You are far more idealistic/ optimistic than me. While I am not convinced that Obama is the Antichrist, I am 100% sure that it will be a disaster if he wins. He cannot make a decision to save his life or support a position on anything longer than a week (and only that long if it polls well). Aside from that, what ideas he has are really bad.

Obama is far enough off the deep end on his own. Obama as President, along with what looks to be a greater Democratic majority in Congress, means that Pelosi and Reid can rave unchecked.

“Yep, and that is exactly what worries me. People are going to step back and not stop all the bad policies that a McCain Administration is going to work with the Democrat Congress to push through. McCain voters are going to think that their job is done after keeping Obama out of the White House.” Michael in MI on August 24, 2008 at 11:08 PM

Michael, First and foremost, I would not condemn your genuine concerns for certain policies a McCain administration would pursue. Secondly, my definition of “step back” is hardly what your characterization of the phrase implys. I only meant that I would step back knowing that an Obama administration that would most likely give us eight years of the very liberal policies and Supreme Court appointments we all fear DID NOT come to fruition.

Realizing that most likely the House and Senate will not change partys in this cycle, a Democratic, (and extreme liberal) President would have far too much control to advance a liberal agenda, (and SC appts.) that could effect generations that would have to swallow a government sanctioned socialist ideology for decades.

This should make you WORRY far more than a McCain administration that could at least put most of these liberal policies in check with the veto pen, and hopefully enough Republicans to prevent over-rides.

You obviously don’t trust that McCain “got the message” on immigration reform and this nations outright proclamation that insisted on securing the border first. McCain saw the price of gas and the pain it’s causing and changed his stance on off-shore drilling. I submit that McCain will listen to us, (you, me, and the conservative party) because our voices will be heard loud and clear. With the ALTERNATIVE CHOICE, (AN OBAMA ADMINISTRATION), our voices will certainly fall on deaf ears. In this case, it’s time to STEP UP.

I have said it before, sit home and show us all what is what. Do not vote for McCain, let Obama win. After all we will all survive, you betcha.

But how about you and Michael here do the rest of the same courtesy? How about letting us vote for and even support the GOP candidate who is far more conservative than the Democratic candidate?

Because in essence what you and your buddies highhopes and Michael want to see is an Obama victory. You hate McCain and you want to see him defeated because he does not share your views on immigration among other things. You will however, allow someone far more liberal on that issue to win not only without a fight..but with enthusiasm I do believe.

Maybe conservatives really should start their own party. No moderates, no centrists, no 80% conservatives allowed.

But if you did, you would never win a national election. Reagan won because all sorts of people voted for him, including Democrats. If he had only appealed to conservatives, he would never have won in the first damn place. And if he could not deal with Democrats and compromise, he would never have governed.

But none of this matters to you, you will just smirk and put some quote up here and act morally superior. The lone conservative, standing on principle.

Fine, have it your way.

McCain is pro life, he is a fiscal conservative, he is strong on national security, he is not the enemy.

And if these same people do not care what happens to the country if Obama and Biden and Pelosi and Reid end up running the government..then they are not the conservatives they claim to be.

MB4, I am not a sore loser. I would have voted for the nominee the party chose {thank God it was not Ron Paul}, but if the Democrats win, I will not claim I was robbed or anything of the kind.

I will just assume that he got more votes, probably because the cry baby sore loser unreliable my way or the highway element on the far right fringes decided to punish the GOP for failing to kiss their behinds.

It will 92 all over again. And just like the angry conservative helped usher in the Clinton era, they will also help usher in the era of the most liberal Democratic leadership in memory.

Anyway, McCain was not my 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd choice in the primaries, but I won’t go through another eight years of liberal policy (heck, I’m realizing that Clinton looks sane next to O). The Republican party survived the not-so-conservative Nixon and came back with the President of the ages, Reagan. I’m sure the party can survive McCain.

-Aslan’s Girl

austinnelly on August 24, 2008 at 11:09 PM

Before I go, had to commend this. Thank you for some sanity here.

Michael in MI on August 24, 2008 at 11:18 PM

You guys hit the McCainiacs high
I’ll hit them low
They will again MDS cry
But we know that’s just an empty show

Into a corner they do themselves paint
With laments of how disaster will come
While none of us is a saint
We will not settle for a bum

On election night we will be alright
Knowing we did not to a vain man bow
But they may be in for a real fright
And have a cow

It will be like two men in cement galoshes being chased by a bear. No matter how slow either of them goes, one of them will be able to outrun the bear, so to speak.

MB4 on August 24, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Truly, that is as quotable as the quotes you quote. Kudos.

…our entire government is full of people that are only there to fill their pockets and get laid. Normally, I’d say that’s a noble ambition, but it would be nice if they would at least try to look like they’re doing their job every now and then.

austinnelly on August 24, 2008 at 11:12 PM

I think any man in business would be foolish to fool around with his secretary. If it’s somebody else’s secretary, fine.
- Barry Goldwater

The more the Democrat Party goes bad, the more the Republican Party just has to do enough to be better than the Democrat Party… which is to say, they don’t have to do much.

Michael in MI on August 24, 2008 at 11:08 PM

It will be like two men in cement galoshes being chased by a bear. No matter how slow either of them goes, one of them will be able to outrun the bear, so to speak.

…we may have a rough couple of years, but I think the country will still be standing.

austinnelly on August 24, 2008 at 11:09 PM

Before I go, had to commend this. Thank you for some sanity here.

That may be because MinM is not wearing McRose colored McGlasses and doesn’t look for the ObamaMonster under his bed every night before he goes to bed.

MB4 on August 24, 2008 at 10:57 PM

…our entire government is full of people that are only there to fill their pockets and get laid. Normally, I’d say that’s a noble ambition, but it would be nice if they would at least try to look like they’re doing their job every now and then.

austinnelly on August 24, 2008 at 11:12 PM

Heheh, both of these actually made me laugh out loud. On that good note, I am off for the night. Pleasant evening everyone.

That is exactly what I believe. I also believe that the GOP will be powerless against a supermajority Democrat Senate and House. And they will also not want to go against their President [at least not for some time and then only in fits and starts]. They will be much more inclined to fight tooth and nail against a Democrat President.

None of us should be relishing more than half our current government being a bunch of idiots.

Michael in MI on August 24, 2008 at 11:08 PM

I think it’s more like 90%. After the ‘doping’ hearings, I came to the sad realization that our entire government is full of people that are only there to fill their pockets and get laid. Normally, I’d say that’s a noble ambition, but it would be nice if they would at least try to look like they’re doing their job every now and then.

I dunno. We have had Bush out to lunch on Putin and doing nothing but blow smoke about little Mahmoud. How is that working out?

MB4 on August 24, 2008 at 10:54 PM

Funny. I was thinking the same thing the other day when someone was talking about how much better McCain’s foreign policy will be than Obama’s. If McCain’s is going to be anything like Bush’s regarding Iran and Russia, I’d say we’re f**ked either way.
Ever since the MSM turned Iraq into an ‘illegal war’, it seems our entire government is on eggshells everytime anything remotely provocative happens with another country. Bush has been fooling around with European diplomacy while Iran helps kill our soldiers in Iraq and keeps working on nukes. I’m not optimistic that either party is going to do anything productive on this subject.
As to all this world ending with the election of Obama, I think it’s getting a bit ridiculous. Clinton did his hard left thing for his first 2 years in office, and basically handed us a majority in the house for the first time in 40 years. Obama isn’t nearly as canny a politician as Clinton; we may have a rough couple of years, but I think the country will still be standing.

After McCain becomes my President, I’ll “step back”.

Rovin on August 24, 2008 at 10:54 PM

Yep, and that is exactly what worries me. People are going to step back and not stop all the bad policies that a McCain Administration is going to work with the Democrat Congress to push through. McCain voters are going to think that their job is done after keeping Obama out of the White House.

Do you believe that if Obama is elected the Right will protest and fight”stand up to” policies that we do not believe in but if Sen. McCain is elected we will be good little sheeple and go along because he is a Republican? Truly looking for clarification here.

That is exactly what I believe. I also believe that the GOP will be powerless against a supermajority Democrat Senate and House. And they will also not want to go against their President. They will be much more inclined to fight tooth and nail against a Democrat President.

Oh and I also disagree with you that people here (on the right) are making fun of people on the left for falling in behind Obama while we are doing the same with McCain. I think everybody here is hoping to have a rip roaring time watching the left do exactly the opposite.

Cindy Munford on August 24, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Yeah, and my point about that was… so what? This is August. Doesn’t matter what chaos happens now. Only matters that they all get in line in November and vote Obama. And they will. As I said, most women – in my experience – are fickle. One day they are telling you how much they hate their boyfriend/husband and what a bastard he is and the next day they are back to good and he is the most wonderful man in the world. The PUMAs will complain and get it all out of their system and then come November, Obama will be their man again.

Also, I find it pretty sad that people are taking joy in the fact that an entire political party is a joke. We should all be hoping to strengthen the Democrat Party and have (at least) two strong opposition parties working in the best interest of this nation. The more the Democrat Party goes bad, the more the Republican Party just has to do enough to be better than the Democrat Party… which is to say, they don’t have to do much.

So relish the Democrat Party being a bunch of idiots if you want, but the fact is that they are part of a government which represents our nation. When they look bad, we all look bad. Just as President Bush is everyone’s President, whether you voted for him or not, this Congress and the Democrat and Republican Parties are everyone’s Congress and political Parties. None of us should be relishing more than half our current government being a bunch of idiots.

After McCain becomes my President, I’ll “step back”.

Rovin on August 24, 2008 at 10:54 PM

If McCain becomes your elPresidente, be prepared to “paso atras”.

Shoot, I promised myself I wouldn’t reply to you. At least this time I want to make sure I understand you. Do you believe that if Sen. Obama is elected the Right will protest and fight”stand up to” policies that we do not believe in but if Sen. McCain is elected we will be good little sheeple and go along because he is a Republican? Truly looking for clarification here. Oh and I also disagree with you that people here (on the right) are making fun of people on the left for falling in behind Obama while we are doing the same with McCain. I think everybody here is hoping to have a rip roaring time watching the left do exactly the opposite.

If you think they are remotely comparable then you are seeing something I don’t.

TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2008 at 10:51 PM

lol.

That may be because MinM is not wearing McRose colored McGlasses and doesn’t look for the ObamaMonster under his bed every night before he goes to bed.