Maybe Biden was angry in the debate?

posted at 7:53 am on August 24, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Back in 1987, Joe Biden told a series of lies about his educational background.  When confronted with them, he excused himself by saying, “I exaggerate when I’m angry.”  Apparently the presidential debates last year also angered Biden, as he told a Tuzla Dash story last August that he later had to revise — although not nearly as dramatically as Hillary Clinton.  The Hill reported on it at the time:

Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) — whose garrulous ways have led to a number of verbal gaffes over the years — has revised a dramatic comment that he was “shot at” in the Green Zone during a trip to Iraq. …

“Let’s start telling the truth,” he said. “Number one, you take all the troops out — you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die, number one.”

When asked for a detailed account of the experience, Biden described three incidents on two separate Iraq trips in which he felt that he was shot at or might have been shot at. Only one of them took place inside the Green Zone, he said, and involved a “shot” landing outside the building where he and other senators were staying. He added that the vehicle he was traveling in the day before might also have been hit.

Even Biden admitted that he was near where a shot landed, and he was staying in the Green Zone during a shelling, but he himself wasn’t targeted in the Green Zone.  It’s not the kind of lie that Hillary told about Tuzla, which troops in Bosnia described as “Disneyland” for its quiet and peace.  Biden went into Iraq and the Green Zone seven times when the Green Zone was still generally under fire.  That takes courage and dedication, and his exaggeration unfortunately detracts from that.

Still, this episode demonstrated that Biden hasn’t gotten past his need to exaggerate for his own self-aggrandizement.  Humility runs in Joe Biden, because if it didn’t, he’d hunt it down and kill it.  Every personal anecdote and self-assigned expertise will have to get fact-checked because Biden appears incapable of refraining from blowing things out of proportion.

Perhaps the most important part of this story isn’t Biden’s exaggerations, but the fact that he traveled to Iraq six more times than the man at the top of the ticket when the situation remained dangerous.  Barack Obama, who had prepared to run for President almost since the time he arrived in Washington in 2005, only made it to Iraq once during that same period until John McCain shamed him into a second visit this summer.  Even with the exaggerations, maybe the Democrats have the ticket reversed.


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Have you seen the video from the CNN debate with Anderson Cooper where a Hunter asked if his “baby” would be safe with a Democrat in the office and then showed his “baby” was an rifle?

Biden’s response? “If that’s his baby he has real problems”

EJDolbow on August 24, 2008 at 7:59 AM

This is like deja vu all over again. -Yogi Berra

SilverStar830 on August 24, 2008 at 7:59 AM

This is going to be so much fun.

P.S. Redstate Update‘s response to Biden being the VP nom. Good stuff. (language, some of it Biden’s)

MirCat on August 24, 2008 at 8:22 AM

Even with the exaggerations, maybe the Democrats have the ticket reversed.

Got that right. I’m no Biden fan, but even with all his warts and flaws, Biden is eminently more qualified than the Empty Suit.

petefrt on August 24, 2008 at 8:23 AM

Gotta be willing to give credit where credit is due with some of these guys. Biden supported the war (even if now he’s tacking with the rest of his chums) and has been there to personally track its progress. That’s good. Give ‘em a cookie when they’re right.

But stuff like this is seriously ridiculous. Some people are worried about the safety of that new Large Hadron Collider in Europe – I say the planet needs to be a little more concerned with the safety of the Large Ego Collider we saw yesterday in Springfield.

Red Cloud on August 24, 2008 at 8:38 AM

Humility runs in Joe Biden, because if it didn’t, he’d hunt it down and kill it.

ROTFLMFAO! Damn, Ed, that’s the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time.

The Obamacan I work with is not going to enjoy being around me on Monday, that’s for sure.

Kafir on August 24, 2008 at 8:38 AM

Humility runs in Joe Biden, because if it didn’t, he’d hunt it down and kill it.

*schwing*

It is pretty hard not to be impressed that Joe managed to craft the US System of government in 6 days.(the seventh day he rested and invented football)

sven10077 on August 24, 2008 at 8:40 AM

Barry must have been quite desperate, or Joe was the best of the Democrat bunch.

That’s gotta hurt.

benrand on August 24, 2008 at 8:46 AM

“Deja moo” – the sense we’ve heard this bull before.

NeighborhoodCatLady on August 24, 2008 at 9:12 AM

Perhaps the most important part of this story isn’t Biden’s exaggerations, but the fact that he traveled to Iraq six more times than the man at the top of the ticket when the situation remained dangerous. Barack Obama, who had prepared to run for President almost since the time he arrived in Washington in 2005, only made it to Iraq once during that same period until John McCain shamed him into a second visit this summer.

That’s my take on it.

To me it seems more and more obvious that what Obama really is is a Dapper Dan Man.

No wonder he and George Clooney are so close, given how much Barry has in common with Clooney’s most memorable character. Just like Ulysses Everett McGill, Barry feels that it’s enough to be endowed with the gift of gab.

All he needs someone to do is print him up a license–or write him up a speech–and there’s no need to waste his time with all that pesky studying and preparation.

Typhoon on August 24, 2008 at 9:24 AM

Doesn’t anyone find it a little suspicious that the day Larry Sinclair did his Press Conference, June 18th, 2008 regarding Larry and Obama having sex, doing drugs, and the murder of Donald Young, that an old case from years ago in Deleware was reopened, and Larry was arrested directly after the conference? The media was unable to interview Larry due to the arrest. This was the day that Obama’s presidentail career could have ended but suddenly Larry was arrested and Joe Biden’s son just happened to be the judge that approved the order.

From that day forward, all of Larry Sinclair’s supporter’s knew that Joe Biden would be Obama’s running mate. Wake up America, it’s true. Don’t believe a word that I am saying, just look into it yourself.

L. Ing.

ambuldog on August 24, 2008 at 9:29 AM

Humility runs in Joe Biden, because if it didn’t, he’d hunt it down and kill it.

Dude. No fair burying that in the middle of a serious paragraph. That belongs at the END of the post, all alone. Funny as heck. LOL

inviolet on August 24, 2008 at 9:43 AM

I find the numerous plagiarisms and lies during his college days and on the campaign trail, and the ludicrous explanations he proffered, far more troubling than his saying he was shot at (which are not entirely untrue, just gross exaggerations).

The question is why he felt the need to bring himself into the Iraq debate at all. He was doing fine by noting that one can’t just end a deployment in 6 months and by citing the difficulties involved in a military withdrawal, but then his great big ego stepped in and it became all about Joe.

Yech.

Buy Danish on August 24, 2008 at 9:47 AM

The man is full of himself. Always has been. Not unusual for a politician.

Terrye on August 24, 2008 at 9:49 AM

For some reason, and I can’t quite put my finger on it, I like Joe Biden. I don’t know if it’s his spurts of candor, or if it’s his hair transplant. All I know is I kinda feel sorry for him the way he’s being dismantled on the internet.

coffee260 on August 24, 2008 at 9:54 AM

I kinda feel sorry for him the way he’s being dismantled on the internet.

coffee260 on August 24, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Dismantled? Here, maybe, but the usual suspects in the MSM have already lined up to hail him, and praise Osama Obama’swisdom in picking him.

Check out the WaPoo and Huffpoo, Drudge, NY Times, et al. The prevailing mood seems to be “hey, so he jammed his foot in mouth a time or two, he’s still a great, wise guy.”

Both of Chris Matthews’ legs are tingling now!

MrScribbler on August 24, 2008 at 10:02 AM

The first thing Obama will supply his new VP with is a teleprompter with strict instructions not to deviate from the script. The problem is even when Biden produces his gaffes, the media will give him a pass because “that’s what Joe does”.

Barry may very well be advised to keep Biden on a tight leash when the media is within earshot, but Biden just can’t help himself. Expect “say it ain’t so” Joe to implode early and often.

Rovin on August 24, 2008 at 10:11 AM

All one needs to know about Joe Biden:

In June 2006, straight-talking Joe Biden went on Meet the Press and demanded accountability from the administration for the so-called Haditha massacre. Biden spoke about the incident as if the accused marines were guilty (before a trial) and called on the administration to proceed — and to be treated — as if there were a cover-up at the highest levels of government.

Well, it turned out Biden was wrong about Haditha. Eight of the Marines charged for the “massacre” and “coverup” have already been exonerated. (One case is still pending.)

RUSSERT: Let me ask you a last question on Iraq about Haditha and some of the other alleged atrocities. The fact is, our government knew about that for some time. How high up the chain, based on your information, do you think this goes?

SEN. BIDEN: The secretary of defense.

MR. RUSSERT: And what should be done?

SEN. BIDEN: He should be gone. He shouldn’t be in his office tomorrow morning. But I’m so tired of saying this on your show. I’ve been saying this for two years.

MR. RUSSERT: Well, the president knew about it in March.

SEN. BIDEN: Well, we can’t get rid of the president. He’s there for two and a half more years. There is a system of accountability. The system of accountability is, it used to be a gentlemanly thing, as they say, when you make serious mistakes, you step forward and you acknowledge them and you walk away. Presidents can’t and shouldn’t do that. Secretaries of defense can and should.

Maybe Biden was right about Rumsfeld. I’m not on the Foreign Relations Committee nor do I profess any special knowledge about the tactics of war or strategic blunders of rebuilding a nation. I leave Biden to pretend to know about those areas. But shouldn’t a veteran senator, supposedly renowned for his gravitas and understanding of the world stage, at the very least, caution us to wait for an investigation and trial of the Haditha Marines before jumping to a politically expedient conclusion?

So will Biden take his own advice and apologize to those eight marines?

Biden is in the same sewer with Murtha, who has yet to offer up an apology to our treasured soldiers also. Scumbags, both of them.

Keemo on August 24, 2008 at 10:18 AM

[inviolet on August 24, 2008 at 9:43 AM]

Agreed. That alone ought to get Ed into Bartlett’s.

Dusty on August 24, 2008 at 10:21 AM

Keemo on August 24, 2008 at 10:18 AM

+1————–Well said my friend!

Rovin on August 24, 2008 at 10:38 AM

We ought to start a pool as to when Biden utters his first dumb remark.

drjohn on August 24, 2008 at 10:41 AM

Keemo on August 24, 2008 at 10:18 AM

Good one. This would make a good issue for those who have an understanding of events, but it might be over the heads of most.

drjohn on August 24, 2008 at 10:43 AM

We ought to start a pool as to when Biden utters his first dumb remark.

drjohn on August 24, 2008 at 10:41 AM

Actually it didn’t take him long.
from Biden’s acceptance speech
Is that a record or WHUT? :)

inviolet on August 24, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Keemo:

Well said. Do you (or anyone else) think anyone in the MSM will have the cajones to ask him about it?

Tom Blogical on August 24, 2008 at 10:56 AM

drjohn on August 24, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Rovin on August 24, 2008 at 10:38 AM

Thanks my friends… It’s hard for me to comprehend the hatred & disdain Liberals have for our treasured soldiers. The pathetic truth; Liberals would most likely punish Biden & Murtha if they dared to apologize for their inexcusable behavior.

Here we are, a country at war; a country that was attacked on our homeland, and we face the possibility of having all three houses controlled by a party that hates our military and wants to dismantle it. Hard to believe the American people could entertain such a thought, let alone act on it. We are at the crossroads, this election cycle will determine the direction Americans want this country to go in. Shelf the “super power” status, and take our chances in a world that includes WMD, or strengthen our military and continue to hunt down evil and kill it under a McCain administration.

Interesting (historical) times ahead…

Keemo on August 24, 2008 at 11:10 AM

Tom Blogical on August 24, 2008 at 10:56 AM

Absolutely not Tom… The MSM doesn’t even hide the fact that they are 100% in bed with the DNC; in fact, the MSM just might be the puppet master. This is why it’s so important to look at who owns the MSM in America. Most certainly GE is a major player, and must be watched closely.

http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=2127045

Americans need to study up and get involved. My wife and I swore off all GE product several years ago. This company is simply too powerful & influential to ignore. The behavior of this company tells the story; look at MSNBC & Keith Olbermann at recent examples of where GE wants to take our country.

Keemo on August 24, 2008 at 11:30 AM

For those doubters of the fact that Democrats hate our military… This link is for you…

http://www.examiner.com/x-701-National-Defense-Examiner~y2008m8d24-Pelosi-Orders-Removal-of-Congressmans-Tribute-to-Fallen-Marines

Keemo on August 24, 2008 at 11:36 AM

P.S. Redstate Update’s response to Biden being the VP nom. Good stuff. (language, some of it Biden’s)

MirCat on August 24, 2008 at 8:22 AM

That was fun, thanks.

HawaiiLwyr on August 24, 2008 at 12:52 PM

If you are getting shot at you would know it.

Biden is a liar.

I got shot at in East Chicago, IN outside of the “shrimp house” one night with a .38 I know it for a fact because, I looked outside the window saw the guy pull the gun and get ready to shoot as we sped away, the bullet hit our car tire and blew it out we only got about 6 or 7 blocks but it was enough to get us away from that “gang”

you distinctly remember getting “shot at” believe me.

Chakra Hammer on August 24, 2008 at 1:11 PM

http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/son-of-joe-biden-tries-to-threaten-larry-sinclair-2-days-before-his-father-is-chosen-as-vp/

Does this have any significant value ? Anyone going to bring it up ?

ambuldog on August 24, 2008 at 1:48 PM