Awesomely awesome: Top Clinton advisors tell CNN they’re outraged by how she was treated; Update: Place her name in nomination for VP, urges Kristol
posted at 4:47 pm on August 23, 2008 by Allahpundit
The only way this could be more awesomely awesome is if it involved robots. As it is, I’m downright woozy at the thought of what’s in store on Tuesday night.
A top Clinton advisor also told CNN they were “outraged,” over how the process was conducted.
“You can’t put [Obama VP vetters] Eric Holder and Carolyn Kennedy on an hour plane ride to Chappaqua just to check the box? They should have done it just for the optics,” this person said. “Barack never even said to her, ‘Here’s how I envision the job’– not one discussion with her about [the position].”
“They thought her supporters were mad before? They are really mad now,” this person also said. We knew it was never going to happen but you would have thought they might at least make a show of it.”
Former Clinton strategist Paul Begala echoed similar frustrations on CNN Friday night.
“I think there are a lot of Hillary voters who are going to say, ‘Hey, wait a minute, man. You said you were going to put her on the short list. You know, you didn’t even vet her. You didn’t call her. You didn’t seek her advice,’” Begala said. “By the way, he didn’t seek President Clinton’s advice either. He’s actually the guy who I think picked the best vice president in American history. You would think maybe you would sort of check in with him.”
Says another Hillary insider to the New York Post of picking Greasy Joe, “Maybe it was a death wish.” Team Barry’s defense to CNN is that, between 16 months of oppo research on her and another 16 years of media scrutiny, she’s already been vetted as thoroughly as anyone could be. Which is sheer nonsense: They’d surely want inside details on Bill’s relationships with Ron Burkle and Frank Giustra, not to mention any extracurriculars on the trail over the past six months. There’s always more you can learn by asking, unless they’d seriously have us believe that the Clintons — the Clintons — have no secrets left to tell. Your unanswerable exit question, per CNN’s source: Why, oh why, oh why, didn’t Barry O simply have her in for an interview and check the box?
Update: Devilishly clever. It’ll never happen, of course, but the very thought of it fills my heart with malicious glee.
So Hillary Clinton gets about 18 million votes in 2008, and isn’t even considered for–she apparently isn’t even given the courtesy of being consulted–the vice presidential pick. Joe Biden manages to persuade a few thousand (if that) Iowans to support him. And Barack Obama selects Biden? Normally, if the VP pick came from that year’s presidential field, it’s the runner-up (Kerry-Edwards in 2004, Reagan-Bush in 1980, Stevenson-Kefauver in 1952). (Lyndon Johnson in 1960 hadn’t entered the primaries.) And Biden wasn’t even the third most successful candidate this year (hi, John Edwards!), or fourth (Bill Richardson, I suppose), or fifth (Dennis Kucinich!)…
A modest suggestion to my justifiably outraged Democratic friends: Hillary’s name should be placed in nomination not for the presidency (Obama won that more or less fair and square)–but for the vice presidency. It would be an interesting roll call vote.
I groused to a friend yesterday about how insane it is that nominees have to contest 50 grueling primaries/caucuses to win the nomination but the next in line to the throne if they’re elected is chosen purely on their own say so. If the wisdom of Democratic voters is trustworthy enough to pick the top half of the ticket (superdelegates notwithstanding), why isn’t it trustworthy enough to pick the bottom half? If Hillary was a little older and had no shot at a run in 2016, I wonder whether she wouldn’t drop the good-soldier pretense she’s displaying now and take a shot at this idea.
A tidbit from Rasmussen for delegates and PUMAs to mull: “Women are notably less enthusiastic [about picking Biden] than men—33% of women say Biden was the right choice while 27% disagreed. Men, by a 46% to 24% margin, said that Obama made the right choice.”
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Tom Ridge never impressed us much in PA. Competent, but dull governor.
Wethal on August 23, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Rudy is my man, i would be all for it.
Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Of course it is. That’s why it would a disaster if McCain picked her.
The left disinfo machine would go into absolute overdrive with it.
BallisticBob on August 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Palin can help McCain win, that’s the number one job of veep.
myamphibian on August 23, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Besides after The One™ is blown away in November, Hill will be busy putting 2012 team together.
mred on August 23, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Yup, I’m also old enough to remember another governor drinking Ivan’s milkshake. I am not denigrating McCain’s service but military liason is not exactly the foreign experience we are looking for. I am ex-army my wife is still in. Her being in Iraq right now does not put “influenced Iraq” on her resume.
It means they served honorably under harsh circumstances.(McCain’s far worse than my family has ever faced, thank God)
I’d rather have someone up there who is efficient at working the other direction running the herd of cats rather than being one of the herd of cats in their past.
No offense.
sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 6:24 PM
No the #1 job of the veep is to be a partner for the President, someone that the President can work with and get good advise from for difficult decisions.. Rudy is the best pick. Rudy and McCain and very good friends, Rudy is a very smart man, knows the law VERY well, does very well in debates and interviews, communicates very well.
Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Wouldn’t the federal government be handling most of the relations with foreign governments?
If the GOP wants someone who is qualified, yet could add some “diversity” as a by-product, why not Eric Cantor? Only Jewish GOP member of the House? Good on economics, good on foreign policy. Might peel off critical Jewish votes in some state.
In PA, the election may be decided in the Philly suburbs, which have more Jewish voters than other parts of the states. Dems will take Pittsburgh and Phily, and maybe Scranton, the GOP the rest of the states, and the suburbs will be the battleground.
Wethal on August 23, 2008 at 6:26 PM
I disagree, but I would. The VP histoically is kept relatively in the dark. It is not as though they have the Veep sitting to the President’s right overruling the rest of the cabinet. Billy Jeff put Al “who’s that?*” Gore to work “reinventing govt”…..ie nuking the military and boy didn’t that work out for us?
*when looking at Jefferson’s bust at Monticello
sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 6:28 PM
The photo used here is a classic. My infant grandson saw it and started crying.
Travis1 on August 23, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Getting up to walk to the fridge, open the bottle of champagne and toast to that end Rockmom. I have so longed to hear those words.
Rovin on August 23, 2008 at 6:29 PM
rumors of the wicked with and billiam’s demise are, I suspect overblown.
sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 6:31 PM
No, he has a Cabinet for that. It’s only a part of the role of VP.
I like Rudy well enough, but he has the same strengths as McCain (generally). VP doesn’t need to be an echo chamber.
Spirit of 1776 on August 23, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Palin is very strong on energy and also communicates very well. She may be a Washington outsider and not very well known, but her conservative chops and appeal can’t be denied. This election is about contrast, Sarah Palin would be the icing on the cake for McCain.
myamphibian on August 23, 2008 at 6:33 PM
The #1 job of the VP is to be qualified to fill the job of president, including Commander-in-Chief, if fate makes the office of president empty. Who in teh VP pool is up to aht job?
I’d say Rudy, too, but 1) he is not pro-life, and 2) his messy personal life would be fodder for personal attack ads.
Wethal on August 23, 2008 at 6:33 PM
you don’t think Clinton asked Gore his opinion about anything? Now, Look at Bush and Cheney you know that with them that a relationship exists and Cheney isn’t “in the dark”(he might be an underground command center, that would be cool >:D but he knows whats going on)
Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 6:34 PM
he has worked to get Roberts and Alito confirmed and made it one his 12 commitments to appoint strict constructionist judges.
Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 6:36 PM
Palin is a woman and her and she’d bring the ENERGY issue to the forefront.
She would be speaking with authority about the most pressing issue of this election.
Slam dunk.
mylegsareswollen on August 23, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Actually I don’t. Gore was extremely bitter towards Clinton if you watched his behavior on the stump in 2000. If Clitnon listened to Treeboy on his areas of ‘expertise’ he sure didn’t show it vis a vis Kyoto did he? No Gore as a pick to try to shore up Billy’s weakness on military matters, and to show “look I’m really a DLC moderate for real”.
……………..
YMMV,
sven
sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Yes, that’s true, but he is still personally pro-choice, and the GOP platform is presumably going to have a pro-life plank. (I know planks and platforms rarely get read by the electorate), but they matter to the party faithful that the party needs to turn out (and give and volunteer).
Wethal on August 23, 2008 at 6:40 PM
on the matrix Rudy is Pro-Choice however he is Anti-Abortion(where most people in America are)
On the other side Obama and Biden are Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion(they espouse policies that actually promote abortions, like voting in favor of partial birth abortions like Obama did or like, allowing minors to cross state lines to get abortions and the clinic does not need to notify the parents, both Obama and Biden voted for both of those bills)
Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 6:40 PM
A platform doesn’t matter IF you can’t get a judge confirmed past a Democrat controlled Senate.
Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Palin supports the 75% windfall profits Alaskan oil tax.
She’a burbling bimbo as well.
Wethal on August 23, 2008 at 6:42 PM
It matters if you can’t get elected in the in first place because pro-life conservatives, part of the GOP base, won’t support.
Wethal on August 23, 2008 at 6:44 PM
It’s true Alaskans are addicted to taxing oil. It seems to me that not being a verbal martial artist must be a benefit not a burden, if you read the democrat ticket.
sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Abortion’s shades of gray, by Michael Medved
Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Well, I’m actually going to give Obama props on this one. Screw the Clintons, they’re old news. Time to turn the corner and start anew for the Democrats. Whether that will work or not, though, is another thing.
Seixon on August 23, 2008 at 6:46 PM
From another Hotair thread.
Wethal on August 23, 2008 at 6:47 PM
If Rudy would be a possible vice-president choice, you may as well go for the gusto and pick Newt.
myamphibian on August 23, 2008 at 6:48 PM
I’m Pro-Life, I supported Rudy in the Primary specifically because I knew that the Democrats would not be able to filibuster his nominees(because he’s Pro-Choice) I want Roe Overturned and I have a feeling that Rudy does too, since he is a major Federalist, overturning Roe would not outlaw Abortion, it would just then be left to the states, where it belongs..
Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Chakra Hammer, are you a New Yorker?
myamphibian on August 23, 2008 at 6:51 PM
I don’t understand why Rudy hasn’t tried to take Hillary’s Senate seat.
myamphibian on August 23, 2008 at 6:52 PM
Useful.
Not useful.
Spirit of 1776 on August 23, 2008 at 6:52 PM
If Obama was going to be “something new, Change, Unity and Hope”, the worst he could have done…Biden. Hillary would have been feared. This one, not so much. I also feared Keane.
Indeed. Machiavelli will have to take a much lower seat in political history. Fakery will be indignant after that night.
Entelechy on August 23, 2008 at 6:53 PM
I thought the stupidest thing the Fred Thompson campaign did was boasting about how he was going to get Roe overturned, his chances of getting a judge confirmed went from slim to none.
Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 6:54 PM
Serious question: would Mitt come off as “too mean” in a debate against the ignoramous Biden?
How about Rudy?
Pawlenty or Sanford might do better? Sanford anyway…Southerners are better at keeping the friendly facade than Yankees. Or Kay Bailey Hutchison, for the same reason?
/yes, I’m pretty sure Sanford doesn’t want the job.
funky chicken on August 23, 2008 at 6:55 PM
Nope, Born and raised in NW Indiana until i was 23-24 then moved to Minnesota and been here for like 10 years.
I’m still a Hooiser, not a Minnesotan. :)
Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 6:56 PM
I actually have to agree with Hugh Hewitt though…now that Obama picked Biden, McCain has a solid hold on the South. The Romney veep idea is more plausible because of the Biden veep nomination.
funky chicken on August 23, 2008 at 6:59 PM
Sarh Palin would not be ready on January 25, 2009 to assume the presidency.
That is what John McCain needs in a VP
EJDolbow on August 23, 2008 at 6:59 PM
With Obama picking Biden, Obama being the MOST LIBERAL SENATOR and Biden being the 3rd MOST LIBERAL SENATOR, I don’t care who McCain picks, McCain gets my vote enthusiastically in November.
Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 7:05 PM
This debate begins and ends with Fred. I’m tired of not just big government but the societal acceptance of it because there is no voice on a national stage (elected) that is preaching small government while our schools and media indoctrinate our young and influence everyone else that government is our only hope of a better life. At least one can hope that Fred would buffer McCain from creating more government as well as selecting responsible judges. I have NO faith Rudy could deliver the same and plenty of faith he would deliver the opposite.
CTDeLude on August 23, 2008 at 7:06 PM
Primo idea, although I wouldn’t go with SecState. I think Interior, HUD, Education, EPA maybe. Any of the downlevel position. If I were McCain, I would milk it for all it’s worth:
“Like a lot of her supporters, I too am disappointed that Sen. Obama failed to include my good friend Sen. Clinton in the VP selection process. I am therefore publicly inviting Sen. Clinton to join my administration as Secy of Interior, HUD, or Education if she so chooses.”
That would suck in all the PUMA vote and most Republicans wouldn’t care if she were offered one of those jobs.
Kafir on August 23, 2008 at 7:09 PM
Carl Cameron Fox News just now:
1/2 the delegates at Denver early are furious that Hillary wasn’t consulted and many think she should be the nominee.
Many of the Hillary delegates are so mad they may vote for John McCain!
Others are trying to make a brave show of unity but are frankly seething!
This an almost verbatim quote of Carl Cameron
dhunter on August 23, 2008 at 7:10 PM
Fred debating Biden? I’d pay a premium for that ticket.
Arrogant, dumbass, empty suit Biden versus thoughtful, witty, fatherly southern drawl, Thompson?
Come on lets git it on!
dhunter on August 23, 2008 at 7:14 PM
Game Over Barack…
BKennedy on August 23, 2008 at 7:15 PM
I honestly have a hard time believing that.
What would it accomplish, other than putting the GOP in charge?
Is that what they really want?
BallisticBob on August 23, 2008 at 7:16 PM
agreed
also agreed: so it’s Mitt, and hope for the best
still, I like Rudy: He’s a mensch, he’s smart, he can play the media like a fiddle, and he can lead when leadership is needed. But, cancer and the pro-choice Thing and all those ex-wives……..
politics is an unforgiving B+tch
Janos Hunyadi on August 23, 2008 at 7:21 PM
Hillary got no consideration? Nah… I don’t believe that. I’m sure Obama thought about it… laughed about it and forgot about it.
Maxx on August 23, 2008 at 7:21 PM
Dean may be a terrible party chair, but msm played a much larger role in the early days of primaries and caucuses.
However, there is no doubt Hillary tried the gracious route thinking the nomination hers already. So yes, all in all, she ran a terrible campaign.
Sir Napsalot on August 23, 2008 at 7:26 PM
Possible only because McCain is the nominee, and he’s not been overtly hostile to democrats over the years. Remember early on he said some nice things about Hillary…folks here freaked out, but in hindight it’s looking pretty smart.
BUT all bets are off if McCain goes with a true conservative ideologue for VP. Palin being hard core pro-life counts against her in this political climate. Mitt’s previous “nuance” on life and on gay issues is a plus also…unfortunate that he listened to some bad advice and pulled a complete 180 to try to secure the nomination.
funky chicken on August 23, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Look at what Rudy did in New York City in a leadership role, what has Fred done again? oh yea.. cough cough..
Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Not only what Rudy did in New York City but he was also in the Reagan Administration and he put lots of bad guys into prison. ;)
Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 7:32 PM
Fred’s a great guy, but he won’t want to be the next president. One job of a presidential nominee is to try to pick a successor … I sent Fred money and really, really like him. But Rudy, Mitt, Pawlenty, Sanford are all better choices for veep.
funky chicken on August 23, 2008 at 7:38 PM
What?
I am shocked, just shocked!
You mean they didn’t even offer to gold plate her broom and fix Bill up with some Bimbo?
What nerve.
MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Maybe because he was afraid she would wire herself with explosives.
MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 7:43 PM
I think that Bill would want the interior.
Oh, you probably mean a different kind of interior. Never mind.
MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Keep on eating your own….that’s a sure ticket to victory. Barry inhaled enough donor cash the DNC is strapped, so unless you have some Buddhist monks on speed-dial I’d suggest you figure out how to placate the PUMAs. Then again I’d really rather you keep up the “good work” so my side’ll win.
sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 7:47 PM
First prize – 1 night with Hillary.
Second prize – 2 nights with Hillary.
Third prize – 3 nights with Hillary.
MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 7:51 PM
Just a question for those who dont want to do “identity politics”…. when will it ever not be identity politics? Palin could be the strongest canidate for President in 2012 and I would be willing to bet that those same people would use the same arguement. If that’s the case then we will never have a woman or a minority (qualified as they may be) nominated for President. I like Palin, I believe she has good credentials. Is she perfect? No, but then who is? It will take a bold move to change our image and if we have someone qualified who is female or a minority then let’s take the chance. Just my two cents.
Defensor Fortis
mo_gunslinger on August 23, 2008 at 7:52 PM
I don’t have a side this fight. I may not have a lot of principles but I do have some.
MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Biden is considering a sex change before the election.
Let the hair grow, add more pancake, and borrow some pantsuits…
profitsbeard on August 23, 2008 at 8:03 PM
nObma couldn’t pick Hillary as vp. He picks her and then all of that Clinton history and Clinton current events come into play. That would be a sure loser for him. But, yeah, he should have done the “courtesy” thing and checked the box. But, then again, he is a bad politician.
McCain should pick Mitt as his vp and then have Mitt go up against that “big brain” Biden in the debates. That would be hysterical.
cjs1943 on August 23, 2008 at 8:05 PM
Yeah I’ve gathered you are either a Donk pretending to be conservative, or one of those too cool for school types who thinks by sitting this one out you’re being a superior patriot.
I have a mother in law who voted for the little hand grenade from Texas back in ’92 because she was enamored with his charts, and had a mad-on for Bush for raising taxes. I warned her she was electing the most liberal man to hold the office since Carter and a man who’d have as much power as LBJ. She didn’t want to hear it, “I just don’t trust Bush anymore he raised taxes.”
Well that sure worked out for her in 1993 didn’t it?
I detest McCain on a lot of issues, had several people I’d rather see up there but in the end it is Juan McQueeg vs Obamarxist.
I’ll crawl on broken glass to keep the Obamessiah out of power.
sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Mrs. Clinton, you’d better put some ice on that.
jeff_from_mpls on August 23, 2008 at 8:23 PM
mo_gunslinger on August 23, 2008 at 7:52 PM
I think you are wrong. Everybody here is pretty high on Gov. Palin although it doesn’t seem like it on this thread. I think that now that we know that it is Biden, the specifics of who needs to be the foil is clearer. I am leaning toward Gov. Palin being a little young and inexperienced to go against a seasoned blowhard like Sen. Biden.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2008 at 8:25 PM
I’m almost turned on by the fact that Allah is “woozy.” That someone so talented and funny and not realize it and continue to be bitter and dispirited, but is now WOOZY is such a rush I almost feel like this could be the end of the world.
Maybe Obama is the anti-Christ?
Rightwingsparkle on August 23, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Well, it may be tough to find someone that is as seasoned as Biden. I do think that many of the Veep contenders will be able to do well. Biden has 30 years of votes and gaffes to defend.
Defensor Fortis
mo_gunslinger on August 23, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Hmmmm. I wonder if this is for real:
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/
funky chicken on August 23, 2008 at 8:35 PM
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Smarmy Joe Biden is a crazed lberal attack dog, and it will take a very good debater to match him in the Vice Presidential debates. Romney qualifies.
In addition, it is widely believed that while McCain’s strong point is foreign policy, he is deficient in economic knowledge. Romney has overwhelming depth of knoweldge and hard credentials in that area. In fact, he’s the only one of the four who have actually run a business, and done it brilliantly. He would also help to win Michigan, without which the Dems will be in deep doo doo.
He is not only the best Veep candidate, but the best to help govern as well. America, ie McCain, can’t do better..
steve007 on August 23, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Kristol’s being a jerk here. Dumb suggestion that’s just going to piss off Hillary voters…stop making fun of them, we need their votes.
funky chicken on August 23, 2008 at 8:49 PM
mo_gunslinger on August 23, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I am just plain giddy at Sen. Obama’s choice but there will be a debate and if you look at other threads the investigation she is under is certainly a drawback. The point I guess I was making is that I don’t think conservatives will have any problem voting for any good candidate regardless of race, gender or religion.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Obama/Biden ’08: The team everyone else favors
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on August 23, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Cindy, I hope that’s true. I would hate for us to not take advantage of some great talent out there. I do believe that sometime we are just going to have to take a chance. Thanks for the chat!
Defensor Fortis
mo_gunslinger on August 23, 2008 at 8:53 PM
You are profoundly lacking in the gathering department.
Well congratulations or condolences, whichever are in order. Sometimes it’s hard to tell.
Whatever floats your boat, I really doubt that will influence the election any, but have at it.
MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 8:53 PM
I’m still trying to think on a good veep for McCain.
McCain/Steele? Might be more interesting.
McCain/Hutchinson? Could swipe Hilbots.
Enoxo on August 23, 2008 at 8:54 PM
if you don’t vote, or you go third party you vote for the winner….
“Barr in ’08-because Barry O’bama is gonna nominate strict constructionists to the court”
sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 8:57 PM
MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 8:53 PM
You are THE enigma. I am guessing, and only guessing, that you are a conservative who cannot abide Senator McCain. And you don’t want anyone to try to talk you out of it so you are going to take equal opportunity shots at both sides.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2008 at 8:58 PM
CHAOS!
CP on August 23, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Heh. I’d vote Nader before Barr anyway. Nader is at least a guy who walks the walk.
funky chicken on August 23, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Did your mother-in-law tell you that? You should learn to think for yourself.
Your vision may not be quite 20/20, but it is pretty good anyway and you are a veritable Einstein in comparison to sven of the 10077 zip code.
MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 9:05 PM
I honestly have a hard time believing that.
What would it accomplish, other than putting the GOP in charge?
Is that what they really want?
BallisticBob on August 23, 2008 at 7:16 PM
I don’t know, there are plenty of people here who have been saying we need to ignore Mac and hope for something better in 2012, there may be dems saying the same thing about Baracky. Hillary will be back in 2012, perhaps they are thinking that four years of McCain will be enough to bring America over to HillBill.
Bishop on August 23, 2008 at 9:07 PM
She doesn’t want the 2nd seat. She needs to make it now, or run in 2012. He did her a favor. The Clintons are probably high-fiveing themselves for not having been considered. Not so much her adherents…
Entelechy on August 23, 2008 at 9:09 PM
MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Well I guess a backhanded compliment is better than none at all. Anyway, I don’t read you as the enemy but I think you have more to offer than insults that just p.o. people. But then again maybe that’s your goal. In that case, SCORE.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2008 at 9:10 PM
I’ll crawl on broken glass to keep the Obamessiah out of power.
sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 8:08 PM
I’m with ya, I’m not a huge fan of McCain but I like him enough and abhor Obama enough that I will take the plunge with Mac and go with the flow.
Bishop on August 23, 2008 at 9:10 PM
MB4:
No I told here that when she got buyer’s remorse from Clinton’s win. A lot of Republicans who were angry at Bush felt he’d win anyway.
Didn’t work out that way. This is America do as you will and we’ll all get to enjoy the results together. I can totally empathize with having trouble with Juan McQueeg.
I posted at length how much I detested him back at Ed’s old site. He co-authored the largest assault on the first amendment in my lifetime and crafted rules that have greatly empowered George Soros. I won’t even get started on Juan McAmnesty…..I’ll make 3500 word posts.
Nice guess on the 10077 but incorrect. You being a genius and all I’ll keep my humble intellect from conjecturing on anything other than your body of work. I’ve been lurking since the move from Captain’s Quarters and held my tongue because it was not until aroun the middle of june I made up my mind on Juan Queeg being by far the lesser enough an evil to vanquish the greater.
During July I was with my wife whilst she was home on R+R.
If you are reading emnity beyond a sadness you won’t help secure us from Barry “don’t be saying me middle name laddie” O’Bama I assure you there is not any there.
…………….
regards,
sven
sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 9:11 PM
It’ll never happen. It totally undercuts the “ready from day one” concept. If he can’t make a good choice for VP, what good choice can he make?
I don’t think Biden is a terrible choice. Biden can play good attack dog while Obama keeps up the hopenchange bullcrap and try and stay above the fray.
lorien1973 on August 23, 2008 at 9:12 PM
MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 9:15 PM
enh…maybe but I doubt it. Mr. Hopeychange runs the show after all and if allows Joe “Borrowed notes” Biden to give in fully to the darkside it will leave an unpalatable aftertaste in the moderates and undecided non-affiliated mouths.
We’ll see.
sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Only reason we got ‘strict constructionists’ out of W was we raised holy hell with Harry-rat Meyers; because he had some loyalty to his party, he deep sixed that and put up some real nominees. McCain is not going to respond to the base in a situation like that. He’s trying to marginalize the conservatives by building a center left constituency. Which means, if he sends up a suckwad pick, he’s not going to give a flying f**k if we raise hell or not. Given the presence of Juan Hernandez in his campaign, McCain is not real concerned with what voters have to say on issues he has his mind made up on. Byron York wrote about McCain and judges in last months National Review; he let John Kyl, the other Arizona senator (you know, the good one) pick the judges for the state courts. McCain didn’t have much interest in it.
So what does that add up to? Indifferent to what the base wants; not that interested in judges; I’d say your supreme court nominations under McCAin are going to be a crapshoot. We’ll be lucky if we get a good one. Go walk over some broken glass and see if that helps you get some good judges. I saw a guy do it on Venice Beach once. Gave him a dollar..which is more than I’d give to John McCain.
austinnelly on August 23, 2008 at 9:17 PM
The great bonus with Obama picking Biden is that the RNC can attack both with one commercial just by using Biden’s own words.
I hope that Biden eventually gets pressed why, after he said differently a scant year ago, Obama would be qualified to be POTUS today. It should be an interesting answer, if anyone can manage to stay awake long enough to hear it out.
Bishop on August 23, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Okey dokey.
MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 9:19 PM
MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Excellent, I will shut up happy.
Cindy Munford on August 23, 2008 at 9:23 PM
George Will’s question for McKoolaid drinkers -
“The more McCain talks — about wicked “speculators,” about how he reveres ANWR as much as the Grand Canyon, about adjusting the planet’s thermostat, etc. — the more conservatives cling to judicial nominees as a reason for supporting him. But now another portion of his signature legislation has been repudiated by the court as an affront to the First Amendment, and again Roberts and Alito have joined the repudiation. Yet McCain promises to nominate jurists like them. Is that believable?”
MB4 on August 23, 2008 at 9:23 PM
I like George. He looks a lot like my foster dad. Some chance of influence is better than no chance of influence.
sven10077 on August 23, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Barack Obama HUMILIATES Joe Biden on DAY 1 – UNBELIEVABLE
TheBigOldDog on August 23, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Back when the founding fathers wrote the Constitution, the number one guy {the President} was the guy who got the most votes…the Vice President was number 2. It took some time to get to either tickets or popular vote for president for that matter.
Terrye on August 23, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Who are you voting for?
TheBigOldDog on August 23, 2008 at 9:28 PM
At the debate Steele could say, “hey Joe i took a shower before i came to the debate today and I even used soap, so don’t worry you can shake my hand they are nice and clean!”
Chakra Hammer on August 23, 2008 at 9:30 PM
MB4:
George Will needs to stick to baseball.
Terrye on August 23, 2008 at 9:30 PM
I totally think that the VP should be on his own ticket. Like Texas. I think that’s the best way to go.
lorien1973 on August 23, 2008 at 9:31 PM
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