Awesomely awesome: Clinton asks crowd, why vote for a guy you agree with if he can’t get things done?

posted at 2:52 pm on August 26, 2008 by Allahpundit

Just an innocent hypothetical, totally unrelated to anything in the news about a disgruntled bloc trying to decide between an ineffectual neophyte with whose policies they agree and an effective veteran with crossover appeal.

And to think, Politico accused him this morning of not being over the primary.

Bill Clinton appeared to undermine Sen. Barack Obama again Tuesday.

The former president, speaking in Denver, posed a hypothetical question in which he seemed to suggest that that the Democratic Party was making a mistake in choosing Obama as its presidential nominee.

He said: “Suppose you’re a voter, and you’ve got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don’t think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?”

Then, perhaps mindful of how his off-the-cuff remarks might be taken, Clinton added after a pause: “This has nothing to do with what’s going on now.”

Quoth a panicky Paul Begala when questioned by The Hill, repeating his point as if trying to convince himself, “He’s totally for Barack. He’s totally for Barack.” Exit question: What does the media do with this ahead of tonight’s speech? Bill’s gaffes earned instant saturation coverage during the primary, but that was back when covering them helped Obama. This one hurts him as a juicy subplot undermining the sincerity of Her Majesty’s speech tonight, which is precisely why, I’m guessing, it’ll be downplayed. Drudge has it buried in a crowd of other teasers at the top of the Report right now, making it safely ignorable by the press. Will he go nuclear by fronting it and force their hand? Or will he remain safely hip-deep in the tank? Stay tuned!


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But the risk that Oblahblah will sign crappy legislation from a Democrap Congress (think fairness doctrine) I think out-weighs this concern.

mr.blacksheep on August 26, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Remember that McCain violated the First Amendment with McCain Feingold, so what are the chances he wouldn’t sign a Fairness Doctrine law if it was attached to one of his pet projects, such as Amnesty or even his beloved Cap and Trade plan?

Snake307 on August 26, 2008 at 3:30 PM

The Clintons do NOT support Obama. If Obama wins then Hillary will never be POTUS. If BHO loses then Hillary will run again in 2012. BHO will be damaged goods. The Clintons will do what they can to make sure the One loses.

DerKrieger on August 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Don’t forget the race hustlers! They will be out of job if The One is elected. They need to keep “community organizing” so their candidates will be elected. Obama makes that a non-issue.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 26, 2008 at 3:31 PM

FACT The Bush tax cuts are going to expire in 2010. So that means we have to get a tax cut bill through Congress with Reid and Pelosi in charge. What are the odds of that happening? How about No way in hell. If McCain is President, there is still no way our taxes aren’t going up. They will go up, when the tax cuts expire. We’ll get blamed for it by the press, and the average citizens who don’t pay enough attention to the details, and we Republicans will be blamed.

FACT. John McCain wants Carbon Cap and trade, which has been labeled by business leaders as detrimental to the economy, several having called it disastrous. Anyone here think McCain can’t get it through Congress?

These are FACTS, from McCain’s website, and the Tax Policy website. Opinion is mixed in, but here’s the deal folks, the truth follows fact like a trailer follows a truck.

Snake307 on August 26, 2008 at 3:27 PM

1. Pelosi and Reid (assuming dems hold both houses) will not allow those cuts to expire, lest they lose more seats.

2. Cap and Trade is more campaign than promise. I bet it does not survive. I can hear ‘economy does not allow us at this time…” already.

Remember, it takes 535 people to get a bill to the President, and only one President to sign it or veto it. I suggest that we have a better shot on amnesty, cap and trade and tax cuts with McCain.

Vashta.Nerada on August 26, 2008 at 3:31 PM

I wonder if satan needs to borrow my down jacket…sounds like hell has just froze over.

Possibly. Afterall, his spawn is having a hard time getting the nomination at his own convention – – no thanks to the Clintons. Satan himself can’t get over on them. And to think he considered them useful tools at one time…

Rick on August 26, 2008 at 3:31 PM

On the same token, Snake – look at how much greater the threat would be with Obama-sama in office. Not only would he have the same (and WORSE) legislation getting through, it would slide out like greased lightning thanks to Reid and Pelosi.

At least with McCain, there will be SOME resistance.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on August 26, 2008 at 3:31 PM

It took one torpedo to disable the Bismark. I wonder how much longer Barack’s ship’s going to last with Dean and Clinton running amok in the same waters.

CFL on August 26, 2008 at 3:32 PM

The Clintons…sucking the oxygen out of the room since 1991. We will sell no “whine” before its time.

Wyznowski on August 26, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Remember that McCain violated the First Amendment with McCain Feingold, so what are the chances he wouldn’t sign a Fairness Doctrine law if it was attached to one of his pet projects, such as Amnesty or even his beloved Cap and Trade plan?

Snake307 on August 26, 2008 at 3:30 PM

none….he’s obama-lite.

right4life on August 26, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Obama:

“Et tu, Bill?”

I’m pinching myself. I never thought I would ever be rooting for a Clinton.

Guess if you live long enough…

Gotta go. I’m out of popcorn and it going to be a long couple of nights in front of the TV.

turfmann on August 26, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Clinton to Obama: Hey, did you get that thing I sent ya?

lorien1973 on August 26, 2008 at 3:34 PM

The Clintons NEED Obama to lose now. That way they (she) an run in 2012 and use a big ole “I Told ya so” then.

Elizabetty on August 26, 2008 at 3:34 PM

I’m just thrilled that my fav Bubba pic is on the front page personally.

saus on August 26, 2008 at 3:35 PM

“This has nothing to do with what [is] going on now.”

It all depends on what your definition of “is” is.

Kafir on August 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Snake307 or snake in the grass?

Chakra Hammer on August 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM

CFL on August 26, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Bismark Obama

Elizabetty on August 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM

none….he’s obama-lite.

right4life on August 26, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Still less destructive than the full package.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on August 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM

I had to call 911 on that last line:…”Clinton added after a pause: “This has nothing to do with what’s going on now.” yes, King Lear and your fly is open. ROFLMAO.
You couldn’t have hoped for a better barb from a Repub.

Christine on August 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Grue in the Attic on August 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Enjoying a 7 course meal for lunch? : )

Rick on August 26, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Still less destructive than the full package.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on August 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM

actually I disagree. as mccain is reaching out (bending over) to the democrats he can use republican party discipline to get the republicans to go along.

at least with obama as pres, the repubs might grow a spine and resist him.

right4life on August 26, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Enjoying a 7 course meal for lunch? : )

Rick on August 26, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Quite. ;)

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on August 26, 2008 at 3:40 PM

I’m from Europe, and believe me: You DON’T want the government to completely take over health care. It doesn’t get more humane, only much more inefficient and expensive. It can bankrupt the nation within generations.

evenfarer on August 26, 2008 at 3:30 PM

I’ve lived in both Australia and Canada, which have socialized medicine (they may call it something different, but the practical difference is imperceptible). Believe me, socialized medicine is a way for everyone to get the same shoddy, sloppy care. It may suck, but gee, it sure is expensive!

mr.blacksheep on August 26, 2008 at 3:41 PM

I’m starting to like this Bill Clinton guy.

CanadianGuy on August 26, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Damn, my local grocery is out of popcorn!

Lonetown on August 26, 2008 at 3:42 PM

The McCain ad with this quote needs to air on Thursday night, during Obama’s empty acceptance speech.

I bet Bill thinks an Obama administration would be more disastrous for democrats than, oh maybe the Clinton administration.

For once, he has a point.

Right_of_Attila on August 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM

So in other words Bill, vote McCain this time, get half a loaf
and Hillary gets another shot in 12.
Of coarse you’re not talking about now.

ireckun on August 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM

CFL on August 26, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Carter’s not exactly helping things, either.
Jimmy Carter refers to Obama as “this black boy.”

Quisp on August 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Why is it so far fetched for modern Americans to believe that the Clintons could stage a coup and overtake the Convention? It’s been done before and they’re just the ones to try it. They have nothing to lose because they’re already considered renegades of The Party.

sbynyc on August 26, 2008 at 3:46 PM

Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver.

Oh, if only he’d said “she”…

Jim Treacher on August 26, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Quisp on August 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Carter showing us what the Dem party is all about. Have you sent this to Allah as a tip?

Rick on August 26, 2008 at 3:49 PM

I live in Sweden and we have government run hospitals and medical care is largely free and it works quite well.

JC Silverberg on August 26, 2008 at 3:59 PM

The best part about this is that the Clintons are sending the message that they will not be going quietly into the night! Who knows what is going on behind the scenes. If the Dems ever do get around to having a real roll call on the nomination, it could be mighty fun to watch.

highhopes on August 26, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Loose Cannon to the right of them,
Loose Cannon to the left of them,
Loose Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thunder’d;
Storm’d at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell,
Rode the DNC.

trailboss on August 26, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Everyone make sure you visit the drudge link at least 2 or 3 times while you’re thinking about it.

myamphibian on August 26, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Haaaaaaaaa!
No He didn’t!

Love it.
Wow….It takes an Obama to make me enjoy the Clintons. That’s definitely CHANGE.

bridgetown on August 26, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Ah, Clinton. We shall never see his like again…

sulla on August 26, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Let’s all be nice and show the PUMA gang some GOP lovin’!

mick on August 26, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Ew, no thanks.

FWIW, I thought Slick was telling people to vote for McCain.

baldilocks on August 26, 2008 at 4:11 PM

Loose Cannon to the right of them,
Loose Cannon to the left of them,
Loose Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thunder’d;
Storm’d at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell,
Rode the DNC.

trailboss on August 26, 2008 at 4:04 PM

+5

Well said with a tip of the hat to the classics.

SuperCool on August 26, 2008 at 4:12 PM

I live in Sweden and we have government run hospitals and medical care is largely free and it works quite well.

And the population of Sweden compared to that of the US is…? I’m speaking from ignorance here but would venture a guess that many of the most advanced medical procedures and miracle drugs we have today were developed either entirely or in part by the US medical system as it exists today. Socializing medicine not only would kill off the kind of medical research we have now but would destroy the medical system that we know.

sdd on August 26, 2008 at 4:12 PM

I live in Sweden and we have government run hospitals and medical care is largely free and it works quite well.

JC Silverberg on August 26, 2008 at 3:59 PM

That’s because you only have 5 million people and we have over 300 million people. I think that makes a big difference.

cjs1943 on August 26, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Okay, I see others figured this out also.

baldilocks on August 26, 2008 at 4:13 PM

CNN is covering the quote right now.

mythicknight on August 26, 2008 at 4:14 PM

SuperCool on August 26, 2008 at 4:12 PM

that’s why they are classics…

trailboss on August 26, 2008 at 4:18 PM

On the same token, Snake – look at how much greater the threat would be with Obama-sama in office. Not only would he have the same (and WORSE) legislation getting through, it would slide out like greased lightning thanks to Reid and Pelosi.

At least with McCain, there will be SOME resistance.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on August 26, 2008 at 3:31 PM

McCain and resistance? To his own legislation? He proposed that legislation. He’s already said he’d sign the McCain Amnesty Bill if it arrived on his desk as President. What Resistance are you dreaming of? You’ve swallowed the lie that McCain is a Conservative haven’t you?

Snake307 on August 26, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Loose Cannon to the right of them,
Loose Cannon to the left of them,
Loose Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thunder’d;
Storm’d at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell,
Rode the DNC.

trailboss on August 26, 2008 at 4:04 PM

+5

Well said with a tip of the hat to the classics.

SuperCool on August 26, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Seconded. Wholeheartedly.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on August 26, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Over the primary? Clinton’s over the primary. Say what you will about Clinton’s politics, one thing he’ll never get over is having a Marxist that’s in bed with home grown, anti-American terrorists who still profess their treason, representing his party.

Dusty on August 26, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he she can deliver.

Which candidate are you going to vote for?”
Then, perhaps mindful of how his off-the-cuff remarks might be taken, Clinton added after a pause:

“This has nothing to do with

Two lies, one he said “he”, not “she”, and the “nothing to do”. He’s full of rage and it’s a beauty.

His legacy, and his problems with Hillary over his tryst, were not redeemed.

Entelechy on August 26, 2008 at 4:35 PM

I am actually starting to like Bill Clinton.

Hell has officially frozen over ;)

Borislav on August 26, 2008 at 4:38 PM

OK, just so that we’re 100% clear. Would it be fair to say that Matt Drudge hates freedom?

freevillage on August 26, 2008 at 3:12 PM

There may be a much simpler explanation. Obama is a nice lookin’ guy.

a capella on August 26, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Carter’s not exactly helping things, either.
Jimmy Carter refers to Obama as “this black boy.”

Quisp on August 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM

LOL. I’ve always had a soft spot fer old Jimmy. He says the derndest things. Accompanied by a pat on the head, perhaps?

a capella on August 26, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Well actually it is a bit over 9 million but anyway… It would not work any less with 9 billion people…
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Lets have a theoretical experiment. Lets say we have a population of 10 contributing to the hospital through taxes. Let us also say that it is a 20% chance to contract a serious illness during your lifetime. That means that these ten people will pay for the healthcare of two persons. Because the low number of people involved there is no economy of scale involved, (accumualted experience is low, no effects of aggregation nor of mass production). The cost for each of these two surgeries are therfore extremely high. Added to this is another problem even more pertinent to your question of numbers: With a small population both the chance of and the impact of statistical aberrations are all the greater. If we increase the population to 9 million maybe the statistical chance of contracting a serious illness during ones lifetime drops to 17% in our example (larger population gives better statistics) and of course we now see economies of scale. Well this argument was just to refute your “5 million hypothesis”.
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Now to the real discussion. Universal healthcare is a matter of human dignity as well as human productivity. The dignity aspect is so self-evident that i will not touch it further in this post. The productivity approach then? It it not also rather clear that people who feel safe work better since anxiety levels drop and theya re not forced to keep improductive cash reserves inc ase of illness or pay for expensive insurances which give little security since it is universally known that insurance companies always and as a matter of principle to to shirk their contractual responsibilities and also demand a hefty profit margin which increase the spending while reducing the health care received for the customer. In my view the health insurance industry is nothing but a parasite feeding off the insecurity of the citizens, a parasite that could be made redundant by government intervention.
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Is then everything fine and dandy in Sweden? Not at all, in many areas Sweden has much larger problems than the US but health care is not one of them. The problems we have with health care is not the government financing but the policy of our late socialist government (we now have a market oriented government, in European parlance a liberal government, in american parlance a conservative one) that prohibited private hospitals. We now have a few private upstarts that compete with the more ineffectively run government hospitals withing the same government financing system. Quite an ideal system I would say – everyone has equal access but everyone can compete and the patients can chose their provider.

JC Silverberg on August 26, 2008 at 4:53 PM

JC Silverberg on August 26, 2008 at 4:53 PM

And I understand your top marginal income tax rate is around 60 percent (down, actually, from a high of 87 percent back in the 1970s, but climbing again).

Quisp on August 26, 2008 at 5:12 PM

JC Silverberg on August 26, 2008 at 4:53 PM

And I understand your top marginal income tax rate is around 60 percent (down, actually, from a high of 87 percent back in the 1970s, but climbing again).

Quisp on August 26, 2008 at 5:13 PM

There may be a much simpler explanation. Obama is a nice lookin’ guy.

a capella on August 26, 2008 at 4:38 PM

I believe Matt’s a Libertarian for a reason.. :\

a different meaning to the term “bathtub boy”(not that there’s anything wrong with that)

Chakra Hammer on August 26, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Loose Cannon to the right of them,
Loose Cannon to the left of them,
Loose Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thunder’d;
Storm’d at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell,
Rode the DNC.

trailboss on August 26, 2008 at 4:04 PM

*whistles and applauds*

sulla on August 26, 2008 at 5:22 PM

*BUMP, BUMP* There goes Obama under the bus!

TheHat on August 26, 2008 at 5:27 PM

I love teh Dems. They make my life happy.

trailboss on August 26, 2008 at 5:30 PM

.
Income (SEK)———-Tax rate (%)
-328 000 —————– 30-36
328 100-495 000 —— 50-57
495 100- —————– 55-62
.
(6.40 SEK = 1 USD)
.
The above table means that for the portion of your income that is up to 328.000 SEK (51.250 USD) the tax rate is 30-36% (varying depending on the local municipality, though there are also several tax breaks for really low incomes, government benefits like rent assistance, like child support (for everyone whether you are rich or poor) and the first 10.000 SEK in income is tax free so the actual calculation is somewhat more complex.) Only those who earn more than the cut off value of 51.250 USD pay the higher tax rate and then only on that portion of their income that is above the cut off value.

That we have high taxes is not because we ahve government paid health care, it is because we have government paid everything and a massive influx of improductive immigrants (mainly muslims) that do not want to work but instead claim social benefits that cost us tens of billions of dollars annually, actually more than our defence budget.

JC Silverberg on August 26, 2008 at 5:37 PM

That we have high taxes is not because we ahve government paid health care, it is because we have government paid everything and a massive influx of improductive immigrants (mainly muslims) that do not want to work but instead claim social benefits that cost us tens of billions of dollars annually, actually more than our defence budget.

JC Silverberg on August 26, 2008 at 5:37 PM

And why are these immigrants in your country if you cannot afford them? Cut them off and deport the ones who refuse to become productive members of your society.

john1schn on August 26, 2008 at 6:03 PM

If that had been politically possible it would ahve been done a long time ago. No, these muslism serve as a trusty treasure house of votes for the socialists and an anti-christian/anti-western force for the radicals. The rest of the population has been intimidated by racism charges and pumped up by feelgood sentiments of being a “world conscience” and supreme moral authority on the world arean all since the late 1960ies. The opposition against this policy of muslim settlement is growing steadily but slowly and under enormous pressure.

JC Silverberg on August 26, 2008 at 6:32 PM

“nothing to do with what’s going on now”
??
So a former president, husband of a woman who wants to be president, makes remarks about voting choices at a convention where voting is required and which exists because of a forthcoming national presidential election … and yet his remarks have nothing to do with that election.

Incredible. What kind of fantasy land do these people occupy, and how many people are sufficiently stupid to share that pathetic fantasy.

He and his ilk are, were and possibly always will be unfit for public service. They lack substance and moral understanding and consequently they can’t tell the difference between the office of presidency and some kind of private, petulant, party game.

YiZhangZhe on August 26, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Drudge has it buried in a crowd of other teasers at the top of the Report right now, making it safely ignorable by the press. Will he go nuclear by fronting it and force their hand? Or will he remain safely hip-deep in the tank? Stay tuned!

I say hip-deep. But there’s a snakie serpent wrapping itself around his legs! Matt, get out your com-device and get C3PO and R2D2 to stop the garbage compactor before it’s too late!

silverfox on August 26, 2008 at 9:56 PM