Flashback: Biden to gun owner, “If that’s his baby, he needs help”; Update: Libertarian reaction

posted at 3:28 pm on August 23, 2008 by Allahpundit

And to think, I once said we wouldn’t get much mileage out of this clip. Here’s Greasy Joe at his best: Contemptuous, self-aggrandizing, and willing to hurt his own side in the interests of, ahem, straight-shooting. Listen to the audience murmur nervously when he says, “I don’t know that he’s mentally qualified to own that gun.”

This, of course, came during the same debate in which The One extended his holy hand to Iran and Hugo Chavez.

Update: Since we’re flashing back, enjoy Dave Weigel’s and Ryan Sager’s take on this from last July. Libertarians aren’t going to swing the election, but libertarian opinion on this subject is probably a reasonable proxy for gun owners’ opinion generally.


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I don’t know that he’s mentally qualified to own that gun…

“…but I’m sure my personal security service is.”

MadisonConservative on August 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Wow.

It’s Saturday. Less than 12 hours since Biden was named (officially) the Dem Veep.

McCain’s already had an ad out, and the crack Hot Air staff are all digging through their video stashes.

The news cycle is well on its’ way out the window on this campaign.

Go Allahpundit! (and Captain Ed! and the boss lady!)

Mew

acat on August 23, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Clean and Jerk. Nice, that’s amusing.

Spirit of 1776 on August 23, 2008 at 3:34 PM

So he’s mentally unstable BECAUSE he owns a gun?

SouthernGent on August 23, 2008 at 3:38 PM

In fairness, the questioner did seem kinda loopy.

packsoldier on August 23, 2008 at 3:44 PM

So he can’t own a gun, ol’ Joe, because you’re making a snap clinical judgement over mental imbalance? Really?

I didn’t realize pompous Jackass meant that you were suddenly qualified as a Medical Doctor.

mjk on August 23, 2008 at 3:44 PM

In fairness, the questioner did seem kinda loopy.

Yeah, I loved it though. I suspect it was a way to get his question on the debate by being as extreme with it as possible. And it worked. Really really well.

mjk on August 23, 2008 at 3:46 PM

Anybody else think Obama needs to get his hearing checked? 20 years of sitting in J. Wright’s church he never heard anything racist or anti-American. He was right there on the stage when Biden dissed gun owners. Either Barry has very poor hearing or he agrees with Rev. Wright and also with Biden’s answer.

funky chicken on August 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM

We should put Joe Biden in charge of deciding who can and who can’t own guns?

tmitsss on August 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM

hee hee hee.

For the 2008 Iowa caucus, Biden enlisted The West Wing’s Richard Schiff (aka Toby Ziegler) to spend the weekend barnstorming across the state with Biden. News reports said Schiff championed the 6-term Delaware senator as an experienced pol who wouldn’t “have to spend two or three years learning how to be president.”

Biden dropped out shortly afterward, complaining he couldn’t garner media attention what with Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton receiving all the fanfare because, “This is about celebrity.”

Ripclawe on August 23, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Biden what a foolish pick. He comes from a state that has no influence in the Presidential race. He has a long history of running his mouth off. He himself has said many racist remarks in the past.

Biden’s gun remarks reinforced the notation that the ticket is anti-gun which it is.

jdun on August 23, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Well, you know, we Michiganians do cling to our guns and religion! Apparently Joe hasn’t heard about the Supremes ruling on the 2nd Amendment.

flytier on August 23, 2008 at 3:52 PM

In fairness, the questioner did seem kinda loopy.

packsoldier on August 23, 2008 at 3:44 PM

If Republicans are going to go after Obama-Biden on gun control, criticizing Biden’s response in this video is exactly the wrong way to do it. The dude in the video will appear crazy to most of those who do not make gun control (or the lack thereof) one of their highest priorities. Go after them on things like handgun bans, etc. and don’t make heroes out of people like the guy in the YouTube video, if you want to win this issue in November.

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 3:55 PM

“If that’s his baby, he needs help”

Dems actually believe that, if we follow the law instead of ignoring the laws we choose to, or if we embrace the principles upon which our nation is founded, it is not a matter of difference of opinion — no, we are ignorant, uneducated, crude, or crazy.

Someone splain to me why this predominant Dem/lefty attitude isn’t criticized in the mainstream?

stonemeister on August 23, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Yes, I deliberately spelled “splain” instead of “explain”.

stonemeister on August 23, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Anybody else think Obama needs to get his hearing checked? 20 years of sitting in J. Wright’s church he never heard anything racist or anti-American. He was right there on the stage when Biden dissed gun owners. Either Barry has very poor hearing or he agrees with Rev. Wright and also with Biden’s answer.

funky chicken on August 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM

HI FC.
That is called selective hearing, IIRC.

carbon_footprint on August 23, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Allah, is there a video of hair plug making a statement on the DC vs Heller ruling?

Zorro on August 23, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Biden and Obama are both anti-gun, despite Obama’s attempts to portray himself as semi-pro-gun after the Heller decision came down. And having a clip of Biden boasting about writing the assault-gun ban — and lauding Dianne Feinstein for trying to expand the ban — can only help McCain.

AZCoyote on August 23, 2008 at 4:05 PM

What a donkey.

Geronimo on August 23, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Biden and Obama are both anti-gun, despite Obama’s attempts to portray himself as semi-pro-gun after the Heller decision came down. And having a clip of Biden boasting about writing the assault-gun ban — and lauding Dianne Feinstein for trying to expand the ban — can only help McCain.

AZCoyote on August 23, 2008 at 4:05 PM

I disagree. The assault weapon ban is a very popular law. If this becomes the “gun control” issue of 2008, it will hurt the Republican nominee.

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 4:09 PM

[tmitsss on August 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM]

Can’t. He just got put in charge of scuttling a floundering ship.

Dusty on August 23, 2008 at 4:15 PM

I see the liberals don’t get the humor … I do believe the fellow with the gun was trying to be funny while at the same time making a point. That sure doesn’t show up as sanity, unless of course you are a liberal …

Democrats made easy — Raise taxes, fund socialism and gun control. It’s all they know. Up to you to connect the dots.

tarpon on August 23, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Reason interview with guy who asked the question:

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/121589.html

funny comments

funky chicken on August 23, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Democrats made easy — Raise taxes, fund socialism and gun control. It’s all they know. Up to you to connect the dots.

tarpon on August 23, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Perhaps they’re in favor of gun control because they know it’s a winning issue.

link

link

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Democrats made easy — Raise taxes, fund socialism and gun control. It’s all they know. Up to you to connect the dots.

tarpon on August 23, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Don’t forget pushing for one-world governemnt and surrendering in the War on Terror.

ReubenJCogburn on August 23, 2008 at 4:28 PM

The assault weapon ban is a very popular law. If this becomes the “gun control” issue of 2008, it will hurt the Republican nominee.

What country is that a popular law? Who have you been talking to that thinks that that was a useful or reasonable law beside the nutcases on each coast? It certainly wasn’t people in the Middle of the Country!!!

flytier on August 23, 2008 at 4:29 PM

From my cold dead hands.

TheSitRep on August 23, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Perhaps they’re in favor of gun control because they know it’s a winning issue.

link

link

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 4:24 PM

I think you need to rethink your position there champ. Jean Francois Keri-Heinz probably lost in ’04 based on his gun-control roots. He *should* have won Ohio easily given the general discontent with the state GOP that was already brewing. The pro-gunners helped sink him.

sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 4:30 PM

The assault weapon ban, popular?? Do you remember what happpened to the Democrats after that passed? Then what happened to the Republicans when it expired? The Reason interview makes it clear this is no imbecile…he’s just concerned about his Second Amendment rights, as are a lot of us. And it’s just as clear the the Democratic nominee and his partner have given us an upturned finger.

Jeffersonian on August 23, 2008 at 4:35 PM

THe nice thing about this ticket is you essentially have secular Jesus and John-the clean articulate messiah comes forth-the Baptist in one place. If we could figure out a way to harness the gravitational warping their egos have to exert we could avoid drilling to keep Miss America and Dirty Harry both saving the planet and non-ill. A win/win.

sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM

The assault weapon ban, popular?? Do you remember what happpened to the Democrats after that passed? Then what happened to the Republicans when it expired? The Reason interview makes it clear this is no imbecile…he’s just concerned about his Second Amendment rights, as are a lot of us. And it’s just as clear the the Democratic nominee and his partner have given us an upturned finger.

Jeffersonian on August 23, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Check out the polls in the links I provided above (4:24 pm comment).

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Biden to gun owner, “If that’s his baby, he needs help”

Excellent quote and so true.

P.S. I’m against any gun control excluding perhaps that you really do need register your nuke.

freevillage on August 23, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Check out the polls in the links I provided above (4:24 pm comment).

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 4:39 PM

The ones going back to ’99?

The main thrust is that people don’t mind sensible regulation of their rights. The gulf is between pro-gun people thinking that means keeping weapons in sane, non-felonious, citizen’s hands, and donks who seem to think they should all be de-milled and paperweights….(well except for their guns and their rent-a-cop guards’) Have the courage of your convictions like Barry’s friendly neighborhood dustbin baby generating abortionists should…..

run as gun banner and they can start ending the lives of the newly-born by their own hand instead of having a living breathing human expire slowly uncared for, never knowing the pleasure of a moment’s worth of empathy.

Liberals make me ill…..”free Mumia” but while we’re at it let’s not protect the newborns…..

Democrats all the compassion in the world for murderers, none for people whose only sin was surving their abortion procedure.

sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 4:47 PM

The ones going back to ‘99?

The main thrust is that people don’t mind sensible regulation of their rights. The gulf is between pro-gun people thinking that means keeping weapons in sane, non-felonious, citizen’s hands, and donks who seem to think they should all be de-milled and paperweights….(well except for their guns and their rent-a-cop guards’)

I understand that. I’m just saying that the guy in the Youtube video asking the question does not fall within the general public’s perception of “sensible.” If this (or anything close to it) becomes the standard for gun rights debate this election, the Republicans will lose that argument.

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 4:54 PM

If this (or anything close to it) becomes the standard for gun rights debate this election, the Republicans will lose that argument.

Not necessarily. If the gun owner here is a caricature of gun rights advocates, Biden’s sneering response is a caricature of gun control advocates. In a clash of two caricatures, the one with more power is always likelier to take more heat.

Allahpundit on August 23, 2008 at 4:58 PM

If Republicans are going to go after Obama-Biden on gun control, criticizing Biden’s response in this video is exactly the wrong way to do it. The dude in the video will appear crazy to most of those who do not make gun control (or the lack thereof) one of their highest priorities. Go after them on things like handgun bans, etc. and don’t make heroes out of people like the guy in the YouTube video, if you want to win this issue in November.

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 3:55 PM

By all means, take the advice of a guy who supports the Spooky Lookin’ Weapons Ban and other various other anti-2nd nonsense…

doubleplusundead on August 23, 2008 at 5:02 PM

I disagree. The assault weapon ban is a very popular law. If this becomes the “gun control” issue of 2008, it will hurt the Republican nominee.

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 4:09 PM

A very popular law? To whom was it popular? I believe there was a loud cheer when the original ban sunsetted, and very little support for the “upgrade”, except from the Left.

El Cazador on August 23, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Not necessarily. If the gun owner here is a caricature of gun rights advocates, Biden’s sneering response is a caricature of gun control advocates. In a clash of two caricatures, the one with more power is always likelier to take more heat.

Allahpundit on August 23, 2008 at 4:58 PM

Eh, I don’t know. If it was any old gun owner with a gripe about the assault weapons ban, I might be inclined to agree with you about Biden’s response. However, the dude in the video was, as you pointed out, the classic caricature of a “gun nut” – not exactly the kind of advocate that gun rights proponents should be putting forward. I say stick with Heller and concealed carry, since those are strong issues for the GOP. There’s plenty of material there, and Republicans don;t need to be making heroes out of “gun nuts.”

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 5:04 PM

A very popular law? To whom was it popular? I believe there was a loud cheer when the original ban sunsetted, and very little support for the “upgrade”, except from the Left.

El Cazador on August 23, 2008 at 5:03 PM

There was a loud cheer among those who were in favor of repealing the law, but they were a vocal minority. Gun rights/control are actually pretty low on the list of priorities for most voters. If Republicans want to shine a spotlight on the issue, and move it up on the priorities list, they should not stake out a position that the majority of people tend to line up against. By all means, go after them on guns – just don’t make Biden’s response here the center of the argument.

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 5:10 PM

Also, if McCain picks Romney then this is not a good point to pick at since Romney is also for the AWB.

He is not really a 2nd guy as was shown in the first Repub debate.

jharada on August 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM

From my cool dead hands

KCtheKat on August 23, 2008 at 5:21 PM

The gun control freaks fail to grasp the AW weapons ban of times gone by. had no measurable effect on crime according to the FBI. But pushing a new AW ban with all the CCW holders out there is going to be fatal — If you listen, they want to ban guns that ‘hold too many bullets’, that would include nearly every CCW holders gun in the country.

Go for it liberals … Notice how the liberal’s ‘reduces crime pretext’ has been done away with in gun control debate arguments. It’s now about safety, blah blah blah … Hey even DC now allows you to have guns. How cool is that?

But at least your library card is safe from the evil Bush — Please tell me you weren’t dumb enough to fall for that one.

Understanding Democrats made easy — raise taxes, fund socialism and gun control. You connect the dots.

tarpon on August 23, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 5:10 PM

Maybe, but how many of those who don’t care vote? Pro-2nd voters may be a vocal minority, but they’re a very politically active vocal minority.

doubleplusundead on August 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM

LOL, I meant Cold, I guess I’m not quite dead yet.

KCtheKat on August 23, 2008 at 5:35 PM

If we can’t get Rickles in the White House, this guy’s the next best thing!

Jim Treacher on August 23, 2008 at 5:52 PM

doubleplusundead on August 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Bullseye.
Very few of those supporting more gun control consider it a high priority. But for many of us opposed to gun control it is a top priority, or even a “single issue” matter.
Given McCain’s weakness with the base, the Biden pick will increase turnout. It may only be a fraction of a percent, but every little bit helps, no?

Rodent on August 23, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Announcement on cell phones at 4 in the morning and then its a 35 year senator with no other experience?

This ones easy the first 795 0bama picks said hell no!

Its’ darn hard to win a National election without the N.R.A.

dhunter on August 23, 2008 at 6:10 PM

Maybe, but how many of those who don’t care vote? Pro-2nd voters may be a vocal minority, but they’re a very politically active vocal minority.

doubleplusundead on August 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Plenty.

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 6:54 PM

Obama and Biden – a marriage made in hell.

docdave on August 23, 2008 at 7:21 PM

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Fortunately , the reason no real gun control is now on the table is because the SC has defined our rights as never before. What I find laughable is when I see someone say that gun control is a winning proposition and then post some serious numbers in that assertion. Even under only a cursory viewing of these numbers and the questions asked it’s shown that they’re contrived, for the most part, to indicate and support that assertion that we’re in favor of GUN CONTROL. This defies logic and reason.

73% say that the 2nd amendment guarantees our right to own

78% support the ban on assault weapons WTF ????????????????
Anybody have a problem with this?

I just spent the last half hour reading these polls. It’s as though the above response came from a question asked in two parts.
If the GANG down the street was threatening you …..with a rifle….
Would you support a ban on assault weapons?

And besides …does anyone know anyone who was polled on this or anything…ever?

jerrytbg on August 23, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Huh, he wrote the 1994 gun ban. I didn’t know that. He’s a perfect fit for Barry O.

At least now I can quit worrying about BO ever becoming president.

darwin-t on August 23, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Biden F from thr NRA.

Obama said that the D.C. handgun bad was constitutional.. and endorsed Illinois handgun ban..

Obama/Biden against the 2nd Amendment gun grabbers.

Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Biden got an F from the NRA.

Obama said that the D.C. handgun bad was constitutional.. and endorsed Illinois handgun ban..

Obama/Biden against the 2nd Amendment gun grabbers.

Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 7:58 PM

Huh, he wrote the 1994 gun ban. I didn’t know that. He’s a perfect fit for Barry O.

At least now I can quit worrying about BO ever becoming president.

darwin-t on August 23, 2008 at 7:45 PM

don;t you know typical white people clinging to their guns, religion and antipathy to people who aren’t like them..

So.. looks like Obama is in conflict with guns and religion, and is skeptical about white people.. maybe Obama’s the racist one.

Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 8:00 PM

maybe Obama’s the racist one.

Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 8:00 PM

Gee…I thought that was common knowledge.

jerrytbg on August 23, 2008 at 8:03 PM

The Libertarians are all over the place anyway, I watched their convention on C-Span and some did not want Bob Barr, you just cannot satisfy everyone.

People are going to be unhappy across the political board. God knows – unfortunately there are enough Republicans not happy with John McCain. But you can’t always get what you want but you sometimes get what you need, i.e., John McCain being the best candidate for right now at this point in our GOP history.

AprilOrit on August 23, 2008 at 8:19 PM

I’m the guy that originally wrote the assault weapon ban…

I guess Obama just wanted to lose a few more gun owners.

aikidoka on August 23, 2008 at 9:19 PM

A win for McCain gets easier and easier the more this rockhead Biden talks.

tx2654 on August 23, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Don’t think old Joe ever had that lunch with jeredt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlK7zl6jfXg

Texyank on August 23, 2008 at 11:13 PM

I disagree. The assault weapon ban is a very popular law. If this becomes the “gun control” issue of 2008, it will hurt the Republican nominee.

Big S on August 23, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Actual assault weapons, which are military weapons that are fully automatic or have a selector switch to select a fully automatic mode have been banned unless you have got a class 3 license. The Dems were banning weapons that looked like assualt weapons.

Johan Klaus on August 24, 2008 at 12:48 AM

Isn’t it interesting how CNN has keep a lid on this clip?

Back in the day they where so proud of their YouTube Debate.

You’d think they’d want to relive their glory days.

mad saint jack on August 24, 2008 at 2:34 AM

Johan Klaus on August 24, 2008 at 12:48 AM

Big S 365 days a year 24 hours a day.

Sigh…

One more time from the top:

An Assault Weapon is not,

An Assault Rifle is not,

A Machine Gun.

These three terms should not be used interchangeably by any one who wants to pass themselves off as competent on the topic of small arms. (And the BATFE does not fall into that category)

mad saint jack on August 24, 2008 at 2:50 AM

mad saint jack on August 24, 2008 at 2:50 AM

Actual. The name “assault weapon”, was highjacked by the anti gun crowd. The banned weapons were semi-automatic weapons that are similar to a hunting rifle, except much less powerful, that look like military weaopns

Johan Klaus on August 24, 2008 at 4:15 AM

We’ll get tons of mileage out of this clip.

Here’s why: You see, Mr. Big S, I’ve lived in many countries wherein firearms ownership was not anywhere near legal for the “proletariat”. I will never forget the folks laughing at my wife when she translated my question about handgun ownership in Kyrgyzstan…. They knew which end was up.

Having been in the Marine Corps, I understand that a bunch of radicals in the streets of LA aren’t going to do much in the face of combined arms. That being said, it is a healthy subtext to our elected officials to not push too far lest the owners of 240 million weapons come calling.

Watching the “Tulip” revolution in Kyrgyzstan (I lived in Bishkek and they set my apartment building on fire while we were in it recording license plate numbers), Akayev only left power because he’d stolen enough. When the people resorted to protesting the nest year against the new ruler Bakiyev, Bakiyev told them to f### off and they had no recourse, no way to stand up for themselves. The second amendment sets us apart from other countries because of the subtext – because it instills the basic fear in the government of facing retribution from a righteously angered populace. Throwing off the yoke of a government is no simple matter, but the means exist, and our forefathers sought ot ensure that right to succesive generations.

WHEN THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO FEAR OF THE POPULACE AND HAS A MONOPOLY OF FORCE, THE GOVERNMENT IS WITHOUT EQUAL AND MAY DO AS IT WISHES. Remember that.

flashoverride on August 24, 2008 at 7:32 AM