Heart-ache: Hillary to release delegates on Wednesday? Update: 42% of pledged Hillary delegates say they’ll vote for her
posted at 8:00 pm on August 24, 2008 by Allahpundit
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My heart leaped this morning when the Observer reported that she hadn’t yet asked the New York delegation to vote for Obama, but it turns out she’s saving that for some sort of political Masada in which her doomed band of scrappy holdouts will finally resign itself to its fate. I’ll be there in spirit.
Clinton has invited her pledged delegates to a reception at the Colorado Convention Center, not far from the main Democratic National Convention arena…
A Democratic official told The Associated Press Sunday, a day before the convention begins, that she is expected to release her delegates at the Wednesday event. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss details publicly…
Some Clinton delegates still plan to vote for her at the convention, even if she releases them.
“This is much bigger than Hillary,” said Pam Durham, a Clinton delegate from Fort Worth, Texas. “I have a responsibility. I do not own my vote. I have to represent the voters who sent me.”
Heart-ache to be sure, but only minor heart-ache: What else could she do, realistically? No matter how she plays it, some of her delegates will defect to support the presumptive nominee, leaving her potentially in the predicament of not only having pissed Obama off by not releasing them but humiliated by her wide margin of defeat in a quasi-contested roll call vote. Better to be the magnanimous loser, cast them off, then be pleasantly surprised by the number who choose to vote for her anyway. And of course, there’s always VP…
The pressure on her to tear McCain a new Maverick hole on Tuesday as payback for this morning’s ad will be enormous, so I dearly hope the RNC has something set to go in response. There’s no shortage of money Hillary clips from the primaries — “shame on you, Barack Obama,” the immortal “celestial choirs” goof, and of course her acidic comparison back in March between McCain’s “lifetime of experience” and The One’s blank-page resume — and McCain’s got airtime available to put them to use. If they’re looking for a killer quote to nail it down, no worries — it’s Ed Rendell to the rescue!
Update: Hot off the presses from the NYT and CBS, 42 percent of her delegates (20 percent of all delegates) say they’re ready to go PUMA. Will releasing them change that?
An 80/20 split on the roll after kissing her delegates off will make for a nice little media meme about disgruntled Democrat swing voters in November. How many of them are there, potentially? Not as many as you think — but enough.
Belated exit question: If Hillary comes out on Tuesday night and delivers a stemwinder on Obama’s behalf, as she almost surely will, how sickeningly purple will the nutroots prose saluting her be? Scale of one to 10. After months of sputtering about her gobsmacking vileness, I expect Sullivan to be at his fulsomely obsequious best.
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“Barack Obama is our nominee, and I support him.”
That’s all she will say…that’s all she has to say. Then she’ll do the usual democrat talking points of making America great again. What will be interesting is to see how hard she hits McCain. I expect to hear Bush’s name more than McCain’s for sure.
SouthernGent on August 24, 2008 at 8:05 PM
Tornado touches down in Denver. Gaia’s wrath? Didn’t the Dems buy their carbon set-offs from Algore’s company?
Wethal on August 24, 2008 at 8:07 PM
The RNC should have like 10 ads with nothing but Democrats nailing Obama.
I’m really getting worried that we’re totally going to get steamrolled this election. The republicans need to pretend they’ve already lost and change accordingly before the election. McCain needs to start making this election about him…
ninjapirate on August 24, 2008 at 8:09 PM
I’ll believe it when I see it. If she swallows all the disrespect he has shown her, then she isn’t the fighter I came to believe she was.
TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2008 at 8:10 PM
$10.00 went into your retirement kitty, for the smiles.
Entelechy on August 24, 2008 at 8:11 PM
I’d expect a generic paean to the Democratic party and why they need to win to end the Bush policies.
Wethal on August 24, 2008 at 8:11 PM
On the delegates, she’ll release the leashes but no telling in which direction the puppies will run. It’s going to be an interesting summer.
Entelechy on August 24, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Then just shut up!!!!
DAT60A3 on August 24, 2008 at 8:12 PM
If this election becomes about McCain he lose.
This election is a referendum on Obama. All McCain needs to do is point out deficiencies and look like a viable alternative.
TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2008 at 8:12 PM
What’s crazy about them? If I was a donk delegate, I would vote for Clinton, too.
Blake on August 24, 2008 at 8:13 PM
It will probably be the same as how ’sickeningly purple” people were praising how wonderful is McCain after his rhetoric at the Saddleback interview (after 7 years of bitching about his maverickness, 1 hour with Rick Warren turned him into the GOP messiah!).’
I’m not sure why pundits keep making fun of the Left getting in line and supporting their candidates, when the Right is doing the exact same thing with McCain.
Yep. After months of sputtering about McCain’s gobsmacking vileness, the GOP-voters have now nominated him for President and are telling everyone to get in line and vote for him. Try to be an adult and live in the real world here, “AllahPundit”. That’s what everyone keeps telling me. It’s called “pragmatism”, I am told.
Michael in MI on August 24, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Depends on whether she don’t feel no ways tired or not.
Slublog on August 24, 2008 at 8:15 PM
I think CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider looks like a Muppet.
http://www.aelfhame.net/~ladyq/graphics/icons/muppet_bunsen.gif
jgapinoy on August 24, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Why keep calling the Hillary supporters names? They are looking at voting GOP this year in large part because the Obama supporters are so nasty to them.
It’s also quite juvenile.
funky chicken on August 24, 2008 at 8:18 PM
If you laugh out loud at that line, as I did, you know you’re a political junkie.
Good one.
billy on August 24, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Wow. You’re like the anti-wise_man!
Allahpundit on August 24, 2008 at 8:25 PM
She can reiterate her support for Obama/Biden about 4 times in the speech and do the normal Dem talking points. She has to show she is a good trooper, doing her part to get O and Joe elected. As they look more and more as if they are tanking, watch her get more and more supportive. That way, when we say President McCain in Nov, she can start her run for 2012. The people (not the internal Dem leadership) will have seen her being a good soldier after she lost, so she will be in a good position with the rank and file Dems.
talking_mouse on August 24, 2008 at 8:25 PM
That’s the name of her PAC. It is not mockery they speak of themselves thus.
I’ll believe the vampiress is dead politically on the first sunrise she faces out of the coffin.
sven10077 on August 24, 2008 at 8:27 PM
LOL!!!!!!!!!
The Ugly American on August 24, 2008 at 8:28 PM
I’ve never seen those two words together before. Good job! ;)
AnthonyK on August 24, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Best line of the weekend!
SouthernGent on August 24, 2008 at 8:35 PM
A good deal of this thread is a wise_man versus Michael in Michigan duel, which is still not concluded.
Entelechy on August 24, 2008 at 8:38 PM
And you thought she was out of the race, didn’t you AP?
Go ahead, adtmit it, you really, really miss her dontcha!
Kini on August 24, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Now that’s going “too faaaawrrr”
Weight of Glory on August 24, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Has Obama ever officially come out and asked all these Hillary supporters for their vote?
Because from what I’ve been hearing, this appears to be their biggest gripe.
If he could just drop the maniacal ego long enough to at least acknowledge their existence, it would probably help to mend the fence.
The Ugly American on August 24, 2008 at 8:41 PM
There’s going to be a Mutiny of biblical
porportions at UNITY/DISUNITY/08 in Denver!
canopfor on August 24, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Perhaps she might feel a bit tired when she has to swallow her own pill that she rammed down her own party’s throat back in 2004:
You don’t have to fall in love.
You just have to fall in line…
Them’s Democrat sweet nothings just a keep on comin’…
Wanderlust on August 24, 2008 at 8:44 PM
If she does release them, then this will be the most awesomely awkward convention ever, with Bill, Hill, and Chelsea speaking. But don’t worry, an anonymous high ranking democrat official, told me that the anonymous high ranking democrat official, who spoke with the AP, was full of it. She’s digging in.
Weight of Glory on August 24, 2008 at 8:46 PM
The Ugly American on August 24, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Shhhhhh – if you are Karl Rove, your party is still the McCain side. Now, Bill Kristol, that’s another story – he can, and does give advice to both sides, freely.
Schadenfreude on August 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM
I would really love to see this whole Democratic Convention thing turn into one massive fist fight! So much for party unity!
pilamaye on August 24, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Allahpundit on August 24, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Please, don’t go there. And did you know that Florida and Michigan, as if by magic, now have all of their delegates?
Cindy Munford on August 24, 2008 at 8:48 PM
They said Hillary would bring out GOP supporters, and they were right!
pedestrian on August 24, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Depends on whether she don’t feel no ways tired or not.
Slublog on Aug 24,2008 at 8:15PM.
Now that’s going to “faaaarrr”
Weight of Glory on Aug 24,2008 at 8:39PM.
Sumpin ain’t right with dat phrases, haha:)
canopfor on August 24, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Is it safe to look? I can’t stand the sight of blood. I hope that wise_man is still breathing anyway.
Murphy9 on August 24, 2008 at 8:56 PM
I know one thing: I will not be watching. No way. If you wanted to torture me, just force me to watch the Democratic Convention. I swear I would tell you anything you wanted to know.
I bet Hillary goes up there and smiles benignly and falls on her sword. But a lot of her supporters will not vote for Obama, no matter what she says.
Terrye on August 24, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Re-Create 68, FReeper on the ground in Denver report, videos and photos……
Ward Churchill in da house! Woot! Woot!
TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2008 at 9:02 PM
I am with wise_man on this. I don’t expect everyone to love McCain or anything, but sheesh, he won fair and square and he is running against a totally unqualified nominee. And the fact that he has served his country both in war and peace time should earn McCain some respect. That does not mean you have to vote for him, but some of this MDS stuff is just way over the top.
Terrye on August 24, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Well assist him then. He needs help to even the odds.
Murphy9 on August 24, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Aww come on! Grab some popcorn and enjoy the democrat method of waterboarding and waterbufflowing the American people.
Enjoy the senseless shouting matches, the badly dressed hippies, the bloated Michael Moore’s and especially the misery index of the Carters. I’m telling ya, this democrat convention is like family values and viewing splendor that is a must see for all!
Kini on August 24, 2008 at 9:06 PM
I don’t think many who dislike McCain have an issue with his wartime service. It’s his peacetime service that leads to his unpopularity among conservatives. I’ll vote for the guy, but I’m not going to pretend to like him.
Slublog on August 24, 2008 at 9:07 PM
This will be a bad week,with your MSM playing Leni Riefenstahl on steroids.It has always been this way.
BO will get his big bounce because the media will skew a poll if need be. No Democrat convention was ever portrayed as anything but a brilliant moment in history.
Then the GOP will do their RINO thing and the battle will then begin, with our party trailing- like it always has been.
jjshaka on August 24, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Seeing a nomination and a second, and hearing no objections (worth mentioning, that is), I hereby declare that Comment of the Weekend™.
steveegg on August 24, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Michael:
You are a sore loser. If McCain is so bad, so lame, why couldn’t his detractors come up with a viable alternative who people could and would support.
I respect John McCain’s tenacity and courage. I don’t always agree with him, but then again I don’t always agree with any nominee. It is not realistic to expect it to be any other way.
I don’t care who you vote for. Stay home and pout, hope that the Republicans get beat so that you can gloat, whatever, but that does not mean everyone else has to do the same damn thing.
And the truth is if certain people on the right keep threatening to walk out that door and never show their faces again every other week the party might begin to think they are unreliabe. They might even begin to think that it would be better to try and attract another kind of voter.
Terrye on August 24, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Second!
Kini on August 24, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Agreed. McCain may be a b*stard, but he’s OUR b*stard. Better to nudge him into choosing conservative judges and focus on the local races to keep killing Shamnesty.
Obama is so far Left that he makes McCain look positively Reaganesque by comparison, especially on foreign policy issues. And don’t forget, Tsar Vlad I’s power will deflate only if we choke his hard cash lifeline by DRILLING NOW!!!
Tearing McCain up will only serve to bring about Jimmy Carter II, with the stakes being much higher this time than back in 1976. So I say, get in line with McCain, and take out your grublings against his Shamnesty leanings by working locally.
/rant OFF
Wanderlust on August 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Slublog:
The personal attacks on John McCain and his character make it obvious that they might not have a problem with his military service, but they do not give a rat’s ass about it either.
The fact that he did not say how high when these guys said jump is all they know and care about. Unless he does their bidding, he is not fit for the office.
Terrye on August 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM
In other words, 42 percent plan to give a protest vote in August and then all of them will get in line and vote for Obama come November. So this protest vote doesn’t really mean much, except to get out some frustration and show loyalty to Hillary, meanwhile Obama comfortably wins the nomination. But, Hillary will appease their frustrations and then come November, they’ll all get over it and get in line and vote the Party line.
As I said on another thread the other day, most women – in my experience – are very fickle. They will complain to you endlessly one day about how much of a bastard is their boyfriend/husband, and then the next day go back to him and tell you how wonderful is he and how they are over everything which he did to piss them off. The same thing will happen here. They’ll complain about it for a week or so, Hillary will talk to them and alleve their frustrations and then come November they’ll reliably vote Democrat. Just like last year when Michelle Malkin/HotAir and its commenters (rightly) railed against McCain, but now have gotten in line and plan to vote for McCain. I don’t see why it is just fine when the Right does it, but worthy of scorn when the Left does it.
‘MDS’. Interesting how pointing out the many major faults of McCain is now considered ‘MDS’. And people wonder why I am the way I am now. When I see the right using the same tactics of the left (Anybody But Obama; don’t have to fall in love, just have to fall in line; if you criticize the candidate you have MDS, etc), that pretty much drives me away from the Party and its supporters.
Michael in MI on August 24, 2008 at 9:16 PM
While McCain’s military service may show considerable personal character, it says little about how he’d serve as president. In my opinion, a politician’s political history is far more relevant to what type of politician he or she will be in the future.
I respect McCain’s military service – I just don’t think it’s as relevant to how he’d serve as president as he sometimes makes it out to be.
Slublog on August 24, 2008 at 9:18 PM
It’s going to be a fun week…
tigerinexile on August 24, 2008 at 9:18 PM
You want to see Obama’s constituency? The people who will be driving this country under his, “leadership?” Then watch these and then tell me how much McCain sucks and how there isn’t really any difference between the two:
Re-Create 68 Denver March 8-24-08,#1
Re-Create 68 Denver March 8-24-08,#2
TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Edith! Where’s my popcorn and beer?…..Archie Bunker
Rovin on August 24, 2008 at 9:20 PM
I can understand why AP chose to blow you off rather than respond point-by-point to this Kindergarten stuff. But let’s walk through it, shall we?
Ooh, bad conflation there. The ones who nominated him were not the ones complaining about him. It’s complex, I know.
Yes, telling people to get in line and support the candidate, who, whatever his considerable flaws, is orders of magnitude better than his opponent, is perfectly normal. I don’t know what you think you’ve uncovered here.
Wow. Total non-sequiter and juvenile insult all in one. OK, let’s take it step by step:
1) (AP)”months of sputtering about McCain’s gobsmacking vileness”
This was a reference to Andrew Sullivan, an overwrought leftist commentator, and his netroots coreligionists. I assure you that this is not hyperbole, as your misuse of the quote was. Go read Sullivan sometime and you’ll see.
2) (AP)”I expect Sullivan to be at his fulsomely obsequious best.”
This is a prediction that Sullivan will produce emotionally overwrought praise of a woman he’s dissed for months. You are not seeing this for McCain on the GOP side. Pragmatism dictates getting calmly behind your candidate, even if you cannot muster enthusiasm for the task. That has nothing to do with Sullivan’s signature overwrought passion for wherever his whims guide him, whatever contradictions may be involved. We’re talking about a man who appears to believe that the Iraq war was wrong because of Bush’s views on gay marriage.
Splunge on August 24, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Actually I’m wondering if she will even mention his name, possibly refering to Him as “I fully support the Party’s nominee for President”.
GarandFan on August 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Example?
TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM
The New York Observer,
Jasin Horowitz.
New York Delegation Doesn’t Know What The Clintons Want
————————————————————-
The New York delegation to the Democratic Convention still
doesnt know whom it is supposed to vote for.
New York delegates are checking into the sheraton hotel in
downtown Denver and saying they have not RECIEVED ANY GUID-
ANCE on whether to cast a SYMBOLIC VOTE for Hillary Clinton
during a ROLL CALL or whether to vote Obama.
Congressman John Lewis comments,
“I’m sure HILLARY or SOMEBODY will say what to do before
wednesday night”,he said.
A rudderless,bitter ship,about to go into CHAOS!!!!
canopfor on August 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Michael:
Fine, sit home, don’t vote. Bitch. Whatever.
Terrye on August 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Oh, I don’t know…perhaps his many ads that mention nothing but that service?
Slublog on August 24, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Michael, some very nice things were said about you on that other thread, where you and the wise_man were going at each other…you should check it out, if you haven’t yet. It’s the one on the left side of HA, also about Hillary.
Michael in MI on August 24, 2008 at 9:16 PM
With this one, on the topic of women being “fickle” you might have salvaged yer friendship with AP. Precious.
Entelechy on August 24, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Everyone, including self, get back on topic – it is
Entelechy on August 24, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Oh, you. Always ending the fun before it gets really good…or bad. :-D
Slublog on August 24, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Which ones?
TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2008 at 9:26 PM
I mised her too! :)
Kini on August 24, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Slublog:
It took a lot of stamina and courage for John McCain to remain strong during his confinement. That requires character.
Once upon a time, character was considered important in a president.
Now it seems that the only thing that matters is whether or not he evidences a strict and almost fanatical devotion to a narrow set of policy initiatives. Any divergence or difference of opinion on those issues is seen as a weakness and a disgrace. That means strong people with their own opinions will cease to become presidents.
Terrye on August 24, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Exactly. I have read many accounts of John McCain the military man. And my respect for his service is immense. But my utter comtempt for his politics the last 7 years is just as immense. And last I checked, military service does not make one a good politician. Just reference Jim Webb, John Kerry, George W. Bush, John Murtha. All served honorably. All are less than very good politicians.
If people want to vote for him, by all means do. But those who cast out some conservatives and tell them that if they don’t vote for McCain, they are Obama/DNC operatives and childish and unrealistic, well, they are doing nothing to help their cause.
As an aside, an interesting exercise may be to go into the 2006-2007 archives of comments here at HotAir to get all the comments from people about John McCain back then and how horrible he was. The same way people are calling out Biden for his critique of Obama, I’m sure the Left could have a field day with the way most called out McCain in 2006-2007 and even early 2008.
Michael in MI on August 24, 2008 at 9:28 PM
A shadow convention!! This is getting really good.
Note to the Hillariacs: if they offer you Kool-Aid, refuse!
PattyJ on August 24, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Heh, well I didn’t say that to endear myself to anyone. Just my experience, as I said.
Michael in MI on August 24, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Despite that poll (mostly) coming before the announcement that Clinton’s name would be announced on the floor, I’ll say yes. Of cource, I’ll suspect that she’ll get 15% of the floor vote.
steveegg on August 24, 2008 at 9:31 PM
ROFLMAO!
Will you be playing that same tune if Obama wins?
Somehow I don’t believe that it takes any great leap to think not.
Terrye:
You are a sore loser. If a President Obama is so bad, so lame, why couldn’t his detractors come up with a viable alternative who people could and would support.
Terrye, you are a comic and you don’t even know it.
MB4 on August 24, 2008 at 9:31 PM
RE create 68′ Denver..
TheBigOldDog on Aug24,2008 at 9:20PM.
TheBigOldDog:The riot of 68′,I think between Hillarys
(brownshirts)and Obama’s(brownshirts)
patrolling the convention floor to keep
the UNITY,its going to turn out to be
“The night of the Knives”,followed by
“Night of Lights,or the “Cathedral of
Lights”,at the rate the Liberals are
going in thier political lovefest in
Denver!!
canopfor on August 24, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Oh, good grief.
This one. Some token words about his political service at the end do not a political ad make.
Also, this one.
Like I said, impressive service. But says little about the political nature of his service to this country, which I consider a greater determiner of how he’ll act as president.
Slublog on August 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Captain’s Quarter’s tranfers would take exception to this metaphor, but in this case I heartily agree. A total meltdown of the “united party” would be a mile high indeed.
Rovin on August 24, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Crying “MDS” is a retort of last resort by those who’s words are not to be taken to have any import.
MB4 on August 24, 2008 at 9:38 PM
I do not doubt McCain’s character. However, I do have reservations about his political judgment. Those doubts are not strong enough for me to vote against him, but they exist and prevent me from supporting him with any sort of enthusiasm.
I have to admit, though, I do find it somewhat ironic that the “do it for the good of the party” argument is being used so vehemently on behalf of a man who has gained his political reputation by doing just the opposite at times.
Slublog on August 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Wow. You completely missed the sarcasm in my comment, didn’t you? When I said this:
I was simply reiterating what McCain supporters have told me about getting in line and voting for McCain. I have to be an adult and deal with the real world and use “pragmatism”. It was not a slight at AllahPundit, I was simply pointing out that the Democrats are simply being adults, living in the real world and using pragmatism when they discard all their complaints about their candidate and turn around and get in line and fully support him.
My only wonder is why pundits (including AllahPundit) continue to rib the Left for exactly the same things the Right is doing with McCain. So the Left is now forgetting all their criticism of Obama and getting in line to support him. So what. So is the GOP with regards to McCain. As everyone keeps telling me, that is called being an adult and living in the real world and using pragmatism. Both the Left and the Right are doing it. I’m criticizing both sides for doing it, while the Right seems to only be criticizing the Left for it and not realizing that they are doing the same thing.
Michael in MI on August 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM
So two very long videos produced to be clearly biographical, amounts to making his military service the centerpiece of his campaign?
TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Heh. I believe it was actually HotAir’s own AllahPundit who pointed out some time ago that if Obama is such a bad candidate and so easy to defeat, why is McCain not wiping the floor with him?
Michael in MI on August 24, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Did I say the “centerpiece” of his campaign?
Slublog on August 24, 2008 at 9:41 PM
That deserves to be highlighted.
Michael in MI on August 24, 2008 at 9:45 PM
That’s what you intimated which is why I wanted to see some examples because I thought I must have missed something. I very rarely see him making a big deal of his service or using it a even a primary reason to vote for him.
TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2008 at 9:47 PM
For a second, I thought this thread was about Hillary and Obama.
For a second, I thought.
Kini on August 24, 2008 at 9:47 PM
test
Weight of Glory on August 24, 2008 at 9:47 PM
He is. It just takes time for the MSM to report it.
Let’s face it, the Dhimmicrats are ALWAYS a bazillion points ahead this time of year. McC and BHO are EVEN now which spells disaster for the Dems. Now we need to get the senate so that McC’s supreme court nominees can be seated.
Mojave Mark on August 24, 2008 at 9:48 PM
So AP, like you and me, must also have MDS I suppose.
MB4 on August 24, 2008 at 9:48 PM
You’re confusing, “for the good of the country” with, “for the good of the party.” I bet very few of us give a rats arse about the party. Some of us actually believe Obama is the most dangerous man every to be this close to the Presidency in their lifetime.
TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Captain Quarters tranfers…
Rovin on Aug 24,2008 at 9:35PM.
Rovin:Try this one to,the movie “Mister Roberts”!
Obama is Captian Morton,and Hillary when calling
for a roll call,throws Morton’s palm tree,(Obama
presidential aspirations)over the side!haha:)
canopfor on August 24, 2008 at 9:51 PM
If Obama wins I am buying stock in tranquilizers.
MB4 on August 24, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Your feeling about McCain are immaterial. It’s your feelings about an Obama presidency and what that would mean for the country is what’s important. If you don’t see much of a difference you haven’t been paying attention.
TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2008 at 9:52 PM
As do I, which is why I’m voting for McCain. Perhaps you missed that. I don’t like John McCain and I can summon no enthusiasm for his candidacy, but I do intend to vote for him to keep Obama out of the White House. It’s troubling, however, how quickly some jump all over any criticism of the man by Republicans as some sort of thoughtless heresy, or “MDS.”
Slublog on August 24, 2008 at 9:52 PM
The real MDS is McCain Default Syndrome. The “wise men” who tell us that we have to vote for McCain becasue he isn’t Obama.
highhopes on August 24, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Hmmm. I’m a strong person and have my own opinions and I am getting evicerated here, because I won’t fall in line with the GOP crowd and vote McCain. And at one time, I thought that having a devotion to policy initiatives was called having principles and standing by one’s principles, no matter the political cost. I’ve read JFK’s Profiles in Courage. I see no such men described in that book in government today.
And yes, I think it is a weakness and disgrace when one does not believe in the rule of law, calls people who believe in the rule of law bigots and racists, cozies up to La Raza and Juan Hernandez, believes in global warming, believes in punishing oil speculators, believes ANWR is like the Grand Canyon, believes in the Gang of 14, believes in Campaign Finance, believes in torture legislation. I consider it a weakness and a disgrace when a candidate takes those stands on issues I find important, no matter in what party they reside.
Michael in MI on August 24, 2008 at 9:52 PM
By the time he’s finished you may not be able to legally own stock in anything.
TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Why can’t I post a comment with a link to the new CNN poll, showing Barack losing ground after choosing Biden? Oh well, whatever the reasons here is a portion:
*Tapping microphone: Hello? super delegates? Are you paying attention?
Weight of Glory on August 24, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Now’s not the time for circular firing squads if you care about the outcome.
TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Perspective! In the view of the MSM, Obama has already won the presidency. So any wiping is masked by one sided opinion polls and the usually bad reporting by the MSM.
It’s hard to dump a bad investment when the MSM has pumped so much sunshine up it’s tailpipe.
Kini on August 24, 2008 at 9:54 PM
True, because you never know how the comments of an anonymous guy on a blog are going to affect the outcome of an election.
Slublog on August 24, 2008 at 9:56 PM
I always pay attention and usually look a few steps ahead.
BTW, a reasonable person would say that everything that anyone says here is in all likelihood “immaterial”, as a snowball would have a better chance in hell than any of us, or all of us here put together, has of altering the course of the election.
MB4 on August 24, 2008 at 9:57 PM
If they vote for Obama…she will never be president. I think they will stay home. The probably think McCain is a 4 year president anyway.
tomas on August 24, 2008 at 9:57 PM
What I know is the last two Presidential elections were decided by very few votes.
TheBigOldDog on August 24, 2008 at 9:57 PM
so much sunshine up its tailpipe….
Kini on Aug 24,2008 at 9:54PM.
Kini: Are you writing a rebuttal to Al Gore!lol:)
canopfor on August 24, 2008 at 9:58 PM
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