Does Biden lose the youth vote with his support of the RIAA?
posted at 1:45 pm on August 25, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Unlike Barack Obama (and John Kerry, for that matter), Joe Biden has an actual record of legislative accomplishment in the Senate. The record shows a career focused mainly on crime, which gave Biden some substance in his claims as a moderate. One bill in particular, though, may create a lot more problems among Obama’s youthful supporters than he will bring to the ticket. Biden crafted the Perform Act, and as Declan McCullagh notes, that and more of Biden’s record on tech issues could antagonize Obama’s college-age base:
By choosing Joe Biden as their vice presidential candidate, the Democrats have selected a politician with a mixed record on technology who has spent most of his Senate career allied with the FBI and copyright holders, who ranks toward the bottom of CNET’s Technology Voters’ Guide, and whose anti-privacy legislation was actually responsible for the creation of PGP. …
After taking over the Foreign Relations committee, Biden became a staunch ally of Hollywood and the recording industry in their efforts to expand copyright law. He sponsored a bill in 2002 that would have make it a federal felony to trick certain types of devices into playing unauthorized music or executing unapproved computer programs. Biden’s bill was backed by content companies including News Corp. but eventually died after Verizon, Microsoft, Apple, eBay, and Yahoo lobbied against it.
A few months later, Biden signed a letter that urged the Justice Department “to prosecute individuals who intentionally allow mass copying from their computer over peer-to-peer networks.” Critics of this approach said that the Motion Picture Association of America and the Recording Industry Association of America, and not taxpayers, should pay for their own lawsuits.
Last year, Biden sponsored an RIAA-backed bill called the Perform Act aimed at restricting Americans’ ability to record and play back individual songs from satellite and Internet radio services.
Biden has more bad news in his record on tech issues. Biden has at times backed Internet taxes, which would act as a protectionist measure to brick-and-mortar businesses. Biden also attempted several times to undermine Internet encryption schemes, bills that eventually morphed into portions of the Patriot Act, which he supported, and led to the establishment of open-source PGP.
Conservatives and property-rights adherents can find some comfort in these conflicting positions. For the most part, the RIAA has the correct argument in their fight against online file sharing on copyrighted material. Biden’s bills went too far in putting the government in place of the RIAA as plaintiff, but the instinct was mostly correct. Material under copyright belongs to the copyright holder, who has the right to profit from the publication of the work, and those who duplicate and distribute the material without permission and without payment should suffer legal and financial consequences.
However, it’s fair to say that this opinion does not find great favor among the 18-29-year-old set on which Obama has rested his hopes for victory. Adding the great Senate champion of the RIAA to his ticket might impact their enthusiasm, perhaps markedly so. The advocates of P2P networks complain that Biden unfairly shuts them out of public hearings, and of other heavy-handed tactics during committee meetings. Biden also shrugs at the Net Neutrality movement, dismissing calls for legislation as unnecessary — even though his running mate strongly supported government intervention.
Most of this will fly over the heads of older voters, but for college-age voters, these are hot buttons that Biden keeps pressing. They will not appreciate his efforts on behalf of industry stalwarts like the RIAA and MPAA, and if enough of them hear about it, their enthusiasm could dim even further for Obama.










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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The old dude wants to take away the millenials “right” to free umlimited acess to someone else’s intellectucal property!
/keeps.getting.BETTER!
Buckaroo on August 25, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Biden takes credit for reducing crime in NYC while Rudy was Mayor…He is going to be very entertaining to watch.
joepub on August 25, 2008 at 1:51 PM
I would say yes, but the anti-RIAA sentiment has died off largely since MP3s became a legal-to-acquire item with a low price from places like ITunes and Wal-Mart, though I know DRM annoys the crap out of people like me.
If an ad will target his support, it could hurt, but probably not a lot. A majority of the idealistic youths will easily give up their free music for the sake of the Second Coming.
MadisonConservative on August 25, 2008 at 1:53 PM
So, should I sell some of my popcorn futures as profit-taking, or continue to hold for a bit longer? I have yet to see one positive in Biden as VP.
Think_b4_speaking on August 25, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Of course biden would support sales tax on internet purchases. Delaware doesn’t have a sales tax, so it would not harm hi constituents…
rbb on August 25, 2008 at 1:55 PM
I just can’t imagine a college crowd enthusisastic over Biden. This is going to be fun to watch.
Star20 on August 25, 2008 at 1:57 PM
I worked with a liberal engineering intern this past year (liberal, but not stupidly so). His opinions on file sharing (theft) and mine differ. A lot. He thinks that downloading without paying is perfectly okay. He also cannot remember that last piece of commercial software that he actually paid for. I don’t see this pick as actually shoring up his vote.
Physics Geek on August 25, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Stop, stop, my head is going to explode from all this good stuff.
HawaiiLwyr on August 25, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Did Biden ever have the youth vote? or any of the computer aged voters?
The guy is a walking condundrum of ways to “hold” the public and have the Guber’ent take care of them. And yet the lib’s turn their heads. I wonder if they would turn their heads if they couold get Amazon.com ?
upinak on August 25, 2008 at 1:59 PM
The RIAA is out to protect the big labels. The artist that want to self produce are the enemy. Those 12 year olds downloading MP3s aren’t buying CDs even if they weren’t downloading. Plus, like myself, I use it to get a taste of other markets. I’ve bought stuff from Korea and even the Czech Republic because of what’s been floating around online.
- The Cat
P.S. Polysics!
MirCat on August 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Biden is going to Steal the interweb!
Chakra Hammer on August 25, 2008 at 2:01 PM
You know, this thing just gets better and better, hour by hour.
pilamaye on August 25, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Is it me- or does that snarky smart-a55 grin of his resemble The Grinch?
FiveWays on August 25, 2008 at 2:01 PM
All I know is that by the one who shall not be named has done by picking him is he made hair plugs for men’s book a best seller gee thanks great one just what we needed 1 more lib on the best seller list.
tee866 on August 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Heh. I like my popcorn Chicago-style!!!!
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 25, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Although I support intellectual property rights, the RIAA is just a support group for the dinosaurs in the
buggy-whiprecording industry. A lot of musicians have figured out how to make the possibilities of giving away digital files work in their favor as far as marketing goes; meanwhile the RIAA is providing employment for ambulance-chasers by busting college kids. Leave it to Scranton Joe to be behind the curve.Captain Hate on August 25, 2008 at 2:04 PM
I just don’t see the so-called “Youth” vote coming out in the droves that they’re saying for Obama. They were supposed to for Kerry and didn’t show. They were supposed to for Clinton… twice… and didn’t show (he won in spite of them). They were supposed to come for Dukakis… and didn’t show. They were supposed to come for Mondale… and didn’t show.
Maybe they’ll come in moderately more numbers than the past (because he’s cool, and hip, and black, and has a funky name, and doesn’t look like any of the other presidents on the currency), but I don’t think it’ll be enough to put The One over the top.
crazy_legs on August 25, 2008 at 2:05 PM
No, the RIAA take down notices generate much controversy on campuses and there are few groups more loathed than the RIAA. Biden’s positions, if adequately convey, could cause a loss of support for the messiah, though I’m not sure there would be a gain for Maverick. Still in a zero-sum game, erosion of support / turnout will have an impact. I’m in the computing end of a state university – one that is getting RIAA take down notices – still teach every couple of semesters and students still use Limewire and other methods to obtain music, including legitimate sources like iTunes and eMusic. This is an issue that could play – it all depends on the framing: full page age ads associating Biden with the RIAA in the campus papers, Facebook and MySpace ads, etc. No doubt that much piracy goes on, but some of the copyright restrictions and extensions are onerous – especially as fair-use or academic/scholarly use are not looked upon favorably by the media companies.
esperpento on August 25, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Something tells me that they (RIAA) have greased the pockets of Biden himself or the DNC
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 25, 2008 at 2:09 PM
It’s a wash, since McCain is a self admitted low tech dork and supports the same piracy laws his good friend Biden does. There’s plenty of other stupid liberal stuff to tag Biden with. This is sophomoric over reach. Don’t let the popcorn feast give you a butter and salt buzz.
Fletch54 on August 25, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Don’t forget that a lot of these neo-hippies are also madly in love with Al Gore, despite the fact that his wife headed the PMRC, and they both championed the labeling of records for content; a move these same idiots labeled as censorship.
CurtZHP on August 25, 2008 at 2:10 PM
This was posted on Slashdot yesterday and the editors scrubbed the submission from a complaint about his pro-RIAA views to Slashdot – A look at Joe Biden’s Tech Voting record
The normally anti-RIAA, pro-leftist, pro-CNET, pro tech scores crowd there suddenly were all over themselves about how this article was poorly sourced, that CNET was running a political smear campaign, that Biden was merely trying to protect rights holders, not pro-RIAA and generally shouted down anyone who said otherwise.
Meanwhile, the libertarians of Digg on the other hand promptly smashed Biden down. The leftists won’t even talk about him, say McCain is worse and promptly upped their anti-McCain rhetoric and posts.
Digg – Biden disliked File Sharing, Net Neutrality and Encryption
Skywise on August 25, 2008 at 2:11 PM
I use P2P to download Linux distros and fansub Anime… screw Biden.
Chakra Hammer on August 25, 2008 at 2:17 PM
The Royalty fees the RIAA is imposing on web radio and some others has made them NO friends plus the way they have ripped off the musicians is real special.
I emailed all the musicians I work with when saw that the ‘O’ picked ‘Blowhard’ Biden. They aren’t real happy.
Old Hippie Vet on August 25, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Bama & Biden circus comes to town. A good photoshop opportunity for someone with that kind of talent.
Muletrain on August 25, 2008 at 2:18 PM
The kooks are already freaking out.
Check out their reaction.
“I want my free music!” hahahaha
JeffreyLloyd on August 25, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Captain Hate on August 25, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Quite true. The recording industry would never allow a customer to build his own album. Customers grew frustrated about having to buy collections that contained only about 10% songs they actually wanted – and typically about 50% songs they didn’t even like. Downloading and file sharing were inevitable.
whitetop on August 25, 2008 at 2:19 PM
The senator is after all from Delaware, where many of these brick and mortar operations are incorporated, making his position on this matter predictable.
Akzed on August 25, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Me too. But I’d like to find a way to devalue Hollywood’s product, such as reducing the barriers to entry, competition and distribution.
petefrt on August 25, 2008 at 2:21 PM
If the college crowd would like another reason to shun Biden, it turns out that he was also responsible for the bill banning bongs and other drug paraphernalia that landed Tommy Chong in jail. The killjoy…
Seriously though, I’m sure that the youth vote is not something that Obama has to worry about.
sublime on August 25, 2008 at 2:26 PM
OK, how about this scenario…
WARNING! Serious Conspiracy Theory to follow.
1) Obama; placates the ObamaNation with an “Anyone but Hillbeast” VP.
2) Picks VP that is 70% unpalatable to said ObamaNation, causing unrest in the ranks.
3) Works out deal with the HillPeople to have his decision overturned on the convention floor, making her the VP (floor police/secret meetings?).
4) Obama “I couldn’t stop it/I promised I wouldn’t put her on the ticket/I tried/I’m a victim here”.
Result… Total Party Unity/85% happiness/possible landslide in Nov.
ChrisM on August 25, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Buckaroo:
Ditto and too funny!
Karmi on August 25, 2008 at 2:31 PM
I couldn’t listen to Rush today but he has to be in heaven with all this stuff!!!
sabbott on August 25, 2008 at 2:31 PM
Biden – What a computer idiot. He needs to start thinking for himself instead of letting the industry lobbyists tell him what to think.
Same goes for McCain, who can’t even use a computer.
Thank you to the person who posted the Slashdot and Digg threads.
Xolom on August 25, 2008 at 2:36 PM
As the RIAA is a place where Musicians join to die…
So also is the internet to government control.
I will say this though, Obamamessiah and his dog Biden have just handed IT professional, geek, and gamer votes to McCain on a silver platter.
leetpriest on August 25, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Biden also wrote the 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act. Title XIa of this act is the infamous Federal Assault Weapons Ban.
meci on August 25, 2008 at 2:40 PM
If Biden is in the tank with the RIAA he’s probably a pawn of that crap-technology Macrovision as well. The VHS copy protection scheme which probably screwed up more legitimately purchased video tapes and the viewing quality thereof than the bootlegs.
viking01 on August 25, 2008 at 2:41 PM
Don’t forget the RAVE act, too.
daryl_herbert on August 25, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Thanks for the links.
I love all the
comments over there.
ChrisM on August 25, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Thanks to the ever-lovable RIAA, I can no longer play CDs on my computer – CD Copy Protection BS causes my CD drive to go crazy and sends WinAmp and WMP spiraling off into the zeon mist, never to be heard from again (Until killed by CTL/ALT/DEL then restarted, where the process repeats itself until the CD is removed).
Otherwise, I’m with MirCat on this… I’ve lost count of the number of groups I’ve downloaded a few songs to see if I like their work, then proceeded to buy CDs. The RIAA and their cohorts never seem to get that bit of it, how the DL’ers – at least most of them that I know – buy almost everything they DL, and trash what they don’t.
C’est la vie.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on August 25, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Ugh…DRM.
It hurts people who actually pay for the music…the ones that steal it, not so much. I bought a CD single about a year ago (last disc I’ll ever buy) from EMI. This is a CD Single, mind you. If you wanted to play it on your PC, you had to install a standalone player and if you wanted to rip it to make a mix (it’s a single!) you couldn’t unless you cracked the DRM…which took me about 5 minutes.
Now I buy all my music off Amazon as non-DRM mp3′s. The market has fundamentally changed…and the RIAA (and movie studios) have to adapt or die. DRM prevents nothing but sales. Every scheme that’s come out of Hollywood or from the record industry has been broken within days if not hours. Make it easy to get and priced competitively and people will gladly fork over their cash for a quality copy rather than downloading junk over Limewire for free. This non-portable, rootkit, expiring license crap stuff does not discourage crooks…only consumers.
Just stop with the DRM.
Asher on August 25, 2008 at 3:04 PM
I’ve broken the Code!!!
From the distance, say, from the back of an auditorium Joe Biden looks a bit like…Bill Clinton!
Obama really does think his Dems will fall for a lookalike.
“See? I’ve got ol’ Bill right here with me! Hope and Change, peepul!”
Doug on August 25, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Wow Doug, you’re right. Squint and lean your head to the left and it works at close range too.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on August 25, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Barack Obama needs to come out against the Big Music and Big Movie industry. He should talk about windfall profits and how the rich corporations sue 10 year olds and 72 year old grandmas.
He should propose a universal music initiative, free music for all. Should he do this, he may sway this former music pirate.
El_Terrible on August 25, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Any of these infringements in 1 step closer to every click being sanctioned and approved by the government. I don’t want China’s internet laws, but to me it looks like biden does. This is a lot more than p2p.
beefytee on August 25, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Biden is a barrel of laughs and the lid isn’t all the way off. Don’t get caught copying that old LP to cassette.
Feedie on August 25, 2008 at 3:31 PM
As a yute in the coveted 18-29 demographic, I’m totally turned off from Biden ’cause he’s old, and has old-man hair. And he eats puppies and kittens or something.
Seriously, is the youth vote that important? I mean, I vote because it’s my duty (and I have tons o’ civic pride), but are college-aged kids going to decide this election? Have they ever? I’m ashamed of my peers for their lack of massive voter turn-out, and I honestly don’t think they’re going to look into Biden’s past in deciding whether to vote for Obama. He’s the One, and if everything else hasn’t sunk him yet, the legislative work by his running mate won’t make a dent either.
Anna on August 25, 2008 at 3:44 PM
How is it that a useful invention like ShamWOW (I kid, I kid) has a maximum patent of 20 years from the earliest claimed filing date, but Indiana Jones & the Kingdom of the Crystal Turd won’t be public domain for probably 120 years (or more)?
I like the concept of protecting your ideas so you can make some money, but Walt is an ice cube, Edgar Rice is a husk, J. R. R. is R. I. P., and Isaac is out of the everywhere. And as far as music goes, isn’t 20 years enough for ‘Never Gonna Give You Up’ or ‘Sweet Child O’ Mine?’
TMK on August 25, 2008 at 3:57 PM
A youtube ad with Biden grabbing ipods and Obama getting kickbacks from record label executives could be lots of fun.
Some yutes view their right to download torrents of free music and video like NRA members view the right to bear arms.
Right_of_Attila on August 25, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Also, remember that Hillary Rosen, the former head of the RIAA who championed the crackdown on indie music, is a prominent member of the DNC. CNN uses her often as a political commentator.
Vic on August 25, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Ours got a line in the Bill of Rights. Where’s theirs?
I kid, I kid.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on August 25, 2008 at 4:27 PM
I wonder where they dump the never ending flow of crap pouring out of Joe Biden’s mouth all day long!? You’re not allowed to dump raw sewage into the river any longer I assume.
saus on August 25, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Grue in the Attic, I’ll bet you a hundred zorkmids that your DRM troubles would be a thing of the past if you changed to a non-Windows operating system. :-)
Mary in LA on August 25, 2008 at 4:54 PM
I wouldn’t doubt it. ;) [Plus Bonus Points]
Saving up for a new laptop as we speak too, might be the best time to try something new.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on August 25, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Adapt or die for the RIAA is correct.
Has anyone here heard the “popular” music of record industry of the past few years? It’s awful – which is why it’s not selling. Soulja Boy? That no talent hack.
Xolom on August 25, 2008 at 5:06 PM
I’m 30 and I consider myself hip and with the times. I was leaning toward Barrack, but since he’s chosen an old white guy with a history of hair loss and a habit to shoot his mouth of from the hip, I’m going to go with McCain.
Hmmm…..wait….oh yeah
Crap.
CFL on August 25, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Correction:
Barack
off
There we go.
CFL on August 25, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Thank goodness he is not influencing the youth….imagine if they followed his personal finance plan……
Chris Mathews and Democrats are touting that Biden only has 150k in net worth….The gentleman has had complete health care coverage and making over twice the mean income for 30 years …..good gracious, do the youth really want him with anything to do with the economy….
Here are some numbers….if he saved 3% of his salary and invested it with just a 7% return….that would be 330K. Does he even own his house?
Lobster on August 25, 2008 at 6:52 PM
Good Lord I hate that song.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on August 25, 2008 at 6:53 PM
Ed, Congratulations on being headlined @ Instapundit!
maverick muse on August 25, 2008 at 7:14 PM
As holder of both patents and copyrights myself, I vehemently disagree!!!
Both patents and copyrights are contracts which trade “exclusivity” for “fair use”, on the theory that “fair use” benefits society. The RIAA is trying to eliminate the “fair use” and obtain “exclusivity” at the expense of us all (we pay taxes to support government enforcers). This position is completely irreconcilable with the original justification for issuing “patents” and/or “copyrights” in the first place, as it gives the RIAA a completely unwarranted no-cost “benefit”…and returns NOTHING to society in return.
landlines on August 25, 2008 at 7:31 PM
RIAA?
I hate those guys, they’re almost as bad as ASCAP.
(If ASCAP could charge you a fee everytime you THOUGHT of a song you heard, they’d do it in a second.)
and Biden’s in with them!?!?
Copyright law was created to protect a temporally limited monetary interest to aid in supporting artists. It was NOT designed to allow either:
1. Record execs to make money off the backs of small artists.
2. Artists to live off some early work and never produce anything new again.
I am a firm proponent of “nearly-unlimited Fair Use” within 5-10 years, and Public Domain within 50.
Jones Zemkophill on August 25, 2008 at 9:13 PM
The Dali-bama is not worried about any loss in the youth vote demographic. He has enthralled them all with his Jedi mind trick! He has had help from all of their public school teachers over the years. All of their multi-cultural, (Phony) diversity, and moral relativism has set the stage perfectly for the dark lord of hopey-changiness.
Opps, sorry, that last sentance containd some racist code words…
Next stop, under the bus…
RocketmanBob on August 25, 2008 at 10:22 PM