calculation is somewhat more complex.) Only those who earn more than the cut off value of 51.250 USD pay the higher tax rate and then only on that portion of their income that is above the cut off value.</p>
<p>That we have high taxes is not because we ahve government paid health care, it is because we have government paid <em>everything</em> and a massive influx of improductive immigrants (mainly muslims) that do not want to work but instead claim social benefits that cost us tens of billions of dollars annually, actually more than our defence budget.</p>
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		<title>By: trailboss</title>
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		<dc:creator>trailboss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love teh Dems.  They make my life happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love teh Dems.  They make my life happy.</p>
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		<title>By: TheHat</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheHat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*BUMP, BUMP*  There goes Obama under the bus!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*BUMP, BUMP*  There goes Obama under the bus!</p>
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		<title>By: sulla</title>
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		<dc:creator>sulla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;    Loose Cannon to the right of them,
    Loose Cannon to the left of them,
    Loose Cannon in front of them
    Volleyed and thunder’d;
    Storm’d at with shot and shell,
    Boldly they rode and well,
    Into the jaws of Death,
    Into the mouth of Hell,
    Rode the DNC.

    trailboss on August 26, 2008 at 4:04 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

*whistles and applauds*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>    Loose Cannon to the right of them,<br />
    Loose Cannon to the left of them,<br />
    Loose Cannon in front of them<br />
    Volleyed and thunder’d;<br />
    Storm’d at with shot and shell,<br />
    Boldly they rode and well,<br />
    Into the jaws of Death,<br />
    Into the mouth of Hell,<br />
    Rode the DNC.</p>
<p>    trailboss on August 26, 2008 at 4:04 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>*whistles and applauds*</p>
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		<title>By: New Bill Wonders As He Wanders &#171; Beltway Snark</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Bill Wonders As He Wanders &#171; Beltway Snark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wonders As He&#160;Wanders  Jump to Comments Oh that Bill, always pondering weighty issues like who one should vote for given the choices we have this year. Bill Clinton appeared to undermine Sen. Barack Obama again [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wonders As He&nbsp;Wanders  Jump to Comments Oh that Bill, always pondering weighty issues like who one should vote for given the choices we have this year. Bill Clinton appeared to undermine Sen. Barack Obama again [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chakra Hammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chakra Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There may be a much simpler explanation. Obama is a nice lookin’ guy.

a capella on August 26, 2008 at 4:38 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I believe Matt&#039;s a Libertarian for a reason.. :\

a different meaning to the term &quot;bathtub boy&quot;(not that there&#039;s anything wrong with that)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There may be a much simpler explanation. Obama is a nice lookin’ guy.</p>
<p>a capella on August 26, 2008 at 4:38 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe Matt&#8217;s a Libertarian for a reason.. :\</p>
<p>a different meaning to the term &#8220;bathtub boy&#8221;(not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with that)</p>
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		<title>By: Quisp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;JC Silverberg on August 26, 2008 at 4:53 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And I understand your top marginal income tax rate is around 60 percent (down, actually, from a high of 87 percent back in the 1970s, but climbing again).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>JC Silverberg on August 26, 2008 at 4:53 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>And I understand your top marginal income tax rate is around 60 percent (down, actually, from a high of 87 percent back in the 1970s, but climbing again).</p>
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		<title>By: Quisp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JC Silverberg on August 26, 2008 at 4:53 PM

And I understand your top marginal income tax rate is around 60 percent (down, actually, from a high of 87 percent back in the 1970s, but climbing again).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JC Silverberg on August 26, 2008 at 4:53 PM</p>
<p>And I understand your top marginal income tax rate is around 60 percent (down, actually, from a high of 87 percent back in the 1970s, but climbing again).</p>
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		<title>By: Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » More Popcorn, Dammit!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » More Popcorn, Dammit!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] may have to hook up the spare microwave if we&#8217;re to have any hopes of keeping up here: Bill Clinton appeared to undermine Sen. Barack Obama again [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] may have to hook up the spare microwave if we&#8217;re to have any hopes of keeping up here: Bill Clinton appeared to undermine Sen. Barack Obama again [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JC Silverberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC Silverberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well actually it is a bit over 9 million but anyway... It would not work any less with 9 billion people... 
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Lets have a theoretical experiment. Lets say we have a population of 10 contributing to the hospital through taxes. Let us also say that it is a 20% chance to contract a serious illness during your lifetime. That means that these ten people will pay for the healthcare of two persons. Because the low number of people involved there is no economy of scale involved, (accumualted experience is low, no effects of aggregation nor of mass production). The cost for each of these two surgeries are therfore extremely high. Added to this is another problem even more pertinent to your question of numbers: With a small population both the chance of and the impact of statistical aberrations are all the greater. If we increase the population to 9 million maybe the statistical chance of contracting a serious illness during ones lifetime drops to 17% in our example (larger population gives better statistics) and of course we now see economies of scale. Well this argument was just to refute your &quot;5 million hypothesis&quot;.
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Now to the real discussion. Universal healthcare is a matter of human dignity as well as human productivity. The dignity aspect is so self-evident that i will not touch it further in this post. The productivity approach then? It it not also rather clear that people who feel safe work better since anxiety levels drop and theya re not forced to keep improductive cash reserves inc ase of illness or pay for expensive insurances which give little security since it is universally known that insurance companies always and as a matter of principle to to shirk their contractual responsibilities and also demand a hefty profit margin which increase the spending while reducing the health care received for the customer. In my view the health insurance industry is nothing but a parasite feeding off the insecurity of the citizens, a parasite that could be made redundant by government intervention.
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Is then everything fine and dandy in Sweden? Not at all, in many areas Sweden has much larger problems than the US but health care is not one of them. The problems we have with health care is not the government financing but the policy of our late socialist government (we now have a market oriented government, in European parlance a liberal government, in american parlance a conservative one) that prohibited private hospitals. We now have a few private upstarts that compete with the more ineffectively run government hospitals withing the same government financing system. Quite an ideal system I would say - everyone has equal access but everyone can compete and the patients can chose their provider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well actually it is a bit over 9 million but anyway&#8230; It would not work any less with 9 billion people&#8230;<br />
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Lets have a theoretical experiment. Lets say we have a population of 10 contributing to the hospital through taxes. Let us also say that it is a 20% chance to contract a serious illness during your lifetime. That means that these ten people will pay for the healthcare of two persons. Because the low number of people involved there is no economy of scale involved, (accumualted experience is low, no effects of aggregation nor of mass production). The cost for each of these two surgeries are therfore extremely high. Added to this is another problem even more pertinent to your question of numbers: With a small population both the chance of and the impact of statistical aberrations are all the greater. If we increase the population to 9 million maybe the statistical chance of contracting a serious illness during ones lifetime drops to 17% in our example (larger population gives better statistics) and of course we now see economies of scale. Well this argument was just to refute your &#8220;5 million hypothesis&#8221;.<br />
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Now to the real discussion. Universal healthcare is a matter of human dignity as well as human productivity. The dignity aspect is so self-evident that i will not touch it further in this post. The productivity approach then? It it not also rather clear that people who feel safe work better since anxiety levels drop and theya re not forced to keep improductive cash reserves inc ase of illness or pay for expensive insurances which give little security since it is universally known that insurance companies always and as a matter of principle to to shirk their contractual responsibilities and also demand a hefty profit margin which increase the spending while reducing the health care received for the customer. In my view the health insurance industry is nothing but a parasite feeding off the insecurity of the citizens, a parasite that could be made redundant by government intervention.<br />
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Is then everything fine and dandy in Sweden? Not at all, in many areas Sweden has much larger problems than the US but health care is not one of them. The problems we have with health care is not the government financing but the policy of our late socialist government (we now have a market oriented government, in European parlance a liberal government, in american parlance a conservative one) that prohibited private hospitals. We now have a few private upstarts that compete with the more ineffectively run government hospitals withing the same government financing system. Quite an ideal system I would say &#8211; everyone has equal access but everyone can compete and the patients can chose their provider.</p>
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		<title>By: a capella</title>
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		<dc:creator>a capella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Carter’s not exactly helping things, either.
Jimmy Carter refers to Obama as “this black boy.”

Quisp on August 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;LOL. I&#039;ve always had a soft spot fer old Jimmy. He says the derndest things. Accompanied by a pat on the head, perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Carter’s not exactly helping things, either.<br />
Jimmy Carter refers to Obama as “this black boy.”</p>
<p>Quisp on August 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>LOL. I&#8217;ve always had a soft spot fer old Jimmy. He says the derndest things. Accompanied by a pat on the head, perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: a capella</title>
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		<dc:creator>a capella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;OK, just so that we’re 100% clear. Would it be fair to say that Matt Drudge hates freedom?

freevillage on August 26, 2008 at 3:12 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;There may be a much simpler explanation. Obama is a nice lookin&#039; guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>OK, just so that we’re 100% clear. Would it be fair to say that Matt Drudge hates freedom?</p>
<p>freevillage on August 26, 2008 at 3:12 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>There may be a much simpler explanation. Obama is a nice lookin&#8217; guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Borislav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Borislav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am actually starting to like Bill Clinton.

Hell has officially frozen over ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am actually starting to like Bill Clinton.</p>
<p>Hell has officially frozen over ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Entelechy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Entelechy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but &lt;strike&gt;he&lt;/strike&gt; she can deliver. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Which candidate are you going to vote for?”
Then, perhaps mindful of how his off-the-cuff remarks might be taken, Clinton added after a pause: &lt;blockquote&gt;“This has nothing to do with&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Two lies, one he said &quot;he&quot;, not &quot;she&quot;, and the &quot;nothing to do&quot;. He&#039;s full of rage and it&#039;s a beauty.

His legacy, and his problems with Hillary over his tryst, were not redeemed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but <strike>he</strike> she can deliver. </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Which candidate are you going to vote for?”<br />
Then, perhaps mindful of how his off-the-cuff remarks might be taken, Clinton added after a pause:<br />
<blockquote>“This has nothing to do with</p></blockquote>
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<p>Two lies, one he said &#8220;he&#8221;, not &#8220;she&#8221;, and the &#8220;nothing to do&#8221;. He&#8217;s full of rage and it&#8217;s a beauty.</p>
<p>His legacy, and his problems with Hillary over his tryst, were not redeemed.</p>
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