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	<title>Comments on: Biden&#8217;s lobbying ties; Update: Son&#8217;s firm lobbies Biden</title>
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		<title>By: Biden bits about the blogosphere &#171; Crush Liberalism</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1329468</link>
		<dc:creator>Biden bits about the blogosphere &#171; Crush Liberalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Barry O must not have vetted his mate very well, because Biden&#8217;s got ties to his son&#8217;s lobbying firm. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Barry O must not have vetted his mate very well, because Biden&#8217;s got ties to his son&#8217;s lobbying firm. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Buy Danish</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1328535</link>
		<dc:creator>Buy Danish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on Hunter Biden from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/15/8232/16219/234/568279&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Daily Kos&lt;/a&gt;. Thanks guys!

There are a couple of lawsuits against him, but everyone sounds a bit shady in those deals so I&#039;m not taking sides, but this was interesting:

    &lt;blockquote&gt;His son, Hunter Biden, was hired as a management trainee at MBNA straight out of law school, and was quickly promoted to executive vice president. The younger Biden has since left MBNA to establish his own lawyer-and-lobbying firm, &lt;strong&gt;but still receives a $100,000 per year consulting fee from the bank&lt;/strong&gt;, which has since been swallowed by Bank of America.

    As it turns out, MBNA is Senator Biden&#039;s biggest contributor.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who wouldn&#039;t love to have a $100,000 a year &quot;consulting&quot; job working for a defunct bank? What does he do for them exactly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on Hunter Biden from <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/15/8232/16219/234/568279" rel="nofollow">Daily Kos</a>. Thanks guys!</p>
<p>There are a couple of lawsuits against him, but everyone sounds a bit shady in those deals so I&#8217;m not taking sides, but this was interesting:</p>
<blockquote><p>His son, Hunter Biden, was hired as a management trainee at MBNA straight out of law school, and was quickly promoted to executive vice president. The younger Biden has since left MBNA to establish his own lawyer-and-lobbying firm, <strong>but still receives a $100,000 per year consulting fee from the bank</strong>, which has since been swallowed by Bank of America.</p>
<p>    As it turns out, MBNA is Senator Biden&#8217;s biggest contributor.</p></blockquote>
<p>Who wouldn&#8217;t love to have a $100,000 a year &#8220;consulting&#8221; job working for a defunct bank? What does he do for them exactly?</p>
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		<title>By: Akzed</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1328388</link>
		<dc:creator>Akzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was then. 

This is now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was then. </p>
<p>This is now.</p>
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		<title>By: a capella</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1328275</link>
		<dc:creator>a capella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Biden was defeated by Michael Dukakis for the nomination in 1988! LMAO!

myamphibian on August 23, 2008 at 11:40 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;Heh. I wonder if Barry&#039;s wonder team vetted him tht far back. Maybe they didn&#039;t know. What a great ad that would make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Biden was defeated by Michael Dukakis for the nomination in 1988! LMAO!</p>
<p>myamphibian on August 23, 2008 at 11:40 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Heh. I wonder if Barry&#8217;s wonder team vetted him tht far back. Maybe they didn&#8217;t know. What a great ad that would make.</p>
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		<title>By: Entelechy</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1328188</link>
		<dc:creator>Entelechy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biden is an old &#039;commodity&#039;.

Hope, Change and Unity went under the bus before they were conceived as the biggest lie of this century, by the Obama illusion.

So much hot air there never was, and isn&#039;t likely to ever be again, in such a compressed timeframe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biden is an old &#8216;commodity&#8217;.</p>
<p>Hope, Change and Unity went under the bus before they were conceived as the biggest lie of this century, by the Obama illusion.</p>
<p>So much hot air there never was, and isn&#8217;t likely to ever be again, in such a compressed timeframe.</p>
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		<title>By: Still more commentary on Biden &#171; NObama - Not Now, Not Ever</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1327252</link>
		<dc:creator>Still more commentary on Biden &#171; NObama - Not Now, Not Ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Continued&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Choice of Biden Contradicts Obama&#8217;s Message &#171; Verus Politics: Truth and Reason</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1326570</link>
		<dc:creator>Choice of Biden Contradicts Obama&#8217;s Message &#171; Verus Politics: Truth and Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] obvious lack of foreign policy experience (Biden said so himself), and a willing recipient of many lobbyist contributions (which Obama swears off and claims to be above). These are just a few obvious contrasts to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] obvious lack of foreign policy experience (Biden said so himself), and a willing recipient of many lobbyist contributions (which Obama swears off and claims to be above). These are just a few obvious contrasts to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1326491</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama Bin Biden 2008

redrock on August 23, 2008 at 11:36 AM

posting Gold again, redrock!

It&#039;s becoming apparent that the Dems prefer their status as the &#039;loyal opposition&#039;, tossing rotten tomatoes at the Republicans from their lofty moral high ground. The pay is the same, without all of the headaches that come with the White House. They&#039;ve had Congress for two years and don&#039;t like having to answer for their lack of deliverables.  
Besides, Obama losing in a landslide will be further evidence (to Dems) that we are a racist country, that we&#039;ve slipped back instead of moving forward, that America is still on the wrong track. From my point of view, an Obama disaster on Nov 4th will show that we have moved beyond race, and refuse to elect an idiot just because other idiots were gullible enough to vote for him. 
By the bye-MY America has had a great economy for the last eight years! How about yours?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama Bin Biden 2008</p>
<p>redrock on August 23, 2008 at 11:36 AM</p>
<p>posting Gold again, redrock!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s becoming apparent that the Dems prefer their status as the &#8216;loyal opposition&#8217;, tossing rotten tomatoes at the Republicans from their lofty moral high ground. The pay is the same, without all of the headaches that come with the White House. They&#8217;ve had Congress for two years and don&#8217;t like having to answer for their lack of deliverables.<br />
Besides, Obama losing in a landslide will be further evidence (to Dems) that we are a racist country, that we&#8217;ve slipped back instead of moving forward, that America is still on the wrong track. From my point of view, an Obama disaster on Nov 4th will show that we have moved beyond race, and refuse to elect an idiot just because other idiots were gullible enough to vote for him.<br />
By the bye-MY America has had a great economy for the last eight years! How about yours?</p>
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		<title>By: This Will Be Fun &#171; Tai-Chi Policy</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325948</link>
		<dc:creator>This Will Be Fun &#171; Tai-Chi Policy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a candidate with a long history of comments that won&#8217;t help the Obama campaign, plagarism, plenty of lobbyist ties, a long, controversial record, who doesn&#8217;t exactly represent [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a candidate with a long history of comments that won&#8217;t help the Obama campaign, plagarism, plenty of lobbyist ties, a long, controversial record, who doesn&#8217;t exactly represent [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DannoJyd</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325896</link>
		<dc:creator>DannoJyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get it now! &#039;Change&#039; comes in big bundles from 
Lawyers/law firms, Real estate, Securities &amp; investment, and Miscellaneous finance.

Change you can &lt;em&gt;count&lt;/em&gt; on. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get it now! &#8216;Change&#8217; comes in big bundles from<br />
Lawyers/law firms, Real estate, Securities &amp; investment, and Miscellaneous finance.</p>
<p>Change you can <em>count</em> on.</p>
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		<title>By: byteshredder</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325837</link>
		<dc:creator>byteshredder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Joe Biden, YAAAAWN!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Joe Biden, YAAAAWN!</strong></p>
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		<title>By: CCRWM</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325832</link>
		<dc:creator>CCRWM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Republicans have a real chance to make a comeback here...If they do a bunch of mea culpas and promise to get back to conservatism they might be able to make lemonaid out of all these lemons...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Republicans have a real chance to make a comeback here&#8230;If they do a bunch of mea culpas and promise to get back to conservatism they might be able to make lemonaid out of all these lemons&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CCRWM</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325823</link>
		<dc:creator>CCRWM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biden has been trying to get elected for so long...loses every time...Obama is sinking fast and he picks dead weight Biden???? I don&#039;t get it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biden has been trying to get elected for so long&#8230;loses every time&#8230;Obama is sinking fast and he picks dead weight Biden???? I don&#8217;t get it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325790</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always knew that Obama was a phony, but even I am surprised at this pick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always knew that Obama was a phony, but even I am surprised at this pick.</p>
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		<title>By: Think_b4_speaking</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325781</link>
		<dc:creator>Think_b4_speaking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I can&#039;t wait for Monday morning, to buy up some calls on the popcorn futures market....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I can&#8217;t wait for Monday morning, to buy up some calls on the popcorn futures market&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: HawaiiLwyr</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325717</link>
		<dc:creator>HawaiiLwyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My head may just explode from all of the GREAT SUPER FUN data I am receiving today.  I actually intended to get things done today -now I am glued to the computer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My head may just explode from all of the GREAT SUPER FUN data I am receiving today.  I actually intended to get things done today -now I am glued to the computer!</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDem</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325683</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy Ed, you guys were prepared! I wonder if you had similar pieces prepared for Bayh and the other contenders.
Great work as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy Ed, you guys were prepared! I wonder if you had similar pieces prepared for Bayh and the other contenders.<br />
Great work as always.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Munford</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325677</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy Munford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things,

First, taking money from lobbyists is only bad if your a Republican.

and 

B.) I have mentioned in several threads now that Obama wants to lose. I think it is going to cause a huge amount of strife and that he will  gain in finances and in stature, which has been his goal And then Soros will take advantage of the discontent to get more than a foothold in the economy.  

Truthers have nothing on me.  And I did the first/b thing on purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things,</p>
<p>First, taking money from lobbyists is only bad if your a Republican.</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>B.) I have mentioned in several threads now that Obama wants to lose. I think it is going to cause a huge amount of strife and that he will  gain in finances and in stature, which has been his goal And then Soros will take advantage of the discontent to get more than a foothold in the economy.  </p>
<p>Truthers have nothing on me.  And I did the first/b thing on purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325654</link>
		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biden comes with build-in Swift Boats, his mouth. Hillary must be thrilled, this turd will sink Obama and open the door for Hillary in 2012. All she need do is lay low and watch the Republican Party continue destruction by separation from conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biden comes with build-in Swift Boats, his mouth. Hillary must be thrilled, this turd will sink Obama and open the door for Hillary in 2012. All she need do is lay low and watch the Republican Party continue destruction by separation from conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: race42008.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Race 4 2008 Essential Reads: Joe Biden Edition</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325651</link>
		<dc:creator>race42008.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Race 4 2008 Essential Reads: Joe Biden Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Biden’s Lobbying Ties - Ed Morrissey, Hot Air [...]</description>
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		<title>By: whitetop</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325637</link>
		<dc:creator>whitetop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lib hoi polloi has to be wondering right now what kind of &quot;change&quot; Biden represents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lib hoi polloi has to be wondering right now what kind of &#8220;change&#8221; Biden represents.</p>
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		<title>By: Halley</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325623</link>
		<dc:creator>Halley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please &lt;em&gt;stop&lt;/em&gt; attacking Democrats! They are better than us because they &lt;em&gt;care&lt;/em&gt;! Surely it doesn&#039;t matter what they actually do and say, since they are filled with &lt;em&gt;such compassion&lt;/em&gt;, and are &lt;em&gt;so frickin&#039; smart!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please <em>stop</em> attacking Democrats! They are better than us because they <em>care</em>! Surely it doesn&#8217;t matter what they actually do and say, since they are filled with <em>such compassion</em>, and are <em>so frickin&#8217; smart!</em></p>
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		<title>By: Mojack420</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325610</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojack420</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exit question: how long before Joe finds a place under the   bus . I think granny is holding a spot open for him right next to her .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exit question: how long before Joe finds a place under the   bus . I think granny is holding a spot open for him right next to her .</p>
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		<title>By: myamphibian</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325604</link>
		<dc:creator>myamphibian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;BowHuntingTexas on August 23, 2008 at 10:52 AM

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Biden was defeated by &lt;strong&gt;Michael Dukakis &lt;/strong&gt;for the nomination in 1988! LMAO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>BowHuntingTexas on August 23, 2008 at 10:52 AM</p>
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<p>Biden was defeated by <strong>Michael Dukakis </strong>for the nomination in 1988! LMAO!</p>
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		<title>By: flyfisher</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/24/bidens-lobbying-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-1325599</link>
		<dc:creator>flyfisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If anything, since Slo Jo Biden is such a droning gasbag, it will emphasize Obama can’t think on his feet … Bad choice. A northern way left liberal isn’t going to help much in the south.

tarpon on August 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The South was lost the moment it was clear &lt;strike&gt;Obamabi&lt;/strike&gt; Obambi was their nominee (that assumes Rove isn’t right this very moment plotting Hillary’s convention resurrection). And &lt;strike&gt;Obamabi’s &lt;/strike&gt; Obambi&#039;s skin color isn’t his problem in the South–it’s who he associates with and what he believes.

flyfisher on August 23, 2008 at 11:36 AM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If anything, since Slo Jo Biden is such a droning gasbag, it will emphasize Obama can’t think on his feet … Bad choice. A northern way left liberal isn’t going to help much in the south.</p>
<p>tarpon on August 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>The South was lost the moment it was clear <strike>Obamabi</strike> Obambi was their nominee (that assumes Rove isn’t right this very moment plotting Hillary’s convention resurrection). And <strike>Obamabi’s </strike> Obambi&#8217;s skin color isn’t his problem in the South–it’s who he associates with and what he believes.</p>
<p>flyfisher on August 23, 2008 at 11:36 AM</p>
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