Foreign policy genius unites Iraqis in sheer contempt for his plan

posted at 5:41 pm on August 23, 2008 by Allahpundit

Another feather in the cap of the man who thought a $200 million blank check for Iran was a good idea. I’m not being cute with the headline, either. One Iraqi pol, among several from various sects interviewed by Reuters who sneered at Greasy Joe’s partition “solution,” actually credits him with drawing Sunnis and Shia together through their mutual loathing of his idea.

Across racial and religious boundaries, Iraqi politicians on Saturday bemoaned Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama’s choice of running mate, known in Iraq as the author of a 2006 plan to divide the country into ethnic and sectarian enclaves…

Ezzet al-Shabender, a member of parliament from the secularist Iraqi List of former prime minister Ayad Allawi, actually credited the broad-based disgust triggered by Biden’s proposal for helping Iraqi politicians bury their differences.

“His project was the reason behind the unity of many political blocs that once differed in viewpoints,” he said, comparing it to the Balfour Declaration, a 1917 British note that backed the creation of Israel and is regarded across the Arab world as the ultimate colonial injustice.

“Such a person, if he would assume the vice-presidency post, would not serve to improve Iraq-USA relations.”

Coming soon: Biden unites the U.S. and Iran by proposing a Taliban state in western Afghanistan. In fairness, the Reuters piece doesn’t prove that his plan is wrong — but then Nuri al-Maliki saying he preferred a 16-month time frame for withdrawal didn’t prove that that was the right answer either back when Obamites were swooning over his Spiegel interview a few weeks ago. Just bear this in mind the next time you hear someone intoning about the wizard of Wilmington. Oh, and bear this in mind too: To the extent that public consensus has settled on the notion that the war was wrong but the surge was right, Biden will be the one and only candidate among the final four who’ll have voted wrong on both. Genius indeed.


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Biden is like Wile E. Coyote in the shed playing the Stuart Smalley game of self-affirmation.

“Joe Biden-Supra-Genius”

Like Grandpa always told me, “son if you have to brag about how smart you are to impress people you probably ain’t.”

NOBIDEN

sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 5:44 PM

But Allah, if Biden’s Plan for Iraq would have been instituted there would have really been a civil war-just as MSNBC proclaimed there was.

carbon_footprint on August 23, 2008 at 5:45 PM

this would be front page stuff if it was the Rep, candidate…

trailortrash on August 23, 2008 at 5:48 PM

Joe Biden the segregation candidate! LMAO!!

Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Yes, but if Biden himself put the plan in operation, it would have worked.

Those crazy neocons just screw everything up.

So goes the noise inside Biden’s head.

SteveMG on August 23, 2008 at 5:49 PM

comparing it to the Balfour Declaration

Was that the Eddie Balfour Declaration, when the Dallas Stars goalie said “Avalanche Suck!” ?

jaime on August 23, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Joe Biden the segregation candidate! LMAO!!

Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Well, he is from a former “slave state,” you know.

Wethal on August 23, 2008 at 5:52 PM

He’ll never be President(unless something entirely unforseen happens–and don’t jump down my throat over this–it’s a perfectly straight forward statement with no innuendo intended or hoped for)Since he’ll never be President we should worry just what negative effects his looney advice will have on Obama’s ideas of what is appropiate and beneficial in foreign policy strategies. Now that’s something to think about.

jeanie on August 23, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Looks like Bambam made good use of his time over there in Iraq to get the pulse of a critical ally before making his VP pick.

If a Democrat gets a dismissive write-up like that from even Reuters, they have no hope.

pedestrian on August 23, 2008 at 5:55 PM

To the extent that public consensus has settled on the idea that the war was wrong but the surge was right, Biden will be the one and only candidate among the final four who’ll have voted wrong on both. Genius indeed.

With this in mind, would it be asking too much of good fortune for Obama to start naming potential Cabinet members right after he’s nominated, using Biden’s credentials and record as a stake in the ground?

a capella on August 23, 2008 at 5:57 PM

sigh… even if biden’s plan WERE good…

WHAT ABOUT BAGHDAD???

the place with 25 % (yes, 25%) of iraq is incredibly MULTI-ethinic…. sunni, shia, kurd, christian, arab, non-arab…

what about baghdad, joe?

maybe we can make it an ‘international city’… that worked out well…

battleoflepanto1571 on August 23, 2008 at 5:58 PM

I wonder if Biden didn’t let politics get in the way, what may actually have happened……….?

“That responsibility to take the nation to war is above your pay grade,” said Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, ranking Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee.”

Bring it on Joe…………… we’ve got a million of ‘em.

Seven Percent Solution on August 23, 2008 at 6:03 PM

I still don’t get this choice for VP. Obama needed to find somebody with foreign policy creds since he has none- but Biden? The man isn’t even respected because of the many stupid things he has said over the years. Somebody like Colin Powell would have been exciting and energizing. Biden just puts everybody to sleep.

P.S. Speaks volumes that the Republicans out there praising the choice of Biden are all McCain’s closest allies in the screwing over the GOP including Lugar, Harkin, and Specter.

highhopes on August 23, 2008 at 6:05 PM

“war wrong…surge right” At breakfast this AM there were the usual group of anti-war types in the square waving signs and jumping up and down and shouting we should end the war get out of Iraq. Has no one told them yet? It’s like those sad Japanese soldiers on lonely islands after Hiroshima still waging war because no bothered to tell them it was over. My question: are these typical Democratic voters?

jeanie on August 23, 2008 at 6:06 PM

I read that there are many many Shia Sunni marriages in Iraq. Why would we want to go backwards?

Cindy Munford on August 23, 2008 at 6:10 PM

“This choice of Biden is disappointing, because he is the creator of the idea of dividing Iraq.”

Incorrect as Umar and Ali, and their respective followers, are the “creator” of the idea of dividing Iraq or deciding who rules Iraq as the alternative, not Biden.

There has already been much dividing in Iraq, Sunnis being driven from predominantly Shiite areas and Shiites being driven from predominantly Sunni areas. That is a good part of why the violence has gone down.

I can not speak for Robert Spencer or Hugh Fitzgerald,of course, but either of them could no doubt provide much further enlightenment on this matter.

MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Hey, Maliki — want to retract that almost-endorsement of Obama yet? Heh.

aero on August 23, 2008 at 6:14 PM

Okay, I don’t know which picture is worse, Madonna or Biden and Michelle!

carbon_footprint on August 23, 2008 at 6:16 PM

I’ve seen that movie too here’s highlights.

http://imustimes.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/imus-senator-biden-on-the-phone/

Dr Evil on August 23, 2008 at 6:17 PM

highhopes on August 23, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Oops meant to type Hagel not Harkin- as if there were a substantive difference between the two.

highhopes on August 23, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Okay, I don’t know which picture is worse, Madonna or Biden and Michelle!

carbon_footprint on August 23, 2008 at 6:16 PM

Madonna has gone all zero-body-fat workout crazy, and she just looks awful. All ropy and veiny and gaunt. Ick.

But the Biden and Michelle pic is pretty icky, too.

aero on August 23, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Those crazy neocons just screw everything up.

At times it does rather look that way.

A rather large topic. Would it cover, perhaps, such grand themes as the multicultural Big Lie that insists Western ways may be grafted — presto! — onto Islamic cultures? Or maybe the difficulties inherent in the Western-style, humane projection of power against seventh-century terrorist barbarians? No.

The classic clueless moment, however, came later in answer to a question from the floor: Did the administration ever tell Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia to bar combatants from crossing their borders into Iraq — or else? And if not (“not” is clearly the answer since these borders have been Grand Central Station for jihadists), why not? Wolfowitz owned up that the United States had said something or other at some point, but, overall, the consensus on the dais came down to a big, shrugging non-answer.

I got one of those answers myself, at least from Feith. I asked: What did these gentlemen think the United States would ultimately get out of Iraq in exchange for our massive investment of blood and treasure? And had they learned anything to make them doubt the president’s often-repeated promise that Iraq would become an “ally” in the “war on terror”? Shrug. Not interested in answering.

Looking back, there was a narrowness in the scope of discussion that time constraints alone can’t explain. It was as though the men believed every clue to heartbreak in Iraq could be found in the chain of events as they had already occurred — in papers already generated, debates already argued, rounds of infighting already waged, decisions already executed. In other words, to these men, there would seem to be nothing new worth pondering — like, for instance, the havoc Islamic ways wreak on Western-style nation-building.

Shrug.

Diana West

MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 6:25 PM

So Biden makes them want to puke, too.

Travis1 on August 23, 2008 at 6:27 PM

When does Obama throw Biden under the bus and draw again?

Grafted on August 23, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said the Obama-Biden ticket will bring the change the country needs, including a filibuster-proof Senate majority.

I’m not sure what makes Scary Harry think this union of B.O. and J.B. is going to make the senate “filibuster-proof”. It would also require Democrats to win at least nine of 11 targeted U.S. Senate races, PLUS, not lose a single seat currently of their own, even if the Obama-Biden ticket wins. Democrats and Republicans are currently tied at 49 seats each in the Senate. The two independents caucus with the Democrats. Democrats barely control the Senate by a razor-thin 51-49 majority only because of the two independents.

It’s not impossible, actually, it’s plausible. Republicans have 23 seats to defend, including 5 left vacant by retiring incumbents, while the Democrats have just 12 seats to defend. But I think Scary Harry is counting his eggs before they hatch. I’d love to see the people of America demonstrate just how far out of touch the Defeatocrats are with reality when not only B.O. & J.B. lose, but the Republicans retain their seats PLUS add a few former Defeatocrats seat. Man, that would be sweet.

SilverStar830 on August 23, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Biden will say he was using “reverse psychology” and it worked.

Rod on August 23, 2008 at 6:34 PM

I guess we can blame Gen. Petraeus for Biden.

If Iraq didn’t turn around, there’s no way – simply none – Obama would have selected a person who voted for the war.

It’s remarkable how far the Iraq issue has fallen off the political landscape. It’s now a secondary issue.

Amazing.

SteveMG on August 23, 2008 at 6:36 PM

It’s Ayad Allawi guys, Bush’s one true stooge in Iraq. I think I can leave it at that.

Seixon on August 23, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Joe Biden. I love it when the DemOrats keep trotting out their run down, has been, used to be, Model Ts!

byteshredder on August 23, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Obama was opposed to the surge of troops. And the surge went forward, and helped to stabilize Iraq. Without it, and if Obama had his way, an Iraq’s future would have been much different from the Iraq of today and now. And that future would have been worse, not better.

Biden wanted to divide up Iraq like a thanksgiving turkey. And the Iraqi people didn’t want that. And it wasn’t. If Biden had his way, the three countries of today would look nothing like the single unified Iraq, with people learning to live together again and have peace. And that future would have been worse, not better.

What two absolutely unqualified persons to be placed into positions of power for this country and the world. Lord help us and the world if they win.

wise_man on August 23, 2008 at 6:49 PM

It’s Ayad Allawi guys, Bush’s one true stooge in Iraq. I think I can leave it at that.

Last I checked, buddy, Ayad Allawi lived in Iraq. You think he doesn’t have the right to an opinion about his own country because he’s, as you put it, Bush’s one true stooge? Have you ever thought that maybe that’s what he really thinks? Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe someone who lives in Iraq might, maybe, perhaps know a little more of what’s going on in Iraq than say, you?

I think you’re an idiot, but that doesn’t mean you don’t have a right to an opinion.

mjk on August 23, 2008 at 6:57 PM

So. Scratch any bump for Obama on Biden’s foreign policy. What else is on Biden’s resume? Expertise on the economy? /s

Connie on August 23, 2008 at 7:52 PM

Dem headline: BIDEN HELPED UNITE IRAQ!

profitsbeard on August 23, 2008 at 8:15 PM

profitsbeard on August 23, 2008 at 8:15 PM

Ha! Probably.

Connie on August 23, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Dividing up Iraq was shot down for the stupid idea that it
was by Iraqis,our military,and the administration.I believe that the failure of this idea in S. Africa was brought up to show how much of a knee jerk idea it was and the fact that it would actually increase violence in the long term.

There are many areas in Iraq that have Sunni,Shia,and Kurd
living side by side.

The little town of Baghdad to name one.

If the movement of like minded people that share the same
heritage or religious beliefs is some kind of sign of failure,than start withdrawing from all major cities in the
US because there are concentrated(Harlem,China town) areas of blacks,whites,Hispanics,Italians,Asians …etc…etc..etc… in all of them.

This is not forced segregation,it is a natural progression
of choice by the people.

Violence did force people to flee or to seek safe haven
with those they felt safe with,this happens in war.

The stabilization of Iraq has brought back hundreds of thousands of people and they will continue to come back in
time if they want to.

Iraq is a success and trying to continue to cry “but what about this and that” is going to go the same way that all the mistakes of wars like WWI and WWII did,down the memory hole or relegated to whinnying by people who just can’t accept they were wrong when they said that Iraq could not come together and work toward a free society.

Think God Biden understood the importance of taking Saddam
down before him and his fellow democrats sold out their country for political gain:

Biden Called Saddam Hussein “An Extreme Danger To The World.” Biden:

“This is a guy who’s used weapons of mass destruction. This is a guy who’s destabilized the whole neighborhood. This is a guy who in a war with the Iranians, over 800,000 people on both sides were killed. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world. And this is a guy who is in every way possible seeking weapons of mass destruction. That case, in and of itself, ought to be sufficient.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 8/4/02)

Biden: “We Have No Choice But To Eliminate The Threat.”

NBC’s Tim Russert: “If the president of the United States was saying four years ago clear evidence of mass destruction, do we have any choice but to eliminate Saddam Hussein and the threat?” Biden: “We have no choice but to eliminate the threat.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 8/4/02)

Biden Said The Bush Administration Had Enough Classified Evidence On Iraq To Gain A Conviction At A Jury Trial.

Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., D-Del., said Tuesday on Capitol Hill that ‘the administration has evidence now that can change people’s minds.’ However, Biden said, ‘It’s a very tough call as to how much to release.’ Biden said he did not think the administration would make photographs public, as Adlai E. Stevenson, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, did in 1962 to back the Kennedy administration’s claim the Soviet Union had deployed missiles in Cuba that could strike the United States. But, Biden said, ‘I know there is enough circumstantial evidence that if there were a jury trial I could convict you.’” (Barry Schweid, “Administration Plans Disclosure Of Intelligence On Weapons,” The Associated Press, 1/28/03)

I guess that magnificent bastard Karl Rove must have shoved his arm straight up Biden’s a$$ and worked him like the dummy he is to say this about Saddam and how important it is
to take him down.

Just another liberal having to brag to everybody about how damn smart they are because it doesn’t show.

Baxter Greene on August 23, 2008 at 8:29 PM

Oh, and bear this in mind too: To the extent that public consensus has settled on the notion that the war was wrong but the surge was right, Biden will be the one and only candidate among the final four who’ll have voted wrong on both. Genius indeed.

Ding. Ding. Ding.

Buy Danish on August 23, 2008 at 8:29 PM

When does Obama throw Biden under the bus and draw again?

Grafted on August 23, 2008 at 6:27 PM

It happen right here: http://obamacrimes.com

byteshredder on August 23, 2008 at 8:54 PM

So the Iraqis don’t like identity politics either.

PattyJ on August 23, 2008 at 9:08 PM

Biden is like Wile E. Coyote in the shed playing the Stuart Smalley game of self-affirmation.

“Joe Biden-Supra-Genius”

Like Grandpa always told me, “son if you have to brag about how smart you are to impress people you probably ain’t.”

NOBIDEN

sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 5:44 PM

That image is great! haha

aikidoka on August 23, 2008 at 9:15 PM

So is Biden a uniter or a divider?

rbj on August 23, 2008 at 10:40 PM